Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:gp:

The pel or the miss thereafter is not the issue. The issue is how you can let go off a two goal lead at home against Fulham!

Top post, but we all know even had we scored that goal, it be papers over the cracks. A good 3 points none the less.

End of the day Wenger has to spend money in Jan, even he can see that. Because we have been woeful against teams we should be beating. End of the day we are not assured of top 4 and no spending we won't be there. which is why he will.

Grant Fucking Holt FFS.

These days i stopped worrying about perfornmances, just worry about results.

[Xhaka Can’t]

In 1992-93 and 1994-95 we had 17 points after 11 games in both seasons and we finished 10th and 12th respectively.

fuck

92/93 :cloud9:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

not sure if this is good or bad

Mannone made eight saves in one game against Fulham, only two Arsenal keepers have made more in a single PL game since 2006.

For Mannone it is.

[Marc Overmars]

more depressing stats

Arsenal's last 8 PL games at the Emirates

Won 2, Drawn 4 Lost 2.

Opposition: Chelsea x2, QPR, Sunderland, Norwich, Fulham, Saints & Wigan

It's very worrying because it was only 2-3 years ago we'd blast all those sides at home no question (except Chelsea). If you're not strong at home you can't expect to achieve much.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

apparently giroud said he wanted to take the penalty and was 100% confident in getting his hattrick but arteta insisted on atoning for his earlier penalty giveaway

well done mikel, well done.

[Niall_Quinn]

apparently giroud said he wanted to take the penalty and was 100% confident in getting his hattrick but arteta insisted on atoning for his earlier penalty giveaway

well done mikel, well done.

Giroud could easily beat Arteta up so I'm not sure I believe this story.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

apparently giroud said he wanted to take the penalty and was 100% confident in getting his hattrick but arteta insisted on atoning for his earlier penalty giveaway

well done mikel, well done.

So much for him being a bottler.

[Ollie the Optimist]

apparently giroud said he wanted to take the penalty and was 100% confident in getting his hattrick but arteta insisted on atoning for his earlier penalty giveaway

well done mikel, well done.

i heard that too. so not only do we have a leader who wants to take responibilty and stand up and be coutned, we have a striker who didnt bottle it.

zimm has had a shocker

[Olivier's xmas twist]

i heard that too. so not only do we have a leader who wants to take responibilty and stand up and be coutned, we have a striker who didnt bottle it.

zimm has had a shocker

:gp:

[Cripps_orig]

If true then Arteta :doh:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

on top of that aguero, who has an inferior record at man city compared to tevez, is apparently still 'far superior' to tevez

zimm :haha:

i remember the days when he used to be an innocent soul :rose:

lets remember this day as remembrance zimmday :rose:

wengeritis well and truly got him :rose:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

on top of that aguero, who has an inferior record at man city compared to tevez, is apparently still 'far superior' to tevez

zimm :haha:

i remember the days when he used to be an innocent soul :rose:

lets remember this day as remembrance zimmday :rose:

wengeritis well and truly got him :rose:

:gp:

[Niall_Quinn]

What happened to the Wenger pre-assigned penalty taker thing? And if this new twist is true, whereas I hadn't blamed Arteta before - I do now. That was Giroud's pen 100%

[Cripps_orig]

Did anyone really believe the pre-assigned pen taker crap? Really?

If that was true, he'd have made sure Henry taken all of our penalties but we all know Henry never took penalties that he won for whatever reason.

Wenger has always let the players sort it out themselves

[Niall_Quinn]

Did anyone really believe the pre-assigned pen taker crap? Really?

If that was true, he'd have made sure Henry taken all of our penalties but we all know Henry never took penalties that he won for whatever reason.

Wenger has always let the players sort it out themselves

Yes, I believe it because Wenger confirms it.


Cazorla is second on the list, the No 1 is Arteta. If he doesn't take it it's Cazorla, or if Arteta wants to leave it to Cazorla. Cazorla wanted to take the ball. Arteta is No 1 on the priority.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-we-have-shown-that-we-can-fight-

[Cripps_orig]

Yes, I believe it because Wenger confirms it.

Forgot you believe everything Wenger says

Even the "Theo isnt after the money" comment.....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

NQ vs Ach :popcorn:

You know your guranteed some entertainment.

[Niall_Quinn]

Forgot you believe everything Wenger says

Even the "Theo isnt after the money" comment.....

Because these two things are very similar - a protracted contract negotiation and a list of penalty takers.

[Cripps_orig]

Because these two things are very similar - a protracted contract negotiation and a list of penalty takers.

Its what Wenger said and you believe everything he says regardless of what its about.

For you he can do and say no wrong.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Its what Wenger said and you believe everything he says regardless of what its about.

For you he can do and say no wrong.

So you don't read NQ's post's cause they'd suggest diffrent.

[Niall_Quinn]

Its what Wenger said and you believe everything he says regardless of what its about.

For you he can do and say no wrong.

No, that's not what I believe, that's what you say I believe. Two totally different things. Consider a similar scenario. Wenger is asked, "Is your name Arsene Wenger?" - he truthfully answers yes because what's the point trying to lie about it? As with the list of penalty takers, it would be stupid and pointless to lie about something so trivial. Then if you ask him, "Is Stan Kroenke a heinous, rotten, shitbag **** who is destroying the club and football in general with his ****ish, greedy, fucked-up anti-football giant sucking leech routine?", Wenger may say no, Stan is a good guy. I wonder why? Maybe for the same reason as he wouldn't call Walcott a greedy **** right in the middle of a contract negotiation. There's a danger calling Walcott an avaricious, selfish, ungrateful, disloyal piece of overrated shit would sour the negotiations somewhat. So he probably wouldn't do that. Can you see the subtle difference between the trivial and the complex?

[Cripps_orig]

So you don't read NQ's post's cause they'd suggest diffrent.

Pretty much stopped reading them a while back especially the long ass no paragraph ones

I flick through the Theo ones for a laugh as hes so woefully wrong that all we can do is laugh

[Cripps_orig]

No, that's not what I believe, that's what you say I believe. Two totally different things. Consider a similar scenario. Wenger is asked, "Is your name Arsene Wenger?" - he truthfully answers yes because what's the point trying to lie about it? As with the list of penalty takers, it would be stupid and pointless to lie about something so trivial. Then if you ask him, "Is Stan Kroenke a heinous, rotten, shitbag **** who is destroying the club and football in general with his ****ish, greedy, fucked-up anti-football giant sucking leech routine?", Wenger may say no, Stan is a good guy. I wonder why? Maybe for the same reason as he wouldn't call Walcott a greedy **** right in the middle of a contract negotiation. There's a danger calling Walcott an avaricious, selfish, ungrateful, disloyal piece of overrated shit would sour the negotiations somewhat. So he probably wouldn't do that. Can you see the subtle difference between the trivial and the complex?
Actions speak louder than words my friend

To you, Wenger is god. Fair enough.

