New manager

[Darknight02]

I've been a fan of AW a long time but following today's game I like many of you guys am really thinking that it's time to leave for AW.

I think after today's defeat he'll take a long hard look at himself and realise that he's taken this team as far as he can. I don't think he will look at games against the very best teams in the league and realise that he can carry on.

The sad thing is that he has shot himself in the foot without investing in proper players not once but twice over this season when he had the best chance to win the premier league. And it's this lack that has led to this side failing.

Everyone knew this squad was threadbare and he has plenty of time to rectify but didn't.

I hope he manages to win the FA Cup this year so he can leave with a trophy and having overseen a really testing time in our history.

The question I ask is who is available to replace him? And who would we like and who could we get? Really sad to see but I think he'll leave of his own accord at the end of the season.

The final nail in the coffin today.

Also the players were an absolute disgrace today. Make no mistake about that.

[KSE Comedy Club]

There is clearly something goin on internally.

Bould and wenger shouldn't be arguing on the touchline for a start. I cannot help but think that Bould isn't a yes man and so wenger doesn't like it.

I think he should go, win the fa cup and bow out with something.

We have to try and get Klopp though, he would be awlsome.

[Letters]

If we win the FA Cup then I want Wenger to stay. If we don't then I don't although I have no clue who I'd want instead.

[Alpha]

I can see where a disappointment of a single game lost can bring people . Everyone who loves Arsenal is deeply shocked and disappointed today . But looking for a new manager and forgetting what Wenger has done for the team is criminal . Do we want another David Moyes at Arsenal ? who said that so called " manager" will be better than Arsene ?
I think Wenger is still the right man to lead the team to the promise land .
You can not achieve big things without being hurt . Last week chelsea were hurt at Aston Villa . Today is our turn . And life goes on .

[Munchies]

Klopp.

[fakeyank]

Guus Hiddink, Simeone, Van Gaal, Deschamps, Bergkamp are just a few.

I'm sure there are many hungry young managers who can do much better. Managers similar to Roberto Martinez, Klopp, Brendan Rogers. We have to stop fearing and start moving on. It's like being in an abusive relationship because you only know the other person and think that there is no one out there. Time to stop the rot and have a serious look around.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I can see where a disappointment of a single game lost can bring people .

You may have made a good point subsequently, but I just had to stop there. Because that first sentence is simply so far off the mark it is unreal.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Why has every new manager got to be a 'David moyes' ???

At the end if the day at some point wenger will be gone and there will be life at arsenal afterwards.

[KSE Comedy Club]

If we win the FA Cup then I want Wenger to stay. If we don't then I don't although I have no clue who I'd want instead.

I'm sorry but an fa cup win is just not enough to justify him staying anymore.

We've just had another car crash game against one of our 'rivals'. The same type of team we always seem to loose to and have no chance of beating anymore it would seem.

Over the long term we are seeing the same season on repeat.

It's time for a change

[Ollie the Optimist]

Ive seen a lot of people calling for Klopp but this season has been awful for dortmund. perhaps caution needed with him.

Id love Ancelotti

[Xhaka Can’t]

Why has every new manager got to be a 'David moyes' ???

At the end if the day at some point wenger will be gone and there will be life at arsenal afterwards.


It is fear of the unknown.

I think we can attract a top quality manager now (not Van Gal for the love of god), precisely because of what Wenger has done for the Club in terms of maintaining a steady ship through the financial pain of the stadium.

We are in great shape for a new guy - CL football, a crapload of money and no recent legacy to speak of.

This is an ideal time to bring a new guy in.

[ARightTouch]

It is fear of the unknown.

I think we can attract a top quality manager now (not Van Gal for the love of god), precisely because of what Wenger has done for the Club in terms of maintaining a steady ship through the financial pain of the stadium.

We are in great shape for a new guy - CL football, a crapload of money and no recent legacy to speak of.

This is an ideal time to bring a new guy in.

:gp:

How dumb would we feel though, if a new manager came in at the start of next season and 'did a Moyes'

Having said that, I would rather take that risk than go through the pains of this and previous seasons once more. I think we could have won the title this season. So for that reason, Wenger out.

[Bumble]

well the board wont get rid of wenger because of what happened at united. even though I do think moyes is a good manager but they need more of an overhaul than we do.

no idea who could replace him though. cant be bergkamp as he wont fly. plus no management experience. what would have been good if there was succession planning going on eg bould.

[Power n Glory]

Moyes is a negative example. How about a mention to Brendan Rogers or Martinez?

[Alpha]

Guus Hiddink, Simeone, Van Gaal, Deschamps, Bergkamp are just a few.

I'm sure there are many hungry young managers who can do much better. Managers similar to Roberto Martinez, Klopp, Brendan Rogers. We have to stop fearing and start moving on. It's like being in an abusive relationship because you only know the other person and think that there is no one out there. Time to stop the rot and have a serious look around.

I would have loved to see those people have their 1000th game before I compare them to Wenger . Real Madrid , Arguably the biggest team in the world , have always wanted to sign Wenger while all those people are around and have never been mentioned . Wenger is far better than all these clowns .

[Alpha]

Why has every new manager got to be a 'David moyes' ???

At the end if the day at some point wenger will be gone and there will be life at arsenal afterwards.

Very good point . Wenger will certainly go one day . But that day is not today . Not even tomorrow . He still has some few months on his contract and chance is he might sign a new one . Why think about after Wenger when the man is still there ?

[Alpha]

Moyes is a negative example. How about a mention to Brendan Rogers or Martinez?

Give them 5 or 7 years and see how their consistency will be . You might chance your mind .

[JonasTC]

I still believe Wenger is one of the best managers in the world, if he had been given unlimited funds like most managers in other top clubs, it wouldnt had been 9 years without a trophy, what he has done with no money is amazing, first transfer window when he has money and he goes out and brings in the best (and might even win a trophy in his first year with transfer money). If he is still here, we will see another Özil signing no doubt, if he brings in a 40m striker or midfielder, it can change our team to a real threat next season.

IF he is not here after the summer, i would love to see Laudrup given the chance, he have always gotten the best out of his teams and plays exciting football. Rodgers and Martinez are doing amazing with Everton and Liverpool, Laudrup took Swansea to another level, even when people didnt believe Swansea could do any better than with the 2 other mentioned.

I dont want us to bring in one of those "big name" managers that have never really done anything and changes to a new team every 2nd year, when they once again have shown that they cant really do anything special.

[Letters]

I'm sorry but an fa cup win is just not enough to justify him staying anymore.
Each to their own. 'Tis for me.

[Munchies]

Let's not act like Wenger has had no money. He has had some good money, not on the level as the other oilies , but certainly a fair bit to spunk on players like Squilachi/Santos.

He's had the money here too for a few seasons now, the club finance results had us on £70m for the summer, of which we only spent a net of £32m on Ozil. And for jan they went up to £120m. This is only going to go higher with the puma money coming in too.

He's far too useless in the transfer market at identifying talent for where the team needs improvement. And far too stubborn to stick with players like Arteta who are useless.

We should have pushed on in Jan, a left winger and a striker. But he didn't.

Ticket prices are increasing next season, but the money is hardly being invested into the squad.

[JonasTC]

Where are you getting those numbers from? It could be cash reserve, that are a whole nother thing in properly run business like Arsenal is.

[Power n Glory]

Give them 5 or 7 years and see how their consistency will be . You might chance your mind .

The same logic applies to Moyes if people want to use him as an example of what might go wrong if we change manager.

[Özim]

I would have loved to see those people have their 1000th game before I compare them to Wenger . Real Madrid , Arguably the biggest team in the world , have always wanted to sign Wenger while all those people are around and have never been mentioned . Wenger is far better than all these clowns .

Clowns? You want to look at the records of some of those managers before labelling then clowns, Van Gaal built one of the best Ajax sides ever and won the CL with a team that played total football, he's also got countless titles under his belt, Hiddink has got huge experience at International level where he has delivered teams who get to the latter stages of the biggest competitions (as well as winning titles domestically).

Simeone is doing a fantastic job at Athletico and seems to be an up and coming manager, Bergkamp is an unknwon but a clown he certainly isn't (ok his fear of flying might be a problem however).

[Munchies]

Where are you getting those numbers from? It could be cash reserve, that are a whole nother thing in properly run business like Arsenal is.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1716082/arsenal-financial-results-show-huge-surplus-accounts

with the accounts revealing the club boasts a huge 120.6 million-pound cash reserve.

Not saying that it should all be spent. But we could have easily pushed on in Jan.

[Özim]

No thanks to Laudrup, yes he did OK at Swansea before it went pearshaped, but his overall managerial record doesn't make pleasant reading.

[Alpha]

The same logic applies to Moyes if people want to use him as an example of what might go wrong if we change manager.
At least , Wenger's first season at Arsenal was not disastrous as Moyes's at United .

[Power n Glory]

At least , Wenger's first season at Arsenal was not disastrous as Moyes's at United .

That's pretty obvious. Moyes is an extreme example. United might as well have given the job to a nobody like Allardyce. It was that bad of a choice.

I don't think people should be pointing to Moyes as a reason why we shouldn't change manager. Wenger might throw in the towel after this season anyway.

[JonasTC]

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1716082/arsenal-financial-results-show-huge-surplus-accounts

with the accounts revealing the club boasts a huge 120.6 million-pound cash reserve.

Not saying that it should all be spent. But we could have easily pushed on in Jan.

Cash reserve is not transfer funds :s Lets forget about the winter transfer window tho', we all know we were never going to bring anyone proper in, good players go for 50%+ extra and almost no clubs are willing to pay that, even City refused to pay it for their targets... Utd ended up paying almost 40m for a 15-20m player, so you guys really need to stop with the winter transfer window bottling thing, Wenger or anyone else we bring in (except for Moyes) are never going to do that.

[selassie]

It is fear of the unknown.

I think we can attract a top quality manager now (not Van Gal for the love of god), precisely because of what Wenger has done for the Club in terms of maintaining a steady ship through the financial pain of the stadium.

We are in great shape for a new guy - CL football, a crapload of money and no recent legacy to speak of.

This is an ideal time to bring a new guy in.

Yep, I think Wenger has to go now, even if we win the FA Cup.

[JonasTC]

No thanks to Laudrup, yes he did OK at Swansea before it went pearshaped, but his overall managerial record doesn't make pleasant reading.

You cant be looking at the stats, but more what he was expected to do at those clubs. He has always exceeded what was expected at those (troubled) clubs and he did it playing beautiful football, even when playing the big clubs.

[selassie]

Cash reserve is not transfer funds :s Lets forget about the winter transfer window tho', we all know we were never going to bring anyone proper in, good players go for 50%+ extra and almost no clubs are willing to pay that, even City refused to pay it for their targets... Utd ended up paying almost 40m for a 15-20m player, so you guys really need to stop with the winter transfer window bottling thing, Wenger or anyone else we bring in (except for Moyes) are never going to do that.

Well it's been widely reported that the Money IS there, Wenger has a big transfer kitty, long gone are the days where he can plead poverty.

The reason we were all desperate for a signing in the Winter transfer window was because Wenger botched up the Summer window, it's as simple as that.

As far as I am concerned, if Wenger isn't prepared to spend the available funds on improving the squad then he shouldn't be in his job.

[Alpha]

Clowns? You want to look at the records of some of those managers before labelling then clowns, Van Gaal built one of the best Ajax sides ever and won the CL with a team that played total football, he's also got countless titles under his belt, Hiddink has got huge experience at International level where he has delivered teams who get to the latter stages of the biggest competitions (as well as winning titles domestically).

Simeone is doing a fantastic job at Athletico and seems to be an up and coming manager, Bergkamp is an unknwon but a clown he certainly isn't (ok his fear of flying might be a problem however).

If they had won " their trophies" with a very tight budget , if they have revolutionised their teams and their leagues , if they have been consistent in the champion's league , if they have increased the vision of their team by building something similar to the Emirates Stadium , if they have been loyal to their team and not wanting out when things went wrong , I would take my hat off for them . But I doubt they have done that . So Wenger all the way for me . I was disappointed today like everyone but Wenger deserves some credit .

[Xhaka Can’t]

Well it's been widely reported that the Money IS there, Wenger has a big transfer kitty, long gone are the days where he can plead poverty.

The reason we were all desperate for a signing in the Winter transfer window was because Wenger botched up the Summer window, it's as simple as that.

As far as I am concerned, if Wenger isn't prepared to spend the available funds on improving the squad then he shouldn't be in his job.

TBF to him, he hasn't ever pleaded poverty despite being in relevant poverty. But that era is over. Can he adapt, can he change the way he has worked over the past decade?

He was the right guy to transform this Club, initially by turning us into a club ripe for growth and transformation and then manage us through the change. But I don't think he is the right guy now - the last two transfer windows indicate that.

[Chippy]

I'm sorry but an fa cup win is just not enough to justify him staying anymore.

We've just had another car crash game against one of our 'rivals'. The same type of team we always seem to loose to and have no chance of beating anymore it would seem.

Over the long term we are seeing the same season on repeat.

It's time for a change
Bang on! Old Wumger must fuck off now!

[JonasTC]

TBF to him, he hasn't ever pleaded poverty despite being in relevant poverty. But that era is over. Can he adapt, can he change the way he has worked over the past decade?

He was the right guy to transform this Club, initially by turning us into a club ripe for growth and transformation and then manage us through the change. But I don't think he is the right guy now - the last two transfer windows indicate that.

He bought one of the best players in the world (i know he hasnt performed super for us, but he was widely regarded as one of the best) and we have a big chance of winning the FA cup, i would say he has done pretty well so far :)

If winning a trophy and bringing in a top class player like Özil in his first year after our financial "crisis" is not enough, i dont know what is :s

[Munchies]

He bought one of the best players in the world (i know he hasnt performed super for us, but he was widely regarded as one of the best) and we have a big chance of winning the FA cup, i would say he has done pretty well so far :)

If winning a trophy and bringing in a top class player like Özil in his first year after our financial "crisis" is not enough, i dont know what is :s

Bought one of the best players in the world, but neglected strengthening the areas of the squad which needed investment the most. Had he got in a striker and a CDM not named Arteta, we would've been way more competitive, and probably even won the league this season.

Wenger's fault.

[JonasTC]

Bought one of the best players in the world, but neglected strengthening the areas of the squad which needed investment the most. Had he got in a striker and a CDM not named Arteta, we would've been way more competitive in the league.

Wenger's fault.

He went after the best striker in the world...

[Munchies]

He went after the best striker in the world...

But he got no one in. .

He should've had a list of targets all done up. He didn't. And we had to field the likes of Bendtner/Giroud/Sanogogo against top teams like Bayern.

He could go after Ronaldo and make bids for him, it wouldn't mean anything if he didn't sign. :lol:

[Power n Glory]

Wenger may not sign a new contract at the end of the season and that's a fact we have to deal with. He's never skipped a press conference before and I think this loss is going to hurt him badly and there may be a lot of soul searching after this heavy defeat.

[Niall_Quinn]

He went after the best striker in the world...

And if we had landed him the Wenger could have stayed. Because it's true what they say about football, it's all about your last result. That's why the glory has gone out of it. Half chewed prawn sandwiches gobbed in the air in fury. This is the modern game.

[JonasTC]

But he got no one in. .

He should've had a list of targets all done up. He didn't. And we had to field the likes of Bendtner/Giroud/Sanogogo against top teams like Bayern.

He could go after Ronaldo and make bids for him, it wouldn't mean anything if he didn't sign. :lol:

Ah come on, you know the story... If you knew you could get Suarez according to the rules, would you not keep fighting it, instead of saying "meh lets go get someone nowhere near Suarez level"? We dont know what exactly happend behind the curtains, except for us going after Suarez for quite some time.

