Mesut Özil Thread (official!)

[IBK]

I can't imagine our crowed booing off one the best performers after a sub.

I don't understand this. By all accounts Ozil wasn't their best performers - which is why I'm saying he copped the flak.

[IBK]

There is no denying the media can be full of shit, hence why I check for the quotes to see the angle.

But you're talking nonsense if you think the media have a specific agenda against Arsenal. They had no problem hyping Wilshere and now they're talking up Ramsey and deservedly so. Why would you think other teams get preferential treatment over ours? It's all down to performances and staying out of trouble. Just look at Suarez and Sturridge at the moment.

I agree. The media have no agenda. Liverpool and Citeh are flavour of the month because they play exciting football. Mourinho is loved because he provides copy. Wenger has failed too often to inspire confidence, and the media quite rightly was not convinced by our league position.

[Niall_Quinn]

Mourinho is loved because he provides copy.

And that's not an agenda? You could apply the same reasoning to the Yorkshire Ripper. He provided plenty of copy too but who loved him? They could have plenty of copy with Maureen either way but they have picked fawning as their favoured method of interaction.

[Power n Glory]

The 'Specialist of Failure' comment didn't go down well with the media and quite a few writers backed Wenger over that spat but you've either ignored it or can't see it. They weren't fawning over Jose when he said that.

[Özim]

And that's not an agenda? You could apply the same reasoning to the Yorkshire Ripper. He provided plenty of copy too but who loved him? They could have plenty of copy with Maureen either way but they have picked fawning as their favoured method of interaction.

It's pretty clear why the press love Mourinho, he's charismatic, jokes with them, gives them plenty to write about and doesn't get annoyed with them and react angrily, he's also a proven winner and people like that, it gives weight to their arguments/words.

Coming out with stats and simply answering questions is never going to have the same appeal, if you want support from the media you also need to win, this is the reason the likes of Ferguson and Guardiola are highly respected in the press.

[Penguin]

It's pretty clear why the press love Mourinho, he's charismatic, jokes with them, gives them plenty to write about and doesn't get annoyed with them and react angrily, he's also a proven winner and people like that, it gives weight to their arguments/words.

Coming out with stats and simply answering questions is never going to have the same appeal, if you want support from the media you also need to win, this is the reason the likes of Ferguson and Guardiola are highly respected in the press.

Really? :lol:

[Ollie the Optimist]

It's pretty clear why the press love Mourinho, he's charismatic, jokes with them, gives them plenty to write about and doesn't get annoyed with them and react angrily, he's also a proven winner and people like that, it gives weight to their arguments/words.

Coming out with stats and simply answering questions is never going to have the same appeal, if you want support from the media you also need to win, this is the reason the likes of Ferguson and Guardiola are highly respected in the press.


:haha: just no

[Özim]

:haha: just no

Fraid so :)

He's loved face it.

[Özim]

Really? :lol:

Generally not with the press no.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fraid so :)

He's loved face it.

And he has a nice cock, nom, nom, nom.

[Özim]

And he has a nice cock, nom, nom, nom.

If you say so, doesn't float my boat to be honest!

[Niall_Quinn]

You don't have a boat, just an eager yawn and bruised knees.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Really? :lol:

I think it's that he makes good headlines with very quotable material, it's a symbiotic relationship....the press love Mourinho because he says things that make good headlines and he loves the press because they love him and as a very ill man mentally which he is (Narcassistic personality disorder is a mental ilness) they are only exacerbating his condition.
Wenger i don't think is hated by the press, but with Arsenal there is a hangover from the accusation made of us that we don't field many english players in the side (even though it was Chelsea who were the first team to field an all foreign XI in the league and it wasn't for another six years that we repeated that feat) and the press take an incredibly jingoistic stance as they assume their moronic readers are all quasi racist little englanders (probably not far off the truth).
But Wenger has a habbit of being taciturn and that doesn't make for good headlines, i think the press as individuals actually genuinely like him (and as much as he frustrates and angers me with his managerial decisions i still like and respect him as well). I think Wenger has a very dry sense of humour and some of his quips like the one recently when asked about Julian Draxler at the training ground "people will always say they've seen unidentified flying objects" tends to engage the press, but Wenger does it as part of his job as a media committment....Mourinho enjoys press conferences because he makes it all about him which as a very ill man like he is, he thrives on.

[Özim]

You don't have a boat, just an eager yawn and bruised knees.

I'm on my yacht at the moment, beautiful out on the Mediterranean and the women are Hot! Maybe Jose will treat you after you've done your work.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm on my yacht at the moment, beautiful out on the Mediterranean and the women are Hot! Maybe Jose will treat you after you've done your work.

You mean you're in the bath and your toy boat has stuck in your crack? And now your porno mag and holiday brochures have fallen in and got soaked?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You mean you're in the bath and your toy boat has stuck in your crack? And now your porno mag and holiday brochures have fallen in and got soaked?

You are a very ugly human being!.

There aren't enough people like you about.

[Niall_Quinn]

You are a very ugly human being!.

There aren't enough people like you about.

I don't even have to work at it.

[Penguin]

I think it's that he makes good headlines with very quotable material, it's a symbiotic relationship....the press love Mourinho because he says things that make good headlines and he loves the press because they love him and as a very ill man mentally which he is (Narcassistic personality disorder is a mental ilness) they are only exacerbating his condition.
Wenger i don't think is hated by the press, but with Arsenal there is a hangover from the accusation made of us that we don't field many english players in the side (even though it was Chelsea who were the first team to field an all foreign XI in the league and it wasn't for another six years that we repeated that feat) and the press take an incredibly jingoistic stance as they assume their moronic readers are all quasi racist little englanders (probably not far off the truth).
But Wenger has a habbit of being taciturn and that doesn't make for good headlines, i think the press as individuals actually genuinely like him (and as much as he frustrates and angers me with his managerial decisions i still like and respect him as well). I think Wenger has a very dry sense of humour and some of his quips like the one recently when asked about Julian Draxler at the training ground "people will always say they've seen unidentified flying objects" tends to engage the press, but Wenger does it as part of his job as a media committment....Mourinho enjoys press conferences because he makes it all about him which as a very ill man like he is, he thrives on.
That might be true of the English media who would probably suck his cock if he took it out in a press conference. But in Spain and especially in Italy he had a terrible relationship with the media. They didn't have the kind of weird fascination with him that they do here. Ozim said that Mourinho 'doesn't get annoyed with them and react angrily' which is plainly wrong since he's thrown his toys out of his pram plenty of times when he has been criticised (as well as his negative tactics). He even had a press silence in Italy like Fergie with the BBC.

