Mesut Özil Thread (official!)

[milla]

Give Balotelli to Wenger, he'll turn him to decent human being and a beast of a footballer. :coffee:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Doubt it. He's had a long list of top quality managers and every single one has given up. I saw quotes from the Milan chairman earlier this week and they weren't pretty. He's a lost cause and the last thing we need is someone disrupting our harmony.

[milla]

Doubt it. He's had a long list of top quality managers and every single one has given up. I saw quotes from the Milan chairman earlier this week and they weren't pretty. He's a lost cause and the last thing we need is someone disrupting our harmony.

Nobody is a lost cause. Something about Wenger, despite his inept subs and tactics he is very good at nurturing talented footballers. Balotelli would be perfect signing IMO plus nobody wants him which means lower asking price. :coffee:

[Syn]

Doubt it. He's had a long list of top quality managers and every single one has given up. I saw quotes from the Milan chairman earlier this week and they weren't pretty. He's a lost cause and the last thing we need is someone disrupting our harmony.

Yeah. The last thing we need is someone disrupting our harmony. Let's just get Suarez.

You penises. Liverpool are so awkward that they won't sell us the best player in the league, and Milan won't sell us Balotelli . The Ozil signing has pushed expectations way too far on the transfer front.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Comparing Suarez to Balotelli is ridiculous. Suarez has control of himself off the pitch, Balotelli doesn't. The latter is an absolute nutcase and a constant live wire in every aspect of his life. I'd trust Wenger to pipe Suarez down as Milla suggests, but Balotelli is a no hope.

[JonasTC]

The problem for Ozil is that we have nobody making runs in behind. Literally nobody. The one game that we saw the best of Ozil's threaded passes was the one he played with Theo. That's just wasting his best ability as a player.

Giroud doesn't play that way as he doesn't have pace, but I'd like to see him vary it a little and try to get in behind rather than coming short all the time. Same with Cazorla.

That was vs Sunderland right? Remember if Theo didnt have a bad day, Özil would have had 3-4 assist in his first game :D

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Suarez is a lot more stable than Ballotelli and that's saying something. Do not want Ballotelli at all! The guy is a cancer, has been his whole career and has an ego that makes King Bendtner look mild and reserved and that's saying another thing. At any rate we wouldn't be able to get either this winter.

If the murmurs of Lewadiveski agreeing a deal with Chelsea are true I'd love for us to get Lukakau but Mourinho wouldn't sell us a used condom let alone one of the hottest properties in football. It'd be up to him to force the move as he surely doesn't want to perpetually loaned out to mid table clubs his entire career.

Pato and Llorente are the two we've been linked with though it seems that the latter is gradually being intergrated into the Juve team after being frozen out at the start which is going to make it difficult.

What's for certain is that we need to get someone in. Giroud looked exhausted last night.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Suarez makes up for his mental on-field attitude by being a work house, chasing every ball down and being a team player. Balotelli does none of that. He stands and sulks if he doesn't get the ball and if things don't go his way he makes up soddy excuses like being allergic to grass to get himself off the pitch. When you're battling in the trenches and have to grind out results, like we've been doing lately, the last thing you need is Balotelli.

[BOBN]

You guys are soft. Balotelli would be perfect for us. Plus we could use his "immaturity" as a chance to give Giroud a fair number of games. Perfect.

[BOBN]

Suarez makes up for his mental on-field attitude by being a work house, chasing every ball down and being a team player. Balotelli does none of that. He stands and sulks if he doesn't get the ball and if things don't go his way he makes up soddy excuses like being allergic to grass to get himself off the pitch. When you're battling in the trenches and have to grind out results, like we've been doing lately, the last thing you need is Balotelli.
Without a top class striker, you often find yourself "battling in the trenches". Cant remember Christiano Ronaldos teams waiting around to grind stuff out. Not sure Ronaldo can do that.

[BOBN]

The problem for Ozil is that we have nobody making runs in behind. Literally nobody. The one game that we saw the best of Ozil's threaded passes was the one he played with Theo. That's just wasting his best ability as a player.

Giroud doesn't play that way as he doesn't have pace, but I'd like to see him vary it a little and try to get in behind rather than coming short all the time. Same with Cazorla.
Been saying this.

Right now Ozil doesnt look a £40m player.

[GP]

Suarez makes up for his mental on-field attitude by being a work house, chasing every ball down and being a team player. Balotelli does none of that. He stands and sulks if he doesn't get the ball and if things don't go his way he makes up soddy excuses like being allergic to grass to get himself off the pitch. When you're battling in the trenches and have to grind out results, like we've been doing lately, the last thing you need is Balotelli.

Absolutely. Balotelli is no where near good enough to warrant taking the risk on him.

[Penguin]

Yeah. The last thing we need is someone disrupting our harmony. Let's just get Suarez.

You penises. Liverpool are so awkward that they won't sell us the best player in the league, and Milan won't sell us Balotelli . The Ozil signing has pushed expectations way too far on the transfer front.

:gp:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Manchester United manager David Moyes has admitted he passed up the chance to sign Mesut Ozil this summer.

Ozil joined Arsenal from Real Madrid for £42.5million, but Moyes claimed United did not need a player like him when they were offered him.

“We weren’t close to buying him but something was mooted a little bit before that,” said Moyes.

“We didn’t need that position at the time. I didn’t even say it was an interest, it was put to us and it was just something at the time we didn’t need.

“We we had Shinji Kagawa and Wayne Rooney and people of a similar ilk so it wasn’t quite what we required at that time. We were looking at different positions.”

Rooney has scored 10 times against tomorrow’s opponents Arsenal, since announcing himself on the Premier League stage with a wonder strike against them for Everton in 2002, when he was just 16.

“Arsenal do crop up quite often,” said Rooney. “It’s a bit weird. I’m sure they must be sick of the sight of me at times. That first goal for Everton does seem like a long time ago.”



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we have kagawa so we didn't need Ozil :haha:


he is so far out of his depth its unreal

[Munchies]

And then went on to spend £27.5m on a hairy dildo :haha:

http://www.thepfa.com/news/2013/7/26/~/media/Images/PA%20Images/2013/7/26/hong-kong-pitch-worries-david-moyes-Image.ashx?mw=628

[GP]

10-year contract plz

[Syn]

“There will be further investment in the team in the future,” added Ozil. “It was important for me to know that the club matched my ambitions and they clearly do.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-mesut-ozil-reckons-joined-2713158

:haha:

What a gullible fool.

[JonasTC]

Ahh come on, we have a great young team, we're not gonna see 4x10m transfers anymore, so tbh i believe aswell that we're gonna see few but quality signings in the summers transfer windows to come :)

[selassie]

I'll probably get slated for this but I haven't been that impressed with young Mesut lately. I didn't like his performance today and he wasn't great against Dortmund either.

I still love him though, he's a world class player and we have already seen a fair bit of quality from him.

[GP]

It's still early days for him. Still adapting to a new team and surroundings.

He's not been outstanding, but he's not looked out of his depth either. His quality is evident. Lots more to come from him.

[Munchies]

I'll probably get slated for this but I haven't been that impressed with young Mesut lately. I didn't like his performance today and he wasn't great against Dortmund either.

I still love him though, he's a world class player and we have already seen a fair bit of quality from him.

Tbf to Mesuts, there hasn't been anything for him to pass to. Its too narrow right now, and teams get behind the ball without their being an outlay for him to pass too. Today he did play some terrible passes, but I guess that's understandable given that we played 3 games in over a week. The whole team was flat.

Having Walcott /Gnabry will be a massive boost for us.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's knackered. He's played every game.

Plus he's come from a pussy league like La Liga into an over-physical league like the Premiership. He needs rest but we can't give it to him yet.

He also hasn't had any runners to play through balls to. He's had to cut inside a lot and he's ineffective like that. When Theo's back we'll see him flourish.

[selassie]

It's still early days for him. Still adapting to a new team and surroundings.

He's not been outstanding, but he's not looked out of his depth either. His quality is evident. Lots more to come from him.

True, though worryingly he does seem to go missing in the BIG games, this is something that was talked about a lot at Real prior to him joining us. Time will tell, the quality is there and as you rightly said still lots more to come from him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He had a poor game today, perhaps he may even be feeling some effects of the bug - pretty much the whole team seemed underpar today. But lets not set put to re-write his contribution to the team this season on the back of a bad day.

[Syn]

What were the 'big games' for Real Madrid? Barcelona and the CL knockouts? He has killed it in World Cups and European Championships for Germany. There is absolutely no issue with his mentality or ability. He's just finding it hard to adjust to the fitness levels required. He could do with being rested/benched for a few games, but that only becomes an option when Cazorla and one of Walcott/Podolski are available.

[BOBN]

I was assured by giddy fans he'd walk into the league and be its best player by a distance.

I look forward to the day.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Is he even shittier than Bergkamp?

[BOBN]

He's not been outstanding, but he's not looked out of his depth either. His quality is evident. Lots more to come from him.
Isnt it wonderful that a £40m player has not looked out of his depth :patrice:

[Munchies]

'The reason he made the mistake, is because he shouldn't of been on the pitch in the first place ! he's knackered. '

Who remembers this ? Just remembered it randomly :lol:

But yeah, once our team is back, we'll have plenty of options to rest Mesut. Rosicky/Cazorla can play in his position. Put Ox/Pods on the left wing, Theo on the right.

[Ralpheroo72]

Im knackered, had to get up at 3am to watch. He was poor, and doesn't like defending that much. Still, Wenger is responsible, as there is no one for Ozil to pass to.

[Bumble]

In one instance today he showed his class and frustration. We punted a clearance forward ozil control it dead just in the united half but tried to spread the play wide and woefully under hit the ball.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That's fatigue.

When does Ozil usually under hit a ball? He doesn't. He has no energy in his legs. Hopefully Germany don't play him next week.

[selassie]

What were the 'big games' for Real Madrid? Barcelona and the CL knockouts? He has killed it in World Cups and European Championships for Germany. There is absolutely no issue with his mentality or ability. He's just finding it hard to adjust to the fitness levels required. He could do with being rested/benched for a few games, but that only becomes an option when Cazorla and one of Walcott/Podolski are available.

Yep El Clasico and the CL knockouts. This isn't a witch hunt against Mesut BTW because I love him, I think he's a special player. It's just I did read that he has a tendency to 'drift' in and out of games, especially the crunch/big games whatever you want to call them.

For a player who is new to this league he has racked up impressive numbers and performances, so I am not picking at his performances on the whole, I was just a bit disappointed with him today, I did expect more from him. I do agree with what others have said though, fatigue has played in his recent dip in performances.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Streets ahead of anyone else in this league.....

Lots of our now legends had slow starts to their Arsenal careers, so absolutely no doubt in my mind that he'll soon start putting in those 'GTFUO your seat and applaud' types of performances.

[Grebbo]

Needs a rest. He's not used to playing high intensity games every 3 days, in La Liga there's about 10 difficult games per season for RM, in the Prem there's 30.

[Marc Overmars]

Don't think he's up for much of the physical work but I certainly don't doubt his ability with the ball.

I would have taken him off rather than Cazorla.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Streets ahead of anyone else in this league.....

Lots of our now legends had slow starts to their Arsenal careers, so absolutely no doubt in my mind that he'll soon start putting in those 'GTFUO your seat and applaud' types of performances.

I hope you aren't counting Bergkamp amongst those players, because he was pants throughout his Arsenal career.

[AFC Leveller]

has looked tired over the last couple of games. Not helped by being played wide right/left with noone to pass to.

he often produced the goods against barcelona and in the CL not to mention for germany so this big games talk has no substance.

I do wish he drove with the bal a bit more though because he has that in his locker.

[BOBN]

Is he even shittier than Bergkamp?
Before Bergkamps first goals against Southampton when he was written off as a flop, he showed more moments of genius than this Ozil has so far. Just goes to show how out of control the twiiter/podcast/sky sports hype machine is these days tbh.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Indeed, judging a player after 2 and a bit months is far more sensible than looking at his career so far.

[BOBN]

Indeed, judging a player after 2 and a bit months is far more sensible than looking at his career so far.
I know hes a good player, the only question is how good. For a start I dont see him being that matchwinning superstar player, the player that Bergkamp was for 2 years, Pires was in 01-02 and Henry was for 5+ years, and for £40m thats a shame.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well we're top of the league with him here and we weren't when he wasn't. I don't really know why it should bother you how much we spent on him, we spent more overall last season for not much achievement within one season and clearly with the signing of him a lot has changed for the mentality of a lot of players. That's well worth the £42 million.

Pires in 01/02 was brilliant but that was his second season, I remember he was fairly written off for most of that season (00/01), it's what always happens - sign talented player, results falter slightly, all target them first in the search for answers to what happens in football, teams occasionally lose games.

[AFC Leveller]

Ozil + Suarez = Murder on the dance floor.

