If DiMatteo Wins The Champions League (and FA Cup maybe)

[Ernesto]

I echo some of the opinions in the opening few posts of this thread. Not much can be accredited to Roberto Di Matteo's successes (if, indeed, he does prevail in the FA Cup and Champions League) when it's clear as day that the players are putting that much more effort in under him. Under AVB, they were embarrassing. This is what compels me to side with AVB over Di Matteo as a potential successor to Wenger. With a lack of egos at AFC, I'm sure AVB would do a good job here.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

you must be running out of material as you've had to re-use the same sh*t

Oh the Irony

[Özim]

The team - as it is and when the new manager came in required it - it has been a common thread of analysis by just about everyone and by far the greatest threat to Chelsea's future is the age of the squad. The squad was being overhauled by a Manager that I and many other suggest has a bright future.

And he was scuppered by a cabal of players who have little future other than a declining influence in the game.

That's your opinion, Milan won trophies with ageing players, there's a balance and Chelsea players aren't that old yet...again pure speculation.

The players know when their time is up, just look at Drogba, this theory you've concocted seems to be the basis of your whole argument but it's totally unproven.

AVB was brought in to win and play good football by whatever means, I doubt he was told get rid of all the older players or you won't win anything....some may have made way others may have stayed, the problem was his inability to man manage them.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I echo some of the opinions in the opening few posts of this thread. Not much can be accredited to Roberto Di Matteo's successes (if, indeed, he does prevail in the FA Cup and Champions League) when it's clear as day that the players are putting that much more effort in under him. Under AVB, they were embarrassing. This is what compels me to side with AVB over Di Matteo as a potential successor to Wenger. With a lack of egos at AFC, I'm sure AVB would do a good job here.

Pretty much, I mean its not like he got a year or 2 to make here stamp on the team if he did then id see peoples points about him not being good deserving to be sacked etc.

Di maeto did not bring in no new players he was the Assistant manager to AVB was he not so he knew the players anyway and they probs took a liking to him more then AVB anyway being a chelsea Legend.

[Özim]

I echo some of the opinions in the opening few posts of this thread. Not much can be accredited to Roberto Di Matteo's successes (if, indeed, he does prevail in the FA Cup and Champions League) when it's clear as day that the players are putting that much more effort in under him. Under AVB, they were embarrassing. This is what compels me to side with AVB over Di Matteo as a potential successor to Wenger. With a lack of egos at AFC, I'm sure AVB would do a good job here.

Getting a bunch of players to play as a team is a skill, Chelsea look very united at the moment and let's not forget Di Matteo did a decent job at WBA too.

He can't take all the credit as he didn't build the team (neither did AVB incidentally) but he's doing a much better job than Villa Boas ever did...they were a car crash with him and getting beaten by all and sundry.

I personally don't rate him that highly as he's still relatively unproven.

[Özim]

Pretty much, I mean its not like he got a year or 2 to make here stamp on the team if he did then id see peoples points about him not being good deserving to be sacked etc.

Di maeto did not bring in no new players he was the Assistant manager to AVB was he not so he knew the players anyway and they probs took a liking to him more then AVB anyway being a chelsea Legend.

AVB only had a few months in the job, he signed a few but had some disastrous results, this wasn't even his squad bar a few players. A few months isn't enough to take the credit for building a new team.

Some managers can get the best out of any group of players some can't he couldn't that's a fact, at least Di Matteo has shown he can do that.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That's your opinion, Milan won trophies with ageing players, there's a balance and Chelsea players aren't that old yet...again pure speculation.

The players know when their time is up, just look at Drogba, this theory you've concocted seems to be the basis of your whole argument but it's totally unproven.

AVB was brought in to win and play good football by whatever means, I doubt he was told get rid of all the older players or you won't win anything....some may have made way others may have stayed, the problem was his inability to man manage them.

It isn't a concocted theory by me - it has been a common topic of discussion throughout football since his appointment!

And the problems have been with JT and his cabal - it permeated about 90% of any discussion and articles written about Chelsea!

[Ernesto]

Pretty much, I mean its not like he got a year or 2 to make here stamp on the team if he did then id see peoples points about him not being good deserving to be sacked etc.

Di maeto did not bring in no new players he was the Assistant manager to AVB was he not so he knew the players anyway and they probs took a liking to him more then AVB anyway being a chelsea Legend.

I think you have that bit between your teeth when you have that second bite of the cherry, too. (One too many dental analogies, there!) Unless, of course, you're Ranieri or Benitez, where you stink up every club you're appointed to!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Again you don't know he was there to "refresh" the team, I believe he was there to win and play pretty football and do it by whatever means...that doesn't necessarily mean getting rid of older players.

We have all wondered about the situation regarding transfers now AVB is in charge. Reports were that he had 100% say on all comings and goings at the club. Well today, in his press conference ahead of the game tomorrow, AVB has confirmed that isn't the case.

We have been heavily linked with Genk's exciting winger Kevin De Bruyne for the last few seasons and things have come to a head this week with reports that a deal would be agreed between the two clubs for him to sign for Chelsea and be loaned straight back to Genk to finish the Belgian season.

AVB has stressed today that KDB will be a one for the club and not necessarily one of his own personal targets. He said:


'He is a player that the club has scouted for quite some time, and was interested in for quite some time. I am a manager who respects club policies as well and when the club has to plan for the future, being with this manager and any other manager, I think Kevin is an extremely interesting player and is a good bet if the club finishes the situation.
Interesting comments from AVB again. I understand the situation with the club wanting to invest in younger players and to build for the future. Surely though, the Manager should have the final say whether or not someone comes in or doesn't?.

If we do sign KDB then AVB will have to integrate him into his plans for next season whether he wanted to or not which seems wrong to me.

If you are to have confidence in the person your believe is the right man to take the club forward, then surely you need to give him total control of HIS squad.

Is it just me or am I wrong on this? Like I said, I understand the club wanting to build for the future, but my view is that it must be in accordance with the manager and the players HE WANTS?

http://www.chelseadaft.org/2012/01/k...g-and-not.html

AVB was bought for the future and told to get rid of the old boys soon as he tried to do it he was sacked. Chelsea were never going to win the league this year who ever was in chanrge and they knew it, but as they said this season was a transistional one for them hence why AVB was boiught in so he had a couple of years to build a team.

[GP]

It isn't a concocted theory by me - it has been a common topic of discussion throughout football since his appointment!

And the problems have been with JT and his cabal - it permeated about 90% of any discussion and articles written about Chelsea!