[IBK]

And that's not an agenda? You could apply the same reasoning to the Yorkshire Ripper. He provided plenty of copy too but who loved him? They could have plenty of copy with Maureen either way but they have picked fawning as their favoured method of interaction.

Disagree. An agenda is when the press go out to favour someone or something because they have a pre-arranged course of action. That is different from reacting to something that is going to achieve what all media is in business for - increase income. Of course we all know that journalists will always chase copy. But as long as it is after, rather than before the event they are reflecting the public's mood rather than trying to influence it.

[Özim]

You mean you're in the bath and your toy boat has stuck in your crack? And now your porno mag and holiday brochures have fallen in and got soaked?

It's a hot tub and it's not stuck in my crack, though she's not complaining. It's like a porno mag here but without the pages and your allowed to touch!

[Niall_Quinn]

It's a hot tub and it's not stuck in my crack, though she's not complaining. It's like a porno mag here but without the pages and your allowed to touch!

Oh well, I suppose, grudgingly, fair enough. Fucker.

[Niall_Quinn]

Disagree. An agenda is when the press go out to favour someone or something because they have a pre-arranged course of action. That is different from reacting to something that is going to achieve what all media is in business for - increase income. Of course we all know that journalists will always chase copy. But as long as it is after, rather than before the event they are reflecting the public's mood rather than trying to influence it.

The agenda is to keep the (ahem) news cycle going, whether that means daubing out the lowest common denominator in response to actual events or (increasingly) pulling creative from thin air when events can't keep pace with the demand for the tonnage of excrement required to fuel the modern media. This is why there is an unholy alliance between celebrities, politicians and other assorted whores, and the media. They all get a benefit from catching each others diseases. And if any of this genuinely reflects the public mood then we are finished as a species. I think people exist in two states, the normal, mainstream, commercial, brain dead everyday state, tempered from time to time with outbursts of humanity, civility and a reason for even being alive. The media always lives at the wrong end of that spectrum and its agenda is to appeal to the very worst in all of us and keep us in the sewer where consumption is an inevitable consequence.

Basically. Cunts who deserve to die.

[IBK]

The agenda is to keep the (ahem) news cycle going, whether that means daubing out the lowest common denominator in response to actual events or (increasingly) pulling creative from thin air when events can't keep pace with the demand for the tonnage of excrement required to fuel the modern media. This is why there is an unholy alliance between celebrities, politicians and other assorted whores, and the media. They all get a benefit from catching each others diseases. And if any of this genuinely reflects the public mood then we are finished as a species. I think people exist in two states, the normal, mainstream, commercial, brain dead everyday state, tempered from time to time with outbursts of humanity, civility and a reason for even being alive. The media always lives at the wrong end of that spectrum and its agenda is to appeal to the very worst in all of us and keep us in the sewer where consumption is an inevitable consequence.

Basically. Cunts who deserve to die.

No problem with your last comment. But an agenda to self advance is hardly a hidden one. I suppose the depressing thing is that most people aren't capable of drawing any distinction - or even think about the source of their knowledge.

[Niall_Quinn]

I didn't actually say it was hidden. On the contrary, they laugh about it on shows like the Sunday Supplement. All these tossers in influential positions are so comfortable now, so convinced they are what people want and need. One day people will have a real think about it and discover the very last thing we need are these self publicising regressive types. But I know what you mean when you mention the public mood. I can settle on complacency rather than an emotional reason for allowing the media to exist as it does.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It's not unfeasible to think a German player in England would be subject to papers being more quick to criticise them against other players. Mertesacker has certainly had to come through it.

"Let's Blitz Fritz" and all that rubbish.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not unfeasible to think a German player in England would be subject to papers being more quick to criticise them against other players. Mertesacker has certainly had to come through it.

"Let's Blitz Fritz" and all that rubbish.

Which is why I said Martin Samuel is a fat oaf. That and many, many other reasons.

[Power n Glory]

No problem with your last comment. But an agenda to self advance is hardly a hidden one. I suppose the depressing thing is that most people aren't capable of drawing any distinction - or even think about the source of their knowledge.

That's the insult. NQ assumes in most cases that nobody here can draw their own conclusions without being influenced by the media. It's patronising.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If it wasn't for you lot, and NQ in particular, I'd have been successful in completely tuning out the media.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's the insult. NQ assumes in most cases that nobody here can draw their own conclusions without being influenced by the media. It's patronising.

It's not an assumption, it's an observation.

[Niall_Quinn]

If it wasn't for you lot, and NQ in particular, I'd have been successful in completely tuning out the media.

You can't escape the media as they influence almost everyone around you. For example, you are forced to live in a world (or at least a part of it) that see's America as a progressive and liberal nation rather than a war driven corporation. I tuned them out for a while too but it left me wondering why almost everyone I met was delusional. At first I thought it was a bacteria or a germ that had invaded the planet from outer space and had rendered humanity mentally helpless. Then it dawned it was a lot more serious than that.

[Power n Glory]

It's not an assumption, it's an observation.

It's an assumption. If you were paying attention, a few posters were underwhelmed with Ozil's performances way before the media started highlighting it.

Also, if the media was that influential, why are we able to reject certain messages but accept others? Shouldn't we be totally passive to what we're being bombarded with?

[Niall_Quinn]

It's an assumption. If you were paying attention, a few posters were underwhelmed with Ozil's performances way before the media started highlighting it.

Also, if the media was that influential, why are we able to reject certain messages but accept others? Shouldn't we be totally passive to what we're being bombarded with?

