Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Claude is an attention whore.

True. You can tell from his AFTV videos.


Still, it doesn't excuses some of the vile abuse he gets online. Unfortunately under the cloak of anonymity that the internet provides, the dregs of society act like complete tools.

[GP]

True. You can tell from his AFTV videos.


Still, it doesn't excuses some of the vile abuse he gets online. Unfortunately under the cloak of anonymity that the internet provides, the dregs of society act like complete tools.

Twitter has a block button and he gives as good as he gets.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Weirdness.

Just heard on the radio this morning that he's made contact with his family

The guy is clearly not well mentally, seems to suffer quite badly from depression. Whilst I think he's made himself a bit of a joke on AFTV, less so for his opinions than the fact he has made himself a caricature along with Ty of the dynamic of the pro Wenger/anti Wenger feud. I genuinely hope he's ok.

[Munchies]

https://vimeo.com/173385383

Great vid

So frustrating at times

[Niall_Quinn]

https://vimeo.com/173385383

Great vid

So frustrating at times

#6 was the best. Superb goal.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some clips of the underperforming shit bastard Ozil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCJO79QN38

And that was all done in half a season, before our strikers went on strike.

[Bumble]

So would anyone be bothered if Wenger is offered the England job and accepts?

I know that is incredibly unlikely... not that England would not offer for Wenger but because Wenger likes to honour contracts... which is very noble of him. Plus its probably a bit more of a challenge managing England.

[Kano]

He'd be insane to take that job - so it may happen.

If dealing with the growing discontent at Arsenal is tough, wait until he deals with a job guaranteed for failure.

Wouldn't want to see him go out like that. If he has any sense left, retire at the end of the season and be done with management.

[Marc Overmars]

I've always felt he'd be a decent England manager. The problem with England managers in the past is that they haven't had the respect of the players. Having someone so familiar to them from club level might help bridge the gap from club to country.

That and he's a shit ton better than past managers anyway.

[GP]

Got to be better than a loser like Southgate anyway.

[Özim]

Wenger would be great for England, we'd finally get rid of him and England can continue failing (albeit this time with 5 yard passing and even less shots on goal this time) as they normally do.

Everyone wins.

[Penguin]

I personally think he would flop at international football, not just with England but with any country. Just look at his Champions League form for proof.

He's more suited to league football.

[GP]

I personally think he would flop at international football, not just with England but with any country. Just look at his Champions League form for proof.

He's more suited to non-league football.

Fixed it for you ahahahahaha

[Maestro]

Jens sent a message to Joachim Low, it reads;

"Low knows the rules" :haha::haha::haha: cracks me the fuck up

[Toronto Gooner]

So would anyone be bothered if Wenger is offered the England job and accepts?

I know that is incredibly unlikely... not that England would not offer for Wenger but because Wenger likes to honour contracts... which is very noble of him. Plus its probably a bit more of a challenge managing England.
The problem is who takes over. The new manager has to be able take over the squad and build on the foundations that are there. When Wenger leaves, the choice will be between stepping upwards to even more success or take a leap of the cliff and hoping you can fly (e.g., Moyes and Man U).

[pakgunner]

The problem is who takes over. The new manager has to be able take over the squad and build on the foundations that are there. When Wenger leaves, the choice will be between stepping upwards to even more success or take a leap of the cliff and hoping you can fly (e.g., Moyes and Man U).
This may sound like sacrilege but Pochettino would do wonders with our current squad. Just imagine what that would do to the spuds.

[Kano]

The problem is, as Arsenal manager he'd still find a way to finish below ourselves.

[Kano]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnCF6XUVYAAfN3k.jpg

Is that Ramsey or Bieber?

[Niall_Quinn]

Cech has retired from international football.

[Niall_Quinn]

So what do you do when yet another tournament has turned into an utter humiliation for England and their pack of pampered and hyped lightweights?

Easy! Run a hit piece on Arsenal's British players, most of whom didn't have anything to do with the debacle in France yet includes possibly the player of the tournament.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3690060/Jack-Wilshere-Theo-Walcott-British-core-Arsenal-futures-doubt-Arsene-Wenger-s-homegrown-stars.html

[Özim]

So what do you do when yet another tournament has turned into an utter humiliation for England and their pack of pampered and hyped lightweights?

Easy! Run a hit piece on Arsenal's British players, most of whom didn't have anything to do with the debacle in France yet includes possibly the player of the tournament.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3690060/Jack-Wilshere-Theo-Walcott-British-core-Arsenal-futures-doubt-Arsene-Wenger-s-homegrown-stars.html

To be honest that lot have been pretty poor for us, Ramsey was great at the Euros but for us he's been woeful, but you can only put that down to Wenger and his tactics and how he plays him.

As for the rest to be honest wouldn't shed a tear if we let them all go, another example of Wenger's failed youth dream, most of them overhyped, overpaid rubbish. Don't see anything wrong with showing them up for what they are, just wish they'd point the finger at Wenger as well as he has to take a lot of blame.

Walcott and Wilshere earn an absolute shedload and have been overhyped and overpaid from the day they stepped foot on the pitch for us, wish we'd cut our losses and get rid, Wilshere looked totally out of his depth at the Euros as well, misplaced passes, getting caught on the ball, basicall everything he does for us week in week out (well not really week in week out as he's always injured but almost whenever he plays).

[Munchies]

Journalist Dave Woods (strong links to hierarchy of afc) says Eddie Howe no.1 on shortlist to replace Wenger next year.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoZyKogW8AAbtpj.jpg

Come in now lad

[Kano]

Baby Jesus help us.

We're 100% never going to sign anyone ever again. So let's keep on speculating about who we might sign.

Wenger is going to be the manager for at least the next twenty years. So let's narrow down who will replace him next season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some stuff about the cunt that has hijacked us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3713576/How-Stan-Kroenke-Arsenal-s-billionaire-owner-spending-big-powerful-man-sport.html

[Goonermerree]

Some stuff about the cunt that has hijacked us.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3713576/How-Stan-Kroenke-Arsenal-s-billionaire-owner-spending-big-powerful-man-sport.html

:fury:

[Penguin]

Saw this quote about his NFL team:

"Financially, he is going to do very well out of this. If he wins, he’ll do even better but I don’t think that’s his prime motivation. ‘This is all about the money."

:rolleyes:

[Niall_Quinn]

Saw this quote about his NFL team:

"Financially, he