[Munchies]

Ah come on, you know the story... If you knew you could get Suarez according to the rules, would you not keep fighting it, instead of saying "meh lets go get someone nowhere near Suarez level"? We dont know what exactly happend behind the curtains, except for us going after Suarez for quite some time.

Yeah I know the story, we got no strikers in the summer transfer window and had to put up with sacks of shit in Giroud and Bendtner for the season. Sanogo is young in his career so I'm going to give him a chance.

I don't care if we went after Suarez, we didn't sign him. End of.

[JonasTC]

I still think its idiotic to get rid of Wenger, he stayed here during 8 really tough years and kept us in the top. He is one of the best managers in the world and if we dont hold on to him, some other top club will get him (i wonder why?).

2013-2014 were always going to be the new start according to our long term plan and so far we bought a world class player from an even bigger club and we are about to win a trophy.

[Power n Glory]

I still think its idiotic to get rid of Wenger, he stayed here during 8 really tough years and kept us in the top. He is one of the best managers in the world and if we dont hold on to him, some other top club will get him (i wonder why?).

2013-2014 were always going to be the new start according to our long term plan and so far we bought a world class player from an even bigger club and we are about to win a trophy.

What if he doesn't sign a new deal and walks at the end of the season?

[Niall_Quinn]

What if he doesn't sign a new deal and walks at the end of the season?

Up to him. But I would hope it is for personal reasons rather than because he is hounded out by the knuckledraggers. I'm sure it would be. He has always said he'd leave the moment he felt he couldn't do more for the club.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Bang on! Old Wumger must fuck off now!


I want a change, but he deserves better than an internet warrior dissing him like that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If we win the FA Cup then I want Wenger to stay. If we don't then I don't although I have no clue who I'd want instead.

Yeah i am pretty much of the same opinion i'd like Wenger slowly phased out like vhs to dvd rather than him being sacked on the spot and humiliated after being our longest serving and most influential manager, but if he doesn't win the fa cup and still has the sheer affront to put ink to paper i will turn my back on him.
Replacements?....

Bould - I get the impression he is being "groomed" as Wenger's successor, but i naturally am pessimistic about it as much as i like Steve Bould. His problem is he is english which goes against him because english managers are generally incompetent (last english manager to win an english domestic title was 22 years ago)

Ancelotti - Does a job wherever he goes, may be more willing to spend the cash (if there indeed is any) than AW.

Joachim Low - Has revolutionised the German side and brought them back to the table as a power house of european and world football (arguably unlucky to have come about at the height of Spain's dominance) no real experience in club football though.

Jurgen Klopp - His bundesliga title wins in 2011 and 2012 were excellent, fused together by a blend of youth and astute purchases....some of the gloss has been taken off him in recent years and Dortmund's defending is a bit suspect at times.

Dragan Stoijkovic - Has surpassed what Arsene Wenger acheived with Grampus Eight, and would be Wenger's own preference as his sucessor, but for me we need someone with pedigree in European club management and i don't think an outgoing manager should have any say on who replaces them.

Pep Guardiola - A possible but unlikely candidate, would Arsenal be too much of a managerial step down after Barca and Bayern?

[Letters]

Bang on! Old Wumger must fuck off now!
Strangely I didn't see you posting that after last Sunday's result.

[fakeyank]

I would have loved to see those people have their 1000th game before I compare them to Wenger . Real Madrid , Arguably the biggest team in the world , have always wanted to sign Wenger while all those people are around and have never been mentioned . Wenger is far better than all these clowns .

What sort of bizzare argument is that? Wenger shouldve never been able to see his 1000th game. Did he have 1000 games anywhere else before we signed him in 96? So why this 1000 game requirement now?
As for the part I highlighted, you get the jist... wanted. Almost everything good about Arsene Wenger is in the past tense

[Slacker]

I read somewhere last week Klopp was being chased by the Mancs. That would help them secure a few of the German youngsters they covet, including Draxler. Hope that's BS.

[LDG]

I have to say yes to the thread title.

It isn't a coincidence anymore.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Cash reserve is not transfer funds :s Lets forget about the winter transfer window tho', we all know we were never going to bring anyone proper in, good players go for 50%+ extra and almost no clubs are willing to pay that, even City refused to pay it for their targets... Utd ended up paying almost 40m for a 15-20m player, so you guys really need to stop with the winter transfer window bottling thing, Wenger or anyone else we bring in (except for Moyes) are never going to do that.

Seriously?? you really think that we couldn't have done better than a 31 year old nobody with a fucked back that has yet to play a game for the club and was a pointless signing??!!

:haha: what a fucking joke of a statement!

Wenger bottled it plain and simple.

30 days to add some cover/squad depth and we ended up with nothing.

Even Berbatov for £2.5m would have been better business than the shit we got served up.

[Munchies]

Seriously?? you really think that we couldn't have done better than a 31 year old nobody with a fucked back that has yet to play a game for the club and was a pointless signing??!!

:haha: what a fucking joke of a statement!

Wenger bottled it plain and simple.

30 days to add some cover/squad depth and we ended up with nothing.

Even Berbatov for £2.5m would have been better business than the shit we got served up.

Exactly. I find it hard that in 30 days he couldn't find someone better than Bendnter/Giroud/Sanogo :lol: .

Berbatov has technical ability, great with the ball at his feet and he's bloody good at scoring. Giroud is a useless lump who can't even hold the ball up.

Just looked at a few clips of him from Fulham,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux8U66NhTFg

Can't believe we didn't atleast go for him. :doh:

[KSE Comedy Club]

I honestly cannot belive that Wenger is still rated as one of the best managers in the world?

He has a fantastic legacy with us of course, but in the last 10 years what has he achieved exactly?

10 seasons that you can call before they start and no trophies, getting spanked by top teams and made to look like a bit of a joke doesn't really warrant such high regard IMO.

Are people really not fed up with the same discussions year after year?

This subject keeps coming up every season. Wenger is the only constant in all these years.

We still have problems with not getting the basics right - tactics, defence, substitutions, mentality.

We still see the same lack of progress on the pitch.

We still see the same lack of strengthening in the transfer market to which there is always an excuse as to why we didn't do anything (Ozil is the exception but should have been in addition to other signings)

Wouldn't anyone like to start next season with some renewed hope and optimism, a little uncertainty of something new and different in regards to management, and a new approach to club and team??


I for one, long to have something new to talk about, discuss and experience.

[LDG]

Exactly. I find it hard that in 30 days he couldn't find someone better than Bendnter/Giroud/Sanogo :lol: .

Berbatov has technical ability, great with the ball at his feet and he's bloody good at scoring.

Nothing majorly wrong with his transfer dealings, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking mug.

What is wrong, has been for some time, and is now unforgivable, is the lack of respect, attention to detail and tactics for another club.

You can't just send your side out to play the same way each week, and not get found out.

I just don't get why the stupid idiot doesn't change tact!

[Munchies]

Nothing majorly wrong with his transfer dealings, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking mug.

What is wrong, has been for some time, and is now unforgivable, is the lack of respect, attention to detail and tactics for another club.

You can't just send your side out to play the same way each week, and not get found out.

I just don't get why the stupid idiot doesn't change tact!

Nothing wrong with his transfer dealings? He had to get in a striker and a defensive mid in the summer. He didn't. When you have to play a 20 year old from France league 2, against Bayern Munich in the champions league, it shows Wenger fucked up.

And yeah, and during the game he sits on his arse doing fuck all. He just sits there, doesn't change anything. We could all see the middle of our pitch was far too open at the start, just take Arteta off there and then and bring on Flamini. If he changed the game with subs when we were 2 down atleast, we might have had a chance of getting something. But he waits, and waits, till the team gets fucked even more to do anything.

[LDG]

Up to him. But I would hope it is for personal reasons rather than because he is hounded out by the knuckledraggers. I'm sure it would be. He has always said he'd leave the moment he felt he couldn't do more for the club.

And other than financially, or buying good players at good prices, I don't think he can.

Blundering to defeats and embarrasments at the rate we have over the last few years, with many different players, leads you to one conclusion....

[LDG]

Nothing wrong with his transfer dealings? He had to get in a striker and a defensive mid in the summer. He didn't. When you have to play a 20 year old from France league 2, against Bayern Munich in the champions league, it shows Wenger fucked up.

And yeah, and during the game he sits on his arse doing fuck all. He just sits there, doesn't change anything. We could all see the middle of our pitch was far too open at the start, just take Arteta off there and then and bring on Flamini. If he changed the game with subs when we were 2 down atleast, we might have had a chance of getting something. But he waits, and waits, till the team gets fucked even more to do anything.

Ok.

You can't get saurez.

Do you reckon Higuain (sp) was the answer?

Bent?

50mil?

What about trying to tempt....erm, who exactly???

Go on. Name names.....please, because if you could tell me exactly who we should have spent mega bucks on, who wooild have suited the team, then I'm happy to be proved wrong.

The team is good enough NOT TO GET BEATEN BY A FUCKING CRICKET SCORE OVER AND OVER.

[Munchies]

Ok.

You can't get saurez.

Do you reckon Higuain (sp) was the answer?

Bent?

50mil?

What about trying to tempt....erm, who exactly???

Go on. Name names.....please, because if you could tell me exactly who we should have spent mega bucks on, who wooild have suited the team, then I'm happy to be proved wrong.

The team is good enough NOT TO GET BEATEN BY A FUCKING CRICKET SCORE OVER AND OVER.

Well we were linked to so many players over the summer who would have improved the team.

Higuain for starters. All we needed was pace uptop. £26m and he was ours. His goalscoring record speaks for itself.

Defensive midfield, Bender/Gustavo. Around £20m there.

And a left sided winger, like the Brazillian Bernard who we were linked all summer with, because Cazorla is being pushed out wide and Podolski is useless. There is no viable outlet on our left hand side, it's too predictable to play against when only our right side has pace (Ox/Gnabry)

All of which would cost us £60m or so, we spent £40m on Ozil when we had other areas of the squad more in need of strengthening.

[fakeyank]

Strikers who we could've got in the summer? Higuain, Costa, Benteke, Lukaku.
Strikers he could've got in the winter window (short term), berba, mirallas, pato.

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[KSE Comedy Club]

Also, we waited for 3 fucking months to actually do any real business, when we should have gone in and tied up the players we wanted early, or at least had time to get some plan b's in.

Probably something else which we didn't have.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Strikers who we could've got in the summer? Higuain, Costa, Benteke, Lukaku.
Strikers he could've got in the winter window (short term), berba, mirallas, pato.

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:gp:

[Kano]

@Ollie, re: Klopp

Terrible? Second in their league facing the best team in Europe, if not the world, semi final of the German cup and Champions League quarter final, all in the knowledge their star man has signed an agreement to join their domestic rivals at the end of the season?

The only caution needed is when we approach to try and get him. He's the only man who can continue what Wenger will leave behind at the end of the season.

[Alpha]

All these comments are done to frustration of Chelsea defeat . It will take only two victories to wipe everything out and back to normal . In Wenger we still trust .

[LDG]

All these comments are done to frustration of Chelsea defeat . It will take only two victories to wipe everything out and back to normal . In Wenger we still trust .

Nah. We have been humiliated too many times.

I love the geezer to bits, but for fucks sake. We keep getting the piss taken out of us. City got six, Liverpool got five, Chelsea six....and lets not forget the Utd trouncing which we were told would never happen again. We got the piss take. Out of us when four up against Newcastle, went through stages of giving up winning leads consistently. Got hit for five in the cup by those cunts up the roads. Made idiots of ourselves against Birmingham in the cup....

The list goes on and on. The players change a bit. We do some good stuff. But we keep getting fucked over.

I don't have an issue with transfers. Some people just think that solves everything. It doesn't. The issue I have is purely down to the way Wenger refuses to acknowledge the opposition properly, and instill the confidence / organisation to stop getting arse raped.

I am a loyal Wenger supporter. I don't knee jerk (that much) or go mental. I don't internet Wenger at all. In fact, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him win the cup for us again, and see hime smile.

I just happen to think we've been humiliated enougb times now, and seen the same pattern enough times to know that it is the manager, not the players, who is to blame for these idiotic occurances. For which there is no excuse when it happens again and again.

We've done well this season. But we either accept that its perenial chasing for fourth, or we get somebody fresh in, who can turn the amazing job Arsene has built for us, into something truely great.

[fakeyank]

Nah. We have been humiliated too many times.

I love the geezer to bits, but for fucks sake. We keep getting the piss taken out of us. City got six, Liverpool got five, Chelsea six....and lets not forget the Utd trouncing which we were told would never happen again. We got the piss take. Out of us when four up against Newcastle, went through stages of giving up winning leads consistently. Got hit for five in the cup by those cunts up the roads. Made idiots of ourselves against Birmingham in the cup....

The list goes on and on. The players change a bit. We do some good stuff. But we keep getting fucked over.

I don't have an issue with transfers. Some people just think that solves everything. It doesn't. The issue I have is purely down to the way Wenger refuses to acknowledge the opposition properly, and instill the confidence / organisation to stop getting arse raped.

I am a loyal Wenger supporter. I don't knee jerk (that much) or go mental. I don't internet Wenger at all. In fact, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him win the cup for us again, and see hime smile.

I just happen to think we've been humiliated enougb times now, and seen the same pattern enough times to know that it is the manager, not the players, who is to blame for these idiotic occurances. For which there is no excuse when it happens again and again.

We've done well this season. But we either accept that its perenial chasing for fourth, or we get somebody fresh in, who can turn the amazing job Arsene has built for us, into something truely great.

:gp:

Super post!

[KSE Comedy Club]

Nah. We have been humiliated too many times.

I love the geezer to bits, but for fucks sake. We keep getting the piss taken out of us. City got six, Liverpool got five, Chelsea six....and lets not forget the Utd trouncing which we were told would never happen again. We got the piss take. Out of us when four up against Newcastle, went through stages of giving up winning leads consistently. Got hit for five in the cup by those cunts up the roads. Made idiots of ourselves against Birmingham in the cup....

The list goes on and on. The players change a bit. We do some good stuff. But we keep getting fucked over.

I don't have an issue with transfers. Some people just think that solves everything. It doesn't. The issue I have is purely down to the way Wenger refuses to acknowledge the opposition properly, and instill the confidence / organisation to stop getting arse raped.

I am a loyal Wenger supporter. I don't knee jerk (that much) or go mental. I don't internet Wenger at all. In fact, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see him win the cup for us again, and see hime smile.

I just happen to think we've been humiliated enougb times now, and seen the same pattern enough times to know that it is the manager, not the players, who is to blame for these idiotic occurances. For which there is no excuse when it happens again and again.

We've done well this season. But we either accept that its perenial chasing for fourth, or we get somebody fresh in, who can turn the amazing job Arsene has built for us, into something truely great.Agree with that, brilliant post.

Except for the bit about transfers.

It's not that it solves everything, but you do have to buy the right additions when there are obvious areas to address.
The world and his dog knows that, 1 or 2 decent players in areas we are weak (striker being the main one, 2 windows and nothing) and then you have depth, strength and options when there may be times that the team struggle.

How many times have we heard the line that we couldn't find anyone better than what we have? That is a statement born out of some acid fuelled trip around the moon as it is that ludicrous.

If it is only said so as not to bruise the egos of current players then why put transfer activity into that context at all? You don't hear other managers saying that about it.

It's not the be all and end all, I do agree with you, but to act like it's the least important thing about what happens on the pitch and a major contribution as to why we keep failing to push on is naive at best, and ignorant at worst.

[Power n Glory]

Ok.

You can't get saurez.

Do you reckon Higuain (sp) was the answer?

Bent?

50mil?

What about trying to tempt....erm, who exactly???

Go on. Name names.....please, because if you could tell me exactly who we should have spent mega bucks on, who wooild have suited the team, then I'm happy to be proved wrong.

The team is good enough NOT TO GET BEATEN BY A FUCKING CRICKET SCORE OVER AND OVER.