No we certainly shouldn't be, but most are. It's a simple trick. If you want something to be true you just repeat it via as many outlets and formats as possible. You get a politician or some other senior figurehead to dress up and stare gravely into the camera and the lie becomes official and therefore unquestionable. That's makes it a "roll eyes everybody knows that" anti-fact. Or if you want to suppress information you do the "roll eyes what a loon" or "us and them" routine so people are afraid to believe what's under their nose. The media is in fact a very powerful and very influential force in society. A vigorous cancer that sits at the heart of it. If the media as it is today just suddenly arrived out of the blue people would collapse in a hysterical heap before carting them all off to the funny farm or prison. But because it has been drip, drip, dripped over time like a poison people have come to accept it as a "normal" part of life. Very similar to government and they are closely linked.

[Power n Glory]

No we certainly shouldn't be, but most are. It's a simple trick. If you want something to be true you just repeat it via as many outlets and formats as possible. You get a politician or some other senior figurehead to dress up and stare gravely into the camera and the lie becomes official and therefore unquestionable. That's makes it a "roll eyes everybody knows that" anti-fact. Or if you want to suppress information you do the "roll eyes what a loon" or "us and them" routine so people are afraid to believe what's under their nose. The media is in fact a very powerful and very influential force in society. A vigorous cancer that sits at the heart of it. If the media as it is today just suddenly arrived out of the blue people would collapse in a hysterical heap before carting them all off to the funny farm or prison. But because it has been drip, drip, dripped over time like a poison people have come to accept it as a "normal" part of life. Very similar to government and they are closely linked.

It's more complex than that. We're hit with advertising and branding every day and it's unavoidable. Considering the amount of beer adverts I've seen during the football, shouldn't I be a heavy beer drinker? I'm not a fan of beer and no matter how many ads i see, that's not going to change. People have filters to what they're willing to accept. If we were that passive and unable to decode certain messages, we'd probably see ridiculous shit like men buying bras and Tampax when they don't need it. :lol:

As for politics and the media...a lot of people have lost faith in politics and there are splintered groups everywhere. You must have seen it.

Back to football and Arsenal...why is it that most people on here and Arsenal fans in general aren't buying into the top 4 trophy spin we've heard for years from Wenger and the board? Why are there so many varied opinions? It's complex and pretty arrogant to assume we've all been taken in but you're Neo in all this.

[Niall_Quinn]

But I said most, not all. Advertising, I hate it. All of it. But advertisers spend their own time and money so I have no ideological or humanitarian problems with it. Advertising is a completely different thing.

And this - "a lot of people have lost faith in politics". Lost faith? My point exactly. Politics, politicians, democracy, representation. The aim is not to have faith or withdraw as the only alternative, the aim is to instruct and direct "representatives" and "servants" and have them execute. This is a classic example of the twist that reaches all the way through society. You see how propaganda works? Even when you are "rebelling" you are acknowledging the abdication of your own responsibilities and will. Of course it is complex, propaganda is a science that has developed over centuries. It's a vital component that has always empowered the few in dictating to the many. Its real aim is to have the victim impose limitations on himself, in thought as well as action. It is extremely effective in the west. Not so much the east because people there can usually see the bars. It's funny because North Korea is held up as the ultimate example of a propagandised state. In reality it's comedy hour compared to the slick and polished western version but the end result is of course the same.

Don't really understand the bit about Arsenal. I was talking about the shitty reporting and fake crisis generated around Ozil. Do the media spin the top four thing in our favour? I haven't noticed that. I think you are more likely to hear 5 years without a trophy, 6 years without a trophy, 7 years... Anyway, if you are asking why haven't the fans committed to not winning trophies the answer is pretty obvious. Fans want trophies, they want their team to win something on their behalf. Why would they buy into not winning. There's no propaganda involved in this. We moved stadium, funded it at the expense of the squad and now we're supposed to have enough cash to reverse the trend. But we'll see. I don't think anyone at Arsenal has been trying to sell the virtues of not winning, when did that happen? Wenger said 4th was like a trophy, apparently, but surely he was speaking about the achievement of hanging on under financial restrictions and reaping the financial benefits when we most needed revenue? I doubt he meant it in the sense that 4th is somehow superior to third or second or first. Is that what you think he meant?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

You can't escape the media as they influence almost everyone around you. For example, you are forced to live in a world (or at least a part of it) that see's America as a progressive and liberal nation rather than a war driven corporation. I tuned them out for a while too but it left me wondering why almost everyone I met was delusional. At first I thought it was a bacteria or a germ that had invaded the planet from outer space and had rendered humanity mentally helpless. Then it dawned it was a lot more serious than that.

:haha:

:gp: throughout, but that bit in bold is especially brilliant.

[Power n Glory]

But I said most, not all. Advertising, I hate it. All of it. But advertisers spend their own time and money so I have no ideological or humanitarian problems with it. Advertising is a completely different thing.

And this - "a lot of people have lost faith in politics". Lost faith? My point exactly. Politics, politicians, democracy, representation. The aim is not to have faith or withdraw as the only alternative, the aim is to instruct and direct "representatives" and "servants" and have them execute. This is a classic example of the twist that reaches all the way through society. You see how propaganda works? Even when you are "rebelling" you are acknowledging the abdication of your own responsibilities and will. Of course it is complex, propaganda is a science that has developed over centuries. It's a vital component that has always empowered the few in dictating to the many. Its real aim is to have the victim impose limitations on himself, in thought as well as action. It is extremely effective in the west. Not so much the east because people there can usually see the bars. It's funny because North Korea is held up as the ultimate example of a propagandised state. In reality it's comedy hour compared to the slick and polished western version but the end result is of course the same.

Don't really understand the bit about Arsenal. I was talking about the shitty reporting and fake crisis generated around Ozil. Do the media spin the top four thing in our favour? I haven't noticed that. I think you are more likely to hear 5 years without a trophy, 6 years without a trophy, 7 years... Anyway, if you are asking why haven't the fans committed to not winning trophies the answer is pretty obvious. Fans want trophies, they want their team to win something on their behalf. Why would they buy into not winning. There's no propaganda involved in this. We moved stadium, funded it at the expense of the squad and now we're supposed to have enough cash to reverse the trend. But we'll see. I don't think anyone at Arsenal has been trying to sell the virtues of not winning, when did that happen? Wenger said 4th was like a trophy, apparently, but surely he was speaking about the achievement of hanging on under financial restrictions and reaping the financial benefits when we most needed revenue? I doubt he meant it in the sense that 4th is somehow superior to third or second or first. Is that what you think he meant?

