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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooner23 View Post
    Iwobi yes, but Walcott plays higher up looking to make runs in between full back and centre back
    Isn't that an example of Walcott coming infield but higher to play more like a wide forward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    You say that as if he's first touch has ever been good, it hasn't

    Ramsey has always needed a touch or two to bring a ball under control, you don't get that time at the highest level

    Liverpool are doing well at the moment (in an attacking sense anyway, they have no chance of winning the title because you just cannot defend like they do and win) because one thing Klopp has done well with them is getting them to do one touch passing....something Ramsey is totally incapable of.
    It had to be decent for him to survive this long in the team and have that one great season. I know what you mean about his touch being heavy and sloppy at times but I think it's a case of inconsistency and confidence. But saying that, I have no patience for it. If he gets his chance in the first team and keeps screwing up, I'll be happy to see him shipped out.

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    No it's not inconsistent at all, he can't trap a ball. He needs a few touches to get his bearings and sometimes he has been fortunate enough to get away with it.

    Mate of mine is even harsher on Ramsey thinks he cannot read the game at all, and thinks he is a league one player. Now I think that's silly, but he has no pace, his first touch is non existent, his tackling is inconsistent as is his passing and he is often someone who puts team mates into trouble.

    I do think what goes for him is that he puts himself about, he covers a lot of ground and is prepared to take on goal scoring half chances more than most other midfielders. He is reasonably OK in certain technical aspects, his crossing is reasonably good and he can dribble reasonably well.

    He is a confidence player who goes through good spells and is capable of scoring goals that distinctly average players cannot. Looking at his repertoire there are some absolute screamers and world class strikes in there.

    But a squad player not someone who can or should ever command a first team place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooner23 View Post
    I don't really agree that Ramsey is best placed there, but my point was more about having two wide players coming infield.
    But that's my point, the system is set up to be fluid. So while Iwobi, Feo and Alexis has worked the best so far and should continue to, form dips will occur for a young player like Iwobi, injuries to Feo (as always) and so we need other options if Perez is out too and no Welbeck. Ramsey offers a lot there and a lot of teams employ a player that sticks wide on one side and a player that comes inside on the other if needs be. Mane or Coutinho aren't really wide players at heart. Nor is Eriksen or Son for the Spuds. Rashford out wide Utd. Hazard and Pedro like to come in a lot for Chelsea. Feo does the same when Alex drops off. All moving in and out of positions to keep the opposition on their toes. Ramsey's role shouldn't and isn't solely about hugging the touch line.

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    Ease of the Ramsey abuse guys: it was his first game back starting and he didn't look any worse than Iwobi has in any of his recent games (he's dipped after a strong start). I know it's a tendency of the Arsenal fanbase to suddenly pick on one guy to abuse (it was Coquelin at the start of the season) but come on now.

    Like it or not, it's about balance in the wide positions. We go with one explosive dribbler on one side (Ox/Theo/Alexis) and a more silky playmaker in the other position which will probably be a battle between Iwobi and Ramsey. It's something that's worked well for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico View Post
    Ease of the Ramsey abuse guys: it was his first game back starting and he didn't look any worse than Iwobi has in any of his recent games (he's dipped after a strong start). I know it's a tendency of the Arsenal fanbase to suddenly pick on one guy to abuse (it was Coquelin at the start of the season) but come on now.

    Like it or not, it's about balance in the wide positions. We go with one explosive dribbler on one side (Ox/Theo/Alexis) and a more silky playmaker in the other position which will probably be a battle between Iwobi and Ramsey. It's something that's worked well for us.
    It's not even me this. Not a fan of his but I'm trying to defend him.

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    Brass tacks, the reason Ramsey gets played or more importantly shoe horned there is because we can no longer play him in a deeper role in the middle

    Like I said previously his crossing isn't bad, and sometimes he is there to receive a decent pass wide, but to play on the wing you need a decent first touch and you need pace and Ramsey has neither.

    Many of our attacks came down the left because we had no speed merchants on the right last night

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    If my maths are right that's W12 D3 L1 so far this season.



    Wenger out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    If my maths are right that's W12 D3 L1 so far this season.



    Wenger out!
    Spurs' last 6 are DDDLDL

    Just saying.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    No idea why some think people they'll roll us over at the weekend.
    They're a good side and I can see it going either way but we're a good side too.
    FOYS.

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