A fallacy quashed?

[budesonide]

bloody hell -- i give up!

people are still chiming in with the 'poor arsene' schtick?

mourihno,guardiola,ferguson etc SPEND THE FUC*KING THE MONEY they have OR DEMAND THE MONEY to make sure they deliver! And if they fail they FACE THE MUSIC.

They don't WILLINGLY REFUSE TO SPEND AND SAY "I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING; JUDGE ME IN MAY" and then come may, try to redefine success!

If wenger, as a football manager cannot SPEND money he has been told he can if he wants to, then that is NOT A CHARACTER FLAW; it is gross incompetence and at best serious negligence of duty!

He is paid 6 fuc*king million a year!

Once again:

‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

[Fist of Lehmann]

Don't forget to breathe my friend.

[AKBapologist]

Quite an impressive melt down there budesonide.

[Coney]

bloody hell -- i give up!

people are still chiming in with the 'poor arsene' schtick?

mourihno,guardiola,ferguson etc SPEND THE FUC*KING THE MONEY they have OR DEMAND THE MONEY to make sure they deliver! And if they fail they FACE THE MUSIC.

They don't WILLINGLY REFUSE TO SPEND AND SAY "I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING; JUDGE ME IN MAY" and then come may, try to redefine success!

If wenger, as a football manager cannot SPEND money he has been told he can if he wants to, then that is NOT A CHARACTER FLAW; it is gross incompetence and at best serious negligence of duty!

He is paid 6 fuc*king million a year!

Once again:

‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

So you are not certain that Wenger is right then?

[budesonide]

Quite an impressive melt down there budesonide.

[GP]

You've gone mental.

[budesonide]

You've gone mental.

that was tongue-in-cheek my dear friend


:sarcasm:

[Darth Vela]

Fwiw, the reason we embarked on this youth based course was down to the lack of money we knew we'd have whilst paying off the debt, so this entire situation is ultimately down to the spending of those around us and our lack of financial muscle, even if it isn't the only reason.

Way I look at it, either this sustainable way of doing things is possible and it's Wengers inability to coach that's at fault, I'm talking his inability to get the right team mentality in here, not purely on his inability to coach purely defence, which given we went through a period of being rather solid at the back before Szczesny got injured and the usual collapse started is usually overstated, this is where I reckon the fault lays. Or the other option is that this way is simply not possible and we must outlay larger sums and an ever-increasing wage budget on players whilst hoping that we hit more often than flop in order to keep an even financial keel, I really don't buy this as we have the required talent at the club imo, lacking a little experience which is what spending the big cash would get us. It's what the money's spent on rather than how much is spent in the long run.

Also, making statments like 'Wenger said to judge him in May and now he's redefining success' make you look at the very least a little boneheaded given Wenger has said many times that we've failed and that it's entirely his fault, he's taken the judgement on the chin and is trying to rectify things, not the way statements like that make it appear.

[budesonide]

Also, making statments like 'Wenger said to judge him in May and now he's redefining success' make you look at the very least a little boneheaded given Wenger has said many times that we've failed and that it's entirely his fault, he's taken the judgement on the chin and is trying to rectify things, not the way statements like that make it appear.

How are they meant to appear? When season upon season we've gone into start seasons with the same flaws unrectified and the same collapses occurring?

At any other top club wenger will be out of job before he would have had the chance to say "many times that we've failed and that it's entirely his fault, he's taken the judgement on the chin and is trying to rectify things".

I am not the bonehead here --- making excuses for repeated failure stemming from the same mistakes is what is boneheaded.

[Darth Vela]

Wenger said he was wrong, admitted he made mistakes and that the lack of trophies was his fault, that directly contradicts the idea of a man redefining success, it makes him appear to be oblivious to any failure on our part whereas he's more acutely aware than most about it imo.

Apologies for using a rather pejorative term but not seeing that conflict is at the very least short-sighted, maybe not boneheaded.

The rest of the post is pretty irrelevant given what other clubs do when they're in different situations doesn't really make a blind bit of difference to us.