I think the transfer talk is a separate issue and we shouldn't be getting battered like that regardless of the squad we put out. I wouldn't even expect that score if we put out our reserve and bench players. We should leave the transfer talk for another day or put aside for other Wenger issues that need addressing. With the new money we have, I don't think it's a problem that's unsolvable.

This tactics thing is a serious issue. We've seen several teams and captains under Wenger go out on the pitch and take a pummelling over the years. The most embarrassing moment under Wenger used to be the FA beating back in the glory years. Was it 5-1? It was so long ago and we've had so many cricket score results it's been wiped from memory as the worst! We haven 't even paid Utd back for that beating. It's just a joke that this keeps happening to Wenger. All of his teams have the ability to capitulate and bottle it.

We had a poor game against Spurs and he walks out with the exact same team that struggled to string two passes together against Spurs. What game was he watching to think we'd cope against Chelsea? Did he not see the pattern? It's all to familiar and I think it's time he walked away. Taking an hammering from Mourinho like that of all people on such a landmark occasion will sting for years to come. What's worse, Wenger is powerless to stop him from doing it again. He'll never beat a Mourinho and even if he gets 1 victory, it will never be enough to match the amount of blows he's landed on us and that pisses me off.

Regardless of what happens with the FA Cup, I think it's time he called it quits. He hasn't got what it takes to compete. Jose and Pellegrini will dominate this non Fergie era and Brendan Rogers may even be in with a shout if he keeps building. Thank fuck Utd are struggling because we'd be out of the top 4 if they had a better manager. We can't afford to stand still any longer.

[Maestro]

have we found a new manager yet?

some fantastic posts from LDG, P_n_G & Jeebus Creepers

real question is who should replace him?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger does not need to "fuck off" as some have stated elsewhere. He needs to move on and others need to give a little more thought to the big picture.

We are talking about a man who changed this club beyond all recognition and it is a legacy that should last for many years.

He transformed the whole ethos of this club – it is totally unrecognisable from the Club he took over.
Wenger was the right man for bringing us football, the likes of which we had never seen before. This was accompanied with success, trophies and memories that will last forever.

He was the right man for transforming the Club’s ambition so that it could successfully take the risks inherent in making the move to a new stadium.

He was the right man for managing our limited resources for what has been too long for most fans to endure.

He was the right man for maintaining stability during a period where the club successfully managed the biggest capital infrastructure project any Club in world football has ever undertaken.

This was type of project that Liverpool and Tottenham have talked about for years. This was type of project that Liverpool and Tottenham have been begging for help from all tiers of government. This is the type of project they still talk about.

Our talking is over - we've delivered it and we've not gone to the taxpayer for one penny.

Unfortunately, he has been in this latter phase for too long, the game has passed him by. He is no longer innovative enough to bring the type of success he brought in the first half of his career. He has been far too embroiled in a necessarily parsimonious transfer strategy that he appears unable to adapt to the way the market operates today.

That, and the lack of innovation, means it is time for a change.

That said, this club is now in a fantastic position for a new manager at the top of his game. The environment at the Club is ideal for attracting the best of managers and the best of players.

We are in a position to attract a manager who really wants to make a statement at a top Club.
If a new manager were appointed now, he would have:

• More resources at his disposal than at any time in the history of the club – resources entirely generated from within.

• Champions League football

• A solid base of players from which to build upon

• A Board that despite my criticisms, gives Managers the space and time to build and be innovative.
The latter phase of Wenger’s work has been just as important as the earlier phase – maybe more so. We have the pieces aligned to deliver sustainable success and competitiveness.

Arsenal has to be an attractive proposition for the best there is now. We certainly would not have been three, five or even nine years ago.

I hope as much for Wenger as I do for myself as a fan, that we do win the FA Cup. I also hope that it is his swansong and that we go confidently forward under a new manager, the quality of which this Club and Wenger’s body of work deserves.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Strikers who we could've got in the summer? Higuain, Costa, Benteke, Lukaku.
Strikers he could've got in the winter window (short term), berba, mirallas, pato.

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Given mourinho wouldn't even loan us ba, lukaku is off the list. Benteke is utter shit. Not sold on costa either.

In January, mirallas isn't a striker (though if like to see him replace podolski) and the other two are hardly better then what we have.

Higuain was a huge fuck up and we should have got him but the others you have listed are not exactly brilliant options.

[Maestro]

a well balanced factual and reasoned piece SF, eloquently put in a dignified fashion that befits wengers manner and achievements.

i am convinced he will leave of his own accord now at the end of the season.

who would you like to see take over if he leaves. who could cherish the values we have and still be ably competitive to make a real mark

[Özim]

The thrashings we've had to endure in recent years I can't accept before he arrived (and even in the 1st half of his spell) this barely ever happened, the 6-1 against Man U was the only time I can remember with him in charge and before that 6-2 in the League Cup against Man U, other than that yes we lost games but not by these embarrassing margins.

This season it's happened 3 times in one season, it just shouldn't happen to a side of our stature with anywhere near that regularity, once every few years as a freak result fine but not like it does these days, it just makes us look like a joke.

[Maestro]

The thrashings we've had to endure in recent years I can't accept before he arrived (and even in the 1st half of his spell) this barely ever happened, the 6-1 against Man U was the only time I can remember with him in charge and before that 6-2 in the League Cup against Man U, other than that yes we lost games but not by these embarrassing margins.

This season it's happened 3 times in one season, it just shouldn't happen to a side of our stature with anywhere near that regularity, once every few years as a freak result fine but not like it does these days, it just makes us look like a joke.


who would you like to see come in should wenger leave, out of interest? narrow it down and no scattergun

[Ollie the Optimist]

@Ollie, re: Klopp

Terrible? Second in their league facing the best team in Europe, if not the world, semi final of the German cup and Champions League quarter final, all in the knowledge their star man has signed an agreement to join their domestic rivals at the end of the season?

The only caution needed is when we approach to try and get him. He's the only man who can continue what Wenger will leave behind at the end of the season.

Klopp is 20 points behind bayern though isn't he? Dortmund haven't been brilliant this season. I'm not saying he would be the wrong choice but just saying that after the hype last season, he's failed to repeat it. Sold a lot of key players too

[Globalgunner]

Given mourinho wouldn't even loan us ba, lukaku is off the list. Benteke is utter shit. Not sold on costa either.

In January, mirallas isn't a striker (though if like to see him replace podolski) and the other two are hardly better then what we have.

Higuain was a huge fuck up and we should have got him but the others you have listed are not exactly brilliant options.

Every one of those strikers is better than Giroud. Even in the championship there are better strikers than Giroud, Akpom, Aneke, JET, who we let go, are better than Giroud

[Globalgunner]

Klopp is 20 points behind bayern though isn't he? Dortmund haven't been brilliant this season. I'm not saying he would be the wrong choice but just saying that after the hype last season, he's failed to repeat it. Sold a lot of key players too

Do you even analyse the stuff you spout at all?. Which key players did he sell or were they rather lured away by the same team that is pissing the league over there

[JonasTC]

We cant really count the city result, if it hadnt been for a retarded ref, it would more had been like 6-3 for us and everybody would have loved Wenger... The Liverpool and Chelsea are freak results, most of the goals scored were 1% chance goals and they scored more than one of those... its 2 freakin' games, get over it. Barcelona lost 3-0 and 4-0 in a short period of time last year, that is as much a freak result as us losing 5-1/6-0 (Barca were considered the best team in the world at that time, so for them losing 7-0 over 2 games, is as much a freak result. Against a team we played 3-3 against over 2 games btw). It can happend to everybody, especially when you dont have 100m+ benches like your rivals and have a bunch of key players out.

But im curious, what do people expect of a new manager? A trophy and top1-3 each year? So far Wenger looks like he's going to win a trophy in his first year with the "new" Arsenal, even tho' im considering summer 2014 as a new start, thats when we're finally rid of all our shit players and the new sponsors kick in, that puts us up with the absolut top teams financial wise, i wont be surprised if we spend 100m this summer.

[JonasTC]

Klopp is 20 points behind bayern though isn't he? Dortmund haven't been brilliant this season. I'm not saying he would be the wrong choice but just saying that after the hype last season, he's failed to repeat it. Sold a lot of key players too

Its funny people want Klopp, because he's kind of a german version of Wenger :d

[Munchies]

Klopp is 20 points behind bayern though isn't he? Dortmund haven't been brilliant this season. I'm not saying he would be the wrong choice but just saying that after the hype last season, he's failed to repeat it. Sold a lot of key players too

Have you seen Dortmund's injury problems? It's ours on another level.

Gundogan, their best midfielder, has been missing for most of the season.

Klopp though, does replace players in areas where the squad needs it.

Gotze left, he got in Mkhitaryan for £20m.

He also got in Aubamayang for £12m and he's not done too bad either.

Van Persie left, who did we get? Vieira left, who? Flamini left, we got back Flamini :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

a well balanced factual and reasoned piece SF, eloquently put in a dignified fashion that befits wengers manner and achievements.

i am convinced he will leave of his own accord now at the end of the season.

who would you like to see take over if he leaves. who could cherish the values we have and still be ably competitive to make a real mark

Thanks mate - it is how I feel and I wanted to get it out of my system. I like what Klopp has done in Germany and I get the sense that he is a guy you can trust to put the work into building something and then staying around to help realise the fruits of his labour.

I'm not talking about being around for 1000 games or so - in almost all situations that is too long. People and Clubs need change in order to avoid stagnating. But I get the feeling he is a guy that is loyal and would not piss off after a couple of years success to seek a bigger payday.

If he isn't the guy - what about taking a risk on someone like Martinez? Of course, if it was Martinez himself, he would be showing little loyalty to Everton, but it could be worthwhile exploring that, because we'd be offering him an immense opportunity that Everton could not dream of matching.

I want someone young, innovative and prepared to take risks. We had that in Wenger's early years and I'd love to experience that again - hopefully right after Wenger lifts this year's FA Cup.

[Özim]

who would you like to see come in should wenger leave, out of interest? narrow it down and no scattergun

Klopp, Simeone, Hitzfeld., Heynckes, Lippi, Del Bosque, Cruyff, Ancelotti, Strachan.

There's other around too I'm sure.

[Özim]

We cant really count the city result, if it hadnt been for a retarded ref, it would more had been like 6-3 for us and everybody would have loved Wenger... The Liverpool and Chelsea are freak results, most of the goals scored were 1% chance goals and they scored more than one of those... its 2 freakin' games, get over it.

3 freak results in one season, when we only use to see these kind of results once every 10 years?

City beat us and would have won regardless of the ref, we would never have won that game, as for the 1% chance thing, what kind of excuse is that? Wehn you lose 3 games lie we have 3 times in one season and can't be a top team for love nor money it's not due to freak occurrences, it's because there's something fundamentally wrong, even the smaller clubs put up better fights than we do against these teams.

[Munchies]

It's all because Wenger doesn't address the problems in the squad. After the Liverpool game, that should've been that. Look at all the teams near the bottom, none of them got beat this badly.

In the middle, there is no one there who is strong and has power in him to win the ball and drive forward. Think of Vieira, Yaya Toure in the same mould. There is simply far too much space in the team, and once other teams with a strong midfield (like Matic/Luiz) press on our weak one, our defence, no matter how good, will get overun.

On the left side, there is nothing there. Gibbs was dreadful, where was he for the first 2 goals? He doesn't know when to attack or when to defend. In front of him, we usually have Cazorla, but he's pretty much weak on the ball, has no real pace, and isn't a winger to push teams back. Podolski played the other day, and he doesn't do much at all, he doesn't run in behind, and doesn't track back.

Up front, Giroud, far too slow and predictable to play against, which gives defenders freedom to push up high to invite further pressure on our fragile midfield.

Heck, we should've gone for Kallstrom/Flamini the other day, wouldn't have been far better as much of a shambles as Ox/Arteta was. I mean Ox/Arteta against Matic and Luiz ? :doh:

[Globalgunner]

People say its a freak result. Conveniently forgetting that we hardly ever beat these teams , except Liverpool who have climbed above us definitively this year. Even the catastrophic United, who are in dire straits. Get results against us. Even clubs like Spuds, West ham, Sunderland,have got wins against against them , but us?. best we can manage is 2 stultifying draws. We are definitely the ones for the big occasion. Big game, big collapse.

[JonasTC]

3 freak results in one season, when we only use to see these kind of results once every 10 years?

City beat us and would have won regardless of the ref, we would never have won that game, as for the 1% chance thing, what kind of excuse is that? Wehn you lose 3 games lie we have 3 times in one season and can't be a top team for love nor money it's not due to freak occurrences, it's because there's something fundamentally wrong, even the smaller clubs put up better fights than we do against these teams.

With that logic, we must be better than Barcelona, because we drawed vs Bayern in the CHL and they mauled Barcelona... Must be something fundamentally wrong with Barca then? They never lose and ended up losing 7-0 to Bayern... :s

Lets just agree to disagree, i support Wenger, you dont. EOD. :d

[Munchies]

With that logic, we must be better than Barcelona, because we drawed vs Bayern in the CHL and they mauled Barcelona... Must be something fundamentally wrong with Barca then? They never lose and ended up losing 7-0 to Bayern... :s

Lets just agree to disagree, i support Wenger, you dont. EOD. :d

I don't see how you jump to that from his post :wacko:

He's spot on.

And by the way, that 7-0 was over 2 games.

[JonasTC]

I don't see how you jump to that from his post :wacko:

He's spot on.

And by the way, that 7-0 was over 2 games.

That is because you choose not too read my entire post, he responded too... Seem to happend alot on here :)

[Munchies]

That is because you choose not too read my entire post, he responded too... Seem to happend alot on here :)

No I read your post, I just don't see what you're trying to get at with it.

End of discussion being, we got destroyed by all our title rivals this season. It should'nt happen. Did you see West Ham getting smashed by Chelsea?

Saw this stat too:
Arsenal: Last 5 seasons Away results vs top 4 finishers (incl. this season):
P 15
W 1
D 1
L 13
F 13
A 44

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

This is bloody ridiculous. A loss and all these threads come up, last week it was all rosy.

I was the biggest Wenger out poster on the board but this season really made me think twice. His record against top teams is shocking but we did have half our squad injured. Yes it's down to him to invest but he's a lunatic, we all know that. If he leaves we could seriously nosedive and I really don't want that. We led the league for half a fucking season, some minor adjustments next season and there's no reason why we can't win it.

I see people touting managers like Martinez but he'll need 2 seasons to adjust at a powerhouse like Arsenal, a bit like Rodgers and Liverpool. The first season we might finish 5th-7th and then if we're lucky we'll get back in the top 4. If we fall out the top 4 how easy will it be to get back in? I understand Wenger will have to leave at some point but as I mentioned in another thread, you usually find that you give up just when you were about to succeed. The only managers I'd swap Wenger for are Pep, Klopp and Ancelotti. Pep is going nowhere anytime soon and Klopp said he'll never break his contract. Ancelotti isn't leaving Madrid. So who do we get? Low? He hasn't managed a club for donkeys years, can he cope with the day to day running of a football club? Van Gaal? Can't see the board going for him tbh. He's a bigger arrogant prick and loves an argument, don't think the board would want to deal with someone like that.

The only other thing I'd say is that Wenger said he'll walk away when he feels he can't give anything more to the job. The way he looked on the touchline yesterday, sitting in his chair, constantly looking at his watch, looking lost etc, maybe yesterday was the day he realised he can't cut it anymore. That was his chance to slay Mourinho on his 1000th game and send out a statement but once again his tactics were shocking. Goes into every game with a 4-2-3-1, where's the versatility? Mourinho changes his tactics based on opposition but we trump up with exactly the same formation absolutely everywhere.

