Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Sagna deserves every penny. Experienced, versatile defender who has stuck by us through our shit years unlike a conveyor belt of cunts that left.

Give him 100k. He could easily have left and got 150k 2 years ago.

Plus we've finally found a settled defence, the last thing we need is to disturb it. Sagna will not drop in performance as he gets older, he's not a dopey cunt.

[Munchies]

Oxo lifting weights at the training ground. Instragram video so can't embed it.

http://instagram.com/p/luaZEoOswK/#.

lol at Feo in the background

[Bumble]

Sagna deserves every penny. Experienced, versatile defender who has stuck by us through our shit years unlike a conveyor belt of cunts that left.

Give him 100k. He could easily have left and got 150k 2 years ago.

Plus we've finally found a settled defence, the last thing we need is to disturb it. Sagna will not drop in performance as he gets older, he's not a dopey cunt.

i think 90k and 2m signing on bonus would be reasonable for him. it would allow jenks to develop further and sagna is top notch right back. however if he does go then sign Coleman from Everton... he looks quality.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

100k per week is closer to exorbitant than fair, IMO, but sometimes a little flexibility has to be applied.

Anything over that, as some rags have reported (highly untrue then), and he instantly has to be seen as another Must Get Rid mercenary who needs to fuck off elsewhere.

[Power n Glory]

Nobody is trying to get rid of hi, are they? It's Sagna that is holding out for a big pay day. Another consequence of the scummy dopers like the chavs, gypos and comedy outfits on the continent. It's not enough to be struggle to compete with them on the pitch, you have to keep your players on planet earth too. Plainly Sagna has left orbit with his silly demands. IF THEY ARE TRUE. Who was it that was laughed at when he suggested the £100K pw contract was on the way? Now we see hopelessly hyped players like Rooney on £300K pw and even fullbacks want in on the 6 figures racket. This is part two of the great challenge. After almost a decade we can finally get some big players in. Now can we find a sane way to keep them? No point building financial stability at one end and then pissing it out the other on crazy wages. I was watching Draxler last night - £38mill, you must be having a laugh. Almost as big a laugh as £20mill for a right back at the tail end of his career. Somewhere there has to be a dose of sanity injected into this if we want to finish what we started.

This has nothing to do with Chelsea, City or the other super clubs that drive up wages. This is a result of our procrastination as always. We've let his contract run down and left the negotiations very late. Have we not seen this before with other players? It can't be a coincidence. Once again we have a player wondering why he hasn't been offered a new deal yet he's seen big contracts offered to Gibbs, Wilshere and Ramsey whilst he's been made to wait. Ramsey has signed two contracts in the time that Sagna has been waiting for an offer. Wenger has been weighing up whether he wants to keep him and that's the only conclusion I can draw from this situation. He's offered contracts to the young players even though there is no danger of them leaving but dragged his feet on this deal with Sagna. Even when he's finally come to the table he's offered him the same wages as he's currently on, if reports are true. 60K! He's been on those sort of wages since joining whilst new signings like Arteta, Podolski and Giroud are earning more than him even though he's been with the club longer.

This club needs to learn from past mistakes and stop rubbing players the wrong way when it's uncalled for. We've seen it with several players, including Theo and we can go as far back as Bergkamp with the rolling contract fiasco. One summer Bergkamp didn't even know if he had played his final game for Arsenal. That's pretty shabby.

Some fans are stuck in a loop when it comes to these sort of things, never learn from past mistakes and connect the dots. We culled experience from our squad way to early thinking the youth was the way only to learn that we needed the older players to guide them when things were rough. We're seeing the same sort of thing this season and your busy counting the clubs money as if we have a history of investing the money back into the squad. Around 2008, I heard the same sort of talk regarding Flamini and now the guy is back in our squad with everyone cheering him on. It's not wroth losing a valued player over this.

[Power n Glory]

i think 90k and 2m signing on bonus would be reasonable for him. it would allow jenks to develop further and sagna is top notch right back. however if he does go then sign Coleman from Everton... he looks quality.

I think he'd sign for 90k as well. That's what we usually pay our most senior players.