There was that one teo he played with Giroud that the Frenchman didnt quite get. Suarez would have burried it and that what you need in the big games, a match winner

[BOBN]

Well we're top of the league with him here and we weren't when he wasn't. I don't really know why it should bother you how much we spent on him, we spent more overall last season for not much achievement within one season and clearly with the signing of him a lot has changed for the mentality of a lot of players. That's well worth the £42 million.

Pires in 01/02 was brilliant but that was his second season, I remember he was fairly written off for most of that season (00/01), it's what always happens - sign talented player, results falter slightly, all target them first in the search for answers to what happens in football, teams occasionally lose games.
I know Ozil will be a good player for us, but yeah this is entirely about the money.

We still need that game-changing player and im not sure how motivated the club will be to do that after already given us a blockbuster signing. If he'd cost say £25m theyd be less likely to rest on their laurels thinking theyd ticked that box.

[Munchies]

I know Ozil will be a good player for us, but yeah this is entirely about the money.

We still need that game-changing player and im not sure how motivated the club will be to do that after already given us a blockbuster signing. If he'd cost say £25m theyd be less likely to rest on their laurels thinking theyd ticked that box.

The club knows we're desperately short up front, Gazidis said that Giroud can't go the season alone.

We have alot of money left spare from over the summer, spent around £32m net from a supposed £70m 'warchest'.

Now will the club spend it on a genuine world class striker in the mould of Suarez/Lewandowski ? Now thats what we don't know.

[Power n Glory]

has looked tired over the last couple of games. Not helped by being played wide right/left with noone to pass to.

he often produced the goods against barcelona and in the CL not to mention for germany so this big games talk has no substance.

I do wish he drove with the bal a bit more though because he has that in his locker.

Wenger doesn’t start him on the flanks. He drifts into those positions to make space for himself. Ramsey played on the right, Cazorla on the left, Arteta, Flamini and Ozil in the middle. We missed Rosicky because even if starting on the right, he’ll find his way into the middle to cover the space Ozil drifts away from. I really have no idea how it’s going to work with Ozil. Wenger may need to shift Cazorla in the middle when Rosicky can’t play just so we get that balance. Or just play Ramsey there for crying out loud.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I know Ozil will be a good player for us, but yeah this is entirely about the money.

We still need that game-changing player and im not sure how motivated the club will be to do that after already given us a blockbuster signing. If he'd cost say £25m theyd be less likely to rest on their laurels thinking theyd ticked that box.

I doubt that. Gazidis has already publically said that Giroud cannot hold the load throughout the season (even though somebody like Suarez would have played at the same time as him I reckon). It's not really in Wenger's make-up to neglect signing attacking players.

[Penguin]

Firstly Ozil has only been here for a couple of months. The price tag is irrelevant, he still needs time to adjust to the league just like anyone else. Almost every player starts off slowly in this league so why is it different for Ozil?

Secondly we're misusing him. Ozil's best ability is his vision. When we have a team with five CMs and a slow striker you're obviously not going to get the best out of him. It's like buying Sebastien Vettel and telling him to win a race with a mountain bike. Apart from Theo we have nobody that gets behind the opponent's backline, or even try to! That's something Wenger needs to address.

I said before we bought Ozil that we didn't need him and that we should invest in at least one winger or wide forward, as well as a striker. It was obvious to everyone that we needed reinforcements there. I'll give Wenger and Gazidis the benefit of the doubt and see what they do in January/next summer.

[Fist of Lehmann]

I'll give Wenger and Gazidis the benefit of the doubt and see what they do in January/next summer.

And if they do nothing? Will you sack them?

[Penguin]

What? :blink:

When did I become the chairman? :unsure:

[Fist of Lehmann]

What? :blink:

When did I become the chairman? :unsure:

It reads like an ultimatum. I just wondered what the consequences were going to be.

Oh wait it doesn't.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Firstly Ozil has only been here for a couple of months. The price tag is irrelevant, he still needs time to adjust to the league just like anyone else. Almost every player starts off slowly in this league so why is it different for Ozil?

Secondly we're misusing him. Ozil's best ability is his vision. When we have a team with five CMs and a slow striker you're obviously not going to get the best out of him. It's like buying Sebastien Vettel and telling him to win a race with a mountain bike. Apart from Theo we have nobody that gets behind the opponent's backline, or even try to! That's something Wenger needs to address.

I said before we bought Ozil that we didn't need him and that we should invest in at least one winger or wide forward, as well as a striker. It was obvious to everyone that we needed reinforcements there. I'll give Wenger and Gazidis the benefit of the doubt and see what they do in January/next summer.

Actually the winger point is a decent one and I think it needs to be addressed. He went for Bernard so he obviously knows we lack another winger. I know we have a lot of wingers out but Pod looks like a cross between winger/striker, and Chambo gets injured a lot.

Gnabry has come on a couple of times and changed our game for the better. With CM's out wide we lack any real pace and width. I hope he's thinking about buying one although someone like Suarez could play off the left with Giroud up top. Maybe that's what he prefers.

[Ollie the Optimist]

we went and spent 40 million on a genuine world class player and some people are moaning? jesus christ

[Xhaka Can’t]

What? :blink:

When did I become the chairman? :unsure:

I for one, welcome our new Overlord. :bow:

[Ollie the Optimist]

The Independent today said that Moyes was justified in not signing Ozil based on yesterdays performance.


Ignoring the fact Ozil was ill, this is the same united who earlier in the season went 2 months without scoring from open play. our media are stupid

[Power n Glory]

Reading that has just pissed me off! I really hope we prove a lot of people wrong this year.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wouldn't worry about the media, they are in the "we told you so", stage regarding Arsenal at the moment. They'll seamlessly transit into the "we told you first, Arsenal will win it", stage when it becomes necessary. For me, every day the Daily Mail isn't running a picture of their entire staff sucking the queen's tits is a good (and unexpected) day.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I just read that article. It is so packed full of drivel it would stand out as embarrassing on Redcafe.

[Marc Overmars]

I've deliberately avoided most media outlets today, it was incredibly obvious they were waiting for us to slip up to continue the narrative they have created for us.

[Munchies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfTANf9EDeY

Just saw this :bow:

[Maestro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfTANf9EDeY

Just saw this :bow:


ludicrous amount of chances he's created, that have simply been wasted by inept finishing

[IBK]

IMO - Ozil is difficult to categorize. With his price tag, IMO people are entitled to point out that in terms of individuality he has underwhelmed (with his reputation, I can understand the argument that he hasn't so far been an obvious solo game-changer). But - and this is important - he has been an incredible catalyst for our team in a number of ways. First there are his assists. Undoubtedly, he has turned the result of a number of our games simply by providing one or two sublime passes - even if he has otherwise been fairly anonymous. Secondly, he has given our whole team a lift simply by joining us. He has made our players believe that we can be winners, and that our team and manager have ambition.

Most importantly - he has clearly inspired our other players. Lets make no mistake, for the last few years we have had the talent - but we have been characterised by not fulfilling our potential. Suddenly, we are doing so, and the likes of Ramsey; Giroud; Rosicky and now Wilshere are flourishing and playing to their potential. In a sense, lifting the other players in a team is even more important than being an individual game changer in the mold of a Rooney, a Bale or a Suarez. Football is a team game, and wherever Ozil goes from here, IMO he has been the catalyst for our team. That alone justifies his purchase.

[Maestro]

a real inspiration, frustrating sometimes but just pure quality when he's on it. definitely happy we have him

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Actually the winger point is a decent one and I think it needs to be addressed. He went for Bernard so he obviously knows we lack another winger. I know we have a lot of wingers out but Pod looks like a cross between winger/striker, and Chambo gets injured a lot.

Gnabry has come on a couple of times and changed our game for the better. With CM's out wide we lack any real pace and width. I hope he's thinking about buying one although someone like Suarez could play off the left with Giroud up top. Maybe that's what he prefers.

The role arouses interesting debate. I think this is ideally how the role is to be played in a 433 in the game as it is now. I think what has worked against Podolski is Wenger's reservations about his fitness but the beauty of the role to my mind is really the scope to transition from provider/supplier to finisher.

Robben does it well for Munich.

[IBK]

a real inspiration, frustrating sometimes but just pure quality when he's on it. definitely happy we have him

As things have sharpened up he has become almost anonymous when not 'on it' and doesn't seem to have been on it for a while.

This isn't a gripe at the player - but most teams spending 42M would be entitled to expect a game changer - the quality player that makes a difference when you need him. Ain't seeing much of that yet, if I'm honest.

[selassie]

As things have sharpened up he has become almost anonymous when not 'on it' and doesn't seem to have been on it for a while.

This isn't a gripe at the player - but most teams spending 42M would be entitled to expect a game changer - the quality player that makes a difference when you need him. Ain't seeing much of that yet, if I'm honest.

Yep, I said this the other week and a few posters jumped down my throat.

Ozil is a great player but...I don't really ever think he's going to be running games for us or be seen as a dominant force, he certainly won't be dominating the big games IMHO.

I think once he settles down and gets used to PL and the team, he will efficiently go about his business and provide a platform for others to shine.

Ozil is not enough for this team to make the jump from challengers to winners, I think at the very least we need a striker of Ozil's calibre to see the best out of Ozil and Arsenal as a team.

[Heisenberg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh-k7Lt-FVw

Assuming that's everything so far, he has 9 assists and 5 goals. He has also made numerous chances that haven't been taken. On the whole I remain pleased with signing him. Now, as to his affect on the team, it appears evident that Özil is not the sort of player who will boss a game and dictate it from midfield. For what we paid for him, this seems a little disappointing. However, as a wise man* once said, "all the pieces matter"; Özil just creates chances, it's what he does. That's what his role in the team is. We need other players to supplement this ability, just as other players will flourish if they have someone like Özil constantly making the passes that lead to goals. I remember when AC Milan were dangerous a few years ago that their success was largely based on the combination of Pirlo and Kaka. Kaka mostly took the plaudits but his effectiveness was dependent on Pirlo dictating the pace of the game slightly further back.


*Lester Freeman, in The Wire, top show, btw

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal playmaker Mesut Ozil wins Germany player of the year award
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/arsenal-playmaker-mesut-ozil-wins-germany-player-of-the-year-award-9047409.html

[JonasTC]

Cannot be! He's not been good enough for Arsenal. Must be what he did in Madrid... :d

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The thing about Ozil, his price tag and the according level of expectation is that most teams who spend in that region for a player, are usually buying a centre a forward. A centre forward at that price is usually a proven goal scorer. Even if he doesn't get a single assist, most will be happy because of his goal record.

Consequently Ozil is going to get compared to some of the best forwards in the world even though he isn't one himself. I agree to an extent that he will ostensibly be appearing to justify the price tag once we have one or two players in the team that are clinical with their chances.

[Power n Glory]

It's not the goals for me. It's the level of influence he has on our overall play and the lack of authority that probably has people concerned. It's early days and without referencing rival players and other leagues, I'm thinking of the way Cesc and Rosicky make their presence known on the pitch. Conductors of the midfield but Ozil isn't that sort of player. Even if he isn't that sort of player, at least individual brilliance like when Arshavin first arrived and could be asked or when Nasri was playing for his contract. Even Cazorla's first season, you see the class when he was up on his game. I've yet to see that from Ozil and we're expecting a lot more from him. I'm hoping he comes to life in this second half of the season.

[Syn]

He has never been a player who takes the game by the scruff of the neck. And I don't know what you mean by individual brilliance but it comes in different forms than a flashy trick. And his influence is far greater than someone like Flamini even though he doesn't shout and point all the time. His off the ball movement is fantastic, he's always able to find space and you have assurance he's going to play the best option 9 times out of 10. With that, he raises everyone else's game and less moves break down. Goals and assists are a really poor measure of his contribution even though he will almost certainly top the assists chart at the end of the season. He's been a part of a team that's top of the table so he has made a decent start.

But I guess he came here because Wenger gave him the big sell of how Ozil could grab the headlines, so for fantasy football obsessives I expect a lot more goals from him. We don't have many runners in our team but Ozil knows how to do it - at least for Germany. Just a bit more composure needed, as was the case for Ramsey.

The big problem for him has been adjusting to the physical side of the great English game, but maybe he has toughened up a bit by now. Should be interesting to see how he gets on now he has had his winter break.

[Niall_Quinn]

Guy has already had a Bergkamp effect that has transformed the fortunes of the club, not single handedly but he's the catalyst. His mere presence rewrites the script, we were a selling club and rapidly becoming a feeder club, now we're buying £42mill superstars from Madrid, reversing the flow so to speak. Can't ask for any more than that in the short time he's been here, but the great thing about this player is he'll be even better when he's got a season in the PL under his belt. Only thing that might destroy it is injury (fingers crossed) or fans forgetting where we were just a few months ago and taking shit for granted (but that would never happen).