I had my house on Wenger signing a new contract but for the first time I woke up thinking he might leave. Maybe he knows he's taken the team as far as he can, especially as he isn't a big investor. If it was any other manager you'd say 'well with a few signings the gaffer can give it another shot', but we have the most stubborn, ignorant, narcissistic lunatic around. But he's our stubborn, ignorant, narcissistic lunatic, and I'm still not convinced it will be better without him.

[Power n Glory]

No I read your post, I just don't see what you're trying to get at with it.

Stop trying. It's pointless. He's in total denial and in Wenger defence mode. You'll get nothing from the conversation.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Wenger lost it well before today. The Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea thrashings were always going to happen. I dont think Wenger studies the opposition or actually knows anything about tactics. He gives me the impression that he just sends the team out without any real thought or player commands, anyone of us knew leaving Flamini out was a disaster, yes we would have still lost but probably by the odd 1 or 2 goals. The man is clueless and has no idea about how to set up a team. I look at managers like Mourinho, Rodgers who study and identify the weak spots and have a detailed plan of how to exploit the oppostions weaknes. We have a manager who picks the players and sends them out like headless chickens and they react exactly in that way. Yes we can get away with is with the weaker sides but against the top managers we'll be found out every time, hence the reason we lose the big games, there is no game plan! I would seriously consider the following young and upcoming managers;

Uwe Rosler
Sean Dyche

Forget about Klopp, he wont come to Arsenal.

[Munchies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrZR8q6FLBo
1:00

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wenger lost it well before today. The Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea thrashings were always going to happen. I dont think Wenger studies the opposition or actually knows anything about tactics. He gives me the impression that he just sends the team out without any real thought or player commands, anyone of us knew leaving Flamini out was a disaster, yes we would have still lost but probably by the odd 1 or 2 goals. The man is clueless and has no idea about how to set up a team. I look at managers like Mourinho, Rodgers who study and identify the weak spots and have a detailed plan of how to exploit the oppostions weaknes. We have a manager who picks the players and sends them out like headless chickens and they react exactly in that way. Yes we can get away with is with the weaker sides but against the top managers we'll be found out every time, hence the reason we lose the big games, there is no game plan! I would seriously consider the following young and upcoming managers;

Uwe Rosler
Sean Dyche

Forget about Klopp, he wont come to Arsenal.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Jesus christ, I think that's completely convinced me. Do not get rid of Wenger at all. Uwe fucking Rosler? Sean bloody Dyche? Are you having a laugh?

I've come to the conclusion that maybe we should leave the decision making to the people running the club. I mean if we had our way we'd have Laudrup, Moyes or Owen Coyle in charge, and we would probably be languishing in 10th. There's a reason they're getting paid so much to run the club. They know what's best.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Really, you think so? So whats thier great plan? To have Wenger sign a new contract for the next 5 years and endure more embarrssing spankings I would rather we had a manager with steel balls and impose that to the palyers he sends out, rather than watch 11 bottlers on the pitch. Look at Dyche and Roslers achievements? Where did we sign GG from? Millwall from the old 2nd division. I think Dyche and Rosler would be worthy managers and well worth the minimal risk. So we miss out on 4th place one season, atleast we'd have 11 players with passion and desire rather than the bottle jobs we have now throughout our 1ast 11.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrZR8q6FLBo
1:00

It says a lot about Wenger's approach to coaching and tactics. He leaves far too much of this stuff to the players to decide. Cesc isn't the first guy to go into detail about his methods. Last week, Parlour was on Talksport talking about training and how Wenger leaves a lot of the decisions to the players.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

It says a lot about Wenger's approach to coaching and tactics. He leaves far too much of this stuff to the players to decide. Cesc isn't the first guy to go into detail about his methods. Last week, Parlour was on Talksport talking about training and how Wenger leaves a lot of the decisions to the players.
Thank you Cesc, you just proved my point. Wenger sends his team out without any instructions or tatics and just hope for the best.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fabregas was the big fish at Arsenal, now he's one of many at Barca. No way can you compare his roles at the two clubs. It's not a valid comparison in any way and I doubt that's what he's trying to say either.

[Özim]

I can't believe we've reached the point where regular thrashings have now become acceptable, as I said before in my time before 2006 I can only remember two (so two in 16 years), now it happens pretty much every season and seemingly several times a season is also become acceptable.

Sorry but there's no excuse for humiliations like this, they are embarrassing for all involved and really shouldn't happen to a club of our stature as often as they do, the fact they do reflects poorly on the management.

If Wenger goes maybe there will be a period of adaptation, I'm personally happy with that, Wenger has been in charge so long it's bound to be hard for any coming in, if we miss out on the CL so be it I'm personally not too bothered as we never really show any improvement in that competition.

The new manager needs to be the right guy, he also needs time to sign the right players, build his team and change things to suit his own philosophy, that takes time sometimes.

[Özim]

Fabregas was the big fish at Arsenal, now he's one of many at Barca. No way can you compare his roles at the two clubs. It's not a valid comparison in any way and I doubt that's what he's trying to say either.

His point about him becoming more tactically aware is very relevant, being a big fish doesn't mean you have to be tactically inept.
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[Power n Glory]

His point about him becoming more tactically aware is very relevant, being a big fish doesn't mean you have to be tactically inept.
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Yep. Just last week Ray Parlour was saying a lot of the decision making was down to the players and how Wenger never focused on our opponents. We'd never adapt our games to what they'd do and he'd always say it was up to us to impose our style on the opposition and for then to adjust to us.

[Niall_Quinn]

Would be interested to see where anyone has said the result was acceptable. Also, just to clear this up, there is no new manager. Fans don't get to decide that unless they want to bring out the nukes and start seriously agitating for the guy to be kicked out. Hopefully something that cringe-worthy won't happen because we'll be a complete laughing stock as fans in the eyes of so many other clubs out there, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Crewe, yes even the spuds. Boo Hoo - we didn't win the title - Wenger out!

On the other hand, there are a (very) few posters here who have expressed genuine concerns about the manager which are worth listening to. If there's to be a change then the fans can participate in that by being constructive in their criticism as well as the proposals for realistic change. For example, not one of you would have suggested Wenger as manager when Rioch was on his way out. If the fans had been responsible for picking the manager back then or had even had their wishes considered (Terry Venables - remember?) then the Invincibles, Henry, Pires, the doubles, the cups, the amazing football - all gone, would never have happened. So thank fuck nobody listens to fans on these matters.

[Niall_Quinn]

His point about him becoming more tactically aware is very relevant, being a big fish doesn't mean you have to be tactically inept.
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Relevant in the respect he's no longer the free playmaker and now has a more defined role. Different team, different players. If Fabregas came on here now I'm sure he could confirm he's not trying to score points for an anti-Wenger agenda. I understood what he was saying, but then again I was just listening to his views rather than trying to pick agenda points from them.

[Özim]

If the fans had been responsible for picking the manager back then or had even had their wishes considered (Terry Venables - remember?) then the Invincibles, Henry, Pires, the doubles, the cups, the amazing football - all gone, would never have happened. So thank fuck nobody listens to fans on these matters.

Or we also could have had Cruyff, who knows how that would have turned out. Wenger was a great management signing, but noone knows how it would have turned out if he hadn't signed, it's possible it could have been a disaster, it's also possible we'd have consistently won trophies and played great football.

Don't get me wrong the decision to bring in Wenger was spot on, but Venables wouldn't have been my choice, I'd have had Cruyff that we were linked with.

[Özim]

Relevant in the respect he's no longer the free playmaker and now has a more defined role. Different team, different players. If Fabregas came on here now I'm sure he could confirm he's not trying to score points for an anti-Wenger agenda. I understood what he was saying, but then again I was just listening to his views rather than trying to pick agenda points from them.

In his position you can be a playmaker but you need to have discipline and be tactically aware IMO, CM is an important position where games can be controlled.

He's not the only player to talk about the lack of preparation and tactics to counter the opposition, he's kinda stating what we already know that AW just let's them go out and play and express themselves rather than shackle them with specific roles.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Niall_Quinn, you should be a politician as you seem to put a spin on everything Arsenal/Wenger do badly. Tactics are tactics, doesnt matter if your Lionel Messi or Danny Ings. Let me ask you a aquestion; How many times have you seen our manager at a game socuting? Never ever! That just says it all. The man has no methods, no pattern, no tactics or instructions, he is a posh version of Harry. Just go out their lads and win the game.

[Power n Glory]

In his position you can be a playmaker but you need to have discipline and be tactically aware IMO, CM is an important position where games can be controlled.

He's not the only player to talk about the lack of preparation and tactics to counter the opposition, he's kinda stating what we already know that AW just let's them go out and play and express themselves rather than shackle them with specific roles.

He's certainly not the first and it may explain why he never beats Jose, why we lose our heads under intense conditions and why it's a symptom of every Arsenal team. When they go out feeling unprepared for the game, their confidence takes a knock and we look jittery.

[Niall_Quinn]

Niall_Quinn, you should be a politician as you seem to put a spin on everything Arsenal/Wenger do badly. Tactics are tactics, doesnt matter if your Lionel Messi or Danny Ings. Let me ask you a aquestion; How many times have you seen our manager at a game socuting? Never ever! That just says it all. The man has no methods, no pattern, no tactics or instructions, he is a posh version of Harry. Just go out their lads and win the game.

I'm not saying our tactics weren't bad yesterday - in fact already said it and gave detail in another thread. I'm pointing out that what Fabregas is saying doesn't match the anti-Wenger spin being trotted out by the usual suspects.

[Power n Glory]

Niall_Quinn, you should be a politician as you seem to put a spin on everything Arsenal/Wenger do badly. Tactics are tactics, doesnt matter if your Lionel Messi or Danny Ings. Let me ask you a aquestion; How many times have you seen our manager at a game socuting? Never ever! That just says it all. The man has no methods, no pattern, no tactics or instructions, he is a posh version of Harry. Just go out their lads and win the game.

As harsh as that sounds, we have players on record saying Wenger never barks instructions at players, we won't watch videos on the opposition and play a lot of 5 aside football because it trains the player how to cope under several different circumstances. It will produce technical brilliance but leaves us vulnerable tactically. In the early Premier league years, the players could be confident that they were technically superior to the opposition by a country mile. They'd play with confidence. Plus they knew the manager was well ahead of the rest. But in the CL they flopped constantly because they knew the bar was set higher in that realm.

Now that the Prem is so much better than what it used to be, we're vulnerable again. Wenger will need to adapt his methods but I doubt he will. This is his way.

[sibreen]

I'd be happy to give Wenger another season, especially if we win the cup.

We're on for getting more points than last year, we've spent some money, and there's a good chance we'll get some silverware. To me, this is progress.

Yes, we need more player investment (especially upfront), and yes, we have subsided against the big teams. But, we have also regularly knocked off the pub teams with little fuss - something we haven't done so well in the last few seasons. If we had also beaten the big teams, we'd be 5 points clear at the top - which, given where we were last season, I feel is unrealistic.

So, we've made some progress. Not astounding progress, but reasonable progress.
We need to do more, certainly, but Wenger should be given a chance to build on this.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Really, you think so? So whats thier great plan? To have Wenger sign a new contract for the next 5 years and endure more embarrssing spankings I would rather we had a manager with steel balls and impose that to the palyers he sends out, rather than watch 11 bottlers on the pitch. Look at Dyche and Roslers achievements? Where did we sign GG from? Millwall from the old 2nd division. I think Dyche and Rosler would be worthy managers and well worth the minimal risk. So we miss out on 4th place one season, atleast we'd have 11 players with passion and desire rather than the bottle jobs we have now throughout our 1ast 11.

Football has changed a lot since then. Are you seriously telling us to take a punt on championship managers when you've seen what's happened with Man Utd and Moyes? Either thick or deluded. Or both.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Would be interested to see where anyone has said the result was acceptable. Also, just to clear this up, there is no new manager. Fans don't get to decide that unless they want to bring out the nukes and start seriously agitating for the guy to be kicked out. Hopefully something that cringe-worthy won't happen because we'll be a complete laughing stock as fans in the eyes of so many other clubs out there, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Crewe, yes even the spuds. Boo Hoo - we didn't win the title - Wenger out!

On the other hand, there are a (very) few posters here who have expressed genuine concerns about the manager which are worth listening to. If there's to be a change then the fans can participate in that by being constructive in their criticism as well as the proposals for realistic change. For example, not one of you would have suggested Wenger as manager when Rioch was on his way out. If the fans had been responsible for picking the manager back then or had even had their wishes considered (Terry Venables - remember?) then the Invincibles, Henry, Pires, the doubles, the cups, the amazing football - all gone, would never have happened. So thank fuck nobody listens to fans on these matters.

Top post.

Leave the decision making to the board. They know what's best. If reports are true then the new deal put on the table is dependent on Wenger having less say on transfers, which would be the perfect scenario.

Owen fucking Coyle. I'll never forget that.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I'm not saying our tactics weren't bad yesterday - in fact already said it and gave detail in another thread. I'm pointing out that what Fabregas is saying doesn't match the anti-Wenger spin being trotted out by the usual suspects.

AW doesnt apply any tactics or methods , just look at our positioning and our ball retention against Liverpool game, Man City and Chelsea. He gets away with away with it with the teams outside the top 6 the top 6, but playing against the top sides of Europe and the Premiership, we'll always caught out. A friend of mine who is used to know SAF once asked Fergie; How come you always get your tactis spot on against Wenger; He said it was failry straightforward. We always press them all ove, crowd the midfield and nullify their passing game, one upfront and counter, always works. Wenger doesnt have a plan A, nevermind plan b, c. He is picking players out of position and sending on the pitch without any instructions. me or you could that for 100K per season let alone 7 mill. How many times has he lost a game to Mourinho and Fergie and now Rodgers.

[milla]

Klopp.

Klopp would be my first choice too. :coffee:

[GP]

A friend of mine who is used to know SAF

:haha:

Sure

[1_nilto the arsenal]

:haha:

Sure
Why I would make that up, thats so random. I was with the mate in SAF's box at OT against Everton when they lost 0-1, it was SAF his brother Martin and other family friends of Fergies. Actually all the years I despiised the man, I was totally wrong. He is a great man and such a gentleman. When I get a chance I will post the pic.

[GP]

Sure.

[I am invisible]

I'm happy enough to go either way on this, to be honest - whilst I've generally always supported Wenger, and still believe he could win things if he surrounded himself with a team full of top players again, I'm also not that worried about what happens if and when he leaves. This is pretty much what everyone at the club, Wenger included, have been working towards for the last decade: rebuilding us as a self-sustaining giant of club, where each department largely takes care of itself, and where we're not reliant on one man. When Wenger first took over we needed him to do everything - coach the first team, develop young players, handle the finances, handle business negotiations, make his own money through clever transfer dealings, completely overhaul our ideas about diet, fitness, basic coaching, style of play, etc - but that's all changed now, and in no small part to Wenger himself. Things like youth development, fitness and basic coaching, finances, transfer negotiations, etc all take care of themselves (even our brand of football is ingrained at youth level now), and we shouldn't need anything more than a first team coach as his replacement, who will have no other responsibilities than picking and motivating the first team, and bringing his own tactics. That should blow the list of candidates wide open.

I'm also not overly worried about ending up with a David Moyes of our own, as I think our situation is a little different to ManUre's? Fergie left them on high, so there was nowhere else for them to go but down, and he also left an aging squad full of players who have won the lot, and were always going to be tough for someone new, with less reputation, to motivate (especially those running their contracts down,and looking for one last pay-day). The club also look like they're being restricted by the debt that the Glazers have saddled them with. We, on the other hand, have the core of a young side, who have been starved of success up until now, and will likely be open to anything that brings it, we've secured most of our squad with new contracts, we have more money in the bank than any club in Europe, more money rolling in from new deals, and are moving away from our period of financial restraint. There's a lot going for us as a club, and I'd be leaning more towards excited than nervous, when it comes Wenger's eventual successor...