[Niall_Quinn]

Actions speak louder than words my friend

To you, Wenger is god. Fair enough.

Do you actually need me in this conversation?

[Cripps_orig]

Do you actually need me in this conversation?

Just read your post above calling Kroenke whatever it is you did.

Would you ever call Wenger that fully knowing hes the one mainly responsible for where we are?

[Niall_Quinn]

Just read your post above calling Kroenke whatever it is you did.

Would you ever call Wenger that fully knowing hes the one mainly responsible for where we are?

No, because Wenger is mainly responsible for where we are, despite the shareholders.

[Power n Glory]

No, because Wenger is mainly responsible for where we are, despite the shareholders.

You have slightly changed your position on this, NQ. I remember you once holding Wenger and the Board responsible. Surely you can see that his tactics aren't helping matters? As for off the pitch stuff, it's not as if he's not involved. Example, RVP said he sat and had a meeting with both Wenger and Gazidis and wasn't happy with what either of them said about the future of the club. He's just as bad as the Gazidis, PHW and co.

[Niall_Quinn]

You have slightly changed your position on this, NQ. I remember you once holding Wenger and the Board responsible. Surely you can see that his tactics aren't helping matters? As for off the pitch stuff, it's not as if he's not involved. Example, RVP said he sat and had a meeting with both Wenger and Gazidis and wasn't happy with what either of them said about the future of the club. He's just as bad as the Gazidis, PHW and co.

I haven't changed, I still think Wenger is responsible for where we are. 4th place when we could have been higher on several occasions. But 4th nonetheless when those bastards in the boardroom have done everything to sink us, albeit as a probably unintentional byproduct of their greed. We'll be 4th place this season too, by whatever miracle or fluke can be conjured up again.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

It would be uuterly naïve of anyone to actually believe that Wenger is any less powerful than any Board member (interviewed and ok'd the hiring of his boss, Gazidis for example) or club exec, or that he's any less culpable for the shit we've become.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

It would be uuterly naïve of anyone to actually believe that Wenger is any less powerful than any Board member (interviewed and ok'd the hiring of his boss, Gazidis for example) or club exec, or that he's any less culpable for the shit we've become.

http://i43.tinypic.com/15rntp3.jpg

[Özil's Panoramic View]

http://i43.tinypic.com/15rntp3.jpg

Pretty much

[Niall_Quinn]

It would be uuterly naïve of anyone to actually believe that Wenger is any less powerful than any Board member (interviewed and ok'd the hiring of his boss, Gazidis for example) or club exec, or that he's any less culpable for the shit we've become.

I'm not sure where the naivete comes into it. When there's half a billion on the table don't tell me Wenger has the deciding vote or even a significant say in the matter. On football, sure, and why not because none of the ****s in the backroom seem to know the first thing about that anyway. But on the finances? Not a chance. Businessmen don't make huge investments so they can be dictated to by the staff.

[Cripps_orig]

Wenger chose his own boss

Id say he has a say

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://i43.tinypic.com/15rntp3.jpg

Oh Charlie you done it my boy.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

I'm not sure where the naivete comes into it. When there's half a billion on the table don't tell me Wenger has the deciding vote or even a significant say in the matter. On football, sure, and why not because none of the ****s in the backroom seem to know the first thing about that anyway. But on the finances? Not a chance. Businessmen don't make huge investments so they can be dictated to by the staff.

End of the day, he's still a **** that needs to leave, along with the greedy profit gourging hogs that have had their snouts deeply entrenched in the cash augmented troughs, continuously replenished via off-loading our quality players.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger chose his own boss

Id say he has a say

How is this supposed to demonstrate Wenger has control of the club? Why did he kick his mate Dein out then? What did he have against Lady Nina Bridleface? Why didn't he smack PHW around for his comments about the new owner he (Wenger) brought in? Why didn't he take a cut of the £500mill when it was divvied up? In fact why didn't he just take the lot and fuck the others out on their ear? He's the manager of the football club, why is it odd he is consulted on major issues that will affect his job directly? But this is a long way from having control of the club. Kroenke has control because he paid for it. Not sure why this is even in dispute. It's just a business reality. Kroenke may be a **** but he won't be a stupid ****.

[Niall_Quinn]

End of the day, he's still a **** that needs to leave, along with the greedy profit gourging hogs that have had their snouts deeply entrenched in the cash augmented troughs, continuously replenished via off-loading our quality players.

Well that's a different matter and, in the case of Wenger, not connected to who runs the club. I don't think some people appreciate how fucked we are. We aren't getting anyone bar a yes man at this club for some time to come because Kroenke is plainly not in this for anything beyond the profit. And to get that profit it will be his plan that unfolds - unless he manages to find somebody that can make him even more profit. Is there another manager in the business that can make more profit than Wenger? That's why he remains at Arsenal regardless of the results. What other reason could there be?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Well that's a different matter and, in the case of Wenger, not connected to who runs the club. I don't think some people appreciate how fucked we are. We aren't getting anyone bar a yes man at this club for some time to come because Kroenke is plainly not in this for anything beyond the profit. And to get that profit it will be his plan that unfolds - unless he manages to find somebody that can make him even more profit. Is there another manager in the business that can make more profit than Wenger? That's why he remains at Arsenal regardless of the results. What other reason could there be?

As long as the yes man does better than Wenger, I'll be ok. Wenger likes to moan about us not being able to compete with the 2 cash splurgers, Citeh and Chavs, but we aren't exactly steamrolling the pubbers, whom we happen to far supercede where resources are concerned, right?

I don't think I need to highlight his shortcomings and indiscretions to support why I think he's a spent force, as they've been flogged half to death on here countless amount of times.

[fakeyank]

I'm not sure where the naivete comes into it. When there's half a billion on the table don't tell me Wenger has the deciding vote or even a significant say in the matter. On football, sure, and why not because none of the ****s in the backroom seem to know the first thing about that anyway. But on the finances? Not a chance. Businessmen don't make huge investments so they can be dictated to by the staff.

So why doesnt he quit? When a board member is a greedy c*nt, thats normal coz thats what board members, CEO's are... they think money all day every day. Unfortunately we have a football manager who is as bad as them and is working with the greedy sharks to bring us down. If I had a gun with two shots in it with AW and a board member in the room, I will shoot AW twice!

[V-Pig]

If I had a gun with two shots in it with AW and a board member in the room, I will shoot AW twice!
.

[Power n Glory]

Two shots is a good way for Wenger to go. If it were me and PHW was in that room with him, that sonuvabitch is getting gun butted to death! :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Actions speak louder than words my friend

To you, Wenger is god. Fair enough.