I think there is a seperate debate to be had regarding politics, capitalism and media. I won't go into much detail on that. It goes deeper than following media trends and the ruling class have always imposed their will way before media propaganda.

As for Arsenal, the fans are hit with PR and spin from both sides of the fence. But as an Arsenal follower that historically trusts the opinion of our players, coach and staff over terrible MOTD pundits and tabloid trash, how is it possible for my opinion to suddenly be influenced by sources I've always considered untrustworthy?

It's why I disagree wholeheartedly with Wenger's statement about our fans being brainwashed by the media. It's patronising. I follow Arsenal news sources on a everyday basis and form my opinion from there on. Shouldn't we all be just as subseptible to Arsenal's propaganda machine and 'brainwashing'? Yes, I mean the constant messages from Wenger about patience, 4th being like a trophy, not needing to spend crazy money to play great football, youth development....etc. Our club uses the same tools to communicate with its fans and there was a time we accepted that message during the transistion but now it's met with resistance. It has nothing to do with other media sources, it's just down to what we've seen over the years.

With Ozil, it didn't take this media frenzy to see he was under performing. I said ages ago the media would jump all over him if he doesn't pick up the slack and that's why I posted up the German fans story in the first place. Some posters had a problem with the criticism and I always said this is minor in comparison what we've seen in the past. Hence....

[Power n Glory]

They'll report on the good stuff too. It's all down to Mesut.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/09/arsenal-everton-fa-cup-match-report


Wenger admitted afterwards that Özil needed time to recover from the crushing disappointment of missing a highly tense, high-profile penalty against Bayern Munich in the first leg of Arsenal's Champions League bout. "I think it affected him mentally too much," Wenger said. "It was not only physical, it was mental. He had the feeling he let the team down at a very important moment of the game. That affected his performance very much. Psychologically sometimes the wound is like a physical one. You can talk and talk and talk but it takes time. You just have to leave it to time. I think he is over it. He has a good opportunity to show on Tuesday night how good he is."


Wenger has challenged him to score more goals. In steering Santi Cazorla's pass into the far corner of Joel Robles' net Özil showed the kind of instincts his manager hopes to make more prominent. "I would like him to find the right balance between being a provider and finisher," Wenger said. "At the moment the balance is a bit detrimental to the finishing. His strong side is providing. But he is pacy – much quicker than people think – and with that technical quality and that pace, if he gets into the right areas and with the service we have, he can score goals. He wants to score more goals, I am convinced of that."

Wenger will challenge him to bag more goals. He's on the money regarding his pace and technical skill. Has the potential to be a show stealer and that's what Wenger is looking to get out of him.

[Niall_Quinn]

And yet, as the top headline in the Daily Zyklon B:

Premier League Power Rankings: Find out who is the best player in England right now in our top 10... and, no, you're not in Mesut!

This after the guy puts in a MOTM performance. Now don't tell me there isn't an agenda. Yaya Toure will be "in it" and he's been abject shit on his last few outings. However - he scored that boot swinging fluke and while the reality doesn't amuse these journo cunts, shit like that does. Ozil's goal was 100x better than Toure's because Ozil meant it and could actually repeat it. Journos always want the fantasy though.

And oh look - Gerrard is top. Really then, they just report the facts. There is no agenda.

[selassie]

They'll report on the good stuff too. It's all down to Mesut.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/09/arsenal-everton-fa-cup-match-report


Wenger has challenged him to score more goals. In steering Santi Cazorla's pass into the far corner of Joel Robles' net Özil showed the kind of instincts his manager hopes to make more prominent. "I would like him to find the right balance between being a provider and finisher," Wenger said. "At the moment the balance is a bit detrimental to the finishing. His strong side is providing. But he is pacy – much quicker than people think – and with that technical quality and that pace, if he gets into the right areas and with the service we have, he can score goals. He wants to score more goals, I am convinced of that."

Wenger will challenge him to bag more goals. He's on the money regarding his pace and technical skill. Has the potential to be a show stealer and that's what Wenger is looking to get out of him.

Yep, I definitely think Arsene wants and believes Ozil can develop into Fabregas MKII, i.e. comfortable double figures for both assists and goals. Fabregas stats towards the end of his career with us were ridiculous, he was on like 20+ goals a season and 20+ assists.

IMHO Ozil has more upside in his game than Fabregas did to perfect the role Arsene has given him and is challenging him with. Ozil definitely has the potential to succeed in this role by both delivering high numbers for goals and assists.

[Power n Glory]

And yet, as the top headline in the Daily Zyklon B:

Premier League Power Rankings: Find out who is the best player in England right now in our top 10... and, no, you're not in Mesut!

This after the guy puts in a MOTM performance. Now don't tell me there isn't an agenda. Yaya Toure will be "in it" and he's been abject shit on his last few outings. However - he scored that boot swinging fluke and while the reality doesn't amuse these journo cunts, shit like that does. Ozil's goal was 100x better than Toure's because Ozil meant it and could actually repeat it. Journos always want the fantasy though.

And oh look - Gerrard is top. Really then, they just report the facts. There is no agenda.

You're looking for the negatives. That's one rag out of many. Arteta made that list but you failed to mention that. So is the agenda anti Ozil or Arsenal? Who gives a shit!

[Power n Glory]

Yep, I definitely think Arsene wants and believes Ozil can develop into Fabregas MKII, i.e. comfortable double figures for both assists and goals. Fabregas stats towards the end of his career with us were ridiculous, he was on like 20+ goals a season and 20+ assists.

IMHO Ozil has more upside in his game than Fabregas did to perfect the role Arsene has given him and is challenging him with. Ozil definitely has the potential to succeed in this role by both delivering high numbers for goals and assists.

Cesc was a different animal. He'd control the tempo and pace of a game like Pirlo and Xavi but could also bang in goals and assists.

I don't see Ozil developing into that Fabregas role. I see him more as a Pires. The way he floats all over the pitch and looking at his goal, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger tries him out wide. But if he doesn't he will always find space in the wide areas.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're looking for the negatives. That's one rag out of many. Arteta made that list but you failed to mention that. So is the agenda anti Ozil or Arsenal? Who gives a shit!

Why the need for that addition to the end of the headline? That's the question.