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm happy enough to go either way on this, to be honest - whilst I've generally always supported Wenger, and still believe he could win things if he surrounded himself with a team full of top players again, I'm also not that worried about what happens if and when he leaves. This is pretty much what everyone at the club, Wenger included, have been working towards for the last decade: rebuilding us as a self-sustaining giant of club, where each department largely takes care of itself, and where we're not reliant on one man. When Wenger first took over we needed him to do everything - coach the first team, develop young players, handle the finances, handle business negotiations, make his own money through clever transfer dealings, completely overhaul our ideas about diet, fitness, basic coaching, style of play, etc - but that's all changed now, and in no small part to Wenger himself. Things like youth development, fitness and basic coaching, finances, transfer negotiations, etc all take care of themselves (even our brand of football is ingrained at youth level now), and we shouldn't need anything more than a first team coach as his replacement, who will have no other responsibilities than picking and motivating the first team, and bringing his own tactics. That should blow the list of candidates wide open.

I'm also not overly worried about ending up with a David Moyes of our own, as I think our situation is a little different to ManUre's? Fergie left them on high, so there was nowhere else for them to go but down, and he also left an aging squad full of players who have won the lot, and were always going to be tough for someone new, with less reputation, to motivate (especially those running their contracts down,and looking for one last pay-day). The club also look like they're being restricted by the debt that the Glazers have saddled them with. We, on the other hand, have the core of a young side, who have been starved of success up until now, and will likely be open to anything that brings it, we've secured most of our squad with new contracts, we have more money in the bank than any club in Europe, more money rolling in from new deals, and are moving away from our period of financial restraint. There's a lot going for us as a club, and I'd be leaning more towards excited than nervous, when it comes Wenger's eventual successor...

:gp:

That's the way I see it. Some negatives and lots and lots of positives. The one thing we must prevent is blowing everything up just as we get to the end of what has been a massive project.

[I am invisible]

:gp:

That's the way I see it. Some negatives and lots and lots of positives. The one thing we must prevent is blowing everything up just as we get to the end of what has been a massive project.
Oh, absolutely - just because some things are obviously wrong, it doesn't necessarily follow that everything is wrong. Results like yesterday's are embarrassing, but we're getting a lot right as a club, and are generally moving in the right direction, on and off the field. I mean, if you believe that most of our problems can be solved by a few new quality additions and a new coach with some new ideas, then surely that's really encouraging? Sounds a much easier thing to sort out than a few years ago when we were saying our problems were that we had no money, couldn't keep hold of out best players, and couldn't compete?

[Letters]

Firstly: No-one thinks the 3 away results against the top 3 are acceptable.
Secondly: This has not been a regular thing over the last few years. I looked back at our results going back quite a few years and the 8-2 was the only other real humping we've had. There have been other poor results, sure, but not real freak result spankings like we've had this year.

The last two years we've limped into 4th on the last day. This year we've been right up there in the title race till yesterday. I never saw the title as the benchmark for us this year and despite yesterday's debacle we're still 9 points better off than we were at this stage last year. Plus we're in the FA Cup Semi-final and with the other 3 sides left we really should win it.

There has been progress. Maybe not as much as some people would have liked but for every humping there have been plenty of good results this year, results we weren't getting over the last couple of years, which have shown some improvement.

There are too many internet warriors on here playing FIFA (or whatever) and thinking they have the first clue about how transfers work and how we could have got this player or that. Yes, we clearly needed a top striker and maybe we did put too many eggs in the Suarez basket but you can't just go to the supermarket and get top players to order. You can if you're Chelsea or City and can throw money around like it's going out of fashion but otherwise it's not that simple to get players in who would genuinely improve us. Spurs were lauded all summer for how well they'd done in the transfer market and I thought they'd done good business but what has been the result? They signed some good players but they didn't sign any great players, they sold one to fund their splurge. Once again they're left with no trophies and despite their comeback today they're still a point worse off than they were at this stage last year.

For years we've all been moaning, with some justification, about the direction the club is taking and the lack of trophies. This year we've signed Özil and tried to sign Suarez. It's the most ambition we've shown in the transfer market for a long time. It's not enough but it's a start. And we should get the monkey off our back by winning the FA Cup. If we don't then fine, Wenger out. If we can't beat the teams that are left when it matters then I'll agree Wenger should go. If we do though then it will surely give the squad a much needed shot in the arm and with the new commercial deals we are well equipped to compete in the transfer market. The club will finally be heading in the right direction, IMO that is not the time to be changing manager with all the disruption that could cause.

[fakeyank]

Given mourinho wouldn't even loan us ba, lukaku is off the list. Benteke is utter shit. Not sold on costa either.

In January, mirallas isn't a striker (though if like to see him replace podolski) and the other two are hardly better then what we have.

Higuain was a huge fuck up and we should have got him but the others you have listed are not exactly brilliant options.

Benteke is a beast. Let's agree to disagree on that.

Costa's record speaks for himself.

Loaning is different than paying 20 million quid for Lukaku. If we were ready to pay 40 mill for Suarez, a bid of 12 million for Lukaku would seriously have got Chelsea thinking. And remember this would have been before we signed Ozil. A time when Mou didnt think we were title hopefuls.

Looking at those three options above, I think we can safely say that they are better than what we have now.

As for Mirallas or any of the name mentioned for the winter window. Tell me with a straight face that those names are not better than the Kallstrom debacle. Frankly speaking, anybody who even called themselves a striker was a better option than Kallstrom- a player who cant even get on the pitch when we are 4-0 down and are just trying to damage control the spanking.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Kallstrom thing was certainly a joke, I don't think anyone can argue anything else on that one. Kallstrom was a silly response to a growing injury crisis, not a key signing. But the fact he was injured himself provided the punch line.

I also think Benteke would be a useful plan B option for when our lumbering layabout isn't delivering the goods and is leaving us a man short up top. Lukaku, no. That cunt wouldn't have sold, loaned or sanctioned any business with us. He hates Wenger because Wenger has respect in the wider game while he's a pleb used by the media to fill column inches.

But bringing in anything other than a guy is was guaranteed a start is a tough call. You can say yes, Suarez is going to get the start. But some second tier player, will he come here to be second string to Giroud? I'm happier to have the money in the bank so we can make another Suarez level attempt in the summer. I see no reason why we can't be competing with any club for a top striker come July. The money is there, the sponsors are signed up, there are no reasonable excuses not to improve things 150% up top.

[Özim]

Firstly: No-one thinks the 3 away results against the top 3 are acceptable.
Secondly: This has not been a regular thing over the last few years. I looked back at our results going back quite a few years and the 8-2 was the only other real humping we've had. There have been other poor results, sure, but not real freak result spankings like we've had this year.

The last two years we've limped into 4th on the last day. This year we've been right up there in the title race till yesterday. I never saw the title as the benchmark for us this year and despite yesterday's debacle we're still 9 points better off than we were at this stage last year. Plus we're in the FA Cup Semi-final and with the other 3 sides left we really should win it.

There has been progress. Maybe not as much as some people would have liked but for every humping there have been plenty of good results this year, results we weren't getting over the last couple of years, which have shown some improvement.

There are too many internet warriors on here playing FIFA (or whatever) and thinking they have the first clue about how transfers work and how we could have got this player or that. Yes, we clearly needed a top striker and maybe we did put too many eggs in the Suarez basket but you can't just go to the supermarket and get top players to order. You can if you're Chelsea or City and can throw money around like it's going out of fashion but otherwise it's not that simple to get players in who would genuinely improve us. Spurs were lauded all summer for how well they'd done in the transfer market and I thought they'd done good business but what has been the result? They signed some good players but they didn't sign any great players, they sold one to fund their splurge. Once again they're left with no trophies and despite their comeback today they're still a point worse off than they were at this stage last year.

For years we've all been moaning, with some justification, about the direction the club is taking and the lack of trophies. This year we've signed Özil and tried to sign Suarez. It's the most ambition we've shown in the transfer market for a long time. It's not enough but it's a start. And we should get the monkey off our back by winning the FA Cup. If we don't then fine, Wenger out. If we can't beat the teams that are left when it matters then I'll agree Wenger should go. If we do though then it will surely give the squad a much needed shot in the arm and with the new commercial deals we are well equipped to compete in the transfer market. The club will finally be heading in the right direction, IMO that is not the time to be changing manager with all the disruption that could cause.

There's been some bad results since 2008 to be honest, not as bad as yesterday but bad nonetheless, results that shouldn't come with so much regularity IMO:

5-1(A) Tottenham Hotspur - Arsenal, 22 January 2008 (Carling Cup)
4-0(A) Man Utd - Arsenal, 16 February 2008 (FA Cup)
4-1(H) Chelsea - Arsenal, 11 May 2009 (Premier League)
4-1(A) Barcelona - Arsenal, 6 April 2010 (UEFA Champions League)
8-2(A) Manchester United - Arsenal, 28 August 2011 (League)
4-0(A) AC Milan - Arsenal, 15 February 2012 (UEFA Champions League)
6-3(A) Man City - Arsenal, 14 December 2013 (Premier League)
5-1(A) Liverpool - Arsenal, 8 February 2014 (Premier League)
6-0(A) Chelsea - Arsenal, 22 March 2014 (Premier League)

I think the point is we're seeing way too many of the one sided games with us being involved in recent times, big scorelines we never use to see much.

As for progress, maybe there has been but looks like we're going to end up 4th again, not sure if it really matters how you get there and I know points wise we were in the title hunt, but don't these big spankings and poor results against the top sides show we weren't genuinely in the hunt?

If Wenger won the cup I was more than willing to let him have another season, however after yet another spanking I'm not sure I am anymore, these results are really embrarrassing for a club of our stature, to have them happen three times in one season is even more illustrative of the problems, how many managers of top clubs would survive thrashings of this nature three times in one season?

Anyway for me, this has convinced me he's not up to it anymore, if you lose then do it with some fight and pride, from what I've seen in our big defeats this season we've just given up once we've been 2-0 down, that reflects poorly on the manager, when I saw the run in February and the one in March I predicted we'd probably collapse, looks like it's happened again, I wanted to be proved wrong but haven't been which in my eyes shows little has really changed, when the going gets tough we collapse and show no fight.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Benteke is a beast. Let's agree to disagree on that.

Costa's record speaks for himself.

Loaning is different than paying 20 million quid for Lukaku. If we were ready to pay 40 mill for Suarez, a bid of 12 million for Lukaku would seriously have got Chelsea thinking. And remember this would have been before we signed Ozil. A time when Mou didnt think we were title hopefuls.

Looking at those three options above, I think we can safely say that they are better than what we have now.

As for Mirallas or any of the name mentioned for the winter window. Tell me with a straight face that those names are not better than the Kallstrom debacle. Frankly speaking, anybody who even called themselves a striker was a better option than Kallstrom- a player who cant even get on the pitch when we are 4-0 down and are just trying to damage control the spanking.

Mourinho hates Wenger, he wouldn't do a thing to help him. There is no way he sells us any player. End of story.

You say the options above are safely better then what we have. The only one i will say is better is Higuain. Im still not completely sold on Costa, from the few games I've seen on him, he hasn't impressed hugely. Lukaku and Bentekke between them this season have 22 goals. Giroud has 18 on his own. They are not better then Giroud. Bentekke went months without scoring this season.

I said i would like Mirallas, i think he would be a lot of better then Podolski for sure. You can't compare though those players to Kallstrom because they are completely different positions. While we needed a striker, Arsene said he wanted cover in midfield for injuries. So Kallstrom has nothing to do with the names you have mentioned. Berbatov is just lazy, you think he would have made a difference yesterday? I doubt it. We saw it at fulham, if you don't pass the ball into his feet he can't be bothered to go and get it. Perhaps Pato might have made a difference, but he's been pretty poor in Brazil this year.

Look, i think we should have signed a top class striker, Higuain was a complete fuck up and if we had him then who knows what might have happened, but all those you named in that post, are not better then what we have now and you just clutching at straws. There are top level strikers out there who we could get, but you didn't name any of them. None of those players would have taken us to the next level and would have been a waste of money.

[Niall_Quinn]

Even the Higuain deal wasn't necessarily a fuck up. They kept on upping the price didn't they? I think it should be remembered there are an awful lot of greedy scumbags on the scene when the transfer window opens. Everyone has to get a cut in these deals and sometime those furthest from the game with the least to offer want a ridiculously big slice.

[Kano]

Klopp is 20 points behind bayern though isn't he? Dortmund haven't been brilliant this season. I'm not saying he would be the wrong choice but just saying that after the hype last season, he's failed to repeat it. Sold a lot of key players too
no, he just massively overachieved with a team that have resources nowhere near bayern. Dortmund players do well? bayern just jump in and take them. see gotze and lewandowski. bayern haven't lost in 51 games. not lost in the league since 2012. they are threatening to raise the bar even higher than barcelona did. the same barcelona they shredded 7-0 over two legs last season. no manager could repeat what klopp achieved last season. previous to that remember, he won the league two seasons in a row. he is the most suitable choice there is for the job. there should be no doubt about his ability at all.

[LDG]

I don't think anyone thinks we shouldn't have signed a top striker.

It wouldn't have helped yeaterday, because it has been proven for some time now, and with different players, that we don't prepare for games, and we continue to set ourselves up for a piss take.

The top sides know exactly how Wenger will set his stall out. That's the problem!

[selassie]

Regardless of folks opinions about signing Player X or Y or spending or not spending I do feel that the priority in the summer was to sign a top class striker and top class midfielder. Despite the clubs best efforts, and I say this through gritted teeth, we failed, we as a club failed to purchase top class players in both of these positions.

I wouldn't be so harsh on Arsene/the club if this was a one-off, but he/the club have form for this. We routinely go into seasons with woefully unbalanced squads having either failed to complete deals in the window or sold key members of the squad/team. Enough is enough as far as I am concerned.

This isn't about spending like City or Chelsea, this isn't about prawn sandwich type fans demanding trophies, this is about fans wanting the club to do as much as it possibly can to compete for top honours. If it means the club needs to pay that extra 5million to secure the best possible player for a position then so be it, if it means paying an extra 20k per week for the said player then so be it, if it means hiring in specialist coaches and a director of football then so be it.

Change is needed, we simply cannot go on like this as a club and expect progress.

[IBK]

Wenger may not sign a new contract at the end of the season and that's a fact we have to deal with. He's never skipped a press conference before and I think this loss is going to hurt him badly and there may be a lot of soul searching after this heavy defeat.

I agree that something may be in the air. But I am 50% less concerned than I would have been in January.

[IBK]

Firstly: No-one thinks the 3 away results against the top 3 are acceptable.
Secondly: This has not been a regular thing over the last few years. I looked back at our results going back quite a few years and the 8-2 was the only other real humping we've had. There have been other poor results, sure, but not real freak result spankings like we've had this year.

The last two years we've limped into 4th on the last day. This year we've been right up there in the title race till yesterday. I never saw the title as the benchmark for us this year and despite yesterday's debacle we're still 9 points better off than we were at this stage last year. Plus we're in the FA Cup Semi-final and with the other 3 sides left we really should win it.

There has been progress. Maybe not as much as some people would have liked but for every humping there have been plenty of good results this year, results we weren't getting over the last couple of years, which have shown some improvement.

There are too many internet warriors on here playing FIFA (or whatever) and thinking they have the first clue about how transfers work and how we could have got this player or that. Yes, we clearly needed a top striker and maybe we did put too many eggs in the Suarez basket but you can't just go to the supermarket and get top players to order. You can if you're Chelsea or City and can throw money around like it's going out of fashion but otherwise it's not that simple to get players in who would genuinely improve us. Spurs were lauded all summer for how well they'd done in the transfer market and I thought they'd done good business but what has been the result? They signed some good players but they didn't sign any great players, they sold one to fund their splurge. Once again they're left with no trophies and despite their comeback today they're still a point worse off than they were at this stage last year.