Not on GW they don't.

All we have here is words. Nothing but words. Some of them more random than others. But alas, they are but words.

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[Letters]

Aren't these actions?

:dance:

[Marc Overmars]

This is the most weird reaction thread ever.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I have no doubt at all that this is Stan Kroenke's business model. The parallels of our club with those of his hockey team are to obvious to ignore. Once successful franchises dragged down to being cash cows. Neither one of them needing success on the pitch or the ice to fulfil his objectives.

[Globalgunner]

This is what the club has turned us all into. Piranha turning on each other instead of the object of our agony. Bottom line is you cannot see beyond our manager as the root of our problems. Newcastle has a wage bill 100M less than ours. I am sure the wage bill at Fulham is probably less than we spend on our reserves and Aston Villa yesterday put on a damn better show against Manure than we ever could. We are in a bad position in a game and who does wenger bring on ? Aaron FFFkkkggg Ramsey?. Who within 10 mins almost got himself 2 yellow cards and continued doing what he does best...Give the ball away in crucial positions.

This clubs problem could be solved either of two ways
1. New board comes in and fires Wengers ass
2. This board grows a pair and fires Wengers ass

[LDG]

This is what the club has turned us all into. Piranha turning on each other instead of the object of our agony. Bottom line is you cannot see beyond our manager as the root of our problems. Newcastle has a wage bill 100M less than ours. I am sure the wage bill at Fulham is probably less than we spend on our reserves and Aston Villa yesterday put on a damn better show against Manure than we ever could. We are in a bad position in a game and who does wenger bring on ? Aaron FFFkkkggg Ramsey?. Who within 10 mins almost got himself 2 yellow cards and continued doing what he does best...Give the ball away in crucial positions.

This clubs problem could be solved either of two ways
1. New board comes in and fires Wengers ass
2. This board grows a pair and fires Wengers ass

Ok. Now you've solved the problem, and we have no manager.

Well done.

What do you think the objectives (set by the board) for a new manager will be when he comes in?

[Xhaka Can’t]

This is it. People think they know the answers and can sum it up in a one line zinger on a MB.

[Kano]

Ok. Now you've solved the problem, and we have no manager.

Well done.

What do you think the objectives (set by the board) for a new manager will be when he comes in?

sort out the fucking defence, slap some ****s around and become semi competent to at least retain a position for the europa fucking league.

[LDG]

The club is rotting away from top to bottom.

Whilst Wenger is completely deluded, an egotistical lunatic, trying to control anything and everything for the sake of his outdated principles and arrogant ideas....he is merely the front man for the Galatic Empire of ****ery behind him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

In all seriousness, if we are to crash out of the CL, we'd be better off out of Europe altogether. Can you imagine having a season ticket and using up your cup game stubs on the Europa League?

[Globalgunner]

[QUOTE=LDG;218916]Ok. Now you've solved the problem, and we have no manager.

There are managers out there, so pls dont start the BS about who could take over. Steve Bould if, allowed would make sure we dont make a habit of blowing 2 goal leads in the space of 20 mi

[LDG]

sort out the fucking defence, slap some ****s around and become semi competent to at least retain a position for the europa fucking league.

You think the objectives will be football based? I wouldn't be suprised if Ivan Gazidis took over as manager.

Or Tony Blair.

[Kano]

he is but i'd at least rather have a someone that is not stuck in a loop of repeating the same thing again each season, time and again.

he is but i'd at least rather have a someone that is not stuck in a loop of repeating the same thing again each season, time and again.

he is but i'd at least rather have a someone that is not stuck in a loop....


i'm not even interested in 'success'. just a fucking change.

[Kano]

[QUOTE=LDG;218916]Ok. Now you've solved the problem, and we have no manager.

There are managers out there, so pls dont start the BS about who could take over. Steve Bould if, allowed would make sure we dont make a habit of blowing 2 goal leads in the space of 20 mi
what does that mean?

[LDG]

[QUOTE=LDG;218916]Ok. Now you've solved the problem, and we have no manager.

There are managers out there, so pls dont start the BS about who could take over. Steve Bould if, allowed would make sure we dont make a habit of blowing 2 goal leads in the space of 20 mi

I'm not starting any BS matey. I'm fed up with Wenger too. He's a fucking mentalist!

But a new manager will not change a thing (in the long run at least).

[LDG]

i'm not even interested in 'success'. just a fucking change.

I'm with ya pal. Believe me.

Just calling a few out who thing ousting Wenger is "solving the problem".

[Kano]

I hear ya. Not sure I can even watch next weeks game.

[Letters]

I'm with ya pal. Believe me.

Just calling a few out who thing ousting Wenger is "solving the problem".
It's solving a problem, and creating a whole lot of new ones.

[Globalgunner]

It's solving a problem, and creating a whole lot of new ones.

Kindly list them, or at least a few

[Globalgunner]

[QUOTE=Globalgunner;218926]

I'm not starting any BS matey. I'm fed up with Wenger too. He's a fucking mentalist!

But a new manager will not change a thing (in the long run at least).

Look. In the grand scheme of things most Arsenal supporters accept we cannot defeat the almighty trioka of ManC, ManU and Chels, but we could at least try giving them a game on the pitch instead of pitching up and capitulating on the spot which even Norwich would not do. What I think most people expect is that we hold on to 4th and do it with some semblence of dexterity. I tell you any of 12 among the remaining 17 managers not at the big 3 clubs will be able to show enough competence to do that. I exclude Big Sam and Mark Hughes in that both of whom I hate with a passion.

[Power n Glory]

If the team pull in the same sort of performance as we've seen over the past few weeks at next weeks derby game, then I'm sure a few more people will undersand why we need a new manager. The attitude and performances we have grown used to seeing us simply unacceptable. We have problems at Board level but I say a better manager could do more with the resources Wenger is given. This team has no passion, no discipline and you can see how poor Wenger is every time the team step out on the pitch.

[LDG]

Look. In the grand scheme of things most Arsenal supporters accept we cannot defeat the almighty trioka of ManC, ManU and Chels, but we could at least try giving them a game on the pitch instead of pitching up and capitulating on the spot which even Norwich would not do. What I think most people expect is that we hold on to 4th and do it with some semblence of dexterity. I tell you any of 12 among the remaining 17 managers not at the big 3 clubs will be able to show enough competence to do that.

With the current squad, of course! That team is more than capable....and realistically, given another 20mil, should be challenging for the title.

But this is the biggy.

When the players, the board will want to sell off for profit leave (see Chambo, Walcott, Wilshere, Cazorla, Giroud etc etc), in each transfer window. There is an expectation from the board, that another manager will spend less than we sell.

Put anything other than a top draw manager in charge....and you will not get quality....you will get real awful shit, the like of Joey Barton et al. And we won't be able to sell them for a profit....do you see the horrible fate that will behold if we don't get a top draw manager?