[Niall_Quinn]

This has nothing to do with Chelsea, City or the other super clubs that drive up wages. This is a result of our procrastination as always. We've let his contract run down and left the negotiations very late. Have we not seen this before with other players? It can't be a coincidence. Once again we have a player wondering why he hasn't been offered a new deal yet he's seen big contracts offered to Gibbs, Wilshere and Ramsey whilst he's been made to wait. Ramsey has signed two contracts in the time that Sagna has been waiting for an offer. Wenger has been weighing up whether he wants to keep him and that's the only conclusion I can draw from this situation. He's offered contracts to the young players even though there is no danger of them leaving but dragged his feet on this deal with Sagna. Even when he's finally come to the table he's offered him the same wages as he's currently on, if reports are true. 60K! He's been on those sort of wages since joining whilst new signings like Arteta, Podolski and Giroud are earning more than him even though he's been with the club longer.

This club needs to learn from past mistakes and stop rubbing players the wrong way when it's uncalled for. We've seen it with several players, including Theo and we can go as far back as Bergkamp with the rolling contract fiasco. One summer Bergkamp didn't even know if he had played his final game for Arsenal. That's pretty shabby.

Some fans are stuck in a loop when it comes to these sort of things, never learn from past mistakes and connect the dots. We culled experience from our squad way to early thinking the youth was the way only to learn that we needed the older players to guide them when things were rough. We're seeing the same sort of thing this season and your busy counting the clubs money as if we have a history of investing the money back into the squad. Around 2008, I heard the same sort of talk regarding Flamini and now the guy is back in our squad with everyone cheering him on. It's not wroth losing a valued player over this.

He's had an offer on the table for since last season hasn't he? That's what I recall. If Ramsey had decided not to sign then you couldn't say look, we are dragging our feet. Players will either accept the offer or they won't. Sagna has been saying no for a while. A negotiation is not simply accepting the demands of the other party, it's also about getting something equitable in return. It's completely fair to weight up Sagna's age in this. If we are going to pay through the nose then we'll be wanting 3 years at the top level in return. There's a high risk we won't get that and the money will be blown and an opportunity cost incurred as our options for shelling out on another RB will be limited. We need strikers, midfielders too. There's an urgent rush by many to put the blame 100% on Wenger in all these things. But I don't see it as at all unreasonable to be wary about meeting such high demands from a player approaching the end of his career. What's Wenger going to get if we cave and the Sagna fades out after a year? He'll be slated for spending a fortune on a crock.

[saintnickle]

Nobody is trying to get rid of hi, are they? It's Sagna that is holding out for a big pay day. Another consequence of the scummy dopers like the chavs, gypos and comedy outfits on the continent. It's not enough to be struggle to compete with them on the pitch, you have to keep your players on planet earth too. Plainly Sagna has left orbit with his silly demands. IF THEY ARE TRUE. Who was it that was laughed at when he suggested the £100K pw contract was on the way? Now we see hopelessly hyped players like Rooney on £300K pw and even fullbacks want in on the 6 figures racket. This is part two of the great challenge. After almost a decade we can finally get some big players in. Now can we find a sane way to keep them? No point building financial stability at one end and then pissing it out the other on crazy wages. I was watching Draxler last night - £38mill, you must be having a laugh. Almost as big a laugh as £20mill for a right back at the tail end of his career. Somewhere there has to be a dose of sanity injected into this if we want to finish what we started.

Are you happy for the manager to sign a new contract then for an extra £20k a week to take his wages to £155k ??Would you say that was keeping with the scummy dopers like the chavs gypos and comedy outfits??Or is that ok?

[Niall_Quinn]

This has nothing to do with Chelsea, City or the other super clubs that drive up wages.

And that's not even in the vicinity of being true. Of course the insane wages paid by the comedy clubs have skewed the whole market. Why is Rooney on 300K? because the chavs are after him and for them money is no object. Rooney isn't worth half that in sane terms but the inflation caused by the money no object model forces other clubs to meet outrageous demands if they want to keep their team together. The comedy clubs have placed all the power in the players' hands because it's no skin of their noses if wages demands are ludicrous. Unless FFP is actually applied of course and there are a few signs it might be. Then you'll see the wages coming down. This is a last hurrah for the greedy with a bit of luck.

[Niall_Quinn]

Are you happy for the manager to sign a new contract then for an extra £20k a week to take his wages to £155k ??Would you say that was keeping with the scummy dopers like the chavs gypos and comedy outfits??Or is that ok?

100% fine with that because so far the return on investment has been realised without missing a step.