Alexis Sanchez (official).

[mastermind84]

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John Cunt is fake news

The fake news came from Arsenal

[Power n Glory]

then you pay for it.

I didn't say replacing Alexis' output would be cheap, I just don't believe he is hard to replace.

How much of a budget you think the new manager would have and what areas do you think we urgently need new players?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I get that you were putting the question to someone else but I'll have a crack at it

There is no reason a new man would be given any more to spend than Wenger is, the change will be in how the scouting is done and who is responsible for the transfer negotiations (director of football?)

It would also be remiss not to assess the current squad so that a manager will decide which of the players are redeemable or not, and I honestly believe that with the exception of a few....a better manager and coaching team can get far more out of our current crop than Wenger is getting.

The priority would of course be replacing Ozil and Sanchez (though maybe not necessarily with like for like)

Beyond that, I would prioritise defensive midfielder (ffs) left back and goalkeeper

[mastermind84]

How much of a budget you think the new manager would have and what areas do you think we urgently need new players?

If Alexis and Ozil are here or not, we need a new CF. Alexis is great there but I'm not sure it's great for the team. Get Mbappe. He should be our first priority above all else but also get a CF with him.

I like Mustafi but I don't think he a partner for Kos. While Kos is still in gawd mode, get Koulibaly or give Holding more time. We need a faster, ball playing Per-like defender.

We also need a new left back. Someone who can contribute to our attack. I really think our issues with Xhaka is down to Wenger not knowing the type of midfielder he is. I think a solid 3 could work with two athletic 8s. Wenger a new CM but I like Oxlade there and if a new manager believes in either Ramsey/Wilshere, then keep him. I even think we could try Chambers there.

I think Cech is close to done so either decide if you want Woj back, and he been really good for Roma, or identify a younger keeper to replace Cech. I still think Cech is good enough but we need someone to be getting matches somewhere down the line.


Don't let this club fool you, there is a lot of money that can be spent and has been spent the last few seasons. I think Arsenal are only behind City and United in transfer money spent the last 4 seasons.

[Power n Glory]

If Alexis and Ozil are here or not, we need a new CF. Alexis is great there but I'm not sure it's great for the team. Get Mbappe. He should be our first priority above all else but also get a CF with him.

I like Mustafi but I don't think he a partner for Kos. While Kos is still in gawd mode, get Koulibaly or give Holding more time. We need a faster, ball playing Per-like defender.

We also need a new left back. Someone who can contribute to our attack. I really think our issues with Xhaka is down to Wenger not knowing the type of midfielder he is. I think a solid 3 could work with two athletic 8s. Wenger a new CM but I like Oxlade there and if a new manager believes in either Ramsey/Wilshere, then keep him. I even think we could try Chambers there.

I think Cech is close to done so either decide if you want Woj back, and he been really good for Roma, or identify a younger keeper to replace Cech. I still think Cech is good enough but we need someone to be getting matches somewhere down the line.


Don't let this club fool you, there is a lot of money that can be spent and has been spent the last few seasons. I think Arsenal are only behind City and United in transfer money spent the last 4 seasons.

Even with our new sponsorship deals and TV money, we've barely spent over £100m in a transfer window. I can't see us spending £200m in one even if we have the money to spend. The money price tags touted for strikers these days is enough to even make the elite clubs rethink making a bid.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Even with our new sponsorship deals and TV money, we've barely spent over £100m in a transfer window. I can't see us spending £200m in one even if we have the money to spend. The money price tags touted for strikers these days is enough to even make the elite clubs rethink making a bid.

Rare commodity aren't they. Honestly can you remember a time where top goalscorers were at such a premium.

[mastermind84]

Even with our new sponsorship deals and TV money, we've barely spent over £100m in a transfer window. I can't see us spending £200m in one even if we have the money to spend. The money price tags touted for strikers these days is enough to even make the elite clubs rethink making a bid.
we will clear £400 million in revenues this year, or come close to it.

And we will be clearing out a few players. You all should really look at this club's finances, the money is there.

[Xhaka Can’t]

No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract No new contract

[Xhaka Can’t]

Have we touched the ball yet?

[Xhaka Can’t]

At last! A touch! Shot deflected for a corner!!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ospina on the ball!!!!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Walnut using his pace to get offside!

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm on the wrong fuckin thread!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Drunk GB. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

You're on the right thread. Alexis Sanchez is the whole story these days.

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkx05ifIu5Q

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's not too easily fall for the club and media hit pieces this time. We've had 3 players now who have all of a sudden turned rogue having had to carry the team for a prolonged period. These character flaws all tend to emerge when they say, fuck this, enough is enough, I'm off.

[mastermind84]

Let's not too easily fall for the club and media hit pieces this time. We've had 3 players now who have all of a sudden turned rogue having had to carry the team for a prolonged period. These character flaws all tend to emerge when they say, fuck this, enough is enough, I'm off.

This isnt a hit piece from the club unless they also control running statistics.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15118/10794349/alexis-sanchez8217s-running-and-sprint-stats-hint-at-arsenal-problem

[Marc Overmars]

This isnt a hit piece from the club unless they also control running statistics.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15118/10794349/alexis-sanchez8217s-running-and-sprint-stats-hint-at-arsenal-problem

Were you not one of those who advocated him to run less when playing up front? So he'd be in a position to receive the ball in promising areas more often.

Anyway, without Alexis' input this season we'd be a hell of a lot worse off.

[Niall_Quinn]

This isnt a hit piece from the club unless they also control running statistics.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15118/10794349/alexis-sanchez8217s-running-and-sprint-stats-hint-at-arsenal-problem

That's another classic hit piece. When you leave the goals, assists and chances created out I guess he's not that good and we don't need him. Seems Wenger knew after all. Except that people can see with their own eyes Alexis is the most important player we have, by just over a mile. It doesn't matter anyway I guess, because the player is gone. Arsenal's blatant orchestration is more of the same salt they usually rub into fans' wounds these days.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No NQ that's not fair, it's us the fans that are to blame that Wenger has nothing going on in his life outside the game so his only option is to cling on to dear life to a job that no one who isn't a masochist could get any pleasure from.

It's our fault that he married a tall ugly woman who he had to seperate from because he could no longer stand to have coitus with her.

It's our fault that he hasn't bothered taking up hobbies other than poking waitresses

We are a bunch of selfish cunts.

[mastermind84]

Were you not one of those who advocated him to run less when playing up front? So he'd be in a position to receive the ball in promising areas more often.

Anyway, without Alexis' input this season we'd be a hell of a lot worse off.
I advocated that he stop chasing the ball and run behind the defense more and make more off the ball runs. He not doing that and never has.

I keep saying, this why Barcelona sold him. They benched him for guys like Tello and Pedro because he wasn't doing anything away from the ball. His whole "work ethic" thing is misleading because you only see him doing it on camera.


That's another classic hit piece. When you leave the goals, assists and chances created out I guess he's not that good and we don't need him. Seems Wenger knew after all. Except that people can see with their own eyes Alexis is the most important player we have, by just over a mile. It doesn't matter anyway I guess, because the player is gone. Arsenal's blatant orchestration is more of the same salt they usually rub into fans' wounds these days.
Alexis is an important player, not as important as Koscielny but he important.

The hit piece came from stats and not Arsenal. He don't work as hard as many think and he acting a prick. He can be replaced, even if he costs a lot. Just don't want Wenger making that decision.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis is an important player, not as important as Koscielny but he important.

The hit piece came from stats and not Arsenal. He don't work as hard as many think and he acting a prick. He can be replaced, even if he costs a lot. Just don't want Wenger making that decision.

Sure, his time is up. He's checking out. But not for want of trying to make things happen. At least somebody tried, we should thank him for the novelty factor at least. Wenger has fucked this up beyond belief. He gets Ozil, good. He gets Alexis. Now we're talking. And then he stops. Again. Except he doesn't just stop, he blows 90 mill in a panic when he could have used that money, all of it if need be, to get the next piece in place - the top tier striker. And of course he should have been in for Vidal a few years back if we really wanted to complete the puzzle to a level where we could compete. I wonder what was said to Ozil and Alexis to get them through the door in the first place? That's where I'd start looking to try and understand the current situation. And yes, Alexis CAN be replaced, but he WON'T be. Or what they'll do is trade Ozil and Alexis out for one big player like Reus, if he's fool enough to come here having seen what's happened with our current stars.

But all that aside, what I'm saying is one week Alexis is the best thing since sliced bread. Then something happens behind the scenes and all of a sudden the media is in full 180 and Alexis is not all that. Tell me it's not Arsenal pulling those strings. It's another demonstration of Wenger's lack of ability where it really matters. He's a guy that burns bridges rather than mends boats. Plenty of players in the past have suffered a similar fate when they didn't bow suitably low to this guy. I'm not saying players should be permitted to run around the place calling the shots in general. But with Wenger we have a special case. If it's not going to be Alexis who calls this club out for the bullshit unfolding season after season then who? Kroenke? Gazidis? Sir Chips? Steve Bould? Certainly not Wenger himself. Listen to the guy today, on the back of the latest hiding, everything is fine, we have a great team, we're all determined, we focus on the next game... Business as usual. Reality doesn't touch the guy. He frustrates the fuck out of me. I wonder what it'd be like if he was my boss. Not pretty I imagine.

[mastermind84]

Sure, his time is up. He's checking out. But not for want of trying to make things happen. At least somebody tried, we should thank him for the novelty factor at least. Wenger has fucked this up beyond belief. He gets Ozil, good. He gets Alexis. Now we're talking. And then he stops. Again. Except he doesn't just stop, he blows 90 mill in a panic when he could have used that money, all of it if need be, to get the next piece in place - the top tier striker. And of course he should have been in for Vidal a few years back if we really wanted to complete the puzzle to a level where we could compete. I wonder what was said to Ozil and Alexis to get them through the door in the first place? That's where I'd start looking to try and understand the current situation. And yes, Alexis CAN be replaced, but he WON'T be. Or what they'll do is trade Ozil and Alexis out for one big player like Reus, if he's fool enough to come here having seen what's happened with our current stars.

But all that aside, what I'm saying is one week Alexis is the best thing since sliced bread. Then something happens behind the scenes and all of a sudden the media is in full 180 and Alexis is not all that. Tell me it's not Arsenal pulling those strings. It's another demonstration of Wenger's lack of ability where it really matters. He's a guy that burns bridges rather than mends boats. Plenty of players in the past have suffered a similar fate when they didn't bow suitably low to this guy. I'm not saying players should be permitted to run around the place calling the shots in general. But with Wenger we have a special case. If it's not going to be Alexis who calls this club out for the bullshit unfolding season after season then who? Kroenke? Gazidis? Sir Chips? Steve Bould? Certainly not Wenger himself. Listen to the guy today, on the back of the latest hiding, everything is fine, we have a great team, we're all determined, we focus on the next game... Business as usual. Reality doesn't touch the guy. He frustrates the fuck out of me. I wonder what it'd be like if he was my boss. Not pretty I imagine.

I agree that Arsenal's PR team is running a narrative. Not denying that one bit. I have not been fully convinced by Alexis that's all. My posts on this forum show that, so I am only speaking for me. The Arsenal PR team is the Arsenal PR team, and they are doing a lot of messy things which tehy have done in the past. That article I posted was germinated from them, but its statistics.


IDK why any big player would come to Wenger's Arsenal now going forward. He has no idea how to create a team for today's football and he wasted the primes of Ozil and Sanchez, and wasted the potential of many others.

[Marc Overmars]

Horrific rumour doing the rounds today that Alexis is Chelsea's top transfer target. Particularly if they lose Hazard to Madrid.

Christ, can you imagine? :sick:

[Niall_Quinn]

Horrific rumour doing the rounds today that Alexis is Chelsea's top transfer target. Particularly if they lose Hazard to Madrid.

Christ, can you imagine? :sick:

Even more horrific rumour that if they put 50mill down we'll take it. That despite the club saying he's going abroad. I wonder did Arsenal put this out themselves? So we'll be relieved instead of outraged when he goes to PSG? Regardless, everyone is now speaking in terms of where, not if. So looks like we're one world class player down and one to go, in our world class stadium where we're supposed to be competing with Bayern.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If PSG bid £45,000,000 and the chavs bid £45,000,001, he'll be at the Bridge next season.

[selassie]

He'll go to Chelsea, we've sold to our so called rivals before we will do it again. This summer is going to be horrific.

[Thierrymon]

He is gone, and almost certainly to Chelsea. If Alexis goes to Chelsea and Wenger stays things are going to get hostile.

[Niall_Quinn]

'I want to stay in the city and the team, but in a team that wins, that has a winning mentality.
'I am 28, I still have a lot in front of me. I am a player who looks after himself a lot.'

Are you listening Wenger and Gazidis and... no, of course you aren't listening, Stan.

When your star player has to remind you why we even play the game that's a sorry state of affairs.

Where is this board and this manager? Why haven't they laid out their plans for success so the players and the fans can get on board and help the club achieve it? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

Arsenal FC is more like MI5 than a football club. Secrets, the closed shop, exclusivity, hidden agendas.

If the goal of these bastards is to milk the club for personal gain then I guess they won't come out and say that. In such a case, secrets serve them. But in the absence of any vision for what we are trying to achieve then people will assume that goals are nefarious. And if we have a board and a manager working against the interests of the players and the fans then it's time for that board and that manager to fuck right off. No?


I want to stay in the city and the team, but in a team that wins, that has a winning mentality.

Somebody needs to come out and explain why that shirt should be red instead of blue. No, Alexis is not bigger than Arsenal, but he's a big player and if we want big players at this club so we can achieve the success we want to see then the club needs to do something to encourage these players to arrive and then stay.

Right now, what are they doing? Not enough. Not what it takes to win. This needs to be corrected and fast. And yet, not a peep. All we get is Wenger licking his lips and smiling, "Maybe I'll stay, maybe I won't, but I'll decide."

Bullshit! That's not even your job, fucker!

DO YOUR JOB!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I hope we do sell Sanchez to Chelsea

I think if Wenger signs himself up for a two year deal on top of that, and we don't finish 4th. I think that would actually be breaking point and the fan base would be open revolt.

[dostoy]

I hope Alexis stays at Arsenal and signs a new deal.

I feel sorry for him because he is playing with a lot of losers at the moment.

If Wenger leaves, the new manager might convince him to stay.

[Globalgunner]

I hope Alexis stays at Arsenal and signs a new deal.

I feel sorry for him because he is playing with a lot of losers at the moment.

If Wenger leaves, the new manager might convince him to stay.

Depends on the new manager. Dont think Sanchez will be too impressed with Eddie Howe or Some Frenchman from JLeague

[rodders]

I don't think many would be impressed with Eddie Howe

[Ernesto]

I hope we do sell Sanchez to Chelsea

I think if Wenger signs himself up for a two year deal on top of that, and we don't finish 4th. I think that would actually be breaking point and the fan base would be open revolt.

I think you're on your own in that respect

[Niall_Quinn]

I think you're on your own in that respect

Nah, I think Alexis agrees with him. And probably the whole Arsenal board. And Ty.

So there are a few.

[Penguin]

I hope we do sell Sanchez to Chelsea

I think if Wenger signs himself up for a two year deal on top of that, and we don't finish 4th. I think that would actually be breaking point and the fan base would be open revolt.

People thought the same when we sold RVP to United.

[Marc Overmars]

People thought the same when we sold RVP to United.

People consoled themselves with the money excuse back then.

Alexis leaving would almost certainly be down to under achievement.

[Power n Glory]

People thought the same when we sold RVP to United.

The fans directed all anger at RVP rather than the club and manager. Great PR spin. They won't be able to pull the same stunt this time and I doubt we'd have to see the club sell Sanchez to Chelsea to see an open revolt. If Wenger signs a new deal we'll see that happen. Heck, let him take a beating tomorrow and we may see it early.

[AFC Leveller]

I bet it must be difficult firing Arsene Wenger, the guy is in denial and spin doctor that the owner/board would probably overturn their decision and offer him a new contract.

He's not the type to admit his mistakes or take criticism at face value and the board (who we know have no balls) have to be strong with their decision.

[Özim]

The smart money would be on him leaving this summer, whenever thinks a player wants to stay he leaves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39525351

[Marc Overmars]

"If terms can be agreed"

I hope we are not pricing ourselves out of keeping him.

[rodders]

We normally do, if not it would have been sorted by now.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The problem as i can see it is two fold, whatever qualms Sanchez has with Wenger currently...a sufficient offer will keep him at the club. However an offer he would consider sufficient would be in excess of what Wenger earns and Wenger will not allow that.

[GP]

Simple solution, a well deserved raise for Mr Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

Simple solution, a well deserved raise for Mr Wenger.

Yep - I'll get the gallows, you get the rope.

[GP]

Kinky

[AFC Leveller]

Wenger is liar so I don't trust a word he says. When a top player doesn't agree a new de they usually leave. When was the last time a big name player wanted our and the club convinced them to sign on? There was a time in 2014 when we were struggling to keep Theo Walcott ffs.

[Letters]

The smart money would be on him leaving this summer, whenever thinks a player wants to stay he leaves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39525351

I saw something on FB with a similar message about 6 years ago (or whenever it was) about RvP :lol:
:ilt:

[Niall_Quinn]

Nothing Wenger says can be trusted. I don't even believe his real name is Wenger, I bet he lied about that too.

[GP]

His real name is Francois Pisswhistle

[Niall_Quinn]

His real name is Francois Pisswhistle

Just as I thought.

Pisswhistle OUT!

[selassie]

I can only guess that Alexis has been stuck out on the wing as some kind of punishment because he is leaving? I don't understand why he's no longer in the middle? What has he done so wrong? Even yesterday Walcott swapped positions with Welbeck and went Central.

[Marc Overmars]

Removing Alexis as the central striker is the most baffling decision made this season by the bumbling idiot.

It was working a treat during the first half of the season, we thought we finally solved the striker conundrum.

Then he started playing Giroud. Now it's Welbeck, the modern day Heskey.

The strangest thing amongst this is that Lucas still never got a chance when he was fit.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger really is an idiot. 10 plus years of having the same problem against certain set ups and despite having the right player and seeing how to solve that problem, he still pulls one out the bag by playing Alexis wide.

[selassie]

Removing Alexis as the central striker is the most baffling decision made this season by the bumbling idiot.

It was working a treat during the first half of the season, we thought we finally solved the striker conundrum.

Then he started playing Giroud. Now it's Welbeck, the modern day Heskey.

The strangest thing amongst this is that Lucas still never got a chance when he was fit.

Yep, it beggars belief. No doubt Wenger or his Laptop with that crappy Stat DNA program has some wacky reason to why Alexis has been moved from the Centre.

[selassie]

Wenger really is an idiot. 10 plus years of having the same problem against certain set ups and despite having the right player and seeing how to solve that problem, he still pulls one out the bag by playing Alexis wide.

Yep. I can only assume that his ego is preventing him from moving Alexis back in the centre.

[Power n Glory]

Yep. I can only assume that his ego is preventing him from moving Alexis back in the centre.

That makes him petty and stupid.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Stupid decision but not sure it's making a difference. We lost 3-0 last night, these players are not trying or playing for him anymore.
Players like Giroud coming out and saying they support him doesn't mean he hasn't lost the dressing room.

Sky sports is usually a load of shit, but think Carragher had it spot on when he said it was like the Chelsea players not playing for Mourinho back in 2015

That Wenger should go is so obvious it barely merits mentioning, but these players are utter cunts. Want to be in a team of winners? How about putting some actual fucking effort in. Yes bad tactics and bad match preparation don't help but you'd have to be blind to not see the lack of effort

[GP]

Help us Obi-Wan Allegri, you're our only hope.

[selassie]

Stupid decision but not sure it's making a difference. We lost 3-0 last night, these players are not trying or playing for him anymore.
Players like Giroud coming out and saying they support him doesn't mean he hasn't lost the dressing room.

Sky sports is usually a load of shit, but think Carragher had it spot on when he said it was like the Chelsea players not playing for Mourinho back in 2015

That Wenger should go is so obvious it barely merits mentioning, but these players are utter cunts. Want to be in a team of winners? How about putting some actual fucking effort in. Yes bad tactics and bad match preparation don't help but you'd have to be blind to not see the lack of effort

Oh I agree. Wenger has definitely lost the dressing room too, there was no passion or pride in that performance yesterday and it's been like this for a good few weeks now. I think there is definitely some kind of divide in the team too, Theo mentioned something about the infighting needing to stop a few weeks back.

[Letters]

I've thought previous times that Wenger had lost them but other times we've always ended up going on a run of form.
It feels different this time, they're not playing for Wenger or each other.

[GP]

I've thought previous times that Wenger had lost them but other times we've always ended up going on a run of form.
It feels different this time, they're not playing for Wenger or each other.

It's far worse than it's ever been. We're past the tipping point now, there's no coming back from this.

the club need to make a statement today. the fans deserve to know what's happening.
There's never been such ill feeling, it's really sad and depressing.

[KSE Comedy Club]

What do they owe us 'silly fans' .......

[KSE Comedy Club]

I have to say, watching the game last night really was a shameful and embarrassing experience.

I felt all sense of feeling and pride disappear from me for the club I love.

Its a really sad state of affairs, I've never felt this way about Arsenal before.....:shrug:

[Letters]

There were times under Graham when it was pretty bloody awful and I wondered when the next win (even next goal sometimes) was coming from but even then you felt that for a big game here and there they could raise it. Not now.
It really is pathetic and only Wenger going is the only way things will start to change - even then with our board I'm not sure how much change it will effect but it's a start.
And those claiming 20:20 foresight, I don't believe any of them really thought we'd be THIS bad this year.

[Power n Glory]

We had a bright start but after the first goal and seeing how hard it was to break down Sam's team, I wouldn't be surprised if it looked like the team had given up. But I highly doubt it started that way because we came off the back of a 3-0 victory against West Ham.

[Letters]

There is no-one out there. Not one person. Who seems to be able to get us going again when things go against us. We have no captain. I mean, Walcott. :lol: Really?
Our problems run deeper than that of course but it is an issue which needs addressing IMO.

[Marc Overmars]

The players are an embarrassment. The Wenger situation has tainted this season for sure but they really need to be called out now as well. Chants of "you're not fit to wear the shirt" were long overdue.

These players desperately need to hear a new voice to whip them into shape. No matter what Wenger says, his contract situation has ruined this season and it would be naive to think the team haven't been affected by it.

[Letters]

:good: Pretty much.

[Power n Glory]

There is no-one out there. Not one person. Who seems to be able to get us going again when things go against us. We have no captain. I mean, Walcott. :lol: Really?
Our problems run deeper than that of course but it is an issue which needs addressing IMO.

Alexis is that one player and shifting him out to the left blunts his influence. We're back to seeing the same sort form we saw from him last season when struggling.

[Letters]

Alexis is the one player who definitely wants to win. I'm sure others too at some level and for various reasons they've just given up.
But while Alexis can win a game on his own when playing well and in the right position, he doesn't seem to be able to stop the others from playing like *****.

[Power n Glory]

Alexis is the one player who definitely wants to win. I'm sure others too at some level and for various reasons they've just given up.
But while Alexis can win a game on his own when playing well and in the right position, he doesn't seem to be able to stop the others from playing like *****.

I honestly think we'd have seen a different outcome if we'd have gotten that first goal. From what I saw, it didn't look like we went out there to get rolled over.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I honestly think we'd have seen a different outcome if we'd have gotten that first goal. From what I saw, it didn't look like we went out there to get rolled over.

You're probably right. But the problem is the reaction to going a goal down

We have been a long time under Wenger, the Goldilocks team everything has to be right for us. We weren't playing badly before 1-0 but we were living dangerously in defence.

[selassie]

It's far worse than it's ever been. We're past the tipping point now, there's no coming back from this.

the club need to make a statement today. the fans deserve to know what's happening.
There's never been such ill feeling, it's really sad and depressing.

Yep, how I see things too. It's actually becoming damaging now.

[Letters]

Exactly, I agree if we'd got the first goal we'd probably have won but this lot are so fragile, their heads go down so quickly when things don't go our way and there is no reaction from anyone.
You can't win games with any consistency when the mentality is that fragile, back in the day I was never worried when we went 1-0 down as I always believed we could and would come back. Not now.

[KSE Comedy Club]

It was clear to me after the first 10 mins that we weren't going to achieve a lot in the game. We started off by passing backwards, then sideways, then sideways, then back...... over and over.
As soon as Palace got the ball they sprinted towards goal and had a dig.

There has been a few comments from people I know today and from the commentary last night about how to break teams down that sit deep, 11 men behind the ball, etc, but the fact is that in most cases, those teams can be broken down with a fast counter attack.

The reason they are able to get 11 men back behind the ball is that we spend so fucking long passing the ball around our own half that we go nowhere and gain no ground against our opposition.... its pointless football. I said last night that we offered no attacking threat what so ever - and the stats back that up 100%.

There were at least 3 instances where we had a little break and could've made a run at palace's goal, but on all three occasions, we stopped and looked to pass off to the wing or across midfield.
There was no pride, no energy, no sense of urgency about anything the players did last night.

Only one team turned up wanting to play a game of football.
The others were at the training ground practicing their triangle passing.

And once again, Wenget only gets up to moan at the fourth official when we are losing.

So sick of it all :sulk: :angry: :banghead: :sick: :censored: :blink: :faint: :upset: :rose: :ilt:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This definitely feels different, it's always been that Wenger has never failed too hard there is a certain level we fall to and bottom out. Normally because he is a reactive and not a proactive manager and never starts to address the difficulties until it's already too late.

I don't think he knows how to arrest what's going on any more, he has a lot of hubris so he still believes he can but it's like a man trapped in the desert who believes a rainfall will miraculously appear and save him.

[Niall_Quinn]

We had a bright start but after the first goal and seeing how hard it was to break down Sam's team, I wouldn't be surprised if it looked like the team had given up. But I highly doubt it started that way because we came off the back of a 3-0 victory against West Ham.

I don't know all the coaches and managers in the game, but Wenger, for sure, is down there with the very worst of them in terms of being able to deploy tactics on a football pitch, respond to a change in tactics by the opposition and, maybe he's the worst ever at this, motivating a group of players to win. Fat Sam toyed with him yesterday and then took the piss out of him with a big grin on his face afterwards. Where's Wenger's pride FFS? Either get even or get out, but don't sit there taking beating after beating and grinning while piss is hitting your face. What's he trying to prove by humiliating himself and the club in this manner?

Anyway, last time out against West Ham Alexis and Ozil, Theo and Elneny started to find a small groove, a glimmer of form, a hint of confidence. Yes, against a poor West Ham but against a PL team nonetheless and we haven't seen any of that for months. Wenger snuffed it out. At the tail end of a dismal season it's still business as usual for the idiot. We must rest players for the next game, player X's energy levels are in the amber zone, we must give Ramsey a game, I must show them all that Giroud is not second rate... Ozil and Alexis would have looked at that and thought, never mind, just a few more games to go and then off to a real club.

Wenger would be more effective doing NOTHING. Don't even turn up to the games. Don't turn up during the week. Leave the players alone. We'd get better performances and better results, I'm certain of it. Leaders would emerge to fill the universe sized vacuum left by Wenger's ego and control freakishness. If he insists on staying then it should be on the condition he's not allowed anywhere near the club. I'd be okay with that. It's not ideal, but he'd get his money and the players would be a whole lot better off.

[Niall_Quinn]

There were times under Graham when it was pretty bloody awful and I wondered when the next win (even next goal sometimes) was coming from but even then you felt that for a big game here and there they could raise it. Not now.
It really is pathetic and only Wenger going is the only way things will start to change - even then with our board I'm not sure how much change it will effect but it's a start.
And those claiming 20:20 foresight, I don't believe any of them really thought we'd be THIS bad this year.

We had some rough times, particularly under Terry Neill. But it always felt like a football club, through thick and thin. Not now. This doesn't feel like a football club. It feels like something else. Its purpose is not to win, that's for sure. Years ago they could have demonstrated they had some interest in winning, but behind the scenes it has been about something else. Not football. In some respects any manager would have struggled under such an anti-footballing regime. But the fact it has been Wenger there, this messiah of sustainability with his fanatical views on how the game should be, right or wrong, has compounded the disaster and accelerated our transition from a football club to a mortgageable balance sheet asset. That's what we are, a financial vehicle run by an economist and owned by a vampire squid.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is no-one out there. Not one person. Who seems to be able to get us going again when things go against us. We have no captain. I mean, Walcott. :lol: Really?
Our problems run deeper than that of course but it is an issue which needs addressing IMO.

Theo was doing okay up until yesterday. He'd started to show some fight and was getting involved in games. Yesterday he checked out again. There reaches a point where even millionaire players are going to wonder what the point is. And what is the point? 4th place trophies? So we can get creamed next season in the last 16 of the CL with millions watching? Must be pretty fucking embarrassing to be involved with. When you have a fool that urges you to be average so we can achieve the next humiliating pay day. Yes, players should be able to motivate themselves and they should play for the shirt. But this has been going on for a long time now and when the shitty owners come out an voice their approval then what can be done. Where are you going to find that motivation to rise above average when average is the goal that has been set? I'm not excusing the players but in this place, try, don't try, it doesn't make a difference and the board and the manager won't notice anyway. You're just as likely to be dropped for a good performance under this manager.

[AFC Leveller]

I don't think it's down to the players not playing for the manager anymore. I think there is obviously a divide between the players, the mentality is basically one of "we don't give a fuck about each other" and when you have Walcott as captain it speaks volumes.

It is a desperately sad situation and the lack of action from the board is alarmingly bad. The divide is across all levels from fans to squad to board level and the uncertainty around the managers future is killing it off.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis is that one player and shifting him out to the left blunts his influence. We're back to seeing the same sort form we saw from him last season when struggling.

Alexis was on for the Golden Boot. Did you really expect Wenger not to fuck that up? Hell, he watches out for players on 2 goals so he can yank them and prevent the hat trick. He's an arrogant contrarian and a moron.

[Niall_Quinn]

It was clear to me after the first 10 mins that we weren't going to achieve a lot in the game. We started off by passing backwards, then sideways, then sideways, then back...... over and over.
As soon as Palace got the ball they sprinted towards goal and had a dig.

There has been a few comments from people I know today and from the commentary last night about how to break teams down that sit deep, 11 men behind the ball, etc, but the fact is that in most cases, those teams can be broken down with a fast counter attack.

The reason they are able to get 11 men back behind the ball is that we spend so fucking long passing the ball around our own half that we go nowhere and gain no ground against our opposition.... its pointless football. I said last night that we offered no attacking threat what so ever - and the stats back that up 100%.

There were at least 3 instances where we had a little break and could've made a run at palace's goal, but on all three occasions, we stopped and looked to pass off to the wing or across midfield.
There was no pride, no energy, no sense of urgency about anything the players did last night.

Only one team turned up wanting to play a game of football.
The others were at the training ground practicing their triangle passing.

And once again, Wenget only gets up to moan at the fourth official when we are losing.

So sick of it all :sulk: :angry: :banghead: :sick: :censored: :blink: :faint: :upset: :rose: :ilt:

Wenger will win the Possession Cup. He my miss out on the coveted Top 4 World Champions Super Trophy but we have extended our dominance in the Possession Cup. He mentioned it again yesterday, after our thrilling display of possession football. We had 72% possession, the highest in the league this season.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't think it's down to the players not playing for the manager anymore. I think there is obviously a divide between the players, the mentality is basically one of "we don't give a fuck about each other" and when you have Walcott as captain it speaks volumes.

It is a desperately sad situation and the lack of action from the board is alarmingly bad. The divide is across all levels from fans to squad to board level and the uncertainty around the managers future is killing it off.

The manager is holding the club at his mercy. How can we expect any kind of comradery from the players when the manager has set such a pathetic example. He's dicking around and so are they.

[AFC Leveller]

The manager is holding the club at his mercy. How can we expect any kind of comradery from the players when the manager has set such a pathetic example. He's dicking around and so are they.

He's being selfish as he clearly wants to announce he is staying but is waiting for a couple of wins to do so. Does he think we are a couple of wins away from forgetting all the mess that's going on? He is deluded if he thinks that.

[GP]

I'm certain that they were waiting for a run of wins to announce the new contract. Problem is, we're not capable of putting a run together right now.

If he stays on now then we might as well just give up.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wenger will win the Possession Cup. He my miss out on the coveted Top 4 World Champions Super Trophy but we have extended our dominance in the Possession Cup. He mentioned it again yesterday, after our thrilling display of possession football. We had 72% possession, the highest in the league this season.

This is true.

Its all about the possession with him. The theory is sound - however, Wengimp seems to have rubbed out the part of the equation that says that maintaining possession of the ball can win you a game after you have actually scored - with some kind of cushion.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's being selfish as he clearly wants to announce he is staying but is waiting for a couple of wins to do so. Does he think we are a couple of wins away from forgetting all the mess that's going on? He is deluded if he thinks that.

He won't see it as selfishness, he'll view it as him being the only guy in possession of all the facts and him being this great, experienced, 20K subs made coach who speaks and holds the world in thrall. You can see this as he grins away when exasperated pundits ask him about his plans. The great man denies them access to that privileged information, but soon, soon they will know. At the right time, at a time of The Wenger's choosing. Perhaps he will make his announcement from atop the mountains? Perhaps his new contract will be carried down the mountainside in a golden ark.

It might even be fair to accept that a manger is likely to be in a better position to know and judge these things, and certainly the board should be. But Wenger has one small problem, a decade of these nods and winks and grins and promises trailing behind him in the ruins of successive seasons. Collapsed hopes and ambitions strewn across the battlefields back through squad era after squad era. Nobody except Ty believes his bullshit any more. The only great Wenger secret yet to be revealed is whether he's deluded or whether he's been part of this transition from football club to private bank. Has he convinced himself before trying to convince us, or has he been just flat out lying?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I have copied and pasted a lot of the online gooner articles onto here as they are pretty insightful and well written

Their polling of fans has produced the following

Should Wenger stay beyond the current season

13% - yes

43% - No but no protests

44% - No and yes to protests

I think this is a fairly good summation of how the fans break down, 87% of fans want him to go......but half respect him too much to want him hounded out. I don't think the 44% want him hounded out either in truth, but they believe the man is too arrogant to recognise himself that he can't hack it any more.

I doubt even Zim would want Wenger hounded out if he genuinely believed Wenger would go of his own accord.

Been re watching the Sopranos lately as I love the show genuinely think it's the best American tv show ever made. I feel at the moment a bit like Tony when he realises Pussy is wearing a wire and finally confronts him saying "why are you making me do this, you miserable fuck?"

Doesn't want to kill one of his closest friends, but he knows Pussy has brought it on himself

[Power n Glory]

Theo was doing okay up until yesterday. He'd started to show some fight and was getting involved in games. Yesterday he checked out again. There reaches a point where even millionaire players are going to wonder what the point is. And what is the point? 4th place trophies? So we can get creamed next season in the last 16 of the CL with millions watching? Must be pretty fucking embarrassing to be involved with. When you have a fool that urges you to be average so we can achieve the next humiliating pay day. Yes, players should be able to motivate themselves and they should play for the shirt. But this has been going on for a long time now and when the shitty owners come out an voice their approval then what can be done. Where are you going to find that motivation to rise above average when average is the goal that has been set? I'm not excusing the players but in this place, try, don't try, it doesn't make a difference and the board and the manager won't notice anyway. You're just as likely to be dropped for a good performance under this manager.

Theo's a limited player and will be judged on goals. Similar to the Podolski conundrum, certain games just won't suit Theo if the rest of the team aren't ticking. You won't notice he's in the game unless he's scoring goals, popping off shots or has a moment where he makes a rash challenge or gippy with an opposition player as seen recently. He should have been our Defoe but we've turned him into a non dribbling wide forward that hardly dribbles or crosses. I don't fault his mentality but he needs his head testing for staying under this manager this long. Must be the money.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Must be the money.

What's he on a week.....140k or something like that?......would he get that anywhere else bar Chelsea or city?....so yes i think that would be a sensible conclusion

Yeah he's pretty limited, i think we all probably swore at our television sets when Alan Hansen called him someone lacking a footballing brain but unfortunately Hansen was right.

Though to be fair even around at that time, I admitted to United fans that he had been over hyped and that he was a good not a great player.

[selassie]

What's he on a week.....140k or something like that?......would he get that anywhere else bar Chelsea or city?....so yes i think that would be a sensible conclusion

Yeah he's pretty limited, i think we all probably swore at our television sets when Alan Hansen called him someone lacking a footballing brain but unfortunately Hansen was right.

Though to be fair even around at that time, I admitted to United fans that he had been over hyped and that he was a good not a great player.

The fact that Theo is captain tells us everything we need to know about this "Rotten Regime". Theo Walcott captain of Arsenal? Just think about that and let it sink in.

Theo can't even make the England squad.

[Power n Glory]

The fact that Theo is captain tells us everything we need to know about this "Rotten Regime". Theo Walcott captain of Arsenal? Just think about that and let it sink in.

Theo can't even make the England squad.

Harsh on Theo. He was captain when we beat West Ham and to be honest, out of all the players available, he's the only one with a connection to old Arsena values and agree with Arsene about that being the priority when it comes to being made captain. He's shown some fight over the last couple of months. More so than others and despite his limitations, it counts for something. I still remember the last game I saw where Theo got into it Tom Huddlestone (I think) and watching the slow reaction from his teammates to actually back him up whilst involved in a bit of a scuffle with a much bigger player. We had to scream to this own teammates to 'back him up'. Spineless.

There weren't many obvious choices and if anyone else had worn the armband and we still lost, you can still run with a story that makes them the wrong choice.

Sanchez - Great heart and desire but has to sign a contract and no idea where he stands with the rest of his teammates.
Ozil - Doesn't turn up for training, yet alone games.
Welbeck - Not in a million. Ex Utd player and probably has more of a 'nice lad' image than Theo.
Xhaka - First season here.
Elneny - Love him too but not here long enough or even a starter.
Monreal - No.
Gabriel - Doesn't speak English.
Mustafi - No. Not here long enough.
Bellerin - Too young and not here long enough.
Martinez - No. ^^^

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Harsh on Theo. He was captain when we beat West Ham and to be honest, out of all the players available, he's the only one with a connection to old Arsena values and agree with Arsene about that being the priority when it comes to being made captain. He's shown some fight over the last couple of months. More so than others and despite his limitations, it counts for something. I still remember the last game I saw where Theo got into it Tom Huddlestone (I think) and watching the slow reaction from his teammates to actually back him up whilst involved in a bit of a scuffle with a much bigger player. We had to scream to this own teammates to 'back him up'. Spineless.

There weren't many obvious choices and if anyone else had worn the armband and we still lost, you can still run with a story that makes them the wrong choice.

Sanchez - Great heart and desire but has to sign a contract and no idea where he stands with the rest of his teammates.
Ozil - Doesn't turn up for training, yet alone games.
Welbeck - Not in a million. Ex Utd player and probably has more of a 'nice lad' image than Theo.
Xhaka - First season here.
Elneny - Love him too but not here long enough or even a starter.
Monreal - No.
Gabriel - Doesn't speak English.
Mustafi - No. Not here long enough.
Bellerin - Too young and not here long enough.
Martinez - No. ^^^

Raises a larger point of lack of leaders on the pitch, Walcott by logical deduction obvious choice for captain as you say but he is absolutely no leader.

[Marc Overmars]

Walcott is about as far from a leader as possible, regardless of his tenure at the club.

Even when he's all wound up and starting on other players, you can't help but think 'Aww, bless him'.

[Power n Glory]

Walcott is about as far from a leader as possible, regardless of his tenure at the club.

Even when he's all wound up and starting on other players, you can't help but think 'Aww, bless him'.

I think people get carried away by stature and performance. Walcott isn't the ideal but I think we have some serious cowards in our squad. Our current captain, Kos, quite possibly the worst captain we've had at Arsenal. He's silent throughout the match, the first to have his hands on hips and head drop when we concede, doesn't organise, doesn't instruct... I still won't forget how he was bullied by Costa and despite and when Gabriel got involved, Kos wasn't paying attention and kept his distance. Worst candidate for captain by a long shot in my books.

[selassie]

Harsh on Theo. He was captain when we beat West Ham and to be honest, out of all the players available, he's the only one with a connection to old Arsena values and agree with Arsene about that being the priority when it comes to being made captain. He's shown some fight over the last couple of months. More so than others and despite his limitations, it counts for something. I still remember the last game I saw where Theo got into it Tom Huddlestone (I think) and watching the slow reaction from his teammates to actually back him up whilst involved in a bit of a scuffle with a much bigger player. We had to scream to this own teammates to 'back him up'. Spineless.

There weren't many obvious choices and if anyone else had worn the armband and we still lost, you can still run with a story that makes them the wrong choice.

Sanchez - Great heart and desire but has to sign a contract and no idea where he stands with the rest of his teammates.
Ozil - Doesn't turn up for training, yet alone games.
Welbeck - Not in a million. Ex Utd player and probably has more of a 'nice lad' image than Theo.
Xhaka - First season here.
Elneny - Love him too but not here long enough or even a starter.
Monreal - No.
Gabriel - Doesn't speak English.
Mustafi - No. Not here long enough.
Bellerin - Too young and not here long enough.
Martinez - No. ^^^

Can't argue with any of that. My post wasn't so much an attack of Theo but more an attack of the regime.

As others have stated including yourself on your last post, we have nobody in the squad who is bonafide captain material, nobody to lift up heads when the going gets tough.

[Marc Overmars]

The ever reliable Sky Sources think City are front runners for Alexis this summer.

[selassie]

The ever reliable Sky Sources think City are front runners for Alexis this summer.

We will have no problem selling him to them if they meet our valuation.

[Niall_Quinn]

Crazy reports going around today we have offered Alexis 300K per week to stay.

Sounds true to me, so please buy a season ticket.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger on the rumoured Alexis contract offer.


'You have many different opinions there,' he said.

'Some people tell me 'just give him what he wants', but then you cannot respect anymore any wages structure and you put the club in trouble as well.

'That is why you have to make the decision in an objective way. Always the club has to be the priority.

'I understand as well that top players is a big priority but, at the end of the day, even for important players you can only pay as much as you can afford.

'We must accept that also modern life has changed a little bit and we always had a wage schedule that was respected, but players earn so much money now that the cases have become much more individual than global.'

'First of all, I cannot confirm that we have offered that,' he said.

'Secondly, we will do as always. We have to consider our financial potential to sustain the wages for the whole squad.

'What is for sure is that what is paid per week today was 20 years ago per year. Will that continue to go up? I don't know. I'm always tempted to say no but I was wrong on that front.

Why doesn't he poke his nose out and let the club get on with it? Why is he making comments about the wage structure? What business of his is that? And even if he is controlling such things, which would be another indicator of how wrecked this club is if true, then wouldn't it be better for him to keep his fat gob shut anyway? He wants to shoot his mouth off about he has no business talking about, but he doesn't want to talk about his own contract and his own offer. Typical Wenger hypocrisy. Typical Wenger arrogance.

[dostoy]

If Alexis has any sense he will leave this shithole club even if they offer 500k a week.

He will never win anything here with Wenger in charge.

I have been saying that since the old Goonersweb, I don't count 2 consolation shit cups.

[AFC Leveller]

300k a week is too much for a player unless it's Messi or Ronaldo. I think Alexis should leave unless we get rid of Wenger and get a proper manager in. If Wenger stays then I honestly don't see what difference Alexis or Ozil would make, the system in place nullifies any threat they pose.

also, another clear indication that wenger is staying judging by his comments on about Sanchez and wages. He has way too much control to be able to leave.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

We will be a whole lot worse without them though....

[Globalgunner]

The 300k per week may either be an offer from the club or a demand by Sanchez. Either way it makes no difference. City or Chelsea will easily match that figure. If Sanchez really wants to win stuff, he will leave. If he takes the money knowing that Wenger stays we will be worse off as he will cruise through the years in the new contract, not giving a shit, like the rest of them.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger on the rumoured Alexis contract offer.



Why doesn't he poke his nose out and let the club get on with it? Why is he making comments about the wage structure? What business of his is that? And even if he is controlling such things, which would be another indicator of how wrecked this club is if true, then wouldn't it be better for him to keep his fat gob shut anyway? He wants to shoot his mouth off about he has no business talking about, but he doesn't want to talk about his own contract and his own offer. Typical Wenger hypocrisy. Typical Wenger arrogance.

If "always the club has to be the priority" why doesn't he fuck the fuck off?

[Letters]

If Alexis has any sense he will leave this shithole club even if they offer 500k a week.

He will never win anything here with Wenger in charge.

I have been saying that since the old Goonersweb, I don't count 2 consolation shit cups.

Reading a book (partly) about cognitive dissonance right now and this is a textbook example of it.
I'm sure in 2014 you weren't the slightest bit pleased about the FA Cup win.
Anyway, I agree with the general point that if I was him I'd get the hell out, we're not going to win the biggest prizes under Wenger.

[dostoy]

Of course I was pleased because Arsenal had not won anything for 9 years.

Its a consolation cup now, as you say Arsenal will never win either of the 2 big prizes under Wenger, and next season Arsenal will not even be in the CL.

I hope they lose every game this season now because then Wenger surely HAS to go.

[Letters]

I hope they lose every game this season now because then Wenger surely HAS to go.
I never quite understood people hoping we'd lose games but right now there's nothing to lose. We're not going to finish top 4, we might as well keep crashing and burning and hope Wenger finally has a moment of clarity and buggers off.

[Niall_Quinn]

If "always the club has to be the priority" why doesn't he fuck the fuck off?

When he refers to "the club", he's referring to himself.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I never quite understood people hoping we'd lose games but right now there's nothing to lose. We're not going to finish top 4, we might as well keep crashing and burning and hope Wenger finally has a moment of clarity and buggers off.

Even people saying you're not a proper fan wanting to us lose games (like myself) are beginning to change our minds on that

At this stage there really is nothing to be gained by us winning games anymore, the only person it benefits is Arsene Wenger

I'm not sure I buy into this delusional thing, he lives in a bubble to an extent but he knows things are going badly and that he's losing his grip on power but he has betrayed his own past statements as being meaningless when he said he'd want someone to tell him his time is up, the fans have told him and whilst I hope that he's dragging this out as long as possible in the hope that he can win an FA cup I fear he will try to hold on no matter how badly things go.
The club which was spinning a pro Wenger stance to the circle of access journalists seem to now be withdrawing from that, and these cowards may yet throw Wenger under the bus if only to save their own worthless hides.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can't be a "supporter" if you want your team to lose. We know we want Wenger out. Obvious. But when the team takes to the pitch, if you are a supporter then...

Don't even think that Kroenke and Wenger give a fuck about results. I know we constantly hear about Wenger bleeding Arsenal blood. Well fuck that. I don't believe it for one second. He's a selfish bastard. If he gave a fuck about the club he'd at least come out and kill the uncertainty. If he genuinely cared about the club he'd leave, of course, but he doesn't even care enough to let the fans know what his plans are. So fuck that stupid idea that says Wenger gives a fuck about the club. Look at the evidence instead of being stupid about it.

So we know Wenger doesn't give a fuck about the club. Not in a real and practical sense anyway. Maybe in some idealised fucked up way he has conceived for himself, but not in real terms.

So he's NOT an Arsenal supporter.

So what do you want to do - be like him?

Eventually this guy will leave. Either he'll leave of his own will or he'll die of old age. But it is inevitable he'll leave. And he'll leave us in a big fucking mess. Why would we want that mess to be any bigger than it already is?

We need to win ALL our remaining games and we need to keep screaming for Wenger to get the fuck out. It's HIS game and the club's game linking the last few results of a disaster season to Wenger's contract. Well the disaster season has happened so even if we win every last game and a cup - Wenger! GET THE FUCK OUT! You loser!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Never thought I'd say this. But any wins or even glorious draws are counterproductive for the remainder of this season.

I can't even stomach watching the team right now, so why should I give a fuck how we do?

The obvious answer is because I'm a fan. Maybe I'm not any longer. If I'm not, it isn't because I've changed.

[Globalgunner]

Unless you are actually attending games, what you want or feel from a distance has absolutely no effect on how Wenger and his boys perform on the pitch. They will continue to lose games mostly because they are shit players and badly coached by an incompetent manager.
For those who do attend. I hope and expect that they do support the lads, cheer them when they score and win. Boo them loudly when the fail and lose. Bring out concealed posters at the end of each game. Let him know his time is truly up. Wenger is a seriously mentally damaged man. He sees positives everywhere. 3-0 against West ham??? Ola! we are back!. Ship 3 against West Brom and Palace....Erm...we were slow to start and sluggish to respond....but the next game is now the most important.

How long will we continue in this incrementally retrograde cycle?. Wenger doesnt really care. he will gladly take another 3 seasons just like this one as long as he is still in charge. His only concern is for himself. He has an infinite supply of ridiculous excuses to trot out till 2020 at least.

[Letters]

You're not looking at the evidence, you're reframing it to fit your theory.
Obviously Wenger cares about the club, there were times back in the day when he could have walked out for bigger money and a bigger club, but he didn't.
And he is obviously not oblibious to how things are going. I think he thinks he can fix it, but I'm pretty sure he can't.

Are we in a big mess? We have a squad that should be challenging for the title - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. We have a stadium and fanbase generating enough money that we should be competing with anyone - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. Wenger won't leave us in a mess, we're in a mess because of Wenger. Like Mourinho last year - he had them close to the relegation zone. He didn't leave them in a mess, look at them now, they were in a mess because of him. Remove Wenger and get someone in who can get them playing for him and each other and we'll be fine.

What's the worst that can happen if we do keep losing. We'll finish 8th or 9th instead of 5th or 6th? So? Does that really matter? So I wouldn't go so far to saying I hope we lose games, but I'm past caring if we do. If every loss pushes Wenger closer to the door then it's for the greater good.

[Marc Overmars]

You know how messed up the situation is when Letters doesn't include bumbling idiot and judge him at the end of the season in his posts anymore.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're not looking at the evidence, you're reframing it to fit your theory.
Obviously Wenger cares about the club, there were times back in the day when he could have walked out for bigger money and a bigger club, but he didn't.
And he is obviously not oblibious to how things are going. I think he thinks he can fix it, but I'm pretty sure he can't.

Are we in a big mess? We have a squad that should be challenging for the title - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. We have a stadium and fanbase generating enough money that we should be competing with anyone - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. Wenger won't leave us in a mess, we're in a mess because of Wenger. Like Mourinho last year - he had them close to the relegation zone. He didn't leave them in a mess, look at them now, they were in a mess because of him. Remove Wenger and get someone in who can get them playing for him and each other and we'll be fine.

What's the worst that can happen if we do keep losing. We'll finish 8th or 9th instead of 5th or 6th? So? Does that really matter? So I wouldn't go so far to saying I hope we lose games, but I'm past caring if we do. If every loss pushes Wenger closer to the door then it's for the greater good.

There's no comparison between ourselves and the chavs. When Maureen got the push they were left with Abramovich, a guy who has sunk his own money in to win. Strange to think we used to slaughter him for doing that. If Wenger ever leaves we get left with a leech who is all about what he can suck out of the club. In the Wenger era the chavs have transformed from a mid table outfit to one of the world's top clubs and they have a CL trophy in the cabinet. We've done the reverse, regressed from champions to also rans and the trophy cabinet is absent any of the silverware that would mark us out as a genuine premier club. Maureen might have lost the dressing room but he's not a shit coach that beats the competitive edge out of his players. Our bloke takes players and turns them into plodding, sideways passing, spineless drones. There's no guarantee at all a new manager will be able to undo the damage. A whole new team might be required. We're nothing like the chavs, we're the opposite.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I take issue with saying Abramovich used his 'own money' tbf.

[Globalgunner]

I take issue with saying Abramovich used his 'own money' tbf.

Was it yours. If not whose?. Every billionaire gets rich from taking money from the masses. That includes Bill Gates or whomever else you wish to mention, though you could argue, some service was made in return for it. Warren Buffet doesn't even own any industries, doesnt offer any services, he is just great at moving money around multiplying it as he does, . Industrialists I have no problem with. Tyrants who divert governments funds to their own means are a totally different kettle of fish. If you can show that Abramovich is one of those, then Im with you.

[selassie]

You're not looking at the evidence, you're reframing it to fit your theory.
Obviously Wenger cares about the club, there were times back in the day when he could have walked out for bigger money and a bigger club, but he didn't.
And he is obviously not oblibious to how things are going. I think he thinks he can fix it, but I'm pretty sure he can't.

Are we in a big mess? We have a squad that should be challenging for the title - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. We have a stadium and fanbase generating enough money that we should be competing with anyone - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. Wenger won't leave us in a mess, we're in a mess because of Wenger. Like Mourinho last year - he had them close to the relegation zone. He didn't leave them in a mess, look at them now, they were in a mess because of him. Remove Wenger and get someone in who can get them playing for him and each other and we'll be fine.

What's the worst that can happen if we do keep losing. We'll finish 8th or 9th instead of 5th or 6th? So? Does that really matter? So I wouldn't go so far to saying I hope we lose games, but I'm past caring if we do. If every loss pushes Wenger closer to the door then it's for the greater good.

Letters, as NQ has already stated we can't compare ourselves to Chelsea, we're in a mess through years of underachievement and lack of investment by Wenger and the board.

We are not in a unique position whereby we are falling out of the top 4 through some one-off season where everything has gone against us, we are where we are because we are stagnating...or if we want to be kind standing still. We have stood still for years now, little to no improvement for 5 fucking years! Everything apart from the Manager has changed yet we see the same fucking results!

Removing Wenger is a start but we have a deeply flawed mentally at the club, from the top right through to the bottom a "anything goes" mentality has been fabricated into the club, we have had a owner, manager and chief executive on regular occassions tell us winning isn't everything, they don't care about winning.

Until we put in a sustained effort to PROPERLY compete for the big prizes we're in a mess, it doesn't make sense that a club of our stature should have owners and managers happy to just take part, it's a disgrace.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Was it yours. If not whose?. Every billionaire gets rich from taking money from the masses. That includes Bill Gates or whomever else you wish to mention, though you could argue, some service was made in return for it. Warren Buffet doesn't even own any industries, doesnt offer any services, he is just great at moving money around multiplying it as he does, . Industrialists I have no problem with. Tyrants who divert governments funds to their own means are a totally different kettle of fish. If you can show that Abramovich is one of those, then Im with you.

Mention people we aren't talking about. Why?

Anyway even discounting for what happened on obtaining money, I remembered this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3081303/Roman-Abramovich-loan-Chelsea-reaches-1bn-Russian-owner-set-carry-spending.html

I don't understand how it got to the Abramovich idiolising anyway, it's not like we haven't spent anything recently, it has just been poorly managed.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

You know how messed up the situation is when Letters doesn't include bumbling idiot and judge him at the end of the season in his posts anymore.

If the author of that last post was unknown, I could have easily thought NQ had written it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Mention people we aren't talking about. Why?

Anyway even discounting for what happened on obtaining money, I remembered this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3081303/Roman-Abramovich-loan-Chelsea-reaches-1bn-Russian-owner-set-carry-spending.html

I don't understand how it got to the Abramovich idiolising anyway, it's not like we haven't spent anything recently, it has just been poorly managed.

Nobody is idolising Abramovich. His "own" money was a poor choice of words, what I meant was the Russian people's money. I referred to him simply because the chavs were brought up as a comparison when their recent history is almost the reverse of ours. If we accept that modern football is happy to have scumbags owning the clubs, Abramovich is a much more committed owner than our own money skimmer - not that that is in any way difficult. However, Abramovich seems to enjoy football, he turns up to the games and he's never denied his managers investment. Our arsehole knows fuck all about football, is invisible and the money we've spent recently ultimately came from us, the fans, whether through gate receipts, merchandise sales or the other side of the sponsorship coin. We are a "sustainable" club, don't forget. They boast about it. Translated it means they invest nothing personally and enjoy all the benefits personally, such as Stan's pending stadium loan to be underwritten by the one thing we've managed to excel at - share value. This is a club so different to the chavs it's hard to find any similarities.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're not looking at the evidence, you're reframing it to fit your theory.
Obviously Wenger cares about the club, there were times back in the day when he could have walked out for bigger money and a bigger club, but he didn't.
And he is obviously not oblibious to how things are going. I think he thinks he can fix it, but I'm pretty sure he can't.

Are we in a big mess? We have a squad that should be challenging for the title - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. We have a stadium and fanbase generating enough money that we should be competing with anyone - the fact they're not is down to Wenger. Wenger won't leave us in a mess, we're in a mess because of Wenger. Like Mourinho last year - he had them close to the relegation zone. He didn't leave them in a mess, look at them now, they were in a mess because of him. Remove Wenger and get someone in who can get them playing for him and each other and we'll be fine.

What's the worst that can happen if we do keep losing. We'll finish 8th or 9th instead of 5th or 6th? So? Does that really matter? So I wouldn't go so far to saying I hope we lose games, but I'm past caring if we do. If every loss pushes Wenger closer to the door then it's for the greater good.

We don't need to speculate on whether Wenger gives a shit about Arsenal Football Club. The evidence is in. He doesn't give a flying fuck. If he did, he wouldn't be sitting there grinning away with his little secrets as the instability shipwrecks the close of this season and threatens to sink the next one too. He's put himself and his personal interests firmly above those of the club. Nobody could say otherwise given the events to this point. Even if he comes out now and shares his top secret info he's already let the damage be done.

[Globalgunner]

There are very few ethical Billionaires. If you look across the pantheon of club owners, who would you choose to like, The Arab billionaires, the Chinese. The Taksin Shinawtras? The Yanks who bought United with a loan that United are now saddled with?. Its all dodgy money. How the Russian Oligarchs came to be is another story.....Anyhows we are all getting sidetracked by the real issue here

Wenger Out!

[fakeyank]

You know how messed up the situation is when Letters doesn't include bumbling idiot and judge him at the end of the season in his posts anymore.

:gp:

[Letters]

There's no comparison between ourselves and the chavs. When Maureen got the push they were left with Abramovich, a guy who has sunk his own money in to win. Strange to think we used to slaughter him for doing that. If Wenger ever leaves we get left with a leech who is all about what he can suck out of the club. In the Wenger era the chavs have transformed from a mid table outfit to one of the world's top clubs and they have a CL trophy in the cabinet. We've done the reverse, regressed from champions to also rans and the trophy cabinet is absent any of the silverware that would mark us out as a genuine premier club. Maureen might have lost the dressing room but he's not a shit coach that beats the competitive edge out of his players. Our bloke takes players and turns them into plodding, sideways passing, spineless drones. There's no guarantee at all a new manager will be able to undo the damage. A whole new team might be required. We're nothing like the chavs, we're the opposite.

In January you said we needed 2 new players.
Then more recently you said we need a clear out and maybe 6 or 7.
Now you're saying we might need a whole new team.

Stop being silly. We've got players who have won World Cups and other major trophies. We have a pretty good squad but they are not a good team. Get a good coach in who the players can get behind and they can make them in to one. You don't have to be a Chelsea to see a drastic change in fortunes under a new manager. There was that season when Spurs got off to an amusingly bad start and were flirting with the relegation zone for a while. Then 'Arry took over, got them playing again and I think they finished top 6 - and he is no footballing genius. Wenger might have made us into a bad team but they're not suddenly a group of bad players.

The board level concerns me and replacing Wenger won't fix that but if we get the right person in then we'll be up there challenging with this group of players and maybe a couple of additions, there's not much wrong with the squad.

EDIT: The season I mentioned above was 2008/9, Spurs actually finished 8th but they only had 2 points from the first 8 games.

[Niall_Quinn]

There's not much wrong with the squad? Apart from their inability to compete against any team that won't lie down for them? Those chav players who rebelled against Maureen hadn't been drilled in the Wenger Way for seasons on end, with the pub standard defending, the shit sideways play and that extra fucking pass that destroys us offensively. All of that shit will have to be undone by whoever comes in when Wenger dies of old age and his stuffed cadaver is eventually retired.

[Letters]

Again, in January you said we only needed 2 players. Why now do we suddenly need the whole team replacing? There isn't much wrong with the squad, there's a lot wrong with the team. A good coach can fix that. You're giving Wenger too much 'credit' if you think he can make them bad players. And why are you talking about Chelsea again? I gave another example of a team transformed by a different manager and they were nowhere near as good as Chelsea.

[Niall_Quinn]

Again, in January you said we only needed 2 players. Why now do we suddenly need the whole team replacing? There isn't much wrong with the squad, there's a lot wrong with the team. A good coach can fix that. You're giving Wenger too much 'credit' if you think he can make them bad players. And why are you talking about Chelsea again? I gave another example of a team transformed by a different manager and they were nowhere near as good as Chelsea.

:doh:

We've needed a striker and a decent midfielder for years, that's no great revelation. What does that have to do with the shambolic collapse of the entire squad over the past months? Plenty of players have shown they aren't up for a fight and plenty more have shown they are second rate in the starkest terms. They've had the most part of a season to prove they are fit to wear the shirt. Most of them have failed to provide that proof. Half of them are second rate Wenger shite anyway, players that wouldn't get within a mile of a serious title contender.

[Özim]

We need a squad overhaul for sure, really this bunch aren't up to much, no fight, no desire to win and in a lot of them it's deeply ingrained as they've grown up at Arsenal.

Bring a new manager and start again IMO, new style, new tactics, new players who aren't brainwashed into playing tippy tappy.

[Globalgunner]

Its a pity that Leonard Nimoy is no longer with us. A Vulcan mind meld may be required to flush the crap mentality out of cherubs like Ramsey and Walcott. The Wenger is strong in those 2. As for Ozil, a Joe 90 brain transplant is the only solution. Apologies to those who were not kids in the 70s. You may have to google it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Its a pity that Leonard Nimoy is no longer with us. A Vulcan mind meld may be required to flush the crap mentality out of cherubs like Ramsey and Walcott. The Wenger is strong in those 2. As for Ozil, a Joe 90 brain transplant is the only solution. Apologies to those who were not kids in the 70s. You may have to google it.

It wasn't actually a brain transplant. It was recorded and transplanted brain impulses delivered via the BIG RAT and accessed via his specially adapted, trendy 60s style glasses, a style that kids then went on to get beaten up for wearing in the 80s. Important to give the newer generation full and accurate details, I think. Great show. The only thing I didn't like about it was the lacks of gays, lesbians and transgenders. I don't think a single one was cast in the entire show's run. Different times, outlandish bigotry was sort of accepted back in those days.

[Globalgunner]

It wasn't actually a brain transplant. It was recorded and transplanted brain impulses delivered via the BIG RAT and accessed via his specially adapted, trendy 60s style glasses, a style that kids then went on to get beaten up for wearing in the 80s. Important to give the newer generation full and accurate details, I think. Great show. The only thing I didn't like about it was the lacks of gays, lesbians and transgenders. I don't think a single one was cast in the entire show's run. Different times, outlandish bigotry was sort of accepted back in those days.

Not to worry mate Dr who is riding in to save the day. Another bastion of my youth. Sesame st has also gone all inclusive. Oscar the grouch must be positively livid.

[Letters]

We need a squad overhaul for sure

No, we don't.


really this bunch aren't up to much, no fight, no desire to win and in a lot of them it's deeply ingrained as they've grown up at Arsenal.
Have they? How many of our regular starters have actually grown up at Arsenal? Ox has and he's one of the few players that some on here have credited with having some fight.
Quite a few of our players have come in relatively recently and won plenty of trophies elsewhere. And suddenly they all need replacing?


Bring a new manager and start again IMO, new style, new tactics, new players who aren't brainwashed into playing tippy tappy.

Brainwashed :lol:
You're saying a good coach couldn't come in and change our style with the same players? Wenger did, we were "boring boring Arsenal" when he joined (arguably we are again now, in a different way) and he completely changed the way we played without replacing the entire squad from day one. Good players, and we have plenty of those, can adapt. And if you don't think we have good players then why complain that we're not title contenders? My disappointment this season is because I think we have a squad which should challenge, but we're not.

We need a new manager and a couple of additions to the squad. That's all.

[Letters]

We've needed a striker and a decent midfielder for years, that's no great revelation.
No, it isn't. So I agree, we need a couple of new players.

The collapse is the last in a line of a series of collapses over the last decade or so. This has probably been the biggest, maybe because of Wenger's contract situation, maybe because the players have finally lost faith in him, who knows?
But it's not because they've suddenly become a mediocre group of players who all need to be replaced. We know who needs to be replaced.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, we don't.


Have they? How many of our regular starters have actually grown up at Arsenal? Ox has and he's one of the few players that some on here have credited with having some fight.
Quite a few of our players have come in relatively recently and won plenty of trophies elsewhere. And suddenly they all need replacing?



Brainwashed :lol:
You're saying a good coach couldn't come in and change our style with the same players? Wenger did, we were "boring boring Arsenal" when he joined (arguably we are again now, in a different way) and he completely changed the way we played without replacing the entire squad from day one. Good players, and we have plenty of those, can adapt. And if you don't think we have good players then why complain that we're not title contenders? My disappointment this season is because I think we have a squad which should challenge, but we're not.

We need a new manager and a couple of additions to the squad. That's all.

You're kidding yourself if you think that's all that needs to change at this club and suddenly we'll be up there consistently challenging for titles. It's a long legacy of being second best and a fundamental lack of ambition that has to be corrected. Maybe somebody will emerge from the boardroom and if it's true there's now a split then it's good news. That's an indicator of how shit a situation we are in. It's hopeful and positive news (if true) that our board is divided. Whoever comes in (eventually) is going to have one hell of a job to get a defence installed. The neglect in that area is almost total. And the midfield has started to go the same way. Lots of work.

[Letters]

I didn't say that's all that needs to change at the club. I have concerns about board level too. But in terms of the squad we definitely don't need a whole clear-out. This lot should already be up there challenging.
A manager who can get them playing like a team and a couple of additions and we won't be far away IMO.

[Niall_Quinn]

I didn't say that's all that needs to change at the club. I have concerns about board level too. But in terms of the squad we definitely don't need a whole clear-out. This lot should already be up there challenging.
A manager who can get them playing like a team and a couple of additions and we won't be far away IMO.


We need a new manager and a couple of additions to the squad. That's all.

:trophy:

[Letters]

:rolleyes: The discussion was purely about changes on and around the pitch.
We all know there are other things which need to change. But if you think there are deeper problems then while you might be right having a clear out of the squad isn't going to help anyway.

[Özim]

No, we don't.


Have they? How many of our regular starters have actually grown up at Arsenal? Ox has and he's one of the few players that some on here have credited with having some fight.
Quite a few of our players have come in relatively recently and won plenty of trophies elsewhere. And suddenly they all need replacing?



Brainwashed :lol:
You're saying a good coach couldn't come in and change our style with the same players? Wenger did, we were "boring boring Arsenal" when he joined (arguably we are again now, in a different way) and he completely changed the way we played without replacing the entire squad from day one. Good players, and we have plenty of those, can adapt. And if you don't think we have good players then why complain that we're not title contenders? My disappointment this season is because I think we have a squad which should challenge, but we're not.

We need a new manager and a couple of additions to the squad. That's all.

Disagree sorry, I think our the squad Wenger has built is average, defensively inept, no leaders, no real desire to win and not enough variety, I'd make wholesale changes personally, i'd get rid of Monreal, Gibbs, Walcott, Mustafi, Giroud, Gabriel, Coquelin, Mertersacker, Wellbeck I'd probably be tempted to ditch Xhaka as well as I'm not sure he's what we need...Ramsey is touch and go, in the right team he could be an asset....in my book that's a clearout. Add to that a replacement for Sanchez who is likely to leave as well, I'd be templted to find a new keeper too as Cech is no spring chicken and has started looking past his best.

A good coach would make a difference, but ultimately he'd had to build his own team and wipe any trace of Wenger away, wholesale changes would be included in that, this squad needs serious surgery as Wenger has neglected it badly, I think Wenger has done a horrendous job building a squad, a couple of additions won't cut it, our players are very overrated and have been for years, it's time to get back to basics and build a team from back to font again, a decent defence, some agression and creativity in midfield with genuine wingers and goalscorers up front.....add to that some leadsership sprinkled around....right now we're in a right mess in every sense.

IMO this is defnitely one of our worst teams in recent history, problems all over the pitch.

[Letters]

Disagree sorry, I think our the squad Wenger has built is average
Till this year our squad has consistently been in the top few in the league. You don't know what average means.

There's a mentality issue, we need some reinforcements and some decent coaching but we don't nee to make big changes to the squad to see us challenging for the title.

[Niall_Quinn]

Our squad has been consistently double digits behind the champions. Yes, we have been superior to other shite in the league, but never anywhere close to winning the thing. Not even when all our rivals bombed and Leicester City breezed past to win it. Wenger's record is actually shameful, the only thing that has saved him from well deserved ridicule is the lunacy of 4th placed clubs being allowed to compete in the "champions" league.

[Letters]

And you have consistently saying how bad Wenger is a coach. And we still finished in the top few. Doesn't sound like a bad squad to me.
First priority is get Wenger out, see how we do without a little bit handbrake on. Then we can properly assess our squad but I don't think there's too much wrong with it.

[selassie]

Wenger 100% has to go but I also think the squad could do with a spring clean, we have a lot of damaged goods in our squad that wouldn't make the bench of a lot of our rivals.

If we want to improve then we need to improve the playing squad aswell as the manager.

[Letters]

Improve, I'd agree with. But I don't think we need to make wholesale changes.

[Power n Glory]

Hard to say what we need until Wenger goes. Start of the season I thought we had all bases covered but it looks like we’ve been badly exposed. An argument can be made for needing wholesale changes but I don’t think Spurs or Liverpool come close to the players we have but they’re well ahead of us. It boils down to management. That’s not to say we don’t have some seriously flawed players. Xhaka, Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud and Welbeck are first to spring to mind. But another manager may be able to get a lot more from them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sad fact is he's not going, so all of this is a moo point.

The old goat just conned everyone by sending out a back three against the worst attacking unit in the league. Seems to have worked. Seems like he's changed and is finally listening to the fans. For me, that's enough to overlook the hopeless Giroud up front in preference to the once Golden Boot candidate banished to the wings. And the two central defenders who get bullied every match. And the chugging Monreal who was hilariously deployed as a wing back. And the shadow that is Xhaka, Mr Sideways. And the poor man's Kante, Coquelin. And the hot and cold Walcott who was finally showing a bit of fight so got benched. And the fragile Welbeck who is injured again. And the missing Cazorla who we haven't come close to replacing. And the Ox, who is surely shop windowing himself with his string of decent performances? And Ozil, who has learned quickly it's fine to turn up when you fancy under this regime. And, of course, Alexis who looks so out of place at this club, like a guy passing through on his way to more interesting destinations.

But we played a back three. So all in all I'd say there are more positives than negatives.

[Özim]

Till this year our squad has consistently been in the top few in the league. You don't know what average means.

There's a mentality issue, we need some reinforcements and some decent coaching but we don't nee to make big changes to the squad to see us challenging for the title.

Top few but a million miles away from the prize, our performances have been not great overall, yes we've been picking up points but we really haven't impressed, IMO there's nothing about this team, so far away from being a winning team. Just because they get a few results it doesn't mean they're good enough, to build a top team you need the right mix of players and importantly leaders and winners, we've got none of that.

This lot are good enough if you're aiming for being also rans, but not if you want to win something, major surgery needed in defence, midfield and up front and we need to get rid of those players who are always injured like Gibbs and Wellbeck on top of that.

We've been close according to Wenger and co for years, except we haven't, like many things about Arsenal it's a case of being overrated and believing unjustified hype in players who have never delivered real success, there's a few exceptions of course but not many, when the going gets tough most of this lot go missing, it's been proven year on year.

[Özim]

Sad fact is he's not going, so all of this is a moo point.

The old goat just conned everyone by sending out a back three against the worst attacking unit in the league. Seems to have worked. Seems like he's changed and is finally listening to the fans. For me, that's enough to overlook the hopeless Giroud up front in preference to the once Golden Boot candidate banished to the wings. And the two central defenders who get bullied every match. And the chugging Monreal who was hilariously deployed as a wing back. And the shadow that is Xhaka, Mr Sideways. And the poor man's Kante, Coquelin. And the hot and cold Walcott who was finally showing a bit of fight so got benched. And the fragile Welbeck who is injured again. And the missing Cazorla who we haven't come close to replacing. And the Ox, who is surely shop windowing himself with his string of decent performances? And Ozil, who has learned quickly it's fine to turn up when you fancy under this regime. And, of course, Alexis who looks so out of place at this club, like a guy passing through on his way to more interesting destinations.

But we played a back three. So all in all I'd say there are more positives than negatives.

As we knew before one or two wins against so lesser team is all it will take for things to die down and Wenger to get back into full smug mode, as in previous seasons a mini unbeaten run when there's nothing to play for which he can harp on about all summer is just what he needs, let's just ignore the horrible performance and collapse and pretend it's just a blip because the team has won a couple games in the row and proved it's mental strength and spirit and togetherness, once that happens we'll be 2% away from domination once again and the doubters will have been proven wrong once again, despite their best efforts to derail our season, make no mistake it's all their fault.

[Letters]

I don't think so Zim. Not this time. The fans have properly had enough now and not even a win in every game from now on (which, let's not forget, would mean we win the FA Cup) would be enough for people to want him to stay. And this is me saying this. Me!

[Power n Glory]

I don't think so Zim. Not this time. The fans have properly had enough now and not even a win in every game from now on (which, let's not forget, would mean we win the FA Cup) would be enough for people to want him to stay. And this is me saying this. Me!

Yes, him!

[fakeyank]

I didn't say that's all that needs to change at the club. I have concerns about board level too. But in terms of the squad we definitely don't need a whole clear-out. This lot should already be up there challenging.
A manager who can get them playing like a team and a couple of additions and we won't be far away IMO.

:gp:

We have one of the best squads in the PL IMO.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I don't think so Zim. Not this time. The fans have properly had enough now and not even a win in every game from now on (which, let's not forget, would mean we win the FA Cup) would be enough for people to want him to stay. And this is me saying this. Me!

Who the fuck are you?

[Niall_Quinn]

G O N E.

Unless he's a total fool.

[Dicks and chicks]

https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/859714577671520256/photo/1

[Niall_Quinn]

The two goals scored by Alexis Sanchez means no other player in the Premier League has been involved in more goals than him. In 37 games, the Chilean has 23 goals and 10 assists, and is the only player to be in double figures for both goals and assists.

Further still, he is the league's second highest scorer and has the third-most assists, but strangely, there was no place for him in the PFA Team of the Year.


He's no Eric Dier.

[Özim]

I reckon he's going to be on his way, especially if/when we lose the FA Cup final Bayern and City are after him apparently (Chelsea were too before), don't lie our chances of holding on to him.

Bayern willing to pay 50 million apparently.

[Letters]

Wouldn't blame him for going tbh.

[Özim]

Other than not wanting the hassle of shifting his life to another country or place (woulnd't need to do that if he want to Chelsea though), I can't think why he would want to stay, no CL, he wasn't played up front in the latter stages of the season despite his success there, he showed his discontent and we've been going backwards and don't seem willing to compete for the top players.

His age and the fact he's in the prime of his career will no doubt play a part too. You could argue he might wait till next summer when he's free of course.

[Thierrymon]

Yep, definitely gone.

[Özim]

Chle list Sanchez as Bayern Munich player lol, mistake or do they know something we don't:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/alexis-sanchez-accidentally-listed-as-bayern-munich-player-by-chile-amid-transfer-speculation-6657861/

[Niall_Quinn]

Other than not wanting the hassle of shifting his life to another country or place (woulnd't need to do that if he want to Chelsea though), I can't think why he would want to stay, no CL, he wasn't played up front in the latter stages of the season despite his success there, he showed his discontent and we've been going backwards and don't seem willing to compete for the top players.

His age and the fact he's in the prime of his career will no doubt play a part too. You could argue he might wait till next summer when he's free of course.

Which is why we should already be in the final stages of signing a marquee striker. One, to send the message to our top players that we are finally getting into the game and bringing in the players we'll need to seriously compete. Two, because if Alexis fucks off then we take a huge step backwards and what a terrible signal that sends to the rest of the players, potential new signings and everyone connected to the club (except Kroenke who doesn't care).

What we'll do though is fuck it all up and wait for Alexis to leave before we make a move for anyone else.

[Niall_Quinn]

Chle list Sanchez as Bayern Munich player lol, mistake or do they know something we don't:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/alexis-sanchez-accidentally-listed-as-bayern-munich-player-by-chile-amid-transfer-speculation-6657861/

Chile execs want him to go to a top club. They stated as much a few months back. This was likely a deliberate move by them.

[Özim]

Which is why we should already be in the final stages of signing a marquee striker. One, to send the message to our top players that we are finally getting into the game and bringing in the players we'll need to seriously compete. Two, because if Alexis fucks off then we take a huge step backwards and what a terrible signal that sends to the rest of the players, potential new signings and everyone connected to the club (except Kroenke who doesn't care).

What we'll do though is fuck it all up and wait for Alexis to leave before we make a move for anyone else.

Yeah I agree, if we signed a top class player it might convince players like Sanchez we're changing our policy and are going somewhere, if not then at least we have a top player and aren't over a barrel because we've lost our goalscorer and clubs know we desperately need someone.

Thing about this club is they don't plan at all, everything is done on a whim or as an afterthought, there's a lack of intelligence in our entire transfer policy and how we handle them.

You're right though, we will mess it up, like we do every summer, waiting till the last day of the transfer deadline despite the season starting weeks before and the logical thing being to sign player before the season so they can get use to playing with their teamates, we'll also get screwed over price like we did with Mustafi because clubs will only sell players last minute for a premium and know we're desperate.

Really amateurish.

[selassie]

We better hope for our own sake that Alexis wants a move abroad. If he wants to stay in PL then he'll be lining up for City or Chelsea next season.

[selassie]

Other than not wanting the hassle of shifting his life to another country or place (woulnd't need to do that if he want to Chelsea though), I can't think why he would want to stay, no CL, he wasn't played up front in the latter stages of the season despite his success there, he showed his discontent and we've been going backwards and don't seem willing to compete for the top players.

His age and the fact he's in the prime of his career will no doubt play a part too. You could argue he might wait till next summer when he's free of course.

He's gone Zim, if the rumours are to be believed we have offered him a 300k per week and he's in no rush to sign it. There is nothing for him here, he's off to win trophies.

[Özim]

He's gone Zim, if the rumours are to be believed we have offered him a 300k per week and he's in no rush to sign it. There is nothing for him here, he's off to win trophies.

That's what I reckon too, AW however reckons Arsenal hold all the cards and that the situation differs from the RVP one, he really doesn't have a clue. I think he said it was different with RVP because he was looking for a long term contract and was 29 going on 30 and it's not like that with Sanchez, yet he's only a year and a few months younger than RVP anyway so that's a nonsense as well.

Sanchez holds all the cards, either he decides to leave now and we get money, or he holds out and leaves next summer for free, lose lose for us.

[selassie]

That's what I reckon too, AW however reckons Arsenal hold all the cards and that the situation differs from the RVP one, he really doesn't have a clue. I think he said it was different with RVP because he was looking for a long term contract and was 29 going on 30 and it's not like that with Sanchez, yet he's only a year and a few months younger than RVP anyway so that's a nonsense as well.

Sanchez holds all the cards, either he decides to leave now and we get money, or he holds out and leaves next summer for free, lose lose for us.

Wenger is talking out of his arse. Sanchez has us by the balls. Like you said we're in a lose lose situation. I am more concerned about where he is going, I truly hope it's not to another PL club.

[Penguin]

Agreed, he's definitely not staying here and there's no stopping him now. The only thing left to hope for is that he doesn't move to another PL club. We should at least convince him to go abroad to save us gooners the humiliation.

[Niall_Quinn]

Gone to Utd for 30mill apparently.

:ilt:

[rodders]

They do succeed in making a bad situation much much worse

[Niall_Quinn]

They do succeed in making a bad situation much much worse

Been that way for a while now. Think of the worst possible outcome and then watch Wenger exceed your nightmares.

[Cripps]

Gone to Utd for 30mill apparently.

:ilt:

Source?

[selassie]

Can anybody explain to me why we didn’t sell Sanchez for 60million to City in the summer?!!!

Why are we selling him now for half of that value to United? I honestly don’t get it.

[Marc Overmars]

I think now it’s becoming clear we won’t qualify for the CL via the league at least, we are are cashing in now to cover that loss of revenue. I think if we were nestled in the top 4 we may have kept him and let him do what he wanted in the summer.

[Power n Glory]

Can anybody explain to me why we didn’t sell Sanchez for 60million to City in the summer?!!!

Why are we selling him now for half of that value to United? I honestly don’t get it.

Because we have idiots running the club.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Because we have idiots running the club.

I mean leaving it to the end of the transfer window before thinking oh shit, he doesn’t want to stay here you know

[KSE Comedy Club]

I mean leaving it to the end of the transfer window before thinking oh shit, he doesn’t want to stay here you know

Because its what le' idiot and the numpties always do.

Our negotiating and planning departments are actually just different sections of Wenger's brain.
Only the numpties upstairs haven't realized that Wenger either had a stroke or was secretly lobotomized around 8 years ago.

There really isn't any kind of logical explanation for the completely unorganized, mismanagement that we seem to continually suffer with.

Don't stress yourself out trying to find one.

[Munchies]

Atleast if he does go to United, it'll make more fans angry against the Wenker given his 'I'll never sell to United again' and they're managed by Maureen

How much longer can this go on?!

[Munchies]

This thread was made 4 years ago and nothings changed lol

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Because its what le' idiot and the numpties always do.

Our negotiating and planning departments are actually just different sections of Wenger's brain.
Only the numpties upstairs haven't realized that Wenger either had a stroke or was secretly lobotomized around 8 years ago.

There really isn't any kind of logical explanation for the completely unorganized, mismanagement that we seem to continually suffer with.

Don't stress yourself out trying to find one.

I’m fairly sure it’s not that shrouded in mystery

Most of the board are old guys who don’t care about football. And make no bones about not giving a fuck, the performance at the AGM by Chips Keswick was a disgrace. It was consummately we are only doing this because the fat man won’t sell his shares.

When Dein and Edelman left there was a vaccum and in stepped Wenger, and although Gazidis seems to be trying his best to dent Wengers power structure it was always far easier to let Wenger carry on as he wanted.

Kroenke wants as little to do with the club as possible, it probably annoys him having to have to bother coming out here at all...giving Wenger a new contract is based on “fuck it why not, it means we can all go back to sleep for two years”

For me Gazidis is the one who needs to twist his arm and convince him to dispense with Wenger. Although I tend to think his preferred option is for Wenger to walk away

There’s only one problem, Wenger won’t ever walk away. If it’s just the board asking him if he wants a new contract every time he will sign on, because he’s terrified of retirement. So the waiting for him to walk away option just isn’t there

[GP]

I’m fairly sure it’s not that shrouded in mystery

Most of the board are old guys who don’t care about football. And make no bones about not giving a fuck, the performance at the AGM by Chips Keswick was a disgrace. It was consummately we are only doing this because the fat man won’t sell his shares.

When Dein and Edelman left there was a vaccum and in stepped Wenger, and although Gazidis seems to be trying his best to dent Wengers power structure it was always far easier to let Wenger carry on as he wanted.

Kroenke wants as little to do with the club as possible, it probably annoys him having to have to bother coming out here at all...giving Wenger a new contract is based on “fuck it why not, it means we can all go back to sleep for two years”

For me Gazidis is the one who needs to twist his arm and convince him to dispense with Wenger. Although I tend to think his preferred option is for Wenger to walk away

There’s only one problem, Wenger won’t ever walk away. If it’s just the board asking him if he wants a new contract every time he will sign on, because he’s terrified of retirement. So the waiting for him to walk away option just isn’t there

Thank you for your statement.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I’m fairly sure it’s not that shrouded in mystery

Most of the board are old guys who don’t care about football. And make no bones about not giving a fuck, the performance at the AGM by Chips Keswick was a disgrace. It was consummately we are only doing this because the fat man won’t sell his shares.

When Dein and Edelman left there was a vaccum and in stepped Wenger, and although Gazidis seems to be trying his best to dent Wengers power structure it was always far easier to let Wenger carry on as he wanted.

Kroenke wants as little to do with the club as possible, it probably annoys him having to have to bother coming out here at all...giving Wenger a new contract is based on “fuck it why not, it means we can all go back to sleep for two years”

For me Gazidis is the one who needs to twist his arm and convince him to dispense with Wenger. Although I tend to think his preferred option is for Wenger to walk away

There’s only one problem, Wenger won’t ever walk away. If it’s just the board asking him if he wants a new contract every time he will sign on, because he’s terrified of retirement. So the waiting for him to walk away option just isn’t there

It is a mystery how, supposedly competent and professional board members & senior management can be such utter fuck ups and amateurs.....????

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It is a mystery how, supposedly competent and professional board members & senior management can be such utter fuck ups and amateurs.....????

But these aren’t football people. They are old men and as a money making enterprise Arsenal are doing well, despite lagging behind in commercial revenue.

You saw presumably Chips Keswick at the AGM. They think the fans are scum, think they should pay their money and mind their own business.

[Power n Glory]

It doesn’t look like Wenger will be leaving any time soon. Even when long gone and buried, the idiots that supposedly run the club would probably dig him up and still have him as Arsenal manager. I mean, who else if not Wenger? Ty said it himself.

http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/reddw/2/1/p3.JPG
'What do you think, Mr Wenger, sir'?

Pathetic.

[Niall_Quinn]

Thank you for your statement.

That was the AGM before last. Latest protocol requires you to add an insult.

But thank you for your attempt anyway. Little person.

[Niall_Quinn]

It is a mystery how, supposedly competent and professional board members & senior management can be such utter fuck ups and amateurs.....????

Only if you assume their ambition is victory on the pitch at the highest levels.

But they look pretty damn smart if their ambition is to hijack one of England's biggest clubs and milk a captive audience while riding on a tidal wave of TV money - all the way to a Euro super league and a massive pay off. When you look at it that way, they haven't missed a beat. Nobody could have done it better.

[Niall_Quinn]

But these aren’t football people. They are old men and as a money making enterprise Arsenal are doing well, despite lagging behind in commercial revenue.

You saw presumably Chips Keswick at the AGM. They think the fans are scum, think they should pay their money and mind their own business.

We don't know our place and we have no respect for our betters. That's the main problem facing Arsenal right now.

[Cripps]

Because its what le' idiot and the numpties always do.

Our negotiating and planning departments are actually just different sections of Wenger's brain.
Only the numpties upstairs haven't realized that Wenger either had a stroke or was secretly lobotomized around 8 years ago.

There really isn't any kind of logical explanation for the completely unorganized, mismanagement that we seem to continually suffer with.

Don't stress yourself out trying to find one.

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5350831/Kicking-Alexis-Sanchez-way-stop-him.html

Redknapp suddenly has a problem with Alexis getting fouled. :doh:

And he has a crackpot theory to explain why Alexis is suddenly getting more free kicks. It's certainly not because Utd are favoured by the refs and always have been. Definitely not that. It's because Alexis is more committed at Utd than he was at Arsenal. Yep.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5350831/Kicking-Alexis-Sanchez-way-stop-him.html

Redknapp suddenly has a problem with Alexis getting fouled. :doh:

And he has a crackpot theory to explain why Alexis is suddenly getting more free kicks. It's certainly not because Utd are favoured by the refs and always have been. Definitely not that. It's because Alexis is more committed at Utd than he was at Arsenal. Yep.

The analysis and punditry from ex players in this country is shocking. They know fuck all. Compare it to the US where the pundits have stats and knowledge on tactics, players and even stats from a players college playing years: the guys over here need to step it up. I've stopped paying attention to most of what these guys have to say. It's embarrassing.

[Cripps]

Danny Higginbotham is the best pundit. His analysis on programmes like The Debate is excellent.

[KSE Comedy Club]

The analysis and punditry from ex players in this country is shocking. They know fuck all. Compare it to the US where the pundits have stats and knowledge on tactics, players and even stats from a players college playing years: the guys over here need to step it up. I've stopped paying attention to most of what these guys have to say. It's embarrassing.

This is so true.

We are only ever provided basic level punditry for football. Same old lines trotted out every game with no real analysis or in depth information given out.
Most of the time it's to fit in with certain agenda's and of course, the differing levels of corruption within the English game.

[Cripps]

Ian Ladyman reckons Spurs 2-2 draw with Liverpool was a landmark moment for Poorchettino's Tottenham :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

This is so true.

We are only ever provided basic level punditry for football. Same old lines trotted out every game with no real analysis or in depth information given out.
Most of the time it's to fit in with certain agenda's and of course, the differing levels of corruption within the English game.

This is why I don't bother watching the full programmes when games are on. I tune in for kick off, go do something at half time and turn off at full time. You couldn't pay me to sit and listen to some old boys club talk a load of bollocks. Well you could but you catch my drift.

I'd much rather listen to opinions from real fans.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Ian Ladyman reckons Spurs 2-2 draw with Liverpool was a landmark moment for Poorchettino's Tottenham :lol:

For what reason exactly??

[KSE Comedy Club]

This is why I don't bother watching the full programmes when games are on. I tune in for kick off, go do something at half time and turn off at full time. You couldn't pay me to sit and listen to some old boys club talk a load of bollocks. Well you could but you catch my drift.

I'd much rather listen to opinions from real fans.

Yeh, its a shame you cant have the option to select your audio track to go alongside the game - just the stadium noise or a fan commentary channel or something