For years we've all been moaning, with some justification, about the direction the club is taking and the lack of trophies. This year we've signed Özil and tried to sign Suarez. It's the most ambition we've shown in the transfer market for a long time. It's not enough but it's a start. And we should get the monkey off our back by winning the FA Cup. If we don't then fine, Wenger out. If we can't beat the teams that are left when it matters then I'll agree Wenger should go. If we do though then it will surely give the squad a much needed shot in the arm and with the new commercial deals we are well equipped to compete in the transfer market. The club will finally be heading in the right direction, IMO that is not the time to be changing manager with all the disruption that could cause.

Letters. I get where you are coming from. But progress is measured against the teams around and above you. Given the benefits that Wenger has enjoyed - not losing his best player (for once); a marquee signing; a proper familiar defence...not to mention Manure in crisis; City - Scum with new managers springing surprise dropped points, the raw truth is that Wenger hasn't given even critical but loyal fans like me enough - even with an FA Cup win that would owe a fair amount to good fortune.

[Munchies]

^^ Exactly

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjcmgCyIAAAHTjM.jpg

:doh:

[Xhaka Can’t]

^^ Exactly

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjcmgCyIAAAHTjM.jpg

:doh:

Shit, we just missed out on seeing who won the Arnold Palmer Invitational.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

For years we've all been moaning, with some justification, about the direction the club is taking and the lack of trophies. This year we've signed Özil and tried to sign Suarez. It's the most ambition we've shown in the transfer market for a long time. It's not enough but it's a start. And we should get the monkey off our back by winning the FA Cup. If we don't then fine, Wenger out. If we can't beat the teams that are left when it matters then I'll agree Wenger should go. If we do though then it will surely give the squad a much needed shot in the arm and with the new commercial deals we are well equipped to compete in the transfer market. The club will finally be heading in the right direction, IMO that is not the time to be changing manager with all the disruption that could cause.

Spot on.

[GP]

Shit, we just missed out on seeing who won the Arnold Palmer Invitational.

It was Matt Every.

[Letters]

even with an FA Cup win that would owe a fair amount to good fortune.
:blink:

Drawing Spurs in the 3rd round then Liverpool then Everton?
All at home, granted, but while we've avoided City and Chelsea we've still had to beat 3 of the top 6.
We've earned our place in the semi-final.

[LDG]

:blink:

Drawing Spurs in the 3rd round then Liverpool then Everton?
All at home, granted, but while we've avoided City and Chelsea we've still had to beat 3 of the top 6.
We've earned our place in the semi-final.

Yeah, but we got all the luck in every match.

When anybody else does anything, they never get any luck.

The difference is they earn their luck. We just get given it without deserving it.

Jeez. Of course we have earnt our place in the semi. To suggest otherwise is a bit internet.

[AFC Leveller]

I remember when Wenger (2010 i think) said we were "3% away from world domination".

[AFC Leveller]

He says its "puzzling" the way we capitulated the other day. Really Arsene, are you surprised that your team, for the third time in a smany months, taken areal beating by one of their supposed rivals?

[selassie]

He says its "puzzling" the way we capitulated the other day. Really Arsene, are you surprised that your team, for the third time in a smany months, taken areal beating by one of their supposed rivals?

Yeah it's quite worrying the way he seems confused we keep getting beaten like this by our rivals. Maybe it's the preparation or lack of it? you know it might be something quite straight forward like that and not some absurd "algorithm" the laptop churns out.

[Marc Overmars]

I think Le Grove makes a good point today about how our next manager doesn't necessarily need a glittering CV because it's about the vision. After all Wenger was a nobody when he came but he was a visionary who changed the entire mindset of the club. That's what a new manager has to try and implement for us.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah it's quite worrying the way he seems confused we keep getting beaten like this by our rivals. Maybe it's the preparation or lack of it? you know it might be something quite straight forward like that and not some absurd "algorithm" the laptop churns out.

Maybe he pinned the ‘specialist of failure’ comments to the dressing room walls and it somehow brainwashed the players and became a self-fulfilling prophesy! Damn the media! ;)

[GP]

I think Le Grove makes a good point today about how our next manager doesn't necessarily need a glittering CV because it's about the vision. After all Wenger was a nobody when he came but he was a visionary who changed the entire mindset of the club. That's what a new manager has to try and implement for us.

I kind of get that but we're seeing at Utd what happens when you put a nobody in charge. We still need a name the players will respect.

[Dein-machine]

:gp: - Wenger has been David Moyes for 8 years

[GP]

No

[selassie]

Maybe he pinned the ‘specialist of failure’ comments to the dressing room walls and it somehow brainwashed the players and became a self-fulfilling prophesy! Damn the media! ;)

:lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

i think it's hard to deflect an accusation of stagnancy when you consider that he has managed us for 1,000 games and the last piece of silverware came for us in his 497th game managing the club.

[fakeyank]

I think Le Grove makes a good point today about how our next manager doesn't necessarily need a glittering CV because it's about the vision. After all Wenger was a nobody when he came but he was a visionary who changed the entire mindset of the club. That's what a new manager has to try and implement for us.

:gp:

[IBK]

:blink:

Drawing Spurs in the 3rd round then Liverpool then Everton?
All at home, granted, but while we've avoided City and Chelsea we've still had to beat 3 of the top 6.
We've earned our place in the semi-final.

We were fortunate against Liverpool and Spurs - with Spurs Sherwood's naivity really helped us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

We were fortunate against Liverpool and Spurs - with Spurs Sherwood's naivity really helped us.

How were we fortunate? We were the better team. We've beaten Liverpool twice this season, because we were the better team on the day, same with spurs. That's not fortunate

[Ollie the Optimist]

I've seen Brendan Rodgers mentioned on here and elsewhere as an example of a better manager then arsene amd how much better Liverpool are then us in big games etc. They have won the same amount against the top four (not inc united) as we have this season but because they are scoring a ton of goals against smaller teams this is overlooked.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I've seen Brendan Rodgers mentioned on here and elsewhere as an example of a better manager then arsene amd how much better Liverpool are then us in big games etc. They have won the same amount against the top four (not inc united) as we have this season but because they are scoring a ton of goals against smaller teams this is overlooked.

There is doubtless a pro Liverpool bias in the media, but whatever we say about liverpool they lost 2-1 to city and chelsea having played them back to back away from home over a three day period (and i think they were quite unlucky in both games). We have been given a good bloody hiding in the three games we have played these sides away from home and each time it seems to have got more humiliating....the city game i can excuse because we looked fatigued and we had a myriad of decisions go against us and we still managed three goals....the liverpool and chelsea games we made ourselves look like utter fools....and the mistakes and naivety tactically and from the players themselves was all to see.

[IBK]

How were we fortunate? We were the better team. We've beaten Liverpool twice this season, because we were the better team on the day, same with spurs. That's not fortunate

Spurs are a shambles. Liverpool are peaking at the right time. They stuffed us at their place.

[Marc Overmars]

I think the praise for Rodgers is more for turning a side who haven't finished higher than 6th in years, into title contenders and also implementing his own style of football on a previously rancid team.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Spurs are a shambles. Liverpool are peaking at the right time. They stuffed us at their place.

and then lost to us a week later so what does that say? both sides bottle the big games away from home? spurs might be a shambles but its north london derby, they always raise their game for that. In the liverpool game, there was a lot of pressure given the two results before it and we won by being the better team. claiming we were fortunate is just stupid quite frankly

[1_nilto the arsenal]

whatever you say about Rogers, he knows his tactics and does his homework methodically, studies his opponets in detail and has his players execute his instructuions. All we do is go and out and play football and hope we dont have an off day. There are some up and coming really good managers in the Championship. Laugh all you like but Uwe Rosler, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are doing a fantastic job. And the Championship so competitive when you get loads of money QPR spending millions and Wigan, Leicester and espcially Burnley working on a pittance of a budget and look at the way they play passing football. I woudl take any one of those 3 manager over Wenger, in fact I would even have Sherwood. Atleast he shows the passion and criticises his players and tells it how it is. Our manager stated on Arsenal TV that he didnat know why we got spanked by Chelsea?? You are the manager ffs, the man is going senile.

[Xhaka Can’t]

whatever you say about Rogers, he knows his tactics and does his homework methodically, studies his opponets in detail and has his players execute his instructuions. All we do is go and out and play football and hope we dont have an off day. There are some up and coming really good managers in the Championship. Laugh all you like but Uwe Rosler, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are doing a fantastic job. And the Championship so competitive when you get loads of money QPR spending millions and Wigan, Leicester and espcially Burnley working on a pittance of a budget and look at the way they play passing football. I woudl take any one of those 3 manager over Wenger, in fact I would even have Sherwood. Atleast he shows the passion and criticises his players and tells it how it is. Our manager stated on Arsenal TV that he didnat know why we got spanked by Chelsea?? You are the manager ffs, the man is going senile.

What a dreadfully sad post.

You need help.

[GP]

Mate, if you've come here just to talk shit, just don't bother.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

whatever you say about Rogers, he knows his tactics and does his homework methodically, studies his opponets in detail and has his players execute his instructuions. All we do is go and out and play football and hope we dont have an off day. There are some up and coming really good managers in the Championship. Laugh all you like but Uwe Rosler, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are doing a fantastic job. And the Championship so competitive when you get loads of money QPR spending millions and Wigan, Leicester and espcially Burnley working on a pittance of a budget and look at the way they play passing football. I woudl take any one of those 3 manager over Wenger, in fact I would even have Sherwood. Atleast he shows the passion and criticises his players and tells it how it is. Our manager stated on Arsenal TV that he didnat know why we got spanked by Chelsea?? You are the manager ffs, the man is going senile.

You are a very, very silly man....have you been drinking?....you shouldn't drink alone, if they were alive alex higgins and george best would tell you it doesn't do you any good.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

whatever you say about Rogers, he knows his tactics and does his homework methodically, studies his opponets in detail and has his players execute his instructuions. All we do is go and out and play football and hope we dont have an off day. There are some up and coming really good managers in the Championship. Laugh all you like but Uwe Rosler, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are doing a fantastic job. And the Championship so competitive when you get loads of money QPR spending millions and Wigan, Leicester and espcially Burnley working on a pittance of a budget and look at the way they play passing football. I woudl take any one of those 3 manager over Wenger, in fact I would even have Sherwood. Atleast he shows the passion and criticises his players and tells it how it is. Our manager stated on Arsenal TV that he didnat know why we got spanked by Chelsea?? You are the manager ffs, the man is going senile.

I'll go one further....are you Stewart Robson?

[GP]

haha what a Joker.

[Munchies]

Don't know why he's being flamed for that, questionable replacements yes :lol: , but the basis of it is that we need a manager who tells it like it is.

We need a manager who is willing to change things around, rather than just sitting on his arse and watching the team get smashed. Had Wenger made some changes at 2-0 , we might have had a chance to nick something atleast.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If you reckon Sherwood is a better option, you're probably going to get a less than serious response.

[Munchies]

New Wenger quotes being released, he didn't have a conference but did a media thing with the club website
https://twitter.com/gunnerblog


AW: "You need to analyse as well the fact that we were down to 10 men & the offensive quality of Chelsea on the counter attack is very good"
AW: "We just came out of 2 convincing results at Bayern Munich and at Tottenham so you have to think that [Chelsea] was an accident."
AW: "An accident has happened, that doesn't mean that you're not a good driver."
AW: "We have played about 40 games this season and it's not what happened on Saturday that reflects the quality of this team."
Wenger on the team for Swansea: "There will be some refreshment because we have some players who have given a lot."
"When you attack with 10 men you know you have more chances to concede another."
AW thinks comparisons with Liverpool away fair, City no. "I believe Man City was different. Liverpool, yes."
AW: "At the moment there's no rational explanation other than the quality of our opponents & that we were caught at the start of the game."
AW on why this happens: "Why? We don't really know."



:haha:

LOL

[Xhaka Can’t]

It is pathetic how some Arsenal supporters delight in holding a man who is Arsenal through and through up to ridicule. An absolute disgrace and I am more embarrassed to be associated with them than any result over the past 18 years.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is Owen Coyle in a job at the moment? Surely we could get him in?

[Niall_Quinn]

It is pathetic how some Arsenal supporters delight in holding a man who is Arsenal through and through up to ridicule. An absolute disgrace and I am more embarrassed to be associated with them than any result over the past 18 years.

Ditto.

[Munchies]

It is pathetic how some Arsenal supporters delight in holding a man who is Arsenal through and through up to ridicule. An absolute disgrace and I am more embarrassed to be associated with them than any result over the past 18 years.

He said he doesn't know why we lost 6-0

[Niall_Quinn]

He should come on here to find out. Silly old fool. Incompetent. Shit bastard who deserves to die. And his family.

COYG

[LDG]

:haha:

[Munchies]

He should come on here to find out. Silly old fool. Incompetent. Shit bastard who deserves to die. And his family.

COYG

Well he has been incompetent that's for sure. He's calling it an accident. Getting beat 6-0 isn't on when it isn't the only thrashing we've had this season.

[LDG]

Well he has been incompetent that's for sure. He's calling it an accident. Getting beat 6-0 isn't on.

I'm sure he's telling the team exactly that.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Well he has been incompetent that's for sure. He's calling it an accident. Getting beat 6-0 isn't on when it isn't the only thrashing we've had this season.

It isn't on - it is hardly intentional.Unlike the intentional ridicule and glee in heaping ridicule on a man that has been Arsenal through and through for 18 years is not just 'not on', it is disgusting.

I want a change of Manager, but more than that, I want absolutely to have no association with the bile Wenger has been subject to, from fans of our Club.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Don't know why he's being flamed for that, questionable replacements yes :lol: , but the basis of it is that we need a manager who tells it like it is.

We need a manager who is willing to change things around, rather than just sitting on his arse and watching the team get smashed. Had Wenger made some changes at 2-0 , we might have had a chance to nick something atleast.

what changes would you have made then? at 2-0 down, with that bench, what would you have done?

probably very little, there wasn't much that could be changed we were that bad. yes that is down to Arsene as well as the players, it would have been nice to have a fit squad and yes mistakes were made in not signing a striker etc, that is old ground. At 2-0 at the bridge, what would you have done? Im not sure there is much he could have done bar tell the team to stop playing like shit. Just because he didnt stand up and wave his arms around and show "passion" doesn't mean he doesn't care.

[Xhaka Can’t]

what changes would you have made then? at 2-0 down, with that bench, what would you have done?

probably very little, there wasn't much that could be changed we were that bad. yes that is down to Arsene as well as the players, it would have been nice to have a fit squad and yes mistakes were made in not signing a striker etc, that is old ground. At 2-0 at the bridge, what would you have done? Im not sure there is much he could have done bar tell the team to stop playing like shit. Just because he didnt stand up and wave his arms around and show "passion" doesn't mean he doesn't care.

I think the lack of responsive changes goes deeper than in just this match. There have been too many occasions this season where there has been a complete lack of deviation personnel and set up, when it is clear that changes are needed. Too often it looks like all substitutions have been determined prior to kick-off and whatever happens afterwards on the pitch seems immaterial.

[Munchies]

what changes would you have made then? at 2-0 down, with that bench, what would you have done?

probably very little, there wasn't much that could be changed we were that bad. yes that is down to Arsene as well as the players, it would have been nice to have a fit squad and yes mistakes were made in not signing a striker etc, that is old ground. At 2-0 at the bridge, what would you have done? Im not sure there is much he could have done bar tell the team to stop playing like shit. Just because he didnt stand up and wave his arms around and show "passion" doesn't mean he doesn't care.

Well with my Football Manager experience :coffee:

Arteta off, Flamini on.
Rosicky moved to the middle.
Ox moved out to the wing.
Giroud off, Sanogo on.
Tell Sagna and Gibbs to limit their advances up the pitch.
Podolski off , Gnabry on.

