Ozil - Do we need him?

[Özim]

I get the impression with Ozil that he needs to be in a team with leaders, he won't control games or make things happen when the chips are down, he's more of a luxury player who under the right manager with a more balanced team would excel. Some players are leaders, some need leading and he definitely falls into the latter, in a team like ours devoid, or leadership, hunger and confidence he's does very little.

There's no doubting his talent, but I think he's weak when faced with adversity, he's needs encouragement and someone to push him and tell him exactly what he should be doing and what role he has to get the best out of him, Wenger isn't the man, the man is tactically inept, doesn't give players a specific role and frankly just puts players where he feels like putting them without any real logic about it.

I reckon a better manager who is more tactically astute and drills players would get much better performances out of Ozil.

Our best players look distinctly average under the current setup, I think the need for fresh ideas and new blood is all too clear for everyone to see.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil didn’t provide one assist for Alexis in that partnership. It was always the other way around with Alexis setting up the majority of Ozil’s goals this season.

So what? It was a partnership nonetheless. It was working, or at least working in comparison to any of the rest of the shit we have seen this season. Le Bumbling Idiot had other ideas though and here we are, floundering with not a flicker of cohesion in this team. It takes a total fool to waste the players we have here, and we have the biggest fool of all in charge.

[Power n Glory]

It matters if we’re keeping this in context about what players he needs around him to be an effective playmaker. Giroud takes a lot of criticism for Ozil’s shortcomings but there hasn’t been a striker I’ve seen Ozil flourish with. Not Perez, not Sanchez, not Welbeck, not Walcott. But I’d put money on a playmaker like Cesc feeding way more goals to any of those players up front.

There is a discussion to be had about piss poor tactics, but something that can’t be coached is team chemistry or two or three players having that understanding. Players that anticipate each other’s moves and that’s something that should occur naturally other time in training. When we had Bergkamp and he dropped deep, just a glance would be enough to let others know to make that run and expect the ball to arrive inch perfect. Cesc was the same and he’d constantly be looking for a player like Theo to run and Theo would always anticipate the ball coming from Cesc. It was the same for all of the players around Cesc.

[Power n Glory]

I get the impression with Ozil that he needs to be in a team with leaders, he won't control games or make things happen when the chips are down, he's more of a luxury player who under the right manager with a more balanced team would excel. Some players are leaders, some need leading and he definitely falls into the latter, in a team like ours devoid, or leadership, hunger and confidence he's does very little.

There's no doubting his talent, but I think he's weak when faced with adversity, he's needs encouragement and someone to push him and tell him exactly what he should be doing and what role he has to get the best out of him, Wenger isn't the man, the man is tactically inept, doesn't give players a specific role and frankly just puts players where he feels like putting them without any real logic about it.

I reckon a better manager who is more tactically astute and drills players would get much better performances out of Ozil.

Our best players look distinctly average under the current setup, I think the need for fresh ideas and new blood is all too clear for everyone to see.

I think the same can be said for a lot of players in the club but because they didn’t come from Madrid and have a £43m price tag slapped on them, they’re not called ‘luxury’ players. Just shite!

Besides a slight difference to how often he loses the ball or plays a bad pass, you could probably swap Ozil for Jack Wilshire or Iwobi and have the same effect on our performances. Playing either wide or through the centre, they’d all have the same effect on our midfield except maybe Ozil having the better passing accuracy stats. His effect on the midfield has been minimal.

[Niall_Quinn]

It matters if we’re keeping this in context about what players he needs around him to be an effective playmaker. Giroud takes a lot of criticism for Ozil’s shortcomings but there hasn’t been a striker I’ve seen Ozil flourish with. Not Perez, not Sanchez, not Welbeck, not Walcott. But I’d put money on a playmaker like Cesc feeding way more goals to any of those players up front.

There is a discussion to be had about piss poor tactics, but something that can’t be coached is team chemistry or two or three players having that understanding. Players that anticipate each other’s moves and that’s something that should occur naturally other time in training. When we had Bergkamp and he dropped deep, just a glance would be enough to let others know to make that run and expect the ball to arrive inch perfect. Cesc was the same and he’d constantly be looking for a player like Theo to run and Theo would always anticipate the ball coming from Cesc. It was the same for all of the players around Cesc.

