Match Reaction vs Everton (away).

[Niall_Quinn]

I agree and I think based on yesterday's performances from them Wenger should take the hit and keep both of them until the summer and then lose them both on a free.

Make no mistake, without those two performing at the level they did yesterday we are a very average side, Iwobi and Welbeck are no replacements for these guys, if we want to replace them properly then it's going to take big money, no "projects" or "internal solutions".

I accept that this performance was against a woeful Everton team but Sanchez and to a lesser extent Ozil have proved what they are capable of when they up their game.

Everyone is saying Everton were woeful, didn't look up for it, were a mess tactically, were second best at everything. It's odd, because that's usually us. Worse than average. But you'd never know it to listen to the Wenger brigade this morning. Arsene FC, Founded 22 Oct 2017. If only they could reset Ozil's and Alexis' contracts in the same way they reset the clock on Wenger's history. BUT, mathematically, based on where we collapse to every season, we are above average. Nice one Wenger!

Meanwhile, our internal solution is gearing up to part the Red Sea. Jack's back! The man to lead us to the promised land. Fans are buying this, almost like they were born yesterday.

[Niall_Quinn]

3rd and the FA Cup
2nd
5th and the FA Cup.

Average
Awful manager

Bloody awful manager. As we saw again yesterday.

[selassie]

Agreed on all counts. But if we had an "average" squad and an "awful" manager, as Zim maintains, then we wouldn't be finishing anywhere near the top 4.

I'm not going to get involved with yours and Zim's personal beef...but I do see where you are both coming from and I'm not sitting on the fence either!

We have an above average squad/team and Wenger in the grand scheme of things is an above average manager but IMO we should be aiming a lot higher both in terms of the quality of our manager and the make up of our team. We all know this. We know what we are going to get from both the manager and team and given our resources our performances are average. We should be challenging for the title every single season, there is no two ways about it.

[Letters]

We have an above average squad/team and Wenger in the grand scheme of things is an above average manager but IMO we should be aiming a lot higher both in terms of the quality of our manager and the make up of our team. We all know this. We know what we are going to get from both the manager and team and given our resources our performances are average. We should be challenging for the title every single season, there is no two ways about it.

Agreed. And that is a more sensible viewpoint than Zim's nonsense hyperbole.
We SHOULD be challenging for the title every year although it's worth remembering that it's only Wenger's time with us which has created that expectation level - read Fever Pitch for more details.
This is the Wenger Paradox as I will keep calling it till it catches on. He is the reason we have this expectation level to challenge for titles and also the reason we don't.

[Letters]

Bloody awful manager. As we saw again yesterday.

Yeah. I wish we had a genius like Klopp

[Özim]

Agreed on all counts. But if we had an "average" squad and an "awful" manager, as Zim maintains, then we wouldn't be finishing anywhere near the top 4.

The manager is awful, dress it up anyway you like but there's a reason we are where we are and that we have regressed despite the huge resources, stability that no other club has had and all the resources to succeed, his decisions, his tactics, his signings, his failure to accept the important of leadership, the fact he plays players in the wrong positions, doesn't allow proper coaching, make poor subsitutions and picks inappropriate lineups, his failure to deal with contracts and the list goes on.

Not the suqads fault it's not all that great, it's the managers insistence on not wanting to do the logical thing like most other manager does. Other managers take risks, this can mean you end up higher up one seasona and lower the next, Wenger changes next to nothing, so this allows him to maintain a similar level but not for us to progress.

He's averse to risk and this creates stability, but for the fans he delivers some of the worst entertainment pound for pound. I'd take coming 8th in a season if it meant we went into a new season with unpredictablity and hope it could be different or perhaps that we might have an exciting sumer chasing and signing some decent players, or even if it meant we produced some glorious performances where we wipe the floor with the opposition, rather than this almost constant level where games are broing 99% of the time and performances produced are the bare minimum to get a result.

Yes we in games, but most of the time there's very little pleasure to be had from these wins because in the end we're unconvincing and deliver a substandard experience. The self proclaimed entertainer has forgotten what entertainment actually is but still thinks he delivers it by the bucketful, it's frankly embarassing, as is the way he just sweeps regular humiliations under the carpet like they never happened.

[Özim]

Agreed. And that is a more sensible viewpoint than Zim's nonsense hyperbole.
We SHOULD be challenging for the title every year although it's worth remembering that it's only Wenger's time with us which has created that expectation level - read Fever Pitch for more details.
This is the Wenger Paradox as I will keep calling it till it catches on. He is the reason we have this expectation level to challenge for titles and also the reason we don't.

No Wenger's time with us has us expecting to come 4th and crash out of the CL at the last 16 every year, absolutely noone expects us to win those things. We use to win more before he arrived in fact.

What has made our expectations higher is the prices of tickets, the fact we built a new stadium and were promised a world class team to compete with the best. Wenger neither invested his own money nor raised our expectations, the amount of money we charge and have did, historically we're one of the biggest clubs in England and logically that means people expect success, just like they did at Man U before the won the title in the 90s.

You love to hype up Wenger, but he's really not the reason at all, the guy is getting a huge salary from what he's doing, which is also something he enjoys, he's not some selfless saint who we should bow to, the guy has done very well out of this and it's suited him to stay in the job, he doesn't care what the fans say or think in the slightest and if anything tries to dampen expectations by saying coming 4th is a good season.

[Power n Glory]

What you fail to add in is any context, in none of those seasons have we been anywhere near the title, in addition other teams imploding were more of a factor than our great performances for us to end up in those positions.

So you're spot on with the comment about our mediocrity.

God knows why you entertain this conversation. Letters is lost.

[Özim]

God knows why you entertain this conversation. Letters is lost.

You make a good point

[selassie]

Everyone is saying Everton were woeful, didn't look up for it, were a mess tactically, were second best at everything. It's odd, because that's usually us. Worse than average. But you'd never know it to listen to the Wenger brigade this morning. Arsene FC, Founded 22 Oct 2017. If only they could reset Ozil's and Alexis' contracts in the same way they reset the clock on Wenger's history. BUT, mathematically, based on where we collapse to every season, we are above average. Nice one Wenger!

Meanwhile, our internal solution is gearing up to part the Red Sea. Jack's back! The man to lead us to the promised land. Fans are buying this, almost like they were born yesterday.

You know my thoughts on Wenger and his mismanagement of the team over the past what 5 or 6 seasons.

I won't him gone and I want the slate wiped clean!