[Power n Glory]

He has never been a player who takes the game by the scruff of the neck. And I don't know what you mean by individual brilliance but it comes in different forms than a flashy trick. And his influence is far greater than someone like Flamini even though he doesn't shout and point all the time. His off the ball movement is fantastic, he's always able to find space and you have assurance he's going to play the best option 9 times out of 10. With that, he raises everyone else's game and less moves break down. Goals and assists are a really poor measure of his contribution even though he will almost certainly top the assists chart at the end of the season. He's been a part of a team that's top of the table so he has made a decent start.

But I guess he came here because Wenger gave him the big sell of how Ozil could grab the headlines, so for fantasy football obsessives I expect a lot more goals from him. We don't have many runners in our team but Ozil knows how to do it - at least for Germany. Just a bit more composure needed, as was the case for Ramsey.

The big problem for him has been adjusting to the physical side of the great English game, but maybe he has toughened up a bit by now. Should be interesting to see how he gets on now he has had his winter break.

When he's hit form, we'll revisit this but I don't believe for a minute this is all he capable of. He's been good in flashes and anonymous in big games. It's not the player I remember catching my eye when he arrived on the scene for Germany. There is more to come and we've already seen flashes of great performances like vs Napoli but that's it.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VywOgIzJnI0

There is more to come.

[Syn]

When he's hit form, we'll revisit this but I don't believe for a minute this is all he capable of. He's been good in flashes and anonymous in big games. It's not the player I remember catching my eye when he arrived on the scene for Germany. There is more to come and we've already seen flashes of great performances like vs Napoli but that's it.

Fair enough, he has definitely had his fair share of below-par performances and I agree that there's more to come. But I guess my point was that some his good performances get overlooked just because it's not as noticeable as scoring a goal or making a crunching tackle. His influence isn't going to be like an all action Gerrard or Rooney. The only thing I can think of - that he has shown for Germany but not for Arsenal - is pace. He is normally rapid but we haven't seen that yet. Again, maybe adapting to new fitness levels.

[Power n Glory]

The arrogance and audacity may come later but he hasn't really tried to take on his man and drive at the defence here. I'm not expecting all action which is why I'd point to Rosicky and Cesc. I remember before Cesc started scoring and assisting like a mad man, his game was subtle but he moved the ball around the pitch well. Very intelligent play. Rosicky doesn't score or assist much but I always love seeing him do the simple things, like pick up the ball deep in midfield, swivel to lose a marker and create an angle for the pass, then fire it off so we're on a quick attack. Ozil is very different from a deep laying playmaker and if he plays in spurts, I'd rather see him adopt a more selfish direct approach instead of the odd flick and lay off for someone else to latch on to. But I'm sure we will see more from him.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Guy has already had a Bergkamp effect that has transformed the fortunes of the club, not single handedly but he's the catalyst. His mere presence rewrites the script, we were a selling club and rapidly becoming a feeder club, now we're buying £42mill superstars from Madrid, reversing the flow so to speak. Can't ask for any more than that in the short time he's been here, but the great thing about this player is he'll be even better when he's got a season in the PL under his belt. Only thing that might destroy it is injury (fingers crossed) or fans forgetting where we were just a few months ago and taking shit for granted (but that would never happen).

:gp:

Nothing more needs to said.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Anyone ever thought that he's playing with little bit handbrake on because the WC is near? Regardless of this probability, his influence has been immense, so much so that an entire team have raised their game and competing with the very expensively assembled squads.

There's more to come from him, lads, as he can only get better as he adjusts to a new League and a team with less outlets than what he's used to.

Little bit patience, please.

[Niall_Quinn]

Or Wenger has him playing to strict instructions, which I think is likely. Ozil is doing two things very well right now, keeping it exceptionally simple and therefore retaining possession and momentum, and his off the ball work is creating tons of space for other players, which could roughly be translated as making others around him play better. It's simple, simple stuff but achieved at a rate of 90% and it makes an overall difference to our game. Plus Giroud, as effective as he is in some respects, is probably not the ideal target for the type of play Ozil used to put in when working with Ronaldo. I guess some people want to see him "justify" his £40mill tag by running the length of the field every five minutes and rounding the keeper, or blasting it in from the halfway line. That's not and never has been his job. The job he's doing now is more than good enough, although against the better teams his efforts haven't been as effective because those teams have better players. The Utd game is the only fly in that ointment, we lost that one in our heads before we lost it on the pitch. Should have been a straightforward three points but we bottled it. I think we'll murder them in the return though.

EDIT: this is in reply to a post that has since departed.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone ever thought that he's playing with little bit handbrake on because the WC is near?

Hadn't thought of that but you may have a point. He knows he's coming into an agricultural environment where boots and shovels and ploughs and all sorts of shit smashes around the place and flies in the air, so maybe he's a little defensive in his approach.

[Power n Glory]

Or Wenger has him playing to strict instructions, which I think is likely. Ozil is doing two things very well right now, keeping it exceptionally simple and therefore retaining possession and momentum, and his off the ball work is creating tons of space for other players, which could roughly be translated as making others around him play better. It's simple, simple stuff but achieved at a rate of 90% and it makes an overall difference to our game. Plus Giroud, as effective as he is in some respects, is probably not the ideal target for the type of play Ozil used to put in when working with Ronaldo. I guess some people want to see him "justify" his £40mill tag by running the length of the field every five minutes and rounding the keeper, or blasting it in from the halfway line. That's not and never has been his job. The job he's doing now is more than good enough, although against the better teams his efforts haven't been as effective because those teams have better players. The Utd game is the only fly in that ointment, we lost that one in our heads before we lost it on the pitch. Should have been a straightforward three points but we bottled it. I think we'll murder them in the return though.

That's what I don't accept. An argument that suggests he's not capable of doing more. We haven't seen anything yet and if you're excited now, just wait until he's operating on full throttle. It's been tidy and neat so far.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's what I don't accept. An argument that suggests he's not capable of doing more. We haven't seen anything yet and if you're excited now, just wait until he's operating on full throttle. It's been tidy and neat so far.

I love the way he's been playing so far, I think we may need to add a couple of players around him to squeeze the maximum. RvJudas would have been great - what a stupid twat of a bloke to piss off just as the tide was coming back.

[Power n Glory]

We need a better striker but I think he just needs to adapt to the league and just start bossing things. Take his man, go for the shot...he's not the tika taka type and I'm slightly worried he's going down that path and won't try the outrageous. But...it's very early days and his teammates need to learn how to find him and get him the ball.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is why I suggest Wenger has had a word and has asked him to play in a certain way. It does feel at times he's holding back and selecting the simplest option at all costs. But that works too.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I've not often been concerned with him and PGtips' clip has got me excited about having him all over again but there have been a few things that have been out of character.

In a few games he has been giving the ball away or running into blind alleys and not doing much which is uncharacteristic of him but as most agree, he is adapting to a new league and there is much more to come from him. I think Wenger is famously very loose and restrained with his instructions to attacking players in regards to how they attack so I would be surprised if anything Wenger has said has subdued too much. I think he very much observes that the positions he takes up is all part of Ozil's natural instinct as a player too.

It is actually nice that we haven't just got a player in who's so brilliant we become over reliant on him immediately and who all his team mates are in awe of. I think he has come here and thought.... gosh some of these lads can play! I bet he thinks that about Ramsey, who he would have known a lot less about before he got here.

[IBK]

When he's hit form, we'll revisit this but I don't believe for a minute this is all he capable of. He's been good in flashes and anonymous in big games. It's not the player I remember catching my eye when he arrived on the scene for Germany. There is more to come and we've already seen flashes of great performances like vs Napoli but that's it.

This. He's better than we've seen and he knows it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Hadn't thought of that but you may have a point. He knows he's coming into an agricultural environment where boots and shovels and ploughs and all sorts of shit smashes around the place and flies in the air, so maybe he's a little defensive in his approach.

Enough about India. What about Brazil?

[Kano]

This is why I suggest Wenger has had a word and has asked him to play in a certain way. It does feel at times he's holding back and selecting the simplest option at all costs. But that works too.
I utterly buy into the idea that the purchase of this guy has upped the games of several players around him. It's human nature. Particularly amongst men. You work in a team and this God like figure arrives and dependant on his personality it goes either two ways. Thankfully Ozil doesn't appear to be a cock so everyone else has been inspired by his presence. Sure, he hasn't been the edited £40m+ Youtube FIFA +90 master he was hyped as by those who didnt watch him in La Liga but he has been absolutely integral to this surprising season so far.

[AFC Leveller]

He's probably done more of the pitch than on it but i think there is a lot more to come from him. He's been a bit below part in the big games and has looked timid/lost in some games but his talent is there for all to see.

[Maestro]

Love his talent but he needs to hold the bench right now, desperately

[McNamara That Ghost...]

He had a stinker mostly but we wouldn't have opened Villa up without him.

[Marc Overmars]

Cazorla is the one who needs to sort his life out at the moment not Mesut Hleb.

[Power n Glory]

He's playing like a complete pussy and passenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

And setting up goals.

[Power n Glory]

As said, he's capable of more and that was below par. But...first game back after a while.

[IBK]

He's probably done more of the pitch than on it but i think there is a lot more to come from him. He's been a bit below part in the big games and has looked timid/lost in some games but his talent is there for all to see.

Bottom line is we haven;t seen 42M worth from him yet. Its slightly underwhelming, but given his indirect boost to the team I will judge his a season in. Did anyone expect a Wenger big signing not to take time to shine? I believed the hype but on reflection I can't recall any Wenger transfer being astounding from the word go.

[Ollie the Optimist]

i think only arsenal fans could moan that we never sign anyone or spend any money, then sign a world class player and moan about him.

hes a magican. look at his pass to monreal last night for the first goal. he's world class but he's our world class player

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

i think only arsenal fans could moan that we never sign anyone or spend any money, then sign a world class player and moan about him.

hes a magican. look at his pass to monreal last night for the first goal. he's world class but he's our world class player

He's elevated a squad from 4th to title contenders. Only idiots would say he's been a disappointment.

[JonasTC]

IT DOESNT MATTER, BECAUSE HE HASNT PLAYED LIKE A 42M SIGNIN!!11 We should atleast win the league without losing any games, so until that happends Özil hasnt been doing his work because he cost 42m

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

IT DOESNT MATTER, BECAUSE HE HASNT PLAYED LIKE A 42M SIGNIN!!11 We should atleast win the league without losing any games, so until that happends Özil hasnt been doing his work because he cost 42m

Charlie logic :bow:

[Maestro]

met mesut's brother at my workplace today, spooky. same bulging nemo eyes. told him his bro needs to buck up, we need much more for 42mil :threaten:

[Syn]

met mesut's brother at my workplace today, spooky. same bulging nemo eyes. told him his bro needs to buck up, we need much more for 42mil :threaten:

Interesting. Any more details?

[Maestro]

Interesting. Any more details?

nuh not really, he was a little cocky and chatty until my throwaway comment. he did'nt look too impressed at that point lol! ...he just went wait till you see him, wait till you see him later in the season

he represents mesut so was in for a meeting with one of the senior partners in our sports law dept. ducked and left sharpish before the partner turned up :run:

he was alright to be fair to him, some of these fucks won't give you the time of day

[Syn]

nuh not really, he was a little cocky and chatty until my throwaway comment. he did'nt look too impressed at that point lol! ...he just went wait till you see him, wait till you see him later in the season

he represents mesut so was in for a meeting with one of the senior partners in our sports law dept. ducked and left sharpish before the partner turned up :run:

he was alright to be fair to him, some of these fucks won't give you the time of day

Cool. :good:

[Ollie the Optimist]

met mesut's brother at my workplace today, spooky. same bulging nemo eyes. told him his bro needs to buck up, we need much more for 42mil :threaten:

i doubt you actually said that but if you did, you're a dick :good:

[Maestro]

i doubt you actually said that but if you did, you're a dick :good:

not said negatively at all, but in banter mode and he was quite game. he reckons arsenal are going places, understands the pressure/expectation of the high transfer fee, but believes his bro will certainly get better as the season progresses ..in fact he was certain of that. overall seemed like nice normal bloke with time for a chat.

however seeing that you weren't actually there and didn't get the context of the conversation, but were so ready to call me a dick ...then you're fuckin' cunt, if i am indeed that dick

thanks

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I suppose that suggests Mesut's brother also believes he is below par.....

[Maestro]

I suppose that suggests Mesut's brother also believes he is below par.....

the way he spoke i believe so, and points to him settling in and adjusting to everything english including the football/rugby. i guess we're just so desperate to win something now and having paid double our previous transfer record for him, the decks were always stacked against mesut to be honest

[Syn]

I suppose that suggests Mesut's brother also believes he is below par.....