I'm not sure you have been watching us play. Drop deep and glance up for the runners? Are you kidding me? You could drop as deep as you wanted in this setup and grab your binoculars. All you'd see is the square ball. Nobody makes any runs. There are no players to hit. Nobody looks for the space in behind. Nobody plays with enough tempo to create that space in the first place. Nobody looks to beat a player, except Ox every now and again (and he gets benched for doing it). This is a one paced, unimaginative, plodding, sideways, negative shower of excrement manufactured by one man and one man alone. You can criticise Ozil all you want for not being able to transform a giant steaming turd into a gourmet serving, but without him we'd be even worse because we'd have one less player who can receive, hold and distribute a ball. Fabregas would fare no differently. Bergkamp would be a shocking waste in this team.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not sure you have been watching us play. Drop deep and glance up for the runners? Are you kidding me? You could drop as deep as you wanted in this setup and grab your binoculars. All you'd see is the square ball. Nobody makes any runs. There are no players to hit. Nobody looks for the space in behind. Nobody plays with enough tempo to create that space in the first place. Nobody looks to beat a player, except Ox every now and again (and he gets benched for doing it). This is a one paced, unimaginative, plodding, sideways, negative shower of excrement manufactured by one man and one man alone. You can criticise Ozil all you want for not being able to transform a giant steaming turd into a gourmet serving, but without him we'd be even worse because we'd have one less player who can receive, hold and distribute a ball. Fabregas would fare no differently. Bergkamp would be a shocking waste in this team.

Bollocks. I see Ramsey trying to hit a Hollywood pass every so often but missing the target by a wide mark. If it's widely accepted that Wenger doesn't micro manage his players, then I don't get why a few players haven't struck up an understanding like previous teams. Theo makes runs all game. That's all he looks to do. Alexis does whatever the fuck he wants to do. He doesn't play the tip tappy shite and that goes right against the claim that Wenger instructs them all to do the same thing.

Heck, I’ve even seen Song and RVP strike up some sort of understanding that players in this team lack. It doesn’t have to save the day every single game but Ozil should be coming up with the goods enough so I’m not constantly questioning his ability.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I'm not sure you have been watching us play. Drop deep and glance up for the runners? Are you kidding me? You could drop as deep as you wanted in this setup and grab your binoculars. All you'd see is the square ball. Nobody makes any runs. There are no players to hit. Nobody looks for the space in behind. Nobody plays with enough tempo to create that space in the first place. Nobody looks to beat a player, except Ox every now and again (and he gets benched for doing it). This is a one paced, unimaginative, plodding, sideways, negative shower of excrement manufactured by one man and one man alone. You can criticise Ozil all you want for not being able to transform a giant steaming turd into a gourmet serving, but without him we'd be even worse because we'd have one less player who can receive, hold and distribute a ball. Fabregas would fare no differently. Bergkamp would be a shocking waste in this team.

I mostly agree with this, except the only difference is that Cesc would at least shoot when the opportunity arises 9 times out of 10, whereas Ozil will look to pass instead.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bollocks. I see Ramsey trying to hit a Hollywood pass every so often but missing the target by a wide mark. If it's widely accepted that Wenger doesn't micro manage his players, then I don't get why a few players haven't struck up an understanding like previous teams. Theo makes runs all game. That's all he looks to do. Alexis does whatever the fuck he wants to do. He doesn't play the tip tappy shite and that goes right against the claim that Wenger instructs them all to do the same thing.

Heck, I’ve even seen Song and RVP strike up some sort of understanding that players in this team lack. It doesn’t have to save the day every single game but Ozil should be coming up with the goods enough so I’m not constantly questioning his ability.

That bit in bold is crazy. Theo runs to his defender all the time. And then he gets the ball with back to goal and lays it back. He consistently does the opposite of what he should be doing. I think even Wenger has got bored with him.

As for Ramsey, sure, he does the Roy of the Rovers stuff. For two reasons. One, because he routinely abandons his designated role. Two, because if he didn't get forward or provide some sort of outlet for Alexis and Ozil then nobody else is going to do it (assuming we have Ox playing as the fucking full back - OMFG, it's almost impossible to comprehend). Giroud's not going to do it, that's for sure.

[Power n Glory]

Cesc would shoot more, drop deep to try and play combinations or just look for the killer pass to win us the tie. He had far less to work with. Tactically, we had games where Eboue and Diaby were our wide players! Games where he had to play with an ageing Gilberto or a complete lazy shite in Denilson. Justin Hoyte used to play right back for us but I’d still see that team play with more style and purpose than this current lot. Fuck no would Cesc struggle in this team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cesc would shoot more, drop deep to try and play combinations or just look for the killer pass to win us the tie. He had far less to work with. Tactically, we had games where Eboue and Diaby were our wide players! Games where he had to play with an ageing Gilberto or a complete lazy shite in Denilson. Justin Hoyte used to play right back for us but I’d still see that team play with more style and purpose than this current lot. Fuck no would Cesc struggle in this team.

But you're jus confirming what I'm saying. When football was closer to what Wenger could cope with, his lesser teams could at least make a show of it. Now he's so out of his depth that nobody working with him could make a blind bit of difference over the course of the season. The last player we had who blew the league away, RvC, tried to do it on his own and ended up moving to Utd, where he showed it is possible to win it single handedly - provided Wenger is not involved. Give Wenger Messi and Ronaldo and it wouldn't make any difference. He'd play them in defence anyway.

You realise - this cocksucker is playing Ox in a back 5. This is where we are. I don't know why you are looking for the subtleties when we are a million miles away from the basics.