You're seeing a short-term fix as the solution. And right now, there just isn't a long term one.

The big fix is what is needed, and it is the one thing nobody can achieve.

[Letters]

Kindly list them, or at least a few
Finding a new manager, for one. Which creates a whole raft of issues around how that manager will get on with the board and the players and rest of the staff.

It could create unrest amongst the players who are loyal to Wenger (hard to say right now how big a problem this will be right now, a few years ago it would have been a bigger problem).

We don't have much to lose any more and if Wenger goes then I won't be as sad about it as I would have a few years ago but it's not a magic bullet and everything will be fine once he's gone. We'd still have a board who are content with 4th place and we'd still not be able to compete with the top 3 financially.

[Kano]

at least it might look like we're trying on the pitch. which matters. a lot.

[Globalgunner]

Finding a new manager, for one. Which creates a whole raft of issues around how that manager will get on with the board and the players and rest of the staff.

It could create unrest amongst the players who are loyal to Wenger (hard to say right now how big a problem this will be right now, a few years ago it would have been a bigger problem).

We don't have much to lose any more and if Wenger goes then I won't be as sad about it as I would have a few years ago but it's not a magic bullet and everything will be fine once he's gone. We'd still have a board who are content with 4th place and we'd still not be able to compete with the top 3 financially.

There is no new manager who is in sync with his board right from the start. As long as the manager is achieving the clubs expectations whether they be staying in the league, mid table finish, Europa, CL qualification or winning the PL title. Problems only start when these objectives are NOT being met. Arsenal s unique problem is that the manager IS meeting the boards expectations but not that of the fans. The only reason people rant here is that we dont agree that we cannot and therefore should not even try to compete with the top 3. What we are now seeing however is that we are not even able to compete with the middling teams like Everton, Newcastle et al. At our current rate we are just as likely to end up 12th as 4th. the problems are on the pitch not in the board room. We should have beaten Fulham, Norwich and Sunderland with a moderately competent manager like Martinez of Wigan, and if we had an excellent manager like Klopp, or Guardiola we would be sitting on maybe 25 points even with this current squad.

As for players being loyal to Wenger, we have seen that the quality ones are mosdef Not loyal as they all leave ASAP. The likes of Djourou, Squillaci, Fabianski, Ramsey, Diaby, Rosicky et al, Well they all love Wenger and would be understandably distraught if he were to leave.

[Letters]

There is no new manager who is in sync with his board right from the start. As long as the manager is achieving the clubs expectations whether they be staying in the league, mid table finish, Europa, CL qualification or winning the PL title. Problems only start when these objectives are NOT being met. Arsenal s unique problem is that the manager IS meeting the boards expectations but not that of the fans. The only reason people rant here is that we dont agree that we cannot and therefore should not even try to compete with the top 3. What we are now seeing however is that we are not even able to compete with the middling teams like Everton, Newcastle et al. At our current rate we are just as likely to end up 12th as 4th. the problems are on the pitch not in the board room. We should have beaten Fulham, Norwich and Sunderland with a moderately competent manager like Martinez of Wigan, and if we had an excellent manager like Klopp, or Guardiola we would be sitting on maybe 25 points even with this current squad.

As for players being loyal to Wenger, we have seen that the quality ones are mosdef Not loyal as they all leave ASAP. The likes of Djourou, Squillaci, Fabianski, Ramsey, Diaby, Rosicky et al, Well they all love Wenger and would be understandably distraught if he were to leave.
The problems are on the pitch AND in the board room, IMO. As you say, the board seem to have set top 4 as their expectation level. That in itself seems like a problem to me. Competing with the top 3 is very difficult but we certainly should be trying and we should be a lot closer. The board seem content enough to see us finish top 4 every year, keep making profits on player sales and trust that Wenger is good enough to keep us up there.

For all his faults Wenger has met that target every single year. Are you seriosuly suggesting that manager who has delivered that every year isn't even a moderately competent despite the huge resources some clubs have and the amounts of money teams like Liverpool and Spurs have spent to try and unseat us?

Wenger is becoming a problem at the club but he's not the only one. Replacing him with another manager will not fix all our problems.

[Niall_Quinn]

You think the objectives will be football based? I wouldn't be suprised if Ivan Gazidis took over as manager.

Or Tony Blair.

I laughed out loud at the Tony Blair suggestion, very funny.

Then I stopped laughing and got worried. You shouldn't have said that. I know Kroenke doesn't come here, but what if he did?

[Niall_Quinn]

The problems are on the pitch AND in the board room, IMO. As you say, the board seem to have set top 4 as their expectation level. That in itself seems like a problem to me. Competing with the top 3 is very difficult but we certainly should be trying and we should be a lot closer. The board seem content enough to see us finish top 4 every year, keep making profits on player sales and trust that Wenger is good enough to keep us up there.

For all his faults Wenger has met that target every single year. Are you seriosuly suggesting that manager who has delivered that every year isn't even a moderately competent despite the huge resources some clubs have and the amounts of money teams like Liverpool and Spurs have spent to try and unseat us?

Wenger is becoming a problem at the club but he's not the only one. Replacing him with another manager will not fix all our problems.

The board's ambition isn't even top 4. They already said they could cope without CL football. Think about that. What does "cope" mean? It has to be related to finances again because dropping further down the league and out of Europe is hardly coping. There are only 3 clubs with big finances we can't match, so what football excuse could we have for dropping to 5th? This board couldn't give a shit about football, everything they say leads to that conclusion. They have also said they want Wenger to stay for life. By that I assume they mean the life of Kroenke's tenure because after that why would he give a shit? Of course Kroenke wants him to stay. It's like the owner of a bank. If he has a great manager that not only balances the books but also makes a profit then why on earth would he be replaced? And why would the owner give a shit about the customers? It's about the money and personal gain after all.

The only way we get rid of Wenger is if Kroenke goes. Or Wenger decides he wants to go himself. To achieve either the fans will have to deliberately damage the
club so it becomes a cost rather than a benefit for Kroenke. This is where they have us by the balls, no real fan will want to harm the club.

[Kano]

The problems are on the pitch AND in the board room, IMO. As you say, the board seem to have set top 4 as their expectation level. That in itself seems like a problem to me. Competing with the top 3 is very difficult but we certainly should be trying and we should be a lot closer. The board seem content enough to see us finish top 4 every year, keep making profits on player sales and trust that Wenger is good enough to keep us up there.

For all his faults Wenger has met that target every single year. Are you seriosuly suggesting that manager who has delivered that every year isn't even a moderately competent despite the huge resources some clubs have and the amounts of money teams like Liverpool and Spurs have spent to try and unseat us?