Also sounds like brother Ozil couldn't hold down a job of his own and so works for mezzy. What a loser!

- internet poaster.

[Maestro]

Also sounds like brother Ozil couldn't hold down a job of his own and so works for mezzy. What a loser!

- internet poaster.

keep it in the family, lol. works as his advisor and ...wait for it ..."chief executive officer of his agency Ozil Marketing GmbH".

[Marc Overmars]

To be honest if my brother was a top footballer I'd want to mooch off him as well.

[Syn]

To be honest if my brother was a top footballer I'd want to mooch off him as well.

Yeah me too. But what if you were Ozil's brother?

Lol. #42mdownthedrain11!!!

[Maestro]

To be honest if my brother was a top footballer I'd want to mooch off him as well.

and likewise if you were a top footballer you'd make sure your family was set. his brother actually only recently took over the role from the dad, who recently "retired". i think one of his sisters also has a role in the ozil franchise

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

You're doing what bruv?.......tell your boss to kiss my ass and make his own tea......

Makes sense.

[JonasTC]

Well since they're forced to have agents and other bloodsuckers like that, they might aswell give the money to their family instead.

[Power n Glory]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1932375-why-arsenals-mesut-ozil-will-win-the-ballon-dor-in-2014

Interesting.

[Marc Overmars]

We'd have to win the league and CL for Mesut Hleb to even be considered for the award, not to mention a strong performance from Germany at the World Cup. Even then people would baulk at the thought of a player from a tinpot club like Arsenal winning it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's been a failure


















:haha:

[JonasTC]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1932375-why-arsenals-mesut-ozil-will-win-the-ballon-dor-in-2014

Interesting.

Sooo... We bought the assist king of the world, and so far he apperently have created most goal-scoring chances in europe(the world?) and people still say he hasnt done enough.

Didnt know that he was germanys top goalscorer in the qualification, if he can add that to his game here at arsenal, i can see him reaching the ballon d'or one day.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil's shit. Arsenal are shit. We all know this.

[Power n Glory]

Sooo... We bought the assist king of the world, and so far he apperently have created most goal-scoring chances in europe(the world?) and people still say he hasnt done enough.

Didnt know that he was germanys top goalscorer in the qualification, if he can add that to his game here at arsenal, i can see him reaching the ballon d'or one day.

A fair point from Wenger. Expectation levels are high but he also added this.


[Goalscoring] is one of the things he can add to his game for sure. It doesn't need to be criticised, it needs to be encouraged.



He is 25, he can only get better. The best years are coming for him now.

It's his first season, he's not used to the winter break, so I'm hoping he'll get better. Wenger already said once that there was room for improvement and that he's adapting. He also said this a while back.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/445063/Mesut-Ozil-is-yet-to-hit-his-best-form-at-Arsenal-says-Arsene-Wenger

“First of all he is a hugely talented player. he is just arrived here three months ago and overall did not have the best of preparations for the league.


“He is a young player, he is 25 years old so of course there is a lot of room for improvement for him.

“We have plenty of players who can take the ball and play you know because he plays in the central part of the pitch the ball goes through him. But we don’t put any special responsibility on him. Maybe he feels a bit more pressure to do that. We just want the game to be played like we see it and do not put any special responsibility on him.”

I've also heard that he's had mixed reviews in Germany so far. To add a bit of balance to the argument, he hasn't been a flop but this isn't his best and we need him to push on and not be content with what he's currently doing. He's capable of more and as that article points out, for Germany he really shines and that's the player I remember. There are subtle parts of his game, such as the unorthodox movement around the pitch, but he's got another level which we haven't seen.

[selassie]

A fair point from Wenger. Expectation levels are high but he also added this.

It's his first season, he's not used to the winter break, so I'm hoping he'll get better. Wenger already said once that there was room for improvement and that he's adapting. He also said this a while back.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/445063/Mesut-Ozil-is-yet-to-hit-his-best-form-at-Arsenal-says-Arsene-Wenger

“First of all he is a hugely talented player. he is just arrived here three months ago and overall did not have the best of preparations for the league.

I've also heard that he's had mixed reviews in Germany so far. To add a bit of balance to the argument, he hasn't been a flop but this isn't his best and we need him to push on and not be content with what he's currently doing. He's capable of more and as that article points out, for Germany he really shines and that's the player I remember. There are subtle parts of his game, such as the unorthodox movement around the pitch, but he's got another level which we haven't seen.

This.

I think he maybe has another couple of levels in him and I can't wait till he start performly regularly at a high level.

He has settled in well, has had some very good games, some good, some bad, maybe one awful game.

He's contributing though and we all know what he is capable of. He will be a star for us IMHO.

[the non-flying dutchman]

If this went in I'm pretty sure that a lot of Mesut's detractors would be singing his praises:
http://giant.gfycat.com/CarelessBarrenFlamingo.gif

[JonasTC]

I can watch that .gif all day

Özil :cloud9:

[Özim]

If this went in I'm pretty sure that a lot of Mesut's detractors would be singing his praises:
http://giant.gfycat.com/CarelessBarrenFlamingo.gif

That's Ozil at his best, he's a top class player.

The problem is IMO that our game doesn't suit him at the moment, he's perfect in a team that counter attacks as he's run with real pace and purpose but we are sluggish to get forward which nullify's a big part of his game, he can still create but it's foolish not to use a player of his class to his full potential IMO.

I remember him playing for Germany in 2010, he was terrifyingly good, but Germany were a counter attacking side that made the most of his talents.

[selassie]

That's Ozil at his best, he's a top class player.

The problem is IMO that our game doesn't suit him at the moment, he's perfect in a team that counter attacks as he's run with real pace and purpose but we are sluggish to get forward which nullify's a big part of his game, he can still create but it's foolish not to use a player of his class to his full potential IMO.

I remember him playing for Germany in 2010, he was terrifyingly good, but Germany were a counter attacking side that made the most of his talents.

This

:gp:

[Power n Glory]

Hard to disagree. Flourished in Mourinho's Madrid and he sets his teams up to counter with pace. Quick transitions. This kid is deceptively quick and can dribble. Way ore than just a tip tap pass in the final third player. I'm almost thinking we need to play him on the left just to get that direct sort of play from him. He moves with such freedom in the centre and usually leaves the middle vacant anyway and drifts over to the left.

What the heck has happened to our counter attacks anyway? We should be hitting teams on the break with pace since we defend so deep and allow teams more possession of the ball than usual.

[BOBN]

If this went in I'm pretty sure that a lot of Mesut's detractors would be singing his praises:
http://giant.gfycat.com/CarelessBarrenFlamingo.gif

Sorry? It was a deflection! If it went it yes we'd be praising him...as the luckiest German since the ratlines :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

I think people are getting excited because he didn't have a mattress strapped to his back, like our other players that night.

[Power n Glory]

A chunk of stories on the under performing Ozil. Here are some examples. He's coming under the spotlight and needs to really get it together over the coming weeks.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/poor-anonymous-happened-mesut-ozil-122637109.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2555074/Wheres-Ozil-He-meant-Arsenals-42-5m-saviour-just-four-touches-half-Saturday-fans-wish-signed-Coutinho-instead.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1954456-assessing-mesut-zils-contribution-for-arsenal-so-far

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1954567-can-arsenal-afford-to-leave-out-midfielder-mesut-ozil-vs-manchester-united

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Özil looks like he doesn't want to be here - his glum disposition being the main indicator here. He just seems like he can't really be arsed to put in a proper shift.

I could be wrong, but I think he was forced out of Madrid and ended up here because we seemed the only side willing to match their asking price at last minute.

That being said, as much as it's only fair for any player leaving Madrid to consider the move a step down - especially moving to us - he's already here and as such needs to get with the flow or face the possibility of warming the bench for a few games. £42.5 mil is not exactly chicken feed. Therefore he needs to start giving performances that justify his hefty price tag.

[Niall_Quinn]

No he doesn't, he needs to ignore all those cunt leeches who make their living talking shit about the game. What he needs to do is a Ramsey. Ignore it all and just get on with integrating with the team and upping his performances.

[Power n Glory]

It really makes no sense for him to feel that way. We were top of the table up until the Liverpool game. He has a massive chance to show Madrid what they're missing and to be a massive star. Ronnie was taking all the headlines for Madrid.

[Niall_Quinn]

Would we be more comfortable had Ozil been smiling and joking about when he was subbed and the team was being thrashed?

[Niall_Quinn]

A chunk of stories on the under performing Ozil. Here are some examples. He's coming under the spotlight and needs to really get it together over the coming weeks.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/poor-anonymous-happened-mesut-ozil-122637109.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2555074/Wheres-Ozil-He-meant-Arsenals-42-5m-saviour-just-four-touches-half-Saturday-fans-wish-signed-Coutinho-instead.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1954456-assessing-mesut-zils-contribution-for-arsenal-so-far

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1954567-can-arsenal-afford-to-leave-out-midfielder-mesut-ozil-vs-manchester-united



The fact that he was subbed off after an hour as part of a triple substitution from Arsene Wenger would support any claim that Ozil was not contributing to the match, as does his Squawka Performance Score of -27. Only two Arsenal players out of the 14 who played scored worse, goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny with -36 and Olivier Giroud with -39.

LOL, proves how useful their "Squawka Performance Score" is - Ches the second worst player! LOL - arseholes.

[Power n Glory]

Would we be more comfortable had Ozil been smiling and joking about when he was subbed and the team was being thrashed?

That's irrelevant. The focus is on his performance and there isn't a single news story talking about his reaction to being subbed. He should be unhappy with his performances.

[Niall_Quinn]

We did this sort of shit with Ramsey. Now we are all lamenting him being injured, vital player for us apparently. If Ozil had cost 50p everyone would be on the back of the next most expensive signing. Nobody played on Saturday, singling out the link man in a team where there was nothing to link to makes no sense. No way am I jumping on this bandwagon.

[Power n Glory]

We did this sort of shit with Ramsey. Now we are all lamenting him being injured, vital player for us apparently. If Ozil had cost 50p everyone would be on the back of the next most expensive signing. Nobody played on Saturday, singling out the link man in a team where there was nothing to link to makes no sense. No way am I jumping on this bandwagon.


Then hope off. There is a huge difference between analysing and discussing a performance over a complete write off.

Plenty of scope to talking about his playing style, where he's going wrong, what players he's suited with and what he needs to improve on. Most of the articles posted are balanced and there isn't anything OT on there.

[Niall_Quinn]

The media is a 7 day event, one week they'll say one thing and the next they are entirely happy to contradict themselves on every "sensational" point they previously "exclusively" revealed. It's a shitty hype factory designed to attract attention, not discuss football in a meaningful way. It's unedifying to see the fans chasing after each hot topic shit out by the media whores. They are into Ozil right now because he cost £40mill, that's the whole thrust of their story. I'd rather be thinking about where we went wrong as a team and how we can fix that, rather than looking at fantasy quick-fixes such as making a scapegoat of Ozil. Why did Liverpool rip the defence apart almost at will? Because of Ozil? The media is expert at taking the complexity out of everything and reducing it to simple concepts that focus around celebrity rather than substance. You've listened to those asshole journos on Sunday Supplement I suppose? Fucking arseholes, change their tune every 5 minutes and do it with a frank and self satisfied expression on thri faces as if they know shit about shit. They know how to flog chip wrappers, that's it, there's nothing more to see or learn from them.

[Power n Glory]

The media is a 7 day event, one week they'll say one thing and the next they are entirely happy to contradict themselves on every "sensational" point they previously "exclusively" revealed. It's a shitty hype factory designed to attract attention, not discuss football in a meaningful way. It's unedifying to see the fans chasing after each hot topic shit out by the media whores. They are into Ozil right now because he cost £40mill, that's the whole thrust of their story. I'd rather be thinking about where we went wrong as a team and how we can fix that, rather than looking at fantasy quick-fixes such as making a scapegoat of Ozil. Why did Liverpool rip the defence apart almost at will? Because of Ozil? The media is expert at taking the complexity out of everything and reducing it to simple concepts that focus around celebrity rather than substance. You've listened to those asshole journos on Sunday Supplement I suppose? Fucking arseholes, change their tune every 5 minutes and do it with a frank and self satisfied expression on thri faces as if they know shit about shit. They know how to flog chip wrappers, that's it, there's nothing more to see or learn from them.

You need to get over the media paranoia and just read some of the analysis. You'd understand part of the reason why Liverpool ripped through us if you read what was said or just watched his performance on the pitch. I've been saying for a while that Ozil is under performing and it would soon come under the spotlight. It's not just from what I've read last week.

His positioning, lack of defence work and reluctance to take on his man are some of the key points discussed in some these articles. It's worth discussing whether he needs a player like Rosicky supporting him in the middle for all the times he floats to the flanks and into the final third. If you look at the daily mail chart, it shows the hot spots where he receives the ball and the fact that he only received the ball 4 times in our own half of the pitch. I've noticed that a lot and part of his game is to leave the centre and float to the flanks to receive the ball. With Jack pushing up field and never looking to anchor the centre it leaves a gaping hole. We need a central figure to just control the tempo, put in a solid defence shift but support the attack. With Ramsey out injured, Rosicky could be that guy.

Or maybe we shift Ozil out to the right and get Cazorla playing in the middle. I don't know. But Ozil looks to be struggling and we're not getting the best out of him. He needs to step his game up in a major way and it may also help to try different players in positions.

[Marc Overmars]

Need some movement to get the best out of Mesut Hleb, at Madrid he had a wave of players who would make runs for him, but here has fuck all. Now I'm not excusing his apparent lazy approach, but his key skill is passing and an assister is only as good as the player who makes the run for him.

[Niall_Quinn]

I read them and anyone who thinks pointing out the lack of substance in the media is paranoia is really reaching. Main thing I noticed about the DM over the last couple of days is their hilarious "Where's Ozil?" graphic. Sophisticated, informative, a display of their boundless expertise. Sagna and Monreal should drop Ozil a few quid for taking the heat, so should either Wenger or Bould, whoever is responsible for the defensive strategy on Saturday. And the main guys in the middle for barely showing up. And Giroud for being static. And so on. Ozil was what, 1/11 of the problem? But the hysteria gets inflated with the transfer fee, so swap him for Rosicky and suddenly everything falls into place. Simple solutions.

[Özim]

Need some movement to get the best out of Mesut Hleb, at Madrid he had a wave of players who would make runs for him, but here has fuck all. Now I'm not excusing his apparent lazy approach, but his key skill is passing and an assister is only as good as the player who makes the run for him.

He's a great runner with the ball, if you look back at Germany in 2010 you could see just how good he was at that, running at speed with the ball and delivering pinpoint passes is his strength, when you have a team who move the ball as slowly as we do and who's idea of running is a 5 yard jog forward you start to see the problem.

He's a quality player, but if your going to play in a way that nullify's his strengths it was kinda pointless signing him in the 1st place.

[Penguin]

Yeah I agree with Marc and Ozim. I've been saying from day one that we aren't making the most out of Ozil and that we are wasting his best talent - his vision and passing. For Real Madrid and Germany they counter with pace, get the ball to Ozil early and have two or three runners busting a gut to get forward beyond the lines. That's the situation that Ozil excels in and where he's most dangerous. He didn't get the title 'assist king' for nothing, and that was in the same league as Xavi, Iniesta and Cesc.

Now look at how he plays for us and you'll see that whenever he gets the ball the opponents have already got men back because our build up is so slow. And even when we do get a good counter attacking opportunity there's nobody to pass to because we have a sluggish Giroud upfront, who always moves towards the ball rather than behind the defence anyway, Cazorla on the left who is often behind Ozil or drifting somewhere in the central areas, leaving only one target (usually in Theo) which makes it predictable and easier to defend against. I like Ox and Gnabry but they dont offer the same threat in behind as Theo. It's even worse when Wenger dumps Wilshere/Ramsey/Rosicky out wide.

I'm not making excuses for Ozil who has been well below par. But it's annoying to see us throw £42m on a player and not even make the most of him. It's like Stoke buying Messi only to long ball to him all game.

[AFC Leveller]

Yeah I agree with Marc and Ozim. I've been saying from day one that we aren't making the most out of Ozil and that we are wasting his best talent - his vision and passing. For Real Madrid and Germany they counter with pace, get the ball to Ozil early and have two or three runners busting a gut to get forward beyond the lines. That's the situation that Ozil excels in and where he's most dangerous. He didn't get the title 'assist king' for nothing, and that was in the same league as Xavi, Iniesta and Cesc.

Now look at how he plays for us and you'll see that whenever he gets the ball the opponents have already got men back because our build up is so slow. And even when we do get a good counter attacking opportunity there's nobody to pass to because we have a sluggish Giroud upfront, who always moves towards the ball rather than behind the defence anyway, Cazorla on the left who is often behind Ozil or drifting somewhere in the central areas, leaving only one target (usually in Theo) which makes it predictable and easier to defend against. I like Ox and Gnabry but they dont offer the same threat in behind as Theo. It's even worse when Wenger dumps Wilshere/Ramsey/Rosicky out wide.

I'm not making excuses for Ozil who has been well below par. But it's annoying to see us throw £42m on a player and not even make the most of him. It's like Stoke buying Messi only to long ball to him all game.

Agree.

Im not Maureen's biggest fan but he was Ozil's manager for 3 years and he showed how to get the best out of him.Our current players like Cazorla, Giroud, Jack and even the Ox now dont make any runs and want it to feet.

Today will be another tight game i expect and unless we change things up, we'll see the same frsutrating slow football on show.

[selassie]

Need a big game from Mesut tonight, all the eyes will be on him given the slating he has got from the media recently.

At the very least I hope he improves his physical game, I really don't like the way he gets pushed off the ball so easily, that's one of my main gripes with him.

[Darknight02]

He's a great runner with the ball, if you look back at Germany in 2010 you could see just how good he was at that, running at speed with the ball and delivering pinpoint passes is his strength, when you have a team who move the ball as slowly as we do and who's idea of running is a 5 yard jog forward you start to see the problem.

He's a quality player, but if your going to play in a way that nullify's his strengths it was kinda pointless signing him in the 1st place.

Completely agree with this and Penguin and Marc.

Whilst when you get an opportunity to sign someone like this you absolutely can't turn it down.

But in the summer I was really hoping we'd sign Di Maria or another pacey flank player.

We have adequate players like Santi and Rosicky who can deliver a ball. And this season Ramsey's passing and vision have also been sublime.

Wenger compounded this problem in January not going for a winger.

Gnabry and Ox are both pacey but you look at both and you think they are more comfortable bursting through the middle than out wide from the flanks. And the problem that does to Ozil is that there are suddenly too many players in through the center for him to do anything about it.

Perfect example where his strength lies is Podolski's goal against Coventry. Not too sure many playmakers can be that quick with little space to time that pass to perfection to Podolski. But Ozil can.

Unfortunately biggest disappointment is that we are ridiculously unbalanced at the moment.

I hope Wenger can get it right.

[Darknight02]

Reading through this, it seems to be undeniable that fitness is likely to be the key issue here and it really does make sense. For those of us wondering where have those ridiculous balanced, controlled and precision runs disappeared to - here is possibly the answer?

I'm pretty sure AW will rest him for Saturday.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11670/9161356/why-is-ozil-fading

Amid the excitement that greeted his August arrival, Mesut Ozil felt like more than just another player. Here was a symbol of Arsenal's cash-rich future. This was a signing to sweep away the gloom of that opening day defeat to Aston Villa and carry the Gunners into the heart of a genuine title race. So it is somehow appropriate that Ozil's waning form should be intertwined with the team's fading dream of topping the Premier League table.

Things could hardly have started better with Ozil a conspicuously transformative figure in Arsenal's turnaround. An assist on debut at Sunderland was followed by two more on his home bow. Indeed, the seven chances created in that performance against Stoke remains the most by anyone at the Emirates Stadium so far this season. The German was widely regarded as the catalyst for a fine run of form that saw Arsenal win six and draw one of his first seven Premier League games for the club.

Wenger eyes response

Of course, statistics only tell part of the story. To see Ozil in action is art not science. Ballet, poetry, take your pick. There is the sublime touch and expert weight of pass. The serene movements as he glides around the pitch, barely seeming to leave an imprint on the turf. But the rhythm is not flowing as it once did. The end-product of goals and assists is proving a chore rather than an inevitable consequence of his brilliance. The question that needs answering is simple: "Why?"

Perhaps the starting point of the search for an explanation comes from looking back to Ozil's three-year stay at Real Madrid. The former Werder Bremen playmaker was a popular figure at the Bernabeu with supporters so incensed by talk of his sale that calls for him to stay at the club were even a feature of Gareth Bale's stage-managed welcoming party. Cristiano Ronaldo was candid in his belief that Ozil's exit would be a bad thing for both him and the team, while Jose Mourinho has been effusive in his praise of the player's efforts in the Spanish capital: The best No 10 in the world.

Negatives

And yet, while Ozil's status as a world-class player is not in dispute, there is a danger in airbrushing out the negatives. For all the talk of England's island mentality and suspicion of things from abroad, there is also a wide-eyed wonder when genuine superstars arrive on these shores. But to paint his time at Real as an unqualified success and his relationship with Mourinho as wholly positive, would be inaccurate. In fact, that was simply not the case.

Ozil endured a difficult start to the 2012/13 season at the Bernabeu, with his place under threat following the arrival of Luka Modric from Tottenham. Accused of being on the periphery of games when things weren't going to plan, he suffered the ignominy of being substituted at half time against Sevilla, Deportivo La Coruna and Real Betis in late 2012. When he did remain on the field, there was a tendency to fade late on in games and he rarely seemed in peak physical condition.
Fitness

Fitness is at the heart of this issue. "I can't believe there are players aged 23, 24, 25 or 26 who are unable to play twice in four days," Mourinho complained last season as relations with his Real Madrid players became particularly fraught. Ozil is unlikely to have been far from his thoughts. For all his qualities, like many precious things in this life, the attacking midfielder was a fragile creature. Perhaps that goes some way to explaining why he has become a fading force at Arsenal.

It is perfectly understandable why Arsene Wenger should have been tempted to race his prize stallion rather harder than Mourinho had elected to in Madrid. With Arsenal leading the way for much of the winter, the veteran boss has not felt in a position to subject his £42million signing to the squad rotation process. As a result, despite the assertion that Ozil has played 35 matches for club and country compared to 32 this time last season, that particular comparison is skewed.

Minutes rather than appearances are the currency that players' bodies must deal in. Ozil played 2036 of them in La Liga last season but has already racked up 1855 league minutes this time around. Crucially, he has played the full 90 minutes on 11 occasions for Arsenal so far this Premier League season. That's something he was never asked to do in any one of his three years under Mourinho at Real Madrid.

As a consequence, Ozil looks to be struggling. The physical demands of the Premier League are known to be significant and the Germany international is facing them for the first time. Unlike every other campaign of his career, there is no winter break to provide respite and a World Cup in Brazil looms large. The Opta tracking data that analyses distances covered as well as the speed and frequency of players' sprints, reveals a startling downturn in Ozil's high-intensity activity.

Back in October when Ozil scored twice in a 4-1 win over Norwich, the tracking data shows that he made 67 sprints during the game. In early November, he hit new heights with 71 sprints in a 2-0 home win over Liverpool that put the Gunners five points clear at the top of the Premier League table. However, Arsenal were beaten next time out against Manchester United and things haven't looked quite so rosy since. Ozil has not performed 50 sprints in a match since that Liverpool game.

Most alarmingly of all, the trend continues. Since Boxing Day, Ozil has not produced more than 40 sprints in a match with his tally of 27 in 84 minutes against Crystal Palace representing a new low. Against Liverpool on Saturday, he sprinted just 22 times before being substituted shortly after the hour mark. "He didn't have the best of games, but that can happen," said Wenger. "He works very hard to adapt to the physical level of the Premier League."

In truth, Ozil's overall distance covered in matches has remained at broadly similar levels. However, it is those intense runs at speed that are needed - both forward and back - to create the space when attacking or track the runner when defending. They are the movements that make the difference and they are precisely the ones that can become less frequent when a player is suffering from fatigue.
Questions

Suddenly new questions arise. Is there an attitude problem? What about that body language? How useful are 'assists per 90 minutes' stats when you can't complete a full game? Comments from the past can be revisited. "I think I know how to try to stop him being in the game for 90 minutes, with 90 minutes of direct influence on the match," said Mourinho in December. "Isco and Ozil have to learn how to defend. They must work defensively," said Carlo Ancelotti in the Autumn.

And yet, Ozil remains the same player and at 25 this should surely be regarded as a lull rather than anything approaching decline. The great players who thrill and delight should be cherished. Like the lover put on a pedestal, now Arsenal fans are getting the warts-and-all version. To misquote Marilyn Monroe, if you can't handle him at his worst, then you don't deserve him at his best. After all, as the evidence suggests, maybe Mesut Ozil just needs a rest?

[JonasTC]

I think Özil's performances are down to the players he have around him and the slow playstyle we for some reason have implemented, as many of you have already pointed out, Walcott is the only one that really fits together with Özil (and ofc he's dead in his first season here).

But as bad as many people call him out, he's still keeping up his average from his Madrid days. I just think people expected him to be the new jesus and therefor has been dissapointed in him. I have no doubt he will become a dominant figure for us, i just think he has to adjust to that role and it takes time, in Madrid he had dominant players around him and all he had to do was make awesome passes all day long.

I think we should all get behind him and support him, everything else will just work against him :)

[LDG]

Can't wait to see him next year.

Always takes a while to adjust for some players. Used to be the norm for foriegn players. Give them a year, then see the magic the next season.

He's done ok so far.

But it does take time to adjust to the physicality of the prem. Not necessarily in bulk strength.....it's about being able to go full pelt for 90 mins like Ramsey. Something most players struggle with to start with.....

Yaya Toure (in his first year at City) struggled.

I wouldn't say Hazard was epic last year.

Meh.

What do I know.

I want it now!! NOW!!

[BOBN]

Ozil is so poor that it makes me realise I was a little harsh on Fabregas at times. Top player him.

You could not handpick two lazier Germans than this guy and Podolski. Wenger exceedes hinself.

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL - one decent performance or even a couple of assists and the media and prawn sandwich brigade will be purring. These are the same people who say you have to judge things over a season yet then turn around and dismiss everything but the last appearance. It must be killing them we can go back to the top of the table with a win tonight - cruel fate, we should have been out of this by now so their moaning was underpinned by the facts rather than undermined. I really feel for them.

[JonasTC]

LOL - one decent performance or even a couple of assists and the media and prawn sandwich brigade will be purring. These are the same people who say you have to judge things over a season yet then turn around and dismiss everything but the last appearance. It must be killing them we can go back to the top of the table with a win tonight - cruel fate, we should have been out of this by now so their moaning was underpinned by the facts rather than undermined. I really feel for them.

Its probably the gossip-media that are paying off officials, they really dont like us :D

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not they don't like us, it's the fact they work with the sensational rather than substance. Substance is hard. Sensational is easy and better serves the 7 day chip wrapper cycle. Happily their whole industry is dying.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Ozil's shite. Swap him for Cleverly before kick off.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil's shite. Swap him for Cleverly before kick off.

Brunt is who we need.

[selassie]

Thought he played OK tonight. Still very shot shy though.

[Niall_Quinn]

Thought he played OK tonight. Still very shot shy though.

Still need Brunt.

[JonasTC]

You could see the problem he runs into alot today, he rushed forward with the ball and everyone just stays behind him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep, when you have such negative tactics then when one player goes forward the rest must rush back and brick up the goal.

[milla]

Ozil is so poor that it makes me realise I was a little harsh on Fabregas at times. Top player him.

You could not handpick two lazier Germans than this guy and Podolski. Wenger exceedes hinself.

Exactly how I feel. You can blame Cesc for not being defensive good but you can't blame his courage and determination to win. Perhaps Wenger is too soft and doesn't know how to motivate his players. :coffee:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The same Cesc belittled by Barcelona fans for the past two seasons? :unsure:

Ok so they have different standards to perform to but this revisionism does my head in.

Özil had a very good game tonight I thought.

[Marc Overmars]

Mesut Hleb was much better tonight but again there's only so much he can do when no one is savvy enough to make the runs.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

You could see the problem he runs into alot today, he rushed forward with the ball and everyone just stays behind him.

Yuuuuuuup.

[Niall_Quinn]

What you don't understand is Ozil is weak and needs to do weight training. If he did weight training then when the opposition bulldozed him and the ref waved play on he could leap to his feet and hit a 50 yard screamer into the net - easily. Because he did weights.

He also went missing tonight. There was a 15 minute gap right in the middle of the match where he was so missing there were ads on the TV and everyone started buying expensive sandwiches.

Plus he cost £42mill so he is not as good as Fellaini.

He may have played well for almost the entire duration tonight, but did you see that bit where he failed to pass to Wilshere just as he was being kicked in the air? This is probably why we are not top now and he is a waste of money and it just shows why the fans have been asking Wenger to keep his money in his pocket.

[Power n Glory]

A much better effort from Ozil yesterday. Won 2/4 tackles and won and interception so better on defence. I could see he was making more of an effort to make something happen but besides Cazorla, he had zero to work with. I can’t fault his effort. He just needs to keep working at it.

[selassie]

Call me knee jerk if you want but I have massive doubts about Ozil's temperament. The boy is absolutely awful in the big games, a bottler.

[Marc Overmars]

He had an easy job at Real Madrid.

That's not the case here and he doesn't like it.

[Özim]

Got to say his form is awful at the moment and he looks pretty downbeat, I'm still hopeful he can get back to his best but am beginning to wonder if he'll stick around, his body language is all wrong at the moment.

[Özim]

Seen on Sky Ballack reckon Ozil hasn't got acceptance from his teammates, he's low on confidence and I must admit I don't like watching other players having a go at him, it's kicking a guy when he's down and I don't personally think it helps a player like him. To me he doesn't look happy and having your teammates having a go isn't going to help that, different players react differently and IMO he doesn't react well to be criticised by his teammates.

To me he seems a bit soft and would benefit more form encouragement from other players etc.

[Letters]

The thing is, be's clearly an outstanding player technically but he's playing poorly right now and what particularly irks me is he didn't put a shift in tonight. The other players are busting a gut against one of the best sides in Europe, down to 10 men and he's just letting players run past him. He's not a defensive player but in that situation you've all got to work. It is understandable that the othere get frustrated with him.

[bunsco]

Need some movement to get the best out of Mesut Hleb, at Madrid he had a wave of players who would make runs for him, but here has fuck all. Now I'm not excusing his apparent lazy approach, but his key skill is passing and an assister is only as good as the player who makes the run for him.
:gp:

It's funny how people suddenly forget the whole concept of first season blues for players who had previously played in more technically based leagues.
Yes some hit the floor running but much more often than not , players need a season to adapt.
Ozil, by his standards is in a bit of a slump - but so was Merks for most of last season, now he's arguably one of our players of the season so far...
Ozil - like Bergkamp before him really needs players of a higher footballing intelligence around him to make the most of his ability - take DB10 pre and post 98 to see the massive difference in his resulting effectiveness to the team - I see the same pattern here with Ozil, I mean, he wasn't too shabby with Real Madrid and the National side...

[Ollie the Optimist]

his body language makes it look like he didn't put a shift in but he covered more ground then any bayern player and all of our team bar flamini and one other (think it is koscienly) so he does cover a lot of ground, he isn't a left back either and had to cover. id have taken him off for rosicky not the ox but he's in awful form. think the penalty miss affected him but no excuses. he had to score that

[Özim]

The thing is, be's clearly an outstanding player technically but he's playing poorly right now and what particularly irks me is he didn't put a shift in tonight. The other players are busting a gut against one of the best sides in Europe, down to 10 men and he's just letting players run past him. He's not a defensive player but in that situation you've all got to work. It is understandable that the othere get frustrated with him.

I don't think it's doing us any favours though, when someone is low on confidence having someone screaming at you telling you it's not good enough isn't going to help, he's not the fiery type, he seems to be a player who needs an arm round him to me.

[bunsco]

Yeah I agree with Marc and Ozim. I've been saying from day one that we aren't making the most out of Ozil and that we are wasting his best talent - his vision and passing. For Real Madrid and Germany they counter with pace, get the ball to Ozil early and have two or three runners busting a gut to get forward beyond the lines. That's the situation that Ozil excels in and where he's most dangerous. He didn't get the title 'assist king' for nothing, and that was in the same league as Xavi, Iniesta and Cesc.

Now look at how he plays for us and you'll see that whenever he gets the ball the opponents have already got men back because our build up is so slow. And even when we do get a good counter attacking opportunity there's nobody to pass to because we have a sluggish Giroud upfront, who always moves towards the ball rather than behind the defence anyway, Cazorla on the left who is often behind Ozil or drifting somewhere in the central areas, leaving only one target (usually in Theo) which makes it predictable and easier to defend against. I like Ox and Gnabry but they dont offer the same threat in behind as Theo. It's even worse when Wenger dumps Wilshere/Ramsey/Rosicky out wide.

I'm not making excuses for Ozil who has been well below par. But it's annoying to see us throw £42m on a player and not even make the most of him. It's like Stoke buying Messi only to long ball to him all game.

:gp:

[Niall_Quinn]

Seen on Sky Ballack reckon Ozil hasn't got acceptance from his teammates, he's low on confidence and I must admit I don't like watching other players having a go at him, it's kicking a guy when he's down and I don't personally think it helps a player like him. To me he doesn't look happy and having your teammates having a go isn't going to help that, different players react differently and IMO he doesn't react well to be criticised by his teammates.

To me he seems a bit soft and would benefit more form encouragement from other players etc.

Ballacks a cunt and worse, a chav. So fuck him.

[Marc Overmars]

He never seems to be substituted when underperforming. Cazorla and others always go off before him.

He needs to be dropped but Wenger will keep persisting with him.

[GP]

He has to, really.

[Power n Glory]

It goes beyond the expectation of a £42m star player now. You put in a shift like that and you'll lose the fans. The missed penalty can be forgiven but when we're a man down and it looks like we're playing with 9 men, you're asking for trouble.

The world would have been watching that game and he's done himself no favours. The scrutiny will get worse and he has to rise above it or crumble. I think Wenger needs to drop him for the next game.

[Niall_Quinn]

Rest him you mean?

[AFC Leveller]

He was third highest yesterday in terms of distance covered behind Flams and Wilshere.

Lahm had so much joy down their right and so did Robben and that wasnt only down to Ozil, I thought Montreal was terrible, really not good enough from him.

[BOBN]

Unforgivable penalty miss.

After the sending off, Guardiola made changes designed to rinse Ozil, and it worked.

£42m liability.

[Grebbo]

He never seems to be substituted when underperforming. Cazorla and others always go off before him.

He needs to be dropped but Wenger will keep persisting with him.

He's not going to get confidence and improve if you do that though.

One of the reasons he left RM is because he always got subbed. He needs to be loved. Anyway his form is decent, he was good against Liverpool at the weekend.

He's our best player and is adapting to a new league. You can't adapt if you don't play.

Even though he missed the pen he did win it on his own tbf with a nice bit of skill. His performance went downhill after the miss but I think most players would be affected by a missed pen in a game that big.

He needs some pace up front to really show his talent, it's unfortunate Walcott got injured.

[JonasTC]

He's not going to get confidence and improve if you do that though.

One of the reasons he left RM is because he always got subbed. He needs to be loved. Anyway his form is decent, he was good against Liverpool at the weekend.

He's our best player and is adapting to a new league. You can't adapt if you don't play.

Even though he missed the pen he did win it on his own tbf with a nice bit of skill. His performance went downhill after the miss but I think most players would be affected by a missed pen in a game that big.

He needs some pace up front to really show his talent, it's unfortunate Walcott got injured.

But but but... He costed 42m, arent we suppossed to hate him then? :sarcy:

[selassie]

But but but... He costed 42m, arent we suppossed to hate him then? :sarcy:

Stop being so dramatic Jonas.

This is a message board and we are all allowed our say.

[Power n Glory]

He was third highest yesterday in terms of distance covered behind Flams and Wilshere.

Lahm had so much joy down their right and so did Robben and that wasnt only down to Ozil, I thought Montreal was terrible, really not good enough from him.

A lot of distance covered but zero tackles won. Monreal won 4/4 at least. He wasn’t covering the runs and just let his man waltz past him on number of occasions.

Critical fans on a forum are the least of Ozil’s problems. When his own teammates berate his effort and the manager starts to criticise a little, then he has to worry. The press will be all over him this week so he has to respond on the pitch.

[BOBN]

Our Fernando Torres.

Wenger cant spot a player these days to save his life.

[JonasTC]

Stop being so dramatic Jonas.

This is a message board and we are all allowed our say.

Im sorry for making fun of you :getcoat:

[selassie]

Im sorry for making fun of you :getcoat:

:shrug:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Our Fernando Torres.

Wenger cant spot a player these days to save his life.


:haha:

apart from gibbs, ramsey, koscienly, szcesney, cazorla, sagna, walcott, Ox, wilshere, gnabry and others but if you ingore all those players who were hardly known before he signed them, then yes you have a point. if we don't ignore those players, then you look like an idiot

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Sell him, he's shite

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Seen on Sky Ballack reckon Ozil hasn't got acceptance from his teammates, he's low on confidence and I must admit I don't like watching other players having a go at him, it's kicking a guy when he's down and I don't personally think it helps a player like him. To me he doesn't look happy and having your teammates having a go isn't going to help that, different players react differently and IMO he doesn't react well to be criticised by his teammates.

To me he seems a bit soft and would benefit more form encouragement from other players etc.

Certainly won't be having a go at Flamini for having a go at Ozil. For years we lacked players with passion and care. People who would trump up on a Saturday afternoon just to collect their pay cheque's. A bit of arguing makes me think these lot actually care.

[Niall_Quinn]

And in some ways I don't like watching ex-footballers go on TV, take cash and play the whore. Sticking the knife in one day and praising to the rafters the next with nothing ever in-between despite the fact they all experienced the game themselves. But whores have to sell hard. Team mates are reliant on each other, what one does affects the rest and vice versa. Pundits though - can't think who relies on them, can't really figure out what they're good for at all.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

And in some ways I don't like watching ex-footballers go on TV, take cash and play the whore. Sticking the knife in one day and praising to the rafters the next with nothing ever in-between despite the fact they all experienced the game themselves. But whores have to sell hard. Team mates are reliant on each other, what one does affects the rest and vice versa. Pundits though - can't think who relies on them, can't really figure out what they're good for at all.

Bit harsh on Charlie.

[BOBN]

:haha:

apart from gibbs, ramsey, koscienly, szcesney, cazorla, sagna, walcott, Ox, wilshere, gnabry and others but if you ingore all those players who were hardly known before he signed them, then yes you have a point. if we don't ignore those players, then you look like an idiot
Most of these arent recent. I mean, when were Sagna and Walcott signed for petes sake.

Considering how bad Cazorla has been this season, the only creditable deal Wengers done in 5 years+ is Kos. And to think this used to be his trump card.

[JonasTC]

Most of these arent recent. I mean, when were Sagna and Walcott signed for petes sake.

Considering how bad Cazorla has been this season, the only creditable deal Wengers done in 5 years+ is Kos. And to think this used to be his trump card.

Ox, Gnabry, Zelalem, Mertesacker, etc... Wilshere, Walcott, Ramsey, Gibbs and Szscesny all developed into the first team in the last 5 years.

[Letters]

Ox, Gnabry, Zelalem, Mertesacker, etc... Wilshere, Walcott, Ramsey, Gibbs and Szscesny all developed into the first team in the last 5 years.
What have I told you about using facts on here? :angry:

[JonasTC]

Sorry :getcoat:

[Fist of Lehmann]

How does one 'spot' Mesut Ozil anyway?

It's not like he was an unrated unknown playing for an obscure Spanish side, a no-mark European country, and absolutely not joint highest assister in Europe for the last 2 years.

[Özim]

What have I told you about using facts on here? :angry:

To use stats before you use facts? :unsure:

[LDG]

Apparently he mowed down a whole load of reporters with his car on Friday.

Unfortunately none of them died.

[Power n Glory]

Oh dear! People thought Arsenal fans were harsh, this is one international game.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/06/mesut-ozil-jeered-germany-chile


Mesut Özil's season went from bad to worse on Wednesday night as he was whistled by a section of Germany fans when substituted during his side's victory over Chile.

Jogi Löw's side won 1-0 but, despite setting up the only goal of the game, the Arsenal midfielder was singled out by the home crowd in Stuttgart, being jeered as he was taken off in the 89th minute. Özil's team-mates reacted angrily to the crowd's reaction, Jérôme Boateng saying: "They have some nerve. You can't shine all the time."

The team manager, Oliver Bierhoff, added: "I don't understand the whistling. I find it a shame that a player such as Mesut is picked out [for that kind of reaction]. I would hope for different support for a game like that."

Löw, meanwhile, was more concerned with his side's performance. "We weren't capable of dominating the game. It is always good when one can see that Germany is not the only country to have good players."

Götze struck against the run of play in the 16th minute after Özil eluded three defenders on the edge of the area. Götze took the Arsenal midfielder's pass with his right foot and then scooped it over Chile goalkeeper Johnny Herrera with his left.

Eduardo Vargas came closest for Chile when he struck the crossbar in the second half. Arturo Vidal should have equalized in the first as the dominant visitors failed to capitalize on a stuttering performance from the home side.

"You can say it was a lucky win," Germany captain Philipp Lahm said and it was far from convincing ahead of the World Cup in 98 days, and Germany coach Joachim Löw was unable to hide his frustration, even before his side drew whistles from fans at the end.

The national coach has had to tear up his first-choice lineup due to injuries and poor form. He shifted Lahm to defensive midfield, with Kevin Grosskreutz filling in at right-back.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Oh dear! People thought Arsenal fans were harsh, this is one international game.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/06/mesut-ozil-jeered-germany-chile

Undoubtedly some scummy Bayern fans.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The Guardian are the only ones reporting that it was specfically directed at Ozil. The other reports seem to indicate it was more genearl groans and murmurs in the direction of the whole team as by all accounts they didn't play well and were lucky to win (shows you how spoilt the Germans have become).

Anyone watch the entire game? Was Ozil that bad in particular? Can only find YouTube highlights of the goal, which showed the assist by Ozil.

Never mind,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqrnnhyRQCE

Think he had a decent game.

[IBK]

Undoubtedly some scummy Bayern fans.

If he stunk the place up like he did for us against Bayern - you can understand fans' frustration (although I never condone booing/jeering). After all, he's the most expensive player in their national team. I was hoping he'd perform in a different environment and am disappointed he didn't.

[JonasTC]

As far as i can find around the internet, i doesnt seem it was only towards Özil, more that the germans hadnt played the best match and the fans werent pleased when Löw took out an offensive midfielder for a central defender.

[Power n Glory]

Team manager Oliver Bierhoff added: "I don't understand the whistling. I find it a shame that a player such as Mesut is picked out. I would hope for different support for a game like that."

It was Ozil according to Bierhoff.

[JonasTC]

Bild.de is reporting that it was towards the teams general performance :)

There was even a poll asking if it was okay to boo "jogi's" boys (74% yes, so far).

[Power n Glory]

Ozil was whistled off when subbed. The rest were booed too at the end.

[JonasTC]

... And that should tell you that the frustation was not specifically towards Özil, but i guess its hard to see if you dont like the guy :d

[Power n Glory]

Dude, his own coach mentioned Ozil by name and said he’s been singled out! What’s wrong with you? How can I argue against that?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Dude, his own coach mentioned Ozil by name and said he’s been singled out! What’s wrong with you? How can I argue against that?

Yes but the key thing is that the boos from the crowd weren't directed specifically to Ozil or arose as a result of his own performance which by all accounts wasn't worse than any of his team mates.

He was singled out as he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it had been Gotze or Kroos subbed of at that particular moment for a defender then they would have been the target of the crowd's frustration and Bierhoof and Low would be defending them today. Really quite unfortunate as his confidence isn't already high at the moment.

[fakeyank]

Dude, his own coach mentioned Ozil by name and said he’s been singled out! What’s wrong with you? How can I argue against that?

Just remember who you are arguing with... :lol:

[Özim]

Yes but the key thing is that the boos from the crowd weren't directed specifically to Ozil or arose as a result of his own performance which by all accounts wasn't worse than any of his team mates.

He was singled out as he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it had been Gotze or Kroos subbed of at that particular moment for a defender then they would have been the target of the crowd's frustration and Bierhoof and Low would be defending them today. Really quite unfortunate as his confidence isn't already high at the moment.

If a player is subbed and gets booed it's directed at him, not saying they didn't want to boo other players, but if it happens when he's subbed it's because the crowd think he hasn't performed, if he'd played well in a poor German display he wouldn't have been booed.

[JonasTC]

That would have been correct, if it wasnt for them booing everybody at the end :) (Özil was subbed like 5-10min before that)

[Özim]

Not really they booed everyone at the end because they weren't happy with the performance, they booed Ozil because they weren't happy with his. If Ozil wasn't being booed they would have just waited until the end and not singled him out, clearly they weren't happy with how he performed.

I don't know if there were any other subs during the match, did they get booed as well?

[Power n Glory]

Yes but the key thing is that the boos from the crowd weren't directed specifically to Ozil or arose as a result of his own performance which by all accounts wasn't worse than any of his team mates.

He was singled out as he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it had been Gotze or Kroos subbed of at that particular moment for a defender then they would have been the target of the crowd's frustration and Bierhoof and Low would be defending them today. Really quite unfortunate as his confidence isn't already high at the moment.

Was Gotze booed off? He was subbed at the 83rd minute.

[Power n Glory]

If a player is subbed and gets booed it's directed at him, not saying they didn't want to boo other players, but if it happens when he's subbed it's because the crowd think he hasn't performed, if he'd played well in a poor German display he wouldn't have been booed.

True and I think some of his colleagues see it that way too. He probably wasn't the worst player on the field and I didn't look like it was a bad game.

[Özim]

True and I think some of his colleagues see it that way too. He probably wasn't the worst player on the field and I didn't look like it was a bad game.

They probably have high expectations of him, in the past when I've seen him he's been superb marauding up and down the wing, he's an important player for Germany.

[JonasTC]

Özil was booed because he sucks, our Torres :bow:

[Power n Glory]

In that situation, what do you think Ozil is thinking? That the fans are booing the team and not him whilst he's the one getting subbed?

[JonasTC]

Tbh i tend to shut off and be a cunt when i play football, so i wouldnt even think about it :d

So dno, he says himself that he doesnt really think about it, so who' knows? Maybe it doesnt bother him.

[Power n Glory]

Just in football? :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

This is fucking great news. Hopefully Ozil is shattered by this and we end up wasting £42mill. That would be fucking brilliant news.

Now I'm off to suck more media cock, gobble, gobble, gobble.

[Power n Glory]

This is fucking great news. Hopefully Ozil is shattered by this and we end up wasting £42mill. That would be fucking brilliant news.

Now I'm off to suck more media cock, gobble, gobble, gobble.

No point in directing anger at the posters. I said ages ago that the spotlight would be thrown upon him if he doesn't step his game up. If this crushes his confidence then it says a heck of a lot about him. I'm not with the sympathy vote.

In out own squad, I've seen Ramsey bounce right back after criticism. Walcott is a mentally strong player to keep coming back the way he does after the many injuries, public criticism and embarrassment with the International squad. Song was booed off when he was just a kid and came back million miles better after he'd develop. That's just a few from our own.

On a bigger scale, Beckham had a ton of shit to deal with. Just think of World Cup 98 when the hate for him was on. Didn't phase him. Answered back with his football and was on fire for United. Won the treble the next season. Ronaldo! The press were all over him after the Rooney sending off incident. Didn't phase him either.

I'd be seriously disappointed if Ozil can't answer his critics. Younger and less gifted players have been dealt worse and they've handled it. He doesn't need a vote of sympathy.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's media vomit. The real sad thing is how fast some of our fans want to lap it up.

[Niall_Quinn]

"The article is a direct lie. You must be aware of the German media coverage and that is clear that the crowd booed because Ozil was substituted. Even the DM end of the German media says that!"

"the German papers reported that they booed because he was being substituted."

"I watched the match. The fans booed, but it was impossible to tell if Ozil was booed because the fans were unhappy with his performance or because he was being subbed. Since he set up the only goal, I suspect he was booed for being subbed."

And from a chav cunt

"Aah Diddums, poor old goggle eyes ozil cant do it for the gooners now he cant do it for the germans, Nice one wenger youve certainly taken his career to another level ,, the basement lol"

That chav cunt sounds like some folks on here.

[Power n Glory]

If you want to start a petition to find Mesut a tissue, that's up to you. But this is the line of work he's in, it comes with the territory and it's going to take mental strength and hard work for him to get back on his game. See my last post.

[fakeyank]

No point in directing anger at the posters. I said ages ago that the spotlight would be thrown upon him if he doesn't step his game up. If this crushes his confidence then it says a heck of a lot about him. I'm not with the sympathy vote.

In out own squad, I've seen Ramsey bounce right back after criticism. Walcott is a mentally strong player to keep coming back the way he does after the many injuries, public criticism and embarrassment with the International squad. Song was booed off when he was just a kid and came back million miles better after he'd develop. That's just a few from our own.

On a bigger scale, Beckham had a ton of shit to deal with. Just think of World Cup 98 when the hate for him was on. Didn't phase him. Answered back with his football and was on fire for United. Won the treble the next season. Ronaldo! The press were all over him after the Rooney sending off incident. Didn't phase him either.

I'd be seriously disappointed if Ozil can't answer his critics. Younger and less gifted players have been dealt worse and they've handled it. He doesn't need a vote of sympathy.

:gp:

Top post. If he is not mentally strong, he will wilt. If he is, he will flourish. Time will tell! I'd rather have a mentally strong youngster who will work his socks off for the team than a supposedly world class player, who will drop his shoulders when things are not going his way.

[Niall_Quinn]

You lot are like a pack of old birds chattering about every scrap of gossip you can scrape up. Blowing everything into a torrid affair. Panting for the next heap of slop to be flushed by the media. Tough love is the excuse is it?

"If you can't take the wagging fingers and tongues my dear, maybe you shouldn't have married a sailor! Yes I know you didn't marry a sailor - but let's just say you had... Oh dear, dear, dear. Fancy that, marrying a sailor, what did you think would happen?"

[Power n Glory]

:rolleyes: Here we go....media persecution complex! Give me a break!

[selassie]

Just in football? :lol:

:d

[Niall_Quinn]

:rolleyes: Here we go....media persecution complex! Give me a break!

It's not even persecution, it's just any old garbage they can use to fill the space. They are a bunch of cowards. There are 101 real stories that could be written about football and they don't touch a single one. Instead they chuck trivia, speculation and outright bullshit (like this Ozil story) in the air and hope it draws enough attention from jaded and gullible types. Then do the same tomorrow and the next day. It's a job, just not a useful one.

[Xhaka Can’t]

:rolleyes: Here we go....media persecution complex! Give me a break!

Have you ever been part of or have inside knowledge of an event covered in the print media? If so, (details are unimportant) how accurate was it?

[Power n Glory]

Have you ever been part of or have inside knowledge of an event covered in the print media? If so, (details are unimportant) how accurate was it?

His coach and his own teammate thought he was being booed when subbed. What more needs to be said?

[Xhaka Can’t]

His coach and his own teammate thought he was being booed when subbed. What more needs to be said?

It was a straight question.

Nevermind.

[Power n Glory]

Do you really need me to tell you that the media can be full of shit? But this was a live televised event with quotes from his colleagues. It can debunked easily. I wouldn't expect media authenticity to be a talking point regarding the boos. Whether Ozil played good or bad and deserved the boos would probably be the smarter argument.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I haven't argued a single point in this thread.

It was simply a question, but just forget about it.

[IBK]

Do you really need me to tell you that the media can be full of shit? But this was a live televised event with quotes from his colleagues. It can debunked easily. I wouldn't expect media authenticity to be a talking point regarding the boos. Whether Ozil played good or bad and deserved the boos would probably be the smarter argument.

Personally, I'd suspect that the truth is somewhere in between - there may have been considerable disenchantment from the Germans with the whole team, but given his price tag, and evident lacklustre performance, it isn't hard to see how Ozil would be a focal point - in a similar way to our own Rooney. Put another way, if Ozil had turned in a proper shift then the crowd would have made sure not to boo when Ozil came off (as opposed to at the end of the game). The fact that Ozil failed to shine in a different environment does cause me some concern, though. People can say that he will only come good once he's had a season under his belt. Didn't work with our last most expensive signing though, did it?

[Niall_Quinn]

Sigh. According to the German media (who admittedly know a lot less about German football than the eminent Daily Heinrich Himmler or the Guardian of Communism) the crowd was booing the decision to bring Ozil off as he was one of the better players on the night. So it's not really in-between at all, it's the polar opposite to the shit being peddled by the piggish British hacks. Spitting Image didn't cast them as swine on a whim.

[Power n Glory]

Personally, I'd suspect that the truth is somewhere in between - there may have been considerable disenchantment from the Germans with the whole team, but given his price tag, and evident lacklustre performance, it isn't hard to see how Ozil would be a focal point - in a similar way to our own Rooney. Put another way, if Ozil had turned in a proper shift then the crowd would have made sure not to boo when Ozil came off (as opposed to at the end of the game). The fact that Ozil failed to shine in a different environment does cause me some concern, though. People can say that he will only come good once he's had a season under his belt. Didn't work with our last most expensive signing though, did it?

I can't imagine our crowed booing off one the best performers after a sub.

[Power n Glory]

Sigh. According to the German media (who admittedly know a lot less about German football than the eminent Daily Heinrich Himmler or the Guardian of Communism) the crowd was booing the decision to bring Ozil off as he was one of the better players on the night. So it's not really in-between at all, it's the polar opposite to the shit being peddled by the piggish British hacks. Spitting Image didn't cast them as swine on a whim.

Source?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/mesut-ozil-booed-germany-fans-wrong-to-jeer-players-after-10-win-over-chile-says-oliver-bierhoff-but-captain-philipp-lahm-says-it-was-deserved-9173372.html

Why is Bierhoff and Boateng under the impression that Ozil was singled out and why wasn't Gotze booed off as well?

[Niall_Quinn]

First up Ozil is the German fans player of the year - again. So let's put a massive and much needed perspective shift on this to bring it back into reality and away from the fantasy picture the media is trying to paint.

Second I couldn't care less what the Independent has to say on things and I wouldn't trust them an inch to report faithfully what anyone said to them on any subject, ever. I never give any credence to what the media has to say about anything. I read the headlines to figure what the latest media bullshit line is and then I read the comments to check how many people have been suckered - and it's usually very few unless the story is particularly emotional. And that's what I read in this particular case and I guess for most articles those comments will still be available. I'd much rather listen to the opinion of a regular person who is in football for the love of it rather than some cunt in the media who's in it to cause as big a stink as possible.

Even so, there were some saying the booing was directed at him. But they go on to explain, it was not singling him out exclusively but was highlighting the growing and general discontent at the whole team and national set up. Ozil is their FAVOURITE PLAYER - hence the award. Booing him is the ultimate expression of discontent - at the team in general. If they can boo Ozil they can boo anyone. Even so, German fans couldn't give a fuck what Ozil is doing at Arsenal so there is zero connection. It's just the vile British media who have drawn a line between two disconnected and non-associated dots.

Ever since we pulled off such a coup to sign him the media scum have been waiting for him to fall flat. From their ill-hidden and jealous remarks about "luxury" players to the pathetic manufactured bullshit about Utd turning their nose up at him in favour of Fellaini. I mean how ridiculous does it need to get before some people figure it out? Now a vigorous first season in the huff and puff league (which the media laughably calls the best in the world, so you can see just how finely tuned their judgement isn't) has seen a dip in Ozil's form and the media wolves are all over him. Drop him from Arsenal, drop him from Germany, he shouldn't be going to the World Cup, he's weak, he went for a kebab, there's nothing subtle about this. It's almost like a punishment beating for having picked the wrong club. Where were the British media calls for Torres to be dropped from the Spanish team? Or Shevchenko to be dropped from the Ukrainian team? What business is it of theirs? None at all, they just use it to add more fuel to their fire.

Meanwhile some of our own fans are deliberately misinterpreting what is happening so they can grab another stick to beat Wenger with. Sad bastards. They are in full on temper-tantrum mode because they haven't got a shiny pot so they'll grasp at anything they can to dig a knife into the manager and the players. We all know who they are.

[Edinburgh Gooner]

First up Ozil is the German fans player of the year - again. So let's put a massive and much needed perspective shift on this to bring it back into reality and away from the fantasy picture the media is trying to paint.

Second I couldn't care less what the Independent has to say on things and I wouldn't trust them an inch to report faithfully what anyone said to them on any subject, ever. I never give any credence to what the media has to say about anything. I read the headlines to figure what the latest media bullshit line is and then I read the comments to check how many people have been suckered - and it's usually very few unless the story is particularly emotional. And that's what I read in this particular case and I guess for most articles those comments will still be available. I'd much rather listen to the opinion of a regular person who is in football for the love of it rather than some cunt in the media who's in it to cause as big a stink as possible.

Even so, there were some saying the booing was directed at him. But they go on to explain, it was not singling him out exclusively but was highlighting the growing and general discontent at the whole team and national set up. Ozil is their FAVOURITE PLAYER - hence the award. Booing him is the ultimate expression of discontent - at the team in general. If they can boo Ozil they can boo anyone. Even so, German fans couldn't give a fuck what Ozil is doing at Arsenal so there is zero connection. It's just the vile British media who have drawn a line between two disconnected and non-associated dots.

Ever since we pulled off such a coup to sign him the media scum have been waiting for him to fall flat. From their ill-hidden and jealous remarks about "luxury" players to the pathetic manufactured bullshit about Utd turning their nose up at him in favour of Fellaini. I mean how ridiculous does it need to get before some people figure it out? Now a vigorous first season in the huff and puff league (which the media laughably calls the best in the world, so you can see just how finely tuned their judgement isn't) has seen a dip in Ozil's form and the media wolves are all over him. Drop him from Arsenal, drop him from Germany, he shouldn't be going to the World Cup, he's weak, he went for a kebab, there's nothing subtle about this. It's almost like a punishment beating for having picked the wrong club. Where were the British media calls for Torres to be dropped from the Spanish team? Or Shevchenko to be dropped from the Ukrainian team? What business is it of theirs? None at all, they just use it to add more fuel to their fire.

Meanwhile some of our own fans are deliberately misinterpreting what is happening so they can grab another stick to beat Wenger with. Sad bastards. They are in full on temper-tantrum mode because they haven't got a shiny pot so they'll grasp at anything they can to dig a knife into the manager and the players. We all know who they are.

excellent post NQ!

[Power n Glory]

It really isn't. The frustrating thing about this sort of debate is the complete denial that he was booed as if the media conjured up the event out of thin air. Complete paranoia from NQ. It's nothing personal against Ozil or Arsenal. They'll be all over him once he's on form and singing his praises.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It really isn't. The frustrating thing about this sort of debate is the complete denial that he was booed as if the media conjured up the event out of thin air. Complete paranoia from NQ. It's nothing personal against Ozil or Arsenal. They'll be all over him once he's on form and singing his praises.

:lol: no they won't. they are the ones who keep trying to tell us he is shit. the media are a complete joke and their anti arsenal agenda from some papers is just shocking. take today for example. the mirror had the following headline to an article "wenger FUMING at Agger after challenge" then in the article had no quotes from Wenger or even mentioned his name. then this morning in his press conference, the first time he has spoken about the challenge, he says it was an accident and didn't blame anyone.

[Niall_Quinn]

The media HAS conjured it out of thin air. The idea underpinning their bullshit, that Ozil is in complete collapse mode across the board. This is a crisis of their making with no substance to it whatsoever. The whole team gets booed off and they focus in on Ozil. Why? Because it feeds their currently running bullshit related to what's happening at Arsenal. What I hate about these sick media bastards is their complete lack of human values. A total absence. They'll shit on anyone to sell their manufactured nonsense. From a well paid football star, okay hard to find too much sympathy there but it doesn't make the hacks any less cuntish, all the way through exploiting the death of abducted children. They'll do anything. They are among the worst vermin on the planet. I can't understand how anyone can side with them over anything ever.

I don't know how shitty the media is in Germany. Probably shitty, but it can't possibly be as bad as here. We are looking at one of our main players being hounded daily by these cunts. I would think he'll have the character to handle it but how used to it is he? Has he ever seen shit like this before, this intensity of unbridled mendacity and destructive, throwaway fairy tale hackery? We should but we won't do something about these bastards. Burn their fucking house down or something. Write a stiff letter of protest to our MPs, or something queer like that. Whatever, the one thing we shouldn't fucking do is jump in the sewer with these bastards. Why would we want to do that? Why are there people here and on that dumb Fan TV and in other places who never have a good word to say about the club and are just as vacantly vicious as the dogshit media at every opportunity to stick the boot in? Why would fans do that?

We're still in the title hunt, still in the cup, still in europe, we've won a hell of a lot more games than we've lost, our back five is coming together, we've spent some fucking money, we've signed some huge sponsorship deals. Why are fans turning on the team when there's still football to play and results to be decided? This reaction to one game has gone on for a week now. Yet there was hardly a peep after the Sunderland game, I think Mo even asked where the hell everyone was.

Why don't we try sticking up for Ozil and sticking a knife in those cunt journalists instead of quoting them as if God just spoke?

[Power n Glory]

There is no denying the media can be full of shit, hence why I check for the quotes to see the angle.

But you're talking nonsense if you think the media have a specific agenda against Arsenal. They had no problem hyping Wilshere and now they're talking up Ramsey and deservedly so. Why would you think other teams get preferential treatment over ours? It's all down to performances and staying out of trouble. Just look at Suarez and Sturridge at the moment.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is no denying the media can be full of shit, hence why I check for the quotes to see the angle.

But you're talking nonsense if you think the media have a specific agenda against Arsenal. They had no problem hyping Wilshere and now they're talking up Ramsey and deservedly so. Why would you think other teams get preferential treatment over ours? It's all down to performances and staying out of trouble. Just look at Suarez and Sturridge at the moment.

I don't think they reserve this kind of shit just for us. I'm saying we should shove it back in the fat faces or stick them in the bloated gut when they bring it though. In terms of bias, they have their favourites. That cunt Mourinho can do no wrong, even though he spends most of his time doing wrong. Can you imagine if Wenger pulled those sort of antics? He'd be crucified. That intensely shitty thing they did splashing a photo of him slipping and falling, would Ferguson have got that treatment? That fat cunt Samuel would have been "outraged" on Fergie's behalf, quick as a flash no doubt. Redknapp - he's a crook. Free pass. Moyes an utter disaster. Sure, they report on it but where's the scorn and the humiliation pieces? 100 red cards, 100 red cards, 100 red cards - over two decades but don't mention that. Fucking gangsters in charge of the chavs - not a mention. Thieves and pirates and human rights monsters in charge of the gypos, not a peep. Don't try and pretend they aren't very selective in their - what do they call it? - "reporting".