He could've changed something. The way he set out the team was far too open. I'm not doubting his passion for the club.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I think the lack of responsive changes goes deeper than in just this match. There have been too many occasions this season where there has been a complete lack of deviation personnel and set up, when it is clear that changes are needed. Too often it looks like all substitutions have been determined prior to kick-off and whatever happens afterwards on the pitch seems immaterial.

fair point that though i do feel his tactics in the last 18 months have been a lot better. Although you don't win anything for getting the most points in a calendar year, you do however need to get your tactics right to manage that. Clearly he got more games right with this squad then he used to before but the big games are the problem.

I do think perhaps change is needed now, and it really is with a heavy heart i say that.

[Ollie the Optimist]

its got the point now that i almost want Arsene to go because i can't face another season where every result that isn't a win, ignoring every single bit of context about the result, results in everyone calling Arsene a cunt and get him out. its just boring, repetitive and stupid.

[fakeyank]

How many people have seriously called him a cunt recently? I dont remember seeing much in the way of people getting personal as they used to (I was one of them). Yes, many have called him clueless but he hasnt faced any serious vile. I think too much is made of AW receiving "insults". Again, my response is from what I see and read on GW. May be the word on the street is different.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's because some of us are fighting hard to get this manager the respect he deserves. It's good if the mindless insults have been rowed back. It means we can start getting to a place where we can have a real debate about the future of the club. The one thing that's really important to consider, if anyone here thinks they are a bigger fan of Arsenal than Arsene Wenger - well they are as wrong as it is possible to be. We're talking about the biggest fan of this club when we are talking about our manager. So respect? I should say so.

[Niall_Quinn]

And I just polished off the last of the whisky - which is fucking shit if the truth be told.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger's biggest fault, the one that impacts the most? He has faith in his players and genuinely gives a shit about their careers. Even I admit this is foolish because none of them are Dennis Bergkamp. There was a guy who it was worth having faith in. These current guys? Who is there? Wilshere. Ramsey (and didn't we give him some shit), Merts and Kos - well maybe. But let's give it time. And the much maligned Arteta. We thought Sagna but maybe we're about to get fucked on that one. Who else? Flamini? Not likely, despite his crowd rousing theatrics. He left after all. Jenks if you ask me, he seems to love every minute of it and break his back when called upon. Does that win you titles? Nope. But it's a tough choice, I hope. Commitment or the chequebook. These are people in jobs by the way, very glamorous jobs no doubt. But they don't see it that way because different world, different expectations and all that shit that separates them from the reality of the howling fans lack of self achievement.

We should have a thread for us geniuses here - What Have You Achieved Today? Talk about an empty thread.

Wenger trusts these loveable bastards. That's where he goes wrong. When he says he is puzzled, maybe it shows he is out of touch after all. Maybe it shows he doesn't quite have a grasp of the modern human being. That selfish twat of a creature that doesn't mind seeing the whole world go to hell provided I'm alright Jack. Coincidence regarding the name Jack.

This explains the shit in the transfer market too, how it would "kill" player X, Y, Z if we signed somebody.

If we are going to crucify Wenger then let's crucify him because he is not as shallow as your typical modern day hero. But forget about calling him clueless because in the grand scheme of things he's one of the last blokes that does actually have a clue. To his great disadvantage.

If our politicians could hone in on the clues Wenger picks up well maybe we'd all be the better for it. As it is, what are they if they're not your typical football star?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think Wengers main problem is stubborness, all this post match press conference where he says he doesn't know is nonsense, unless he is deaf he would have heard Steve Bould telling him what was wrong but he is not going to publically admit that partly goaded by the "specialist in failure" comment (I don't believe for a second a remark like that goes over his head) and the hype of his 1,000 game he set us up to attack early on (perhaps as NQ remarks faith in his players). I imagine in the cold light of day it's impossible to be in football as long as AW has and not know he tactically blundered in every conceivable way and that his players playing to a game plan collapsed and folded with the game plan within the first ten minutes.


I really just don't want another humiliation next week against city before we have shown to have learnt anything.

[Xhaka Can’t]

How many people have seriously called him a cunt recently? I dont remember seeing much in the way of people getting personal as they used to (I was one of them). Yes, many have called him clueless but he hasnt faced any serious vile. I think too much is made of AW receiving "insults". Again, my response is from what I see and read on GW. May be the word on the street is different.

The last time I know of was in this thread - 17 posts above yours. Most of the intervening posts were from LDG NQ and myself. You shouldn't even have to ask the C question - and yes, the bile has been there, it is disgusting and it says far more about the persons spewing it than it does about a man that is Arsenal to the core.

[Power n Glory]

whatever you say about Rogers, he knows his tactics and does his homework methodically, studies his opponets in detail and has his players execute his instructuions. All we do is go and out and play football and hope we dont have an off day. There are some up and coming really good managers in the Championship. Laugh all you like but Uwe Rosler, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche are doing a fantastic job. And the Championship so competitive when you get loads of money QPR spending millions and Wigan, Leicester and espcially Burnley working on a pittance of a budget and look at the way they play passing football. I woudl take any one of those 3 manager over Wenger, in fact I would even have Sherwood. Atleast he shows the passion and criticises his players and tells it how it is. Our manager stated on Arsenal TV that he didnat know why we got spanked by Chelsea?? You are the manager ffs, the man is going senile.

That would be suicidal. Going as far as the Championship or worse - Sherwood! Never. Regardless of what we all think of Wenger, he'll be a tough act to follow and we can't risk putting a novice in charge that could possibly fragment the team. We never have major bust ups or outright mutiny against Wenger's methods because there is at least a respect level there from the players. We bring some new guy in with a vision that may be hard for the players to swallow, he may have a hard time getting them to follow through. That's the problem Moyes has at United. Well, part of the problem.

We need someone with credentials. Not just anybody. He'll have to have serious charisma and man management skills otherwise. Wenger wasn't a big name when he arrived here but he won the French league and completely revolutionised the Prem. The players had never come across someone of his calibre. That needs to continue.

[saintnickle]

its got the point now that i almost want Arsene to go because i can't face another season where every result that isn't a win, ignoring every single bit of context about the result, results in everyone calling Arsene a cunt and get him out. its just boring, repetitive and stupid.

boring, repetitive and stupid.A bit like our last 9 seasons then..

[GP]

boring, repetitive and stupid.A bit like all my posts..

exactly haha lol jk not jk

[saintnickle]

That's because some of us are fighting hard to get this manager the respect he deserves. It's good if the mindless insults have been rowed back. It means we can start getting to a place where we can have a real debate about the future of the club. The one thing that's really important to consider, if anyone here thinks they are a bigger fan of Arsenal than Arsene Wenger - well they are as wrong as it is possible to be. We're talking about the biggest fan of this club when we are talking about our manager. So respect? I should say so.

What a load of absolute tosh.If i was the manager of a club i loved with a passion and all my heart and was a multi millionaire i would be different.If i knew the club was struggling financially i would find it hard to allow myself a wage of £130k a week (8 mill a year) especially when i hadnt won anything for so long.I certainly wouldnt put a wage structure in place which everyone at the club had to be part of ..well everyone exept me..

[Power n Glory]

New Wenger quotes being released, he didn't have a conference but did a media thing with the club website
https://twitter.com/gunnerblog



:haha:

LOL

That's what kills me. Chelsea/Jose quality counter attacks, that shouldn't have been a surprise. That is how Jose sets his teams up and he's always on about quick transitions. We should have been prepared. Also, the results against Bayern and Spurs weren't convincing. We didn't get thrashed and taking a point and winning against Spurs away is a good result. But you can't just look at the outcome for those games going in against Chelsea.

Against Spurs and Bayern, we passed the ball poorly and have it away cheaply. It were close to 60% against us which is very unusual. They had chances and poor quality is what let them down. It wasn't a complete shut out and we didn't control the game with ease. Bayern dominated us in possession and they had 70%. We struggled to cope with their pressing, didn't create many chances but defended well.

Now in light of that, why were the players so reckless in possession against Chelsea? A team that are deadly on the counter and it's something we should have been aware of from the start. Shouldn't we have started Ox on the flank and Rosicky in the middle to steady the ship? We always knew Chelsea were going to play two strong defensive bricks in the middle that would be hard to bypass. Bah...just so tired of it all.

[saintnickle]

exactly haha lol jk not jk

Could you repeat that in english please.

[AFC Leveller]

That's what kills me. Chelsea/Jose quality counter attacks, that shouldn't have been a surprise. That is how Jose sets his teams up and he's always on about quick transitions. We should have been prepared. Also, the results against Bayern and Spurs weren't convincing. We didn't get thrashed and taking a point and winning against Spurs away is a good result. But you can't just look at the outcome for those games going in against Chelsea.

Against Spurs and Bayern, we passed the ball poorly and have it away cheaply. It were close to 60% against us which is very unusual. They had chances and poor quality is what let them down. It wasn't a complete shut out and we didn't control the game with ease. Bayern dominated us in possession and they had 70%. We struggled to cope with their pressing, didn't create many chances but defended well.

Now in light of that, why were the players so reckless in possession against Chelsea? A team that are deadly on the counter and it's something we should have been aware of from the start. Shouldn't we have started Ox on the flank and Rosicky in the middle to steady the ship? We always knew Chelsea were going to play two strong defensive bricks in the middle that would be hard to bypass. Bah...just so tired of it all.

Thats what im saying, the lack of understanding and planning from the manager is so frsutrating. Chelsea this season have been efficient but nowhere near deadly and before the game i made the point that they hadnt blown away any team this season and were there for the taking. However, i hadnt realised that this team and manager didnt learn anything from the Liverpool defeat and that they were about to go out there and commit the same errors and basic mistakes they did against Liverpool.

West ham, Palace, Stoke, Everton, West Brom etc all went to the bridge and produced excellent performances and although some lost, they came very close. These teams went in with a plan and made sure they stayed solid and compact. We on the other hand are supposed to be better than them, we have better players, a better manager and have amibitions to win the league but the way we folded was so bad i thought it was a hidden camera show.

The manager has to take much of the flack because this defeat was down to him more than anyone else.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I think those who are attacking my post are missing the point. All I want is a manager who can make changes when things arent working, who can instruct players to follow tactics and who can correct previous mistakes, like why we do always lie down against the big teams. Every shit team beat Man U at OT and guess what, we were the only club that lost their during their poor showings, typical. I dont care if we lose and I dont care if we dont play champions league football, as long as we fight and show grit and courage rather than being so spinless and weak. 8-2 at OT, how many times have you ever seen Arsenal lose by 8 goals? Its concievable with Wengers Arsenal as the man has no stratedgy, no game plan, doesnt know how to change a game. C'mon please tell me you are watching the same Arsenal. Bad signings, Giroud, Arteta, playing Wilshire when he's out of form and unfit, signing an old timer who was injured to cover injured players???? We all know we needed a striker in Louis Surarez, so we sign a £42 mill midfield flop who looked very good at Madrid but then again who doesnt. In January he had a chance to rectify the situation and chose to do business on the last working day for another midfielder on loan who was injured ffs.

[LDG]

fair point that though i do feel his tactics in the last 18 months have been a lot better. Although you don't win anything for getting the most points in a calendar year, you do however need to get your tactics right to manage that. Clearly he got more games right with this squad then he used to before but the big games are the problem.

I do think perhaps change is needed now, and it really is with a heavy heart i say that.

The defence has been pretth good this year, spankings aside. The attack, not so much.

The reason Wenger has gotten it wrong, IMO, is that the defence is now the basis for this side, and the reason for our relative consistency.

Against the "normal" teams, we go out not to concede, probe a deep lying back line, and nick a few goals.

Against the slightly better teams, Spuds, Everton etc, we look on the back foot, bit theyvaren't good enough to invade our back line, and we can often nick a goal, and generally concede less than we score.

Against the top teams....well, you see what happens when we concede first, and early....against all three of the big piss takes this year, we've been buried in 10 minutes. That says to me, poor preparation, lack of confidence and no plan B.

[AFC Leveller]

The auto subtitue time is also a mistery. If your team is losng 2/3-0 in the first 20 mins, why dont you sub of the ones who keep giving the ball away and bring on fresh legs? why do you wait until its too late?


Frustrating.

[Power n Glory]

I think those who are attacking my post are missing the point. All I want is a manager who can make changes when things arent working, who can instruct players to follow tactics and who can correct previous mistakes, like why we do always lie down against the big teams. Every shit team beat Man U at OT and guess what, we were the only club that lost their during their poor showings, typical. I dont care if we lose and I dont care if we dont play champions league football, as long as we fight and show grit and courage rather than being so spinless and weak. 8-2 at OT, how many times have you ever seen Arsenal lose by 8 goals? Its concievable with Wengers Arsenal as the man has no stratedgy, no game plan, doesnt know how to change a game. C'mon please tell me you are watching the same Arsenal. Bad signings, Giroud, Arteta, playing Wilshire when he's out of form and unfit, signing an old timer who was injured to cover injured players???? We all know we needed a striker in Louis Surarez, so we sign a £42 mill midfield flop who looked very good at Madrid but then again who doesnt. In January he had a chance to rectify the situation and chose to do business on the last working day for another midfielder on loan who was injured ffs.

I hear the frustration and can agree with that. We need a change. On the management side, if we're going for someone with little experience but has a great vision, then I'll always maintain that it has to be someone with a good record against the big clubs, has won a domestic trophy or was legendary player. Someone with weight behind their argument so when they lay into the players they respond.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

So two more years it is then, if the rags are to be afforded an undetectable hint credibility.

I reckon that's enough time for Pep to get bored at Bayern, or around the time Klopp's contract with BVB would have near ran out.

[Munchies]

Stewart Robson has launched a stinging attack on Arsene Wenger after the crushing 6-0 defeat at Chelsea left Arsenal's title bid in tatters and has called for the Frenchman's reign to be brought to an end.

Wenger admitted he was not sure what went wrong at Stamford Bridge on Saturday lunchtime as his side were blown away by their London rivals.

Jose Mourinho's men were 3-0 up inside 17 minutes as Chelsea joined Manchester City and Liverpool in thrashing Arsenal this season.

And the defeat has left Robson furious, with the former Gunners star pointing the finger of blame at Wenger.

“I don’t think they will win the Premier League in the near future. I think they need a change of manager," he said, speaking on The Sports Bar.

"Arsene Wenger said we are not quite sure how it happened [the defeat at Chelsea], but it happened at Liverpool, it happened against Manchester City, it happened a little bit against Southampton. How does he not know what happened?

"Arsenal don’t earn the right to play. Every coach will send his team out and say, ‘before you can go and express yourself, you have to win the battle first. You have to earn the right to play, then once you have earned the right to play, now you can express yourself'. Unless teams drop off and allow Arsenal to play, they can’t cope with the physicality.

"How does he not know what happened in that game, because the exact same thing happened against Liverpool. If you have watched Arsenal as I have over the last seven or eight years they are going to be exposed."

Chelsea's victory kept them top of the pile and Robson has nothing but praise for Mourinho, who he claims would sort out Arsenal's problems in no time.

"If Jose Mourinho was in charge of the Arsenal squad, they would be six, seven, eight points better off than they are now because he is a better coach," added Robson.

"He understands what it takes and getting the balance right between the attacking side of the game and defensive side of the game. He knows that he wants his players to do certain jobs in the team. He knows players have to work hard. He knows players can't throw themselves around and look for free-kicks in the midfield."


The one you've all been waiting for,
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-arsenal-star-slams-arsene-wenger-and-calls-gunners-boss-go-14032584809#YwpHDs8CMgtW6QpO.99

[GP]

No one cares what Robson has to say.

[saintnickle]

No one cares what Robson has to say.

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

[GP]

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

and you are?

[Power n Glory]

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

:haha:

[Power n Glory]

http://arseblog.com/2014/03/arsecast-extra-episode-9-with-ian-wright/

This is worth a listen. Some good points made.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

:haha:

Almost always guaranteed a laugh whenever I visit this place.

[Letters]

http://arseblog.com/2014/03/arsecast-extra-episode-9-with-ian-wright/

This is worth a listen. Some good points made.
Really? It says 'With Ian Wright' so I'm not expecting that many good points.

[Munchies]

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

:haha:


Really? It says 'With Ian Wright' so I'm not expecting that many good points.

Listened to the part that he started at, he makes decent points.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

:haha:

#owned

[Power n Glory]

I think people need to cut Wright some slack. He’ll always be a Gooner. He made some good points at the end and he’s right about the players letting Wenger and themselves down. Beyond the tactics and team selection, there should have been unified agreement that we wouldn’t get battered coming out for the 2nd half. It’s even more embarrassing because the beating came at the hands of a Mourinho team and they should have been pumped to deal with him considering his recent comments. I have a hunch that the comments got to the players and Wenger and we set out to attack him instead of just staying calm and making sure we don’t make mistakes. We got the wind kicked out of us early and stayed flat from there on.

[Özim]

You would think now with 15000 posts that you would realise that no one cares what you have to say either..

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

What a load of absolute tosh.If i was the manager of a club i loved with a passion and all my heart and was a multi millionaire i would be different.If i knew the club was struggling financially i would find it hard to allow myself a wage of £130k a week (8 mill a year) especially when i hadnt won anything for so long.I certainly wouldnt put a wage structure in place which everyone at the club had to be part of ..well everyone exept me..

The club wasn't struggling financially, it put a financial plan in place that focused on securing increased revenues so the club could compete into the future against the biggest clubs domestically and in Europe. This plan has been completely successful, despite a major economic downturn, and Wenger has been instrumental in achieving the result. Like any senior employee who has delivered for his bosses he has been paid well. If you want to criticise anyone at the club regarding money, have a look at the previous shareholders who put very little in and then demanded the maximum payout when they left. Criticising Wenger for the results on the pitch in one thing. Criticising him on the financial side is nonsensical.

[Özim]

Really? It says 'With Ian Wright' so I'm not expecting that many good points.

Why do you say that? He loves Arsenal and has his opinion on things, just because you don't agree with his points it doesn't mean they aren't valid or good. Haven't listened to it yet but to discredit him even before listening is harsh.

[Letters]

Why do you say that? He loves Arsenal and has his opinion on things, just because you don't agree with his points it doesn't mean they aren't valid or good. Haven't listened to it yet but to discredit him even before listening is harsh.
I've seen some of the shit he spouts in the papers. :shrug:
Listening to it though and it's good so far.

[I am invisible]

I've seen some of the shit he spouts in the papers. :shrug:
Listening to it though and it's good so far.

I've yet to read anything decent from Wrighty in the daily rags, but to be fair to him he's actually pretty good on his 'drive-time' phone-in on Radio 5, and does come across as a genuine gooner...

[Letters]

I've yet to read anything decent from Wrighty in the daily rags, but to be fair to him he's actually pretty good on his 'drive-time' phone-in on Radio 5, and does come across as a genuine gooner...
Oh he's definitely a genuine gooner.
Listened to most of the podcast now and he seems reasonable enough.

[BlindFaith_8]

The one you've all been waiting for,
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-arsenal-star-slams-arsene-wenger-and-calls-gunners-boss-go-14032584809#YwpHDs8CMgtW6QpO.99

Agreed 100%.

[LDG]

The one you've all been waiting for,
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-former-arsenal-star-slams-arsene-wenger-and-calls-gunners-boss-go-14032584809#YwpHDs8CMgtW6QpO.99

That man is sooooo bitter.

He has had an agenda for sometime, and I'm sure it's personal. A personal vendetta is not the ideal basis on which to base his opinion.

I agree to an extent that Wenger is at fault, but he blindly casts assertions about that don't stack up when you look atvthe bigger picture.

For one. Mourinho may be a better tactician, but there is no way he could have built a side on a shoestring and do what Wenger has for this club. No way whatsoever. That's why Maureen hates Wenger so much. You don't despuse someone so much unless you are insecure in yourself....

....much like Robson.

[I am invisible]

Oh he's definitely a genuine gooner.
Listened to most of the podcast now and he seems reasonable enough.

I wasn't sure for a while there! He was starting to sound like any old mercenary footballer when SWP (allegedly) chose Roman's millions over us, but he seems to have gone back to being unashamedly Arsenal again since then, so I'm prepared to chalk that up to sticking up for his lad in public...

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ian Wright is Arsenal through and through
Most times when I hear him speak, I understand where he is coming from, but his newspaper stuff is garbage.

[BlindFaith_8]

He might have an agenda with Arsenal, but he's not far off from the truth. I couldnt go another season with another thrashing by Mourinho, Man U, City or Liverpool Its too painful. Get beaten is fine, all good teams do, but losing in that manner against Chelsea and Liverpool was a complete disaster.

[I am invisible]

That man is sooooo bitter.

He has had an agenda for sometime, and I'm sure it's personal. A personal vendetta is not the ideal basis on which to base his opinion.

I agree to an extent that Wenger is at fault, but he blindly casts assertions about that don't stack up when you look atvthe bigger picture.

For one. Mourinho may be a better tactician, but there is no way he could have built a side on a shoestring and do what Wenger has for this club. No way whatsoever. That's why Maureen hates Wenger so much. You don't despuse someone so much unless you are insecure in yourself....

....much like Robson.
The crazy thing is, for all the hammerings we've taken from our main rivals this season, we'll still only be 4 points off the top if we beat Swansea tonight (big 'IF')!

What's even more insane is that we could have taken all those hammerings and still been top, if we'd only beaten Southampton and Stoke (or Man U, or someone else shit)?! We might look light-years behind our rivals in our head-to-heads, and that is something we undoubtedly have to put right, but our current position suggests that we're actually outperforming them when it comes to the easier games (which make up the vast bulk of our season)?

[Power n Glory]

The crazy thing is, for all the hammerings we've taken from our main rivals this season, we'll still only be 4 points off the top if we beat Swansea tonight (big 'IF')!

What's even more insane is that we could have taken all those hammerings and still been top, if we'd only beaten Southampton and Stoke (or Man U, or someone else shit)?! We might look light-years behind our rivals in our head-to-heads, and that is something we undoubtedly have to put right, but our current position suggests that we're actually outperforming them when it comes to the easier games (which make up the vast bulk of our season)?

I still can't believe we've chucked this one away. I still can't believe our actions over the past two windows. We're paying for it now. The poor form and amount of injuries racked up is no coincidence. We really should have bulked up the squad. We'd have been in a much better position to secure the league title.

[Ollie the Optimist]

what do people expect a new manager to deliver? if lets say we win the cup and top four this season, i think thats progress and a good season though i see why people think change is needed, but if the new manager delivered that next season, is that acceptable given people want Arsene to go for potentially delivering just that.

[JonasTC]

what do people expect a new manager to deliver? if lets say we win the cup and top four this season, i think thats progress and a good season though i see why people think change is needed, but if the new manager delivered that next season, is that acceptable given people want Arsene to go for potentially delivering just that.

I dont think it mathers, i think some people want to get rid of him no mather what, they'll always find a reason.

[LDG]

what do people expect a new manager to deliver? if lets say we win the cup and top four this season, i think thats progress and a good season though i see why people think change is needed, but if the new manager delivered that next season, is that acceptable given people want Arsene to go for potentially delivering just that.

For me, it isn't just about where we finish, or what we win.

My annoyance is soley based on the same mistakes being made over and over. It's pretty unforgivable, no matter how much I love Wenger and all that he has done for us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

For me, it isn't just about where we finish, or what we win.

My annoyance is soley based on the same mistakes being made over and over. It's pretty unforgivable, no matter how much I love Wenger and all that he has done for us.

thats a fair reason. I was asking as saw this question on twitter and someone said something quite interesting. if a new manager did come in, he would (if he started right now) be under pressure of not winning a trophy for 9 years as the club hasn't so with that in mind, does the expectations rise or does the new manager start from "0 years" since last trophy if you see what i mean.

[JonasTC]

Media would probably just change all their articles from "Wenger havent won anything in X years" to "Arsenal havent won anything in X years", unless we hired Mourinho, they would they celebrate his 4th place as an improvement to all the other 4th place trophies :d

[Flavs]

I think after today's defeat he'll take a long hard look at himself and realise that he's taken this team as far as he can..

This is Arsene Wenger we are talking about here? he is hardly mr introspection now is he

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Anyone please, we need some major changes from the playing staff, coaching/Scouting and above all a new manager, but it just aint going to happen. Wenger is in a confort zone and the Board will back thier man. Its Groundhog Day for the next 3 seasons.

[I am invisible]

thats a fair reason. I was asking as saw this question on twitter and someone said something quite interesting. if a new manager did come in, he would (if he started right now) be under pressure of not winning a trophy for 9 years as the club hasn't so with that in mind, does the expectations rise or does the new manager start from "0 years" since last trophy if you see what i mean.

Personally speaking, I'd be putting any ideas of trophies right out of my head to start with, if anyone new came in - yes, that's what they'll eventually be judged on, but in the immediate/short-term I'd be looking more at things like whether they can modernise our thinking about fitness and injury prevention, update our scouting network, the kind of players they bring in, whether we see a change in the mentality of the teams we put out, whether we start to focus a little more on things like shape and pressing, and build more around pace and power, whether we go out with specific game plans for specific opponents, etc. For all out huffing and puffing as fans, we're a actually quite a patient bunch, and I think we could absorb another trophyless year or two, as long as we feel we're seeing signs of change - from what I've read on these forums over the last 10 years, it sounds like it's the monotony of the 'same old, same old' that's wearing everyone down, rather than any great disaster or crisis, and I think most fans will be happy to give it a little time, as long as they feel we can see something new happening...

[Bumble]

Only way I see a new manager is if Wenger decides he has had enough but wouldn't be surprised if he is given a role in the board room and tasked to select the next manager.

[Marc Overmars]

I'm really starting to think he may walk away this summer, his body language is that of a beaten man. You have to think whether the players are starting to wonder if he'll sign a new deal as well.

[I am invisible]

Only way I see a new manager is if Wenger decides he has had enough but wouldn't be surprised if he is given a role in the board room and tasked to select the next manager.

I'd actually love to see him take over the academy, when he eventually decides to retire from management - he's always said that developing young players is the part of the job that gives him the most satisfaction, and what an incentive that would be for the best young young players to join us instead of our rivals: the chance to learn from Arsene Wenger instead of some nobody!

[AFC Leveller]

I dont want him to have any influence on first team matters if he does leave. He's had 18 years to do what he wants under no pressure fom above and he has to accept that someone else should come in and do what he believes in rather than follow orders.

[Letters]

No pressure?

[Bumble]

I'd actually love to see him take over the academy, when he eventually decides to retire from management - he's always said that developing young players is the part of the job that gives him the most satisfaction, and what an incentive that would be for the best young young players to join us instead of our rivals: the chance to learn from Arsene Wenger instead of some nobody!

Nice idea but for someone claiming to give youth a chance how many players have actually been brought the academy under wengers reign. Cole, gibbs, wilshere. Szczensy was signed at 15 I think. Can't think of any others that have a big contribution to us.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm really starting to think he may walk away this summer, his body language is that of a beaten man. You have to think whether the players are starting to wonder if he'll sign a new deal as well.

you mean the same body language he carries around every time we have performed badly in the last five years

[I am invisible]

Nice idea but for someone claiming to give youth a chance how many players have actually been brought the academy under wengers reign. Cole, gibbs, wilshere. Szczensy was signed at 15 I think. Can't think of any others that have a big contribution to us.

Well, if he hasn't felt the quality has been good enough, then there's his chance to something about it!

[Power n Glory]

I'd actually love to see him take over the academy, when he eventually decides to retire from management - he's always said that developing young players is the part of the job that gives him the most satisfaction, and what an incentive that would be for the best young young players to join us instead of our rivals: the chance to learn from Arsene Wenger instead of some nobody!

Hell no! More tippy tappy passing drills during training? No thanks.

[Munchies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7NfAHMh0g

Still going on about the 'spirit'

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[I am invisible]

Hell no! More tippy tappy passing drills during training? No thanks.

That's the sort of stuff you should be learning at academy level though - the basics. I have no problem with seeing it at that level - it's the first team training methods that need updating...

[AFC Leveller]

No pressure?

Yes, pressure. Getting 4th is about as tough as it gets for him. We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league so we're just about doing enough but he is never under presure like other managers, he is never going to fight not to to lose his job, to spend properly or to challenge properly! no to mention that his tactics and lack of preparation.

he has gotten a far easier ride than anyone else and apart from cetain sections of the fans, everyone is respectfull towards him and his name is sung at every game so not much pressure.

[AFC Leveller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7NfAHMh0g

Still going on about the 'spirit'

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

seemed a bit agitated towards the end. The journo rightfully asked him why his players keep letting him down but Wenger went on about "we live in a world of criticism" or some bullshit like that.

[Özim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7NfAHMh0g

Still going on about the 'spirit'

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

F*ck me that tapping on the keyboard is annoying!

[Özim]

He talks about their unquestionable commitment and spirit and says you have to give credit to the effort they put in, he seems to watch something different from everyone else, moreover when he's asked about being let down everytime by a squad that he believes in he deflects the question by saying we live in a world of criticism.

I just don't see any acceptance of the shortcomings anytime he speaks, why does he absolutely refuse to see we're just not up to it, especially after pretty much 9 years of the same thing, it's really puzzling.

It seems to me he feels his achievements in the last 9 years are success and that being genuine contenders until the end or actually winning something by beating the best means little.

[selassie]

Yes, pressure. Getting 4th is about as tough as it gets for him. We have the 4th highest wage bill in the league so we're just about doing enough but he is never under presure like other managers, he is never going to fight not to to lose his job, to spend properly or to challenge properly! no to mention that his tactics and lack of preparation.

he has gotten a far easier ride than anyone else and apart from cetain sections of the fans, everyone is respectfull towards him and his name is sung at every game so not much pressure.

Yep I agree with that. Admittedly his job role is a bit more varied than the Managers of our rivals, the bottom line is that I believe he gets cut a lot of slack and for reasons that are not to do with the team's "football performance". If Arsene was judged on a "results" only basis by the board, I do not believe they would cut him half as much slack.

[Letters]

You just have to look at him to see the pressure he's under, even if it's just from himself.
He's not under the kind of pressure a Chelsea manager is but I wouldn't want him to be.

[BlindFaith_8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss7NfAHMh0g

Still going on about the 'spirit'

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

The word 'Waffling' comes to mind. Same old interview, he talks the talk but cant walk the walk. Excuses excuses!! The spirit and the performance was unquestionable?? Are you haveing a giraffe? Stop protecting the damn players, they have too much protection which is why always under perform and never turn up for the not only the big games but when it really matters, they let themselves and the club down with their sub standard perfomances.

[Letters]

And people wonder why he didn't bother with this after the Chelsea game :lol:
Whatever he says he'd get hammered, if he says nothing he still gets hammered.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm gonna get hammered

[Özim]

And people wonder why he didn't bother with this after the Chelsea game :lol:
Whatever he says he'd get hammered, if he says nothing he still gets hammered.

He doesn't do himself any favours though, nothing he says actually reflects what's happening or makes anyone think he isn't in denial.

[Power n Glory]

That's the sort of stuff you should be learning at academy level though - the basics. I have no problem with seeing it at that level - it's the first team training methods that need updating...

It’s the basics for one aspect of the game. I wouldn’t want to see such one dimensional play implemented in our youth system, not to mention non-existent defensive training.