Wenger is becoming a problem at the club but he's not the only one. Replacing him with another manager will not fix all our problems.

no but if it can solve some then it makes it all a little easier.

it may even backfire but until we try, we'll never know. i'd rather that than watch us roll over and die every week.

wenger has to leave at some time, so why not now.

[Letters]

no but if it can solve some then it makes it all a little easier.

it may even backfire but until we try, we'll never know. i'd rather that than watch us roll over and die every week.

wenger has to leave at some time, so why not now.
I think that's a fairly reasonable stance

[Cripps_orig]

So why doesnt he quit?

There are 6 million reasons why

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The board's ambition isn't even top 4. They already said they could cope without CL football. Think about that. What does "cope" mean? It has to be related to finances again because dropping further down the league and out of Europe is hardly coping. There are only 3 clubs with big finances we can't match, so what football excuse could we have for dropping to 5th? This board couldn't give a shit about football, everything they say leads to that conclusion. They have also said they want Wenger to stay for life. By that I assume they mean the life of Kroenke's tenure because after that why would he give a shit? Of course Kroenke wants him to stay. It's like the owner of a bank. If he has a great manager that not only balances the books but also makes a profit then why on earth would he be replaced? And why would the owner give a shit about the customers? It's about the money and personal gain after all.

The only way we get rid of Wenger is if Kroenke goes. Or Wenger decides he wants to go himself. To achieve either the fans will have to deliberately damage the
club so it becomes a cost rather than a benefit for Kroenke. This is where they have us by the balls, no real fan will want to harm the club.

:gp:

Anybody who believes that getting rid off Wenger, this current board will bring in anyone ambitious is deluding themselves.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So why doesnt he quit? When a board member is a greedy c*nt, thats normal coz thats what board members, CEO's are... they think money all day every day. Unfortunately we have a football manager who is as bad as them and is working with the greedy sharks to bring us down. If I had a gun with two shots in it with AW and a board member in the room, I will shoot AW twice!

Why should he quit, he is meeting his targets set by his employers thats his job done, just cause you or me don't agree with it means nout at the end of the day. Even if he is ad odds with the board, he knows he is making his money off them when he feels ready he'd go. if their to stupid to sack him thats their fault. Or they are happpy because he lines their pockets.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

There are 6 million reasons why

Ach being nice to Wenger :haha:

He gets £7 mill a year not 6

Ach :haha: having a shocker there.

[Cripps_orig]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has refused to rule his side out of the Premier League title race, despite their recent poor form.

The Gunners have only won one of their last four league outings and their dramatic 3-3 draw with Fulham on Saturday leaves them languishing in eighth position with 16 points from 11 games, 11 points behind league leaders Manchester United.

Mikel Arteta's last-minute missed penalty against the Cottagers cost Arsenal the win, but Wenger maintains his stuttering outfit can mount a challenge for top spot.

Wenger stated to reporters: "I feel yes, of course [we are still in the title race]. Yes why not?

"It is a concern, because we looked quite solid defensively until now, and against Fulham we looked very fragile. If we had scored the penalty, nobody speaks about it.

"You had some dodgy moments in the game, but you would have won.

"We were close to doing it and have to do it next game."

Arsenal now face a week's rest before taking on Tottenham at the Emirates in the season's first north London derby, with the two sides separated by only one point and one position in the league table.

We are in the title race as much as a person with a terminal illness is in the human race

And also the bolded part :doh: exactly what i said. Covering up the cracks. Fucking delighted Arteta did what he does best and fucked up

Arteta :bow:

[Cripps_orig]

Ach being nice to Wenger :haha:

He gets £7 mill a year not 6

Ach :haha: having a shocker there.
So you make the situation even worse for Wenger and somehow you laugh at me? Ok then... :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Seems like our new ambition is to just win a game. We are close, 2% away.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not on GW they don't.

All we have here is words. Nothing but words. Some of them more random than others. But alas, they are but words.

Yep too many on here go about we need to protest, but don't want to start one off themselves. Too many go on about how they like to give Aw a piece of their minds but you know they bottle it soon as they saw him.
Sent from my HTC One S using Tapatalk 2


I have no doubt at all that this is Stan Kroenke's business model. The parallels of our club with those of his hockey team are to obvious to ignore. Once successful franchises dragged down to being cash cows. Neither one of them needing success on the pitch or the ice to fulfil his objectives.

Yep yep yep

This is it. People think they know the answers and can sum it up in a one line zinger on a MB.

Pretty much.

How is this supposed to demonstrate Wenger has control of the club? Why did he kick his mate Dein out then? What did he have against Lady Nina Bridleface? Why didn't he smack PHW around for his comments about the new owner he (Wenger) brought in? Why didn't he take a cut of the £500mill when it was divvied up? In fact why didn't he just take the lot and fuck the others out on their ear? He's the manager of the football club, why is it odd he is consulted on major issues that will affect his job directly? But this is a long way from having control of the club. Kroenke has control because he paid for it. Not sure why this is even in dispute. It's just a business reality. Kroenke may be a **** but he won't be a stupid ****.

Spot on


Wenger chose his own boss

Id say he has a say

Bet the Nasty man told Dein to sell his shares to the fat russian, bet wenger told Nina and the Late Great Danny Fiszman to sell their shares to stan, bet he told the one man who he liked to get the fuck out the club. His fault too for not kicking PHW st the club.

[Cripps_orig]

Bet the Nasty man told Dein to sell his shares to the fat russian, bet wenger told Nina and the Late Great Danny Fiszman to sell their shares to stan, bet he told the one man who he liked to get the fuck out the club. His fault too for not kicking PHW st the club.
What?

[Kano]

We are in the title race as much as a person with a terminal illness is in the human race
now that, is fucking genius! :lol:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So you make the situation even worse for Wenger and somehow you laugh at me? Ok then... :doh:

I laughed at you cause you go on like you know everything. If your going to slate the guy get it right.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What?

You know everything figure it out.

[Kano]

"Some guys have asked me why I didn't take the ball but it's like that before the game ... the boss has a list of penalty-takers," Giroud said. "It's very difficult because Mikel was under pressure. In the last minute, it's not very easy to shoot a penalty. We need to concede fewer goals because it's too difficult to win if we concede a lot of goals."
an answer of sorts.

[Cripps_orig]

You know everything figure it out.

Never said i know everything

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Never said i know everything

Well i said you did :lol:

My point was, you say Wenger has control of the club etc. If he did/does, then does he have the power to tell Share holders who to sell their shares to, did he tell Dein to bring Stan and the russian to the club, despite the fact he hates the billionaire and always had.

Someone like Stan who loves his money will never let Wenger tell him what to do where money is involed. On the Pitch hells yes he is responsible and no one else. And when i say on the pitch i mean with what we have and how we play.

When it comes to transfers he and the board are one in the same. He may not spend the money but they are happy for him not to. Like you say the sooner they all clear out the better.

[Cripps_orig]

Well i said you did :lol:

Im flattered but you think too highly of me.

Im just a mere mortal

[LDG]

Wenger's self-perpetuating fuck ups are nothing compared to the tedium of an Ach v Charlie "never said" conversation.

[Niall_Quinn]

an answer of sorts.

We used to kill ourselves with the player who won the pen not being able to take it. Now we kill ourselves in a different way. Just makes my head spin. Wenger should have been barking the order onto the pitch, let Giroud take it. Arteta should have figured it out himself, or at least looked to the line where our on the ball manager had it figured. Only Arsenal could go from hat trick hero to the stand out player of the match having to explain himself. You get the impression that if the list hadn't been updated, maybe through an administrative oversight, Lauren would have been flown in to take it. Is anyone else getting this, seeing how crazy it is? Or has Wenger finally driven me mad as well?

[Cripps_orig]

Not a big fan of Charlieisms?

[Kano]

We used to kill ourselves with the player who won the pen not being able to take it. Now we kill ourselves in a different way. Just makes my head spin. Wenger should have been barking the order onto the pitch, let Giroud take it. Arteta should have figured it out himself, or at least looked to the line where our on the ball manager had it figured. Only Arsenal could go from hat trick hero to the stand out player of the match having to explain himself. You get the impression that if the list hadn't been updated, maybe through an administrative oversight, Lauren would have been flown in to take it. Is anyone else getting this, seeing how crazy it is? Or has Wenger finally driven me mad as well?
wengbot will get back to you shortly.

please hold.

[Cripps_orig]

Giroud at no point after the penalty was given went to get the ball. Never looked like he wanted to take it. He bottled it. He didnt even go to Arteta and ask the question

[Niall_Quinn]

Maybe this is why we don't shoot. It must be the designated shooter who shoots so we have to tip tap it around until he is in position.

[Niall_Quinn]

wengbot will get back to you shortly.

please hold.

Stupid old 7 years on hold :fury:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger's self-perpetuating fuck ups are nothing compared to the tedium of an Ach v Charlie "never said" conversation.

Never said it it was :coffee:

[Niall_Quinn]

Giroud at no point after the penalty was given went to get the ball. Never looked like he wanted to take it. He bottled it. He didnt even go to Arteta and ask the question

Why would he if it was all decided six months ago?

[Cripps_orig]

Never said it it was :coffee:

:haha:

[Kano]

Wenger's self-perpetuating fuck ups are nothing compared to the tedium of an Ach v Charlie "never said" conversation.
it's the old v new.

charlie is our carl jenkinson of gw whilst ach is arshavin

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We used to kill ourselves with the player who won the pen not being able to take it. Now we kill ourselves in a different way. Just makes my head spin. Wenger should have been barking the order onto the pitch, let Giroud take it. Arteta should have figured it out himself, or at least looked to the line where our on the ball manager had it figured. Only Arsenal could go from hat trick hero to the stand out player of the match having to explain himself. You get the impression that if the list hadn't been updated, maybe through an administrative oversight, Lauren would have been flown in to take it. Is anyone else getting this, seeing how crazy it is? Or has Wenger finally driven me mad as well?

This is the problem the players don't use their brains. So if Giroud took it and scored the winning goal, Do you really Wenger is going to be upset because he is not no 1 taker. Our players really need to use their brains.

[Niall_Quinn]

it's the old v new.

charlie is our carl jenkinson of gw whilst ach is arshavin

I'm Theo Walcott.

[Cripps_orig]

Why would he if it was all decided six months ago?

You have 2 goals, you want the hat trick, you are our main striker just new at a club wheres hes had a bit of a shocker of a start.

Pre determined penalty takers shouldnt come in to it

The whole stadium knew Arteta would miss. He had had a shocking game in a shocking season in a shocking Arsenal career. Dont players sense these kind of things? The fans did. The groans around the ground when Arteta had the ball for the penalty was deafening. The tide has turned. We can all see Artetas shitness. Only a couple of tards think hes any good but they are known as tards for a reason

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'm Theo Walcott.

:haha:

So you just posting good so you can get a transfer to goonersworld. Waits for the i Love Goonersweb so much before you fuck off, leaving the likes of Ollie to say how unloyal you were.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

:haha:

So you just posting good so you can get a transfer to goonersworld. Waits for the i Love Goonersweb so much before you fuck off, leaving the likes of Ollie to say how unloyal you were.

Don't forget the "you guys" statement.

[Niall_Quinn]

You have 2 goals, you want the hat trick, you are our main striker just new at a club wheres hes had a bit of a shocker of a start.

Pre determined penalty takers shouldnt come in to it

The whole stadium knew Arteta would miss. He had had a shocking game in a shocking season in a shocking Arsenal career. Dont players sense these kind of things? The fans did. The groans around the ground when Arteta had the ball for the penalty was deafening. The tide has turned. We can all see Artetas shitness. Only a couple of tards think hes any good but they are known as tards for a reason

You didn't really need the tenuous (at best) intro to this anti-Arteta rant.

[Cripps_orig]

You didn't really need the tenuous (at best) intro to this anti-Arteta rant.

Pretty much

[Xhaka Can’t]

Maybe this is why we don't shoot. It must be the designated shooter who shoots so we have to tip tap it around until he is in position.

Everyone knows Ramsey is the designated shooter.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You have 2 goals, you want the hat trick, you are our main striker just new at a club wheres hes had a bit of a shocker of a start.

Pre determined penalty takers shouldnt come in to it

The whole stadium knew Arteta would miss. He had had a shocking game in a shocking season in a shocking Arsenal career. Dont players sense these kind of things? The fans did. The groans around the ground when Arteta had the ball for the penalty was deafening. The tide has turned. We can all see Artetas shitness. Only a couple of tards think hes any good but they are known as tards for a reason

I just think he did not want to disrupt things. Like you say he is new, its diffrent if it was a rvc, or he was a big personality at the club. Maybe he felt this is the way things are done. Im sure he'd have loved to take it.

If Arteta did not feel comfortable im sure he would not have taken it.

If Giroud took it and missed, he be even more abused on here anyways.

[Niall_Quinn]

I just think he did not want to disrupt things. Like you say he is new, its diffrent if it was a rvc, or he was a big personality at the club. Maybe he felt this is the way things are done. Im sure he'd have loved to take it.

If Arteta did not feel comfortable im sure he would not have taken it.

If Giroud took it and missed, he be even more abused on here anyways.

No, Cazorla would have taken it. We're not fully appreciating the absolute control freakery here.

[Kano]

I'm Theo Walcott.
no delivery and hairless balls?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Don't forget the "you guys" statement.

Yep and everyone calling Letters a **** for letting this happen. Then we remember the posters like Flavs, who could not put up with this after 7 years of shitness. Deciding they want to be more ambitious.

[Niall_Quinn]

Everyone knows Ramsey is the designated shooter.

Except Ramsey.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No, Cazorla would have taken it. We're not fully appreciating the absolute control freakery here.
I never said if Arteta would not take it Giroud would have taken it.

[Niall_Quinn]

no delivery and hairless balls?

Unless you have a chequebook at the ready I don't want to hear from you at all.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Except Ramsey.

Zero shots on target is no evidence of that.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is what happens to a match thread when there is no football to talk about.

[Niall_Quinn]

Zero shats on target is no evidence of that.

True he's shat all over the place but never on target.

[Grebbo]

Why oh why didn't we sign Berbatov??!! He'd be perfect for us and would have pissed of the Spuds had we signed him.

[Ollie the Optimist]

if you are glad that arteta missed that penalty, then you are a massive ****.

or just a **** trying to be a funny wum.


either way, you're a ****

[Xhaka Can’t]

Why oh why didn't we sign Berbatov??!!

No sell on fee.

Next!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

if you are glad that arteta missed that penalty, then you are a massive ****.

or just a **** trying to be a funny wum.


either way, you're a ****

:haha:

[Cripps_orig]

I see its lunch time for schools

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why oh why didn't we sign Berbatov??!! He'd be perfect for us and would have pissed of the Spuds had we signed him.

How many wanted him in the summer, not one on here wanted him. In hindsight its easier to say. Had we signed at the time people would have moaned.

[LDG]

if you are glad that arteta missed that penalty, then you are a massive ****.

or just a **** trying to be a funny wum.


either way, you're a ****

Harsh on Wenger.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I see its lunch time for schools

Yeah but GB's the teacher, he's allowed a break.

[Master Splinter]

Why oh why didn't we sign Berbatov??!! He'd be perfect for us and would have pissed of the Spuds had we signed him.

Would we have been little bit untouchable if we had signed Andy Garcia?

We cannot say. We do not comment on internal affairs.

Is he known as the godfather at Fulham?

No.

Have I run out of Andy Garcia films to reference.

I believe, yes.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Harsh on Wenger.

Disgusting how Ollie's idol is treated on here.

[Power n Glory]

Everyone knows Ramsey is the designated shooter.

Reports from eye witnesses suggest there was another shooter behind the grassy knoll. :ilt:

[fakeyank]

Why should he quit, he is meeting his targets set by his employers thats his job done, just cause you or me don't agree with it means nout at the end of the day. Even if he is ad odds with the board, he knows he is making his money off them when he feels ready he'd go. if their to stupid to sack him thats their fault. Or they are happpy because he lines their pockets.

96-2005: Wenger on par, if not better than SAF
2007 onwards: He changes into a money grabbing c*nt?!

How does a winner of a manager change into being happy with the crap thats being served now?! Or was he always a crap manager made better by the fact that Dein kicked his sorry arse?

[Letters]

96-2005: Wenger on par, if not better than SAF
2007 onwards: He changes into a money grabbing c*nt?!

How does a winner of a manager change into being happy with the crap thats being served now?! Or was he always a crap manager made better by the fact that Dein kicked his sorry arse?
It's not Wenger that's changed, it's football. And, to an extent, things at the club at board level have changed.
Fergie has adapted to the changes in football and managed to challenge the billionaires, Wenger hasn't.
Although Fergie has had more resources than Wenger to do so, Wenger has had more resources at his disposal than he's used.

I don't believe Wenger is happy with the 'crap thats being served now'. Whether he can do anything about it though...I'm not sure.
If he was a crap manager then we wouldn't keep finishing top 4 but he could certainly do with some better people around him, he does seem to have too much power at the club right now.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It's not Wenger that's changed, it's football. And, to an extent, things at the club at board level have changed.
Fergie has adapted to the changes in football and managed to challenge the billionaires, Wenger hasn't.
Although Fergie has had more resources than Wenger to do so, Wenger has had more resources at his disposal than he's used.

I don't believe Wenger is happy with the 'crap thats being served now'. Whether he can do anything about it though...I'm not sure.
If he was a crap manager then we wouldn't keep finishing top 4 but he could certainly do with some better people around him, he does seem to have too much power at the club right now.

Thank you, could not have said it better myself.

[Cripps_orig]

So basically everyone is in agreement Wenger has not done all he can for the cause

Reason enough to get rid

[fakeyank]

It's not Wenger that's changed, it's football. And, to an extent, things at the club at board level have changed.
Fergie has adapted to the changes in football and managed to challenge the billionaires, Wenger hasn't.
Although Fergie has had more resources than Wenger to do so, Wenger has had more resources at his disposal than he's used.

I don't believe Wenger is happy with the 'crap thats being served now'. Whether he can do anything about it though...I'm not sure.
If he was a crap manager then we wouldn't keep finishing top 4 but he could certainly do with some better people around him, he does seem to have too much power at the club right now.

Its not the billionaires really.. its the fact that we look mediocre against teams like Reading, Swansea, Fulham on a consistent basis. Up until 2008 or so, we knew we'd lose against the Chelsea's and Utd's but we looked comfortable playing these mid table teams (at least at home) but even thats gone and I just cannot see how AW can be defended here.

Yes, he has kept us in the top 4 for some time but every season you know we are just getting worse and worse. Its a question of when we drop out of top 4 and not if we drop out of top 4. With the size of our club and resources available, we should be up there right after Chelsea, Utd and City but we are not. We have slipped down to the levels of Fulham, Everton and West Hams... and the worst part? Our style of play is absolutely horrible.. I can gauge my eyes out most of the games with the boring crap being served! At least up until 2008 or so, we played good football but now even thats not the case. We probably play one of the most boring styles of football in Europe!!

[Niall_Quinn]

So basically everyone is in agreement Wenger has not done all he can for the cause

Reason enough to get rid

You;re still looking at this from a football perspective which simply isn't a priority at Arsenal these days.

[Cripps_orig]

You;re still looking at this from a football perspective which simply isn't a priority at Arsenal these days.

Like i said previously, i dont give a crap about the financial side of football. I care about the on pitch stuff and Wenger has failed time and time again to do his job.

His fault we are so woeful in defence.

Can not blame the board for that

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Like i said previously, i dont give a crap about the financial side of football. I care about the on pitch stuff and Wenger has failed time and time again to do his job.

His fault we are so woeful in defence.

Can not blame the board for that

Fair enough.

Then you can't say he is at fault for how the whole club has declined. On the pitch stuff is a diffrent issue.

[Cripps_orig]

Fair enough.

Then you can't say he is at fault for how the whole club has declined. On the pitch stuff is a diffrent issue.

I dont

I critisise the board for that but Wenger plays a big part in that as well. Never let it be forgotten that he interviewed his own boss to take the job. Thats the power he has at this club and as long as that remains then we will keep on being the laughing stock of world football

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I dont

I critisise the board for that but Wenger plays a big part in that as well. Never let it be forgotten that he interviewed his own boss to take the job. Thats the power he has at this club and as long as that remains then we will keep on being the laughing stock of world football

Who Stan?

[Cripps_orig]

Who Stan?

Gazidis

[Letters]

Its not the billionaires really.. its the fact that we look mediocre against teams like Reading, Swansea, Fulham on a consistent basis. Up until 2008 or so, we knew we'd lose against the Chelsea's and Utd's but we looked comfortable playing these mid table teams (at least at home) but even thats gone and I just cannot see how AW can be defended here.

Yes, he has kept us in the top 4 for some time but every season you know we are just getting worse and worse. Its a question of when we drop out of top 4 and not if we drop out of top 4. With the size of our club and resources available, we should be up there right after Chelsea, Utd and City but we are not. We have slipped down to the levels of Fulham, Everton and West Hams... and the worst part? Our style of play is absolutely horrible.. I can gauge my eyes out most of the games with the boring crap being served! At least up until 2008 or so, we played good football but now even thats not the case. We probably play one of the most boring styles of football in Europe!!
I agree with a fair amount of that. I'm not sure what level we're at right now. The top 3 are certainly a depressingly large amount better than us, I still think we're probably the best of the rest, I guess we'll see come May. But the gap to the top 3 shouldn't be so big and it's alarming how quickly it's got that big. It's only a couple of years ago we didn't look that far behind but I guess that's what happens when you sell all your best players.

As for the style...well, it's not like it was but you're massively exaggerating how bad it is.
We're not Stoke. We don't just kick and rush, we don't just kick the opposition and try to stop them playing.
You're too young to remember the thoroughly enjoyable 92/93 season. We scored 40 goals in 42 league games. It was the height of 'boring boring Arsenal'. It's nowhere near that bad now but I agree it's not that great either.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Gazidis

Never saw him as Wenger's boss tbh.

[fakeyank]

Never saw him as Wenger's boss tbh.

Never said he did

[Cripps_orig]

Never saw him as Wenger's boss tbh.

Hes the chief executive

A level above manager

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Never said he did

Never said he said he did.

[fakeyank]

I agree with a fair amount of that. I'm not sure what level we're at right now. The top 3 are certainly a depressingly large amount better than us, I still think we're probably the best of the rest, I guess we'll see come May. But the gap to the top 3 shouldn't be so big and it's alarming how quickly it's got that big. It's only a couple of years ago we didn't look that far behind but I guess that's what happens when you sell all your best players.

As for the style...well, it's not like it was but you're massively exaggerating how bad it is.
We're not Stoke. We don't just kick and rush, we don't just kick the opposition and try to stop them playing.
You're too young to remember the thoroughly enjoyable 92/93 season. We scored 40 goals in 42 league games. It was the height of 'boring boring Arsenal'. It's nowhere near that bad now but I agree it's not that great either.

Yes, I do not remember the 92/93 season because they did not show all the PL games live in UAE. However my concerns are not because we have never been a boring team 20 years back... my concern is that we were one of the top 3 best football playing teams a few years back under the same manager. WTF has changed in the last few years? Why have we changed the fast free flowing football to the crap we play now? And no, I really am not exaggerating how bad our football is currently... it is a touch above the West Hams and Stokes... and thats just because I love Arsenal and not because side ways passing is in anyway better than hoofing the ball up front!

[Cripps_orig]

West Ham are pretty decent tbh

Anyway we won the cup double in 92/93

Would gladly take that this season

[Letters]

Yes, I do not remember the 92/93 season because they did not show all the PL games live in UAE. However my concerns are not because we have never been a boring team 20 years back... my concern is that we were one of the top 3 best football playing teams a few years back under the same manager. WTF has changed in the last few years? Why have we changed the fast free flowing football to the crap we play now? And no, I really am not exaggerating how bad our football is currently... it is a touch above the West Hams and Stokes... and thats just because I love Arsenal and not because side ways passing is in anyway better than hoofing the ball up front!What has changed in the last few years is the quality of our players.

[Kano]

I agree with a fair amount of that. I'm not sure what level we're at right now. The top 3 are certainly a depressingly large amount better than us, I still think we're probably the best of the rest, I guess we'll see come May. But the gap to the top 3 shouldn't be so big and it's alarming how quickly it's got that big. It's only a couple of years ago we didn't look that far behind but I guess that's what happens when you sell all your best players.

As for the style...well, it's not like it was but you're massively exaggerating how bad it is.
We're not Stoke. We don't just kick and rush, we don't just kick the opposition and try to stop them playing.
You're too young to remember the thoroughly enjoyable 92/93 season. We scored 40 goals in 42 league games. It was the height of 'boring boring Arsenal'. It's nowhere near that bad now but I agree it's not that great either.
here's a kicker. in 92/93 we had the same amount of points after 11 games and finished 10th.

[Letters]

here's a kicker. in 92/93 we had the same amount of points after 11 games and finished 10th.
Lucky the season doesn't end after 11 games then.

[LDG]

here's a kicker. in 92/93 we had the same amount of points after 11 games and finished 10th.

As I remember, I thoroughly enjoyed that fact.

[Kano]

Lucky the season doesn't end after 11 games then.
i think it already has for most of us.

[LDG]

Lucky the season doesn't end after 11 games then.

Ours has :(

[Letters]

Ours has :(
Rubbish! We're still in the Champions League :angry:

[fakeyank]

What has changed in the last few years is the quality of our players.

Not really.. if you compare the starting XI from 07 and 08 to the present one, we are not that bad. In fact, our CC teams which were mostly the kids played 100% better football than the starting XI this season or last. You cant tell me that those kids had better quality than our starting XI!
What has changed is that AW altered our successful 4-4-2 system to 4-5-1 to win the CL. He has also wanted to copy Barca's style of football. He failed miserably in doing both... now its ok and understandable to try and fail. But to keep trying a failed formula over and over again expecting different results is absolute retardedness!

[gooners]

Not really.. if you compare the starting XI from 07 and 08 to the present one, we are not that bad. In fact, our CC teams which were mostly the kids played 100% better football than the starting XI this season or last. You cant tell me that those kids had better quality than our starting XI!
What has changed is that AW altered our successful 4-4-2 system to 4-5-1 to win the CL. He has also wanted to copy Barca's style of football. He failed miserably in doing both... now its ok and understandable to try and fail. But to keep trying a failed formula over and over again expecting different results is absolute retardedness!

chelsea,city plus mighty fulham & norwich have destroyed the game, i tells you!