Unfortunately bog roll like the Sun and the Daily Mail set the tone due to their inexplicable circulation. The broadsheets have to maintain the pretence of respectability while they push their own bullshit distortion of the world, so it can sometimes appear there is counterbalance. But it's all bullshit and all marketing angles.

[Power n Glory]

Why the need for that addition to the end of the headline? That's the question.

Unfortunately bog roll like the Sun and the Daily Mail set the tone due to their inexplicable circulation. The broadsheets have to maintain the pretence of respectability while they push their own bullshit distortion of the world, so it can sometimes appear there is counterbalance. But it's all bullshit and all marketing angles.

It doesn't set the tone if most papers are saying Ozil had a good game. We can end this discussion.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sun and the Daily Mail

LOL - the silent edit.

[selassie]

Cesc was a different animal. He'd control the tempo and pace of a game like Pirlo and Xavi but could also bang in goals and assists.

I don't see Ozil developing into that Fabregas role. I see him more as a Pires. The way he floats all over the pitch and looking at his goal, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger tries him out wide. But if he doesn't he will always find space in the wide areas.

Yeah true, I agree that Cesc did control the tempo of a game, that really isn't Ozil's style. I suppose the comparisons I was trying to make between the two were more in terms of the kind of numbers Arsene wants Ozil to deliver to the team and that they would be similar-ish to Cesc's contribution.

[AFC Leveller]

Cesc was like Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes etc where as Ozil is more like Zidane, Pires etc players who dont really control the tempo of the game and dont run arounf making tackles but their passing, movement and exceptional awareness makes them stand out in moments rather than throughout the 90 minutes.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah true, I agree that Cesc did control the tempo of a game, that really isn't Ozil's style. I suppose the comparisons I was trying to make between the two were more in terms of the kind of numbers Arsene wants Ozil to deliver to the team and that they would be similar-ish to Cesc's contribution.

I hear you. I think Wenger will push Ozil to his limits and he'll be a even better if he trains hard and listens. We haven't seen anything yet.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cesc was like Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes etc where as Ozil is more like Zidane, Pires etc players who dont really control the tempo of the game and dont run arounf making tackles but their passing, movement and exceptional awareness makes them stand out in moments rather than throughout the 90 minutes.

Pires yes, don't agree with that regarding Zidane though. He could completely boss a game from a 10 yard patch on the pitch. Everything went to him and he opened up everything for the rest of the team. Amazing player. Better than Messi, better than Ronaldo, even better than that chav who is the best player in the world whose name I can't remember.

[AFC Leveller]

Pires yes, don't agree with that regarding Zidane though. He could completely boss a game from a 10 yard patch on the pitch. Everything went to him and he opened up everything for the rest of the team. Amazing player. Better than Messi, better than Ronaldo, even better than that chav who is the best player in the world whose name I can't remember.

Zidane is my favourite player of all time so i agree with whatever you have to say about him!

He did run games but he wasnt like these new deep play makers who dictate the pace and set the tempo. He was more like a boss who could do whatever he wanted to.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiepI-LIcAAOevA.jpg

How on earth did they get this inside the ground?

[Power n Glory]

How on earth did they get this inside the ground?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/0d/0d705f02807d142208c8af5f89850babdbf02ef2065ebb9b60 8b5dc44cef237b.jpg

How else?

[Xhaka Can’t]

:lol:

[Power n Glory]

Cesc was a different animal. He'd control the tempo and pace of a game like Pirlo and Xavi but could also bang in goals and assists.

I don't see Ozil developing into that Fabregas role. I see him more as a Pires. The way he floats all over the pitch and looking at his goal, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger tries him out wide. But if he doesn't he will always find space in the wide areas.

It didn't tale long for Wenger to try this. I'm not sure if he's physically capable of playing down the flanks because of how demanding it is. He pulled a hammy quickly which could just be a coincidence.

[AFC Leveller]

From his official Facebook page:

dear friends,
now it's clear: during the ‪#‎ucl‬ match against ‪#‎FCBayern‬ I suffered a muscle injury in the second minute. I tried to give my best and played until the end of the first half. rest assured that I'll be back even stronger!


Seems like he's feeling the pressure.

[Injury Time]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiepI-LIcAAOevA.jpg

How on earth did they get this inside the ground?
:shrug: There is a slightly less provocative official version erected at the cock I mean clock end-at The Emirates, I guess Arsenal wants to extract the pink pound

[Power n Glory]

From his official Facebook page:

dear friends,
now it's clear: during the ‪#‎ucl‬ match against ‪#‎FCBayern‬ I suffered a muscle injury in the second minute. I tried to give my best and played until the end of the first half. rest assured that I'll be back even stronger!


Seems like he's feeling the pressure.

He's feeling the pressure. It's good to see the effort but it was a nothing game. I hope it's not too serious.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

So no Ozil and more importantly, no Ramsey for Spurs.

I see the decision not to invest in January paid off.

[Marc Overmars]

Relax man. Kallstrom has got this.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Özil has been injured for 7 ½ weeks in his years at Schalke, Bremen & Madrid. Joins Arsenal - so far already out for 8 weeks (3 injuries).

[Özim]

Relax man. Kallstrom has got this.

:goodpost: Quality player, he's a late developer, very late that's why noone's heard of him.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Levy will want to avoid getting caught out by Arsenal again this summer. To stop Arsenal signing Mesut Özil, Levy was ready to call off Bale’s record move to Real Madrid until Arsenal's transfer negotiator Dick Law made a last-gasp dash from Germany to London to attend Arsenal’s victory over Spurs at the Emirates on Sept 1. That convinced Levy that Özil could not be joining Arsenal, but Law flew back to Germany and 24 hours later the £42.4 million deal was announced.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10699413/Tottenham-v-Arsenal-Quality-before-quantity-is-way-ahead-for-Spurs.html

If that's true then it's.... impressive.

[Niall_Quinn]

Can you actually be caught out in a transfer deal - when it's not your club doing the deal? Maybe Levy should focus more on his own team?

Or maybe not. Look who they spunked £100mill on. LOL.

[Penguin]

I doubt that's true, even Levy isn't that obsessed with Arsenal.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I doubt that's true, even Levy isn't that obsessed with Arsenal.

he actually is. that whole club is. there were stories when we signed Ozil that Levy phoned Perez to stop the deal.

[Niall_Quinn]

They obviously didn't understand the terms of the deal they struck with Marketing. They must have had a different idea of what the role of a feeder club is.

[Injury Time]

I'm guessing the press are ready to pounce on another Özil no show performance this afternoon :sulk:

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLl0HUCMAAV4es.jpg

[Ollie the Optimist]

Mesut Ozil is just awesome


and he is our player.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He's shit, get rid.

[Injury Time]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLl0HUCMAAV4es.jpg

Title: biggest waste of money
Title: player most likely to cry
Title: most like Nemö
Title: player most likely to have a thyroid problem
Title: player who better deliver next year or NQ is going to kill him
Title: FA Cup winning hatrick scorer
Title: the most likely to Arshavin

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689423/Mesut-Ozil-laid-Emirates-hospitality-Met-police-officers-24-hours-assault-investigation.html

WTF is wrong with them? And they provided evidence against Özil? Pathetic.

[Injury Time]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689423/Mesut-Ozil-laid-Emirates-hospitality-Met-police-officers-24-hours-assault-investigation.html

WTF is wrong with them? And they provided evidence against Özil? Pathetic.

Time for Gooners to boycott The Mail tbf #stealingaliving

[The Emirates Gallactico]

What an awful rag.

Do they have any proof that they were the same police officers that were investigating the case?
Do they have any proof that Ozil invited them?
Heck, I'm curious to know how they know they're police officers?

No they just want to continue to pollute his reputation in England.


Mind you I've got to say I'm shocked that the police actually fucking investigated something so minor as some scum paparazi getting clipped by Ozil's car. Don't they have anything better to do like solve actual crime like murders, robberies and rapes? Whenever I need the police for anything serious they're fucking useless, don't turn up and when they do they never investigate it. Just send me a letter stating that, "sorry you're a victim of crime here's your reference number" ...... and that's the end of it.

The Police and The Daily Mail, both terrible institutions. :rose:


Time for a mass boycott among the Arsenal fanbase. And that means no clicking on their links.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2689423/Mesut-Ozil-laid-Emirates-hospitality-Met-police-officers-24-hours-assault-investigation.html

WTF is wrong with them? And they provided evidence against Özil? Pathetic.

It's more than pathetic, it's sinister and it demonstrates a clear agenda. If we do a quick search for the intrepid Daily Mail's evidence gathering campaign in the 'Arry RedCrook trial I wonder what would be found? I'll bet right now, nothing at all. Anyone still claiming there isn't a concerted campaign against Ozil by this rag is ignoring the evidence.

Meanwhile the establishment is swimming in paedophiles, the city is drowning in crooks, plenty of investigations there if the Mail is suddenly back into investigative journalism rather than it's standard shock and horror third party bullshit.

Also, like all paparazzi, I hope that cunt was seriously injured and dies.

[Niall_Quinn]

What an awful rag.

Do they have any proof that they were the same police officers that were investigating the case?
Do they have any proof that Ozil invited them?
Heck, I'm curious to know how they know they're police officers?

No they just want to continue to pollute his reputation in England.


Mind you I've got to say I'm shocked that the police actually fucking investigated something so minor as some scum paparazi getting clipped by Ozil's car. Don't they have anything better to do like solve actual crime like murders, robberies and rapes? Whenever I need the police for anything serious they're fucking useless, don't turn up and when they do they never investigate it. Just send me a letter stating that, "sorry you're a victim of crime here's your reference number" ...... and that's the end of it.

The Police and The Daily Mail, both terrible institutions. :rose:


Time for a mass boycott among the Arsenal fanbase. And that means no clicking on their links.

Coppers are just government enforcers and paper pushers now. They don't investigate anything, more like they obstruct investigations and the rest of the time they are busy raising revenue by various means of entrapment and application of various forms of statutory taxation. Most of the ones I have encountered are thick as shit, pig ignorant little blokes hiding behind a uniform and a personality bypass. When the older generation of the population dies off mostly everyone will hate the pigs and rightly so. They abdicated their responsibilities and duties as peace officers a long time ago and now they are thuggish clerical officers for the corporate state. Of course there are still some decent people inthe force trying to do the job as it was meant to be done, but they are fighting a losing battle. When you remember the local copper on his bike and they you look at the cunts all decked out with armour the transformation is self evident. Eventually the people will rise up and crush the bastards.

[AFC Leveller]

Daily Fail are a horrible rag, really shallow and every gooner should boycott their paper/site.

[Master Splinter]

It's more than pathetic, it's sinister and it demonstrates a clear agenda. If we do a quick search for the intrepid Daily Mail's evidence gathering campaign in the 'Arry RedCrook trial I wonder what would be found? I'll bet right now, nothing at all. Anyone still claiming there isn't a concerted campaign against Ozil by this rag is ignoring the evidence.




It will even itself out when Arteta is sent off for being nowhere near a Crystal Palace player in the first game of the season and when we have five clear pelanties denied by Atkinson.

[Zerlathon]

Pretty much shows how desperate some photographers are to get their photos sold. The daily fail is the sun Mk II, so classy!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Mesut Ozil voted as the best player of #GER for the third time running.

Media :haha:

[Penguin]

By who? :blink:

[GP]

By people who know what the fuck they're talking about.

[Xhaka Can’t]

By people who know what the fuck they're talking about.
NAMBLA?

[GP]

NAMBLA?

I do like Marlon Brando tbh

[Injury Time]

http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=6150
:bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=6150
:bow:

You can prove anything with facts!

[Niall_Quinn]

The fans could see the contribution he was making and how vital he was to the overall German game. But apparently the media can't see this. And who paid Breitner to talk such utter shit I wonder? Or is he really that blind and stupid? Remember John Terry and his racist shite? You'd be forgiven if you didn't because you have fucks like Martin Samuel praising him to the rafters and lamenting what might have been had captain courageous been picked for the England squad. All is forgiven apparently. Nothing wrong with that apart from the fact Terry is well past his sell by date. A person makes a mistake, they suffer the consequences (some more than others) and the world moves on. Unless you are Ozil. It seems the crime of signing for Arsenal is unforgivable. The seething jealousy will never be eased.

He almost signed for Utd you know? But they turned him down and bought Fellaini instead. Hard to believe (probably because it's not true). But say he had signed for Utd. A very different tune would be playing now, wouldn't it? Let the media hacks deny it if they want but we all know how this works. Some teams are entitled to operate on the biggest stage, others aren't. Excluding Cahil, Merts and Kos were the top defensive pair in the league last season. Did they get the Terry and Kompany treatment? Nope, Merts is too slow - did you know? He's simply not good enough to get more caps for Germany than Franz Beckenbauer. We hates him, we hates the Mertesacker, my preshus, my Kompany. Merts and Kos were also two of the top rated passers in the league btw. But they are slow and lack leadership.

And they've already started on Sanchez. Before he kicks a ball he's another flop like Ozil, a failure at Barcelona apparently. Again, the stats tell the opposite and his performance in the World Cup was inconveniently accomplished, but he's a flop nonetheless. Not as good as Suarez btw, because that how all players should be judged. Schweinsteiger :haha: Flop. Not as good as Messi.

The media was also told in no uncertain terms about Moyes. But when they love you they love you. The fans knew what would happen there and of course it unfolded exactly as predicted because some things are just fucking blatantly obvious. Like Ozil's talent.

[Penguin]

By who? :blink:

I didn't get a reply so I googled it - he won the German footballer of the year award in January. The voting was probably done in November/December 2013. There's no way he would have won it if the voting was done after the world cup.

Still, I think we'll see much more from him next season. There's less pressure on him now, he has a season in the Premier League under his belt and with the signing of Sanchez and hopefully another forward, he will have better movement and pace to make best use of his vision.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I didn't get a reply so I googled it - he won the German footballer of the year award in January. The voting was probably done in November/December 2013. There's no way he would have won it if the voting was done after the world cup.

Still, I think we'll see much more from him next season. There's less pressure on him now, he has a season in the Premier League under his belt and with the signing of Sanchez and hopefully another forward, he will have better movement and pace to make best use of his vision.

Doesn't surprise me. He was immense for Germany in their qualifying campaign to get to Brazil ...... leading goal scorer I believe.

He was shifted out wide during the WC because of Reus' injury and performed admirably there without obviously the same goals output as a result. A feat recognised by a world class manager like Low however sadly unrecognised by rent-a-gob's like Breitner, cunts in the English media and bitter opposing fans.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I didn't get a reply so I googled it - he won the German footballer of the year award in January. The voting was probably done in November/December 2013. There's no way he would have won it if the voting was done after the world cup.

Still, I think we'll see much more from him next season. There's less pressure on him now, he has a season in the Premier League under his belt and with the signing of Sanchez and hopefully another forward, he will have better movement and pace to make best use of his vision.

You got a reply. You decided to be a sheep and pursue it further, just like the media who look to discount everything he does.

[Penguin]

You got a reply. You decided to be a sheep and pursue it further, just like the media who look to discount everything he does.

As a great man once said, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Show me the post where someone answered my question... oh wait nobody did. :rolleyes:

It's a fact that the award was given in January, before the drop in Ozil's performances for us and before the world cup. It was before he got booed off by the voters themselves - the German fans. If the vote was done now he would have absolutely no chance of winning it over the likes of Muller and Lahm. He'd be lucky to get in the top five. So it's kinda irrelevant to use that award to defend his performances in the world cup.

And I'm a sheep? Really? I was one of the few on who were defending Ozil when he was getting slaughtered by the majority on this board at the back end of last season. I said he was being misused by Wenger by using the wrong players and system to get the best out of him. Now it seems like you've gone the other way and are pretending he's playing great when he's not. Middle ground please.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Show me the post where someone answered my question... oh wait nobody did. :rolleyes:


http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2536&page=80&p=410129&viewfull=1#post410129

And what newspaper do you work for?

[Syn]

You got a reply. You decided to be a sheep and pursue it further, just like the media who look to discount everything he does.

No, he obviously didn't get a reply. It's a completely fair question to ask what the source was for the award. And it turns out he's absolutely right. Stop being a tit.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Guys feel free to disagree, but tone down the name calling a notch. :good:

[GP]

Fuck off Randy

[Xhaka Can’t]

Show me the post where someone answered my question... oh wait nobody did. :rolleyes:

It's a fact that the award was given in January, before the drop in Ozil's performances for us and before the world cup. It was before he got booed off by the voters themselves - the German fans. If the vote was done now he would have absolutely no chance of winning it over the likes of Muller and Lahm. He'd be lucky to get in the top five. So it's kinda irrelevant to use that award to defend his performances in the world cup.

And I'm a sheep? Really? I was one of the few on who were defending Ozil when he was getting slaughtered by the majority on this board at the back end of last season. I said he was being misused by Wenger by using the wrong players and system to get the best out of him. Now it seems like you've gone the other way and are pretending he's playing great when he's not. Middle ground please.

A fair point and a pretty good assessment. It was right that the source of the poll was asked for so that there could at least be an understanding of the context.

[Power n Glory]

Show me the post where someone answered my question... oh wait nobody did. :rolleyes:

It's a fact that the award was given in January, before the drop in Ozil's performances for us and before the world cup. It was before he got booed off by the voters themselves - the German fans. If the vote was done now he would have absolutely no chance of winning it over the likes of Muller and Lahm. He'd be lucky to get in the top five. So it's kinda irrelevant to use that award to defend his performances in the world cup.

And I'm a sheep? Really? I was one of the few on who were defending Ozil when he was getting slaughtered by the majority on this board at the back end of last season. I said he was being misused by Wenger by using the wrong players and system to get the best out of him. Now it seems like you've gone the other way and are pretending he's playing great when he's not. Middle ground please.

:gp: I don’t all the way agree with the system/players around Ozil argument. We can improve but Ozil will need to grow into his role and accept a higher level of responsibility. There will be more pressure on him compared to what was at Real but I hoping he grows into it. I’ve never agreed with the people that say he’s playing great. The German fans have noticed a difference and I hope next season he comes back firing.

[Injury Time]

#stealingalivinglikeRobinHood :sulk:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/arsenal-star-mesut-ozil-donates-3m-brazil-world-cup-winnings-gaza-1456910?


Germany and Arsenal superstar Mesut Ozil is to donate his £350,000 [$600,000] World Cup winnings to the children of Gaza following his country's triumph in the global spectacle.

[Niall_Quinn]

#stealingalivinglikeRobinHood :sulk:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/arsenal-star-mesut-ozil-donates-3m-brazil-world-cup-winnings-gaza-1456910?

If Carlsberg did fucking good blokes...

That's superb. That's not only a great cause but also the ultimate way to poke a finger in the eye of the media who have been persecuting him for choosing the wrong team. And some of you will know what I mean by that. Not saying he meant it, but if he did :bow:

Expect some serious shit coming his way now, particularly made up stuff. Particularly from the Daily Jackboot.

I trust all Arsenal fans will stick 100% behind him.

[Niall_Quinn]

According to the Middle East Monitor, Ozil caused controversy when he declined to shake a Fifa official's hand because of his support for Israel.


After reaching the second round of the tournament, Algeria donated their £5.25m prize money to the people of Gaza.

Meanwhile Cameron is busy selling weapons to Nazis.

But still - it's good to know there are still decent and courageous people in the world. And it takes a hell of a lot of courage to go against the grain on this particular issue when you are in the public eye.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The Gaza thing is apparently not true however Ozil did donate his entire World Cup earnings to building projects for under privileged kids in Brazil instead.


Rob Harris ✔ @RobHarris
Follow
Story spreading on Ozil WC winnings not true. @MesutOzil1088's spokesman told @AP that Ozil's donating money to projects in Brazil NOT Gaza


What a terrible person, spending his money helping Brazilian kids instead of English ones. :rolleyes:

#DailyMail

[Niall_Quinn]

What a shame, because it would have rammed a grenade right up certain arses. But I guess Brazil was the smarter move, still a worthy cause but without the fallout.

So now I wonder how this story spread? It stinks to high heaven of THEM.

[torontogooner]

#stealingalivinglikeRobinHood :sulk:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/arsenal-star-mesut-ozil-donates-3m-brazil-world-cup-winnings-gaza-1456910?

What a classy guy!!!

[Maestro]

The Gaza thing is apparently not true however Ozil did donate his entire World Cup earnings to building projects for under privileged kids in Brazil instead.



What a terrible person, spending his money helping Brazilian kids instead of good honest English ones. :rolleyes:

#DailyMail

:haha:

[Maestro]

Happy Birthday Nemo

Keep up the good work

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mesut-ozil-27-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-arsenal-midfielder-on-his-birthday-a6694976.html

[PGFC]

Sell him, he smokes and eats kebabs :sulk:

[GP]

So do I!!

[JSAO]

So do I!!

Sell you then......

[GP]

Chance would be a fine thing.

[Niall_Quinn]

So finally the British media has had to admit Ozil is not as bad as was first announced. Irritating stuff like most chances created, most assists, sublime skill and vision. And all from a player who cold have been declared brilliant from day one, if only he'd had the sense to join the right club.

But it's not all bad news. He might have found a way, through his football, to evade criticism in England but there are still Germans who don't like him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3303514/Mesut-Ozil-returns-Germany-Bayern-Munich-clash-Arsenal-star-prove-worth-fire-club-famous-win.html

[selassie]

I thought he was superb last night.

[Niall_Quinn]

I thought he was superb last night.

He played well and kept plugging away even though the goals were flying in at the wrong end. But we'll only keep players of this calibre if we show some intent during the next two transfer windows.

[selassie]

He played well and kept plugging away even though the goals were flying in at the wrong end. But we'll only keep players of this calibre if we show some intent during the next two transfer windows.

I agree, him and Sanchez won't stick around for Europa and 3rd place finishes.

[selassie]

Ozil has been our best player this season IMO, he's playing at a very high level. I admit I haven't been convinced of him up until this season but right now he's crucial to this team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Best player in the PL. And we have the second best player too, Alexis. We'd be fucked without these two and by some act of God they haven't been swept up in the injury fad. I know every fan thinks they probably have the best players, but if you have been watching Ozil recently nobody else in the league can play at that level. And the overall package that Alexis brings is amazing as well. How many laps of the planet do he do last night. He out-Englishes the English in terms of getting around the pitch but he also has the skill, technique and vision. That cross last night was laser guided.

[selassie]

Best player in the PL. And we have the second best player too, Alexis. We'd be fucked without these two and by some act of God they haven't been swept up in the injury fad. I know every fan thinks they probably have the best players, but if you have been watching Ozil recently nobody else in the league can play at that level. And the overall package that Alexis brings is amazing as well. How many laps of the planet do he do last night. He out-Englishes the English in terms of getting around the pitch but he also has the skill, technique and vision. That cross last night was laser guided.

:gp:

Aye, need to keep em both wrapped in cotton wool, they will both define our season IMO.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:cloud9:

[LDG]

Was magic today. Deserved more for his effort.

When he gets the ball, he must look up and go :doh:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Was magic today. Deserved more for his effort.

When he gets the ball, he must look up and go :doh:

Did he see your face?

[LDG]

Did he see your face?

Yeah, lol. He was probably on his way to the bottlebank or something :haha: lol.

[mastermind84]

Best player in the world that doesn't play for Barcelona.

[Özim]

Quality player, always has been, sometimes it takes a player that comes from abroad a while to settle in.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Shame it ended badly but Arsenal have announced today that Ozil has left

[Marc Overmars]

He was a magician at times but this thread and the other one sums up how up and down his form was.

[Globalgunner]

His mentality was always his weakest aspect. Managers before have commented on the same thing. He is not purpose driven. If he worked in a company. He would be happy peaking out as head of sales.

[Letters]

His goodbye letter to the fans was nice.
His PR has always been on point (as the kids are saying, or were a year or two ago!)

[I am invisible]

Oh my god, I’m so glad this is finally over! Should have happened years ago.

Hope he rediscovers his love for the game at Fener because he’s a terrific player when he can actually be bothered. If he’d brought even half the bloody-minded determination to the field that he had for defending a contract then he could have been a genuine world-beater. What a shame.

[Chippy]

His goodbye letter to the fans was nice.
His PR has always been on point (as the kids are saying, or were a year or two ago!)

I could not help reading the early posts when we signed him. What an exciting day that was.
Mind you, there was an unusually high use of the word "jizz" 😆 I remember one of the mods created a jizz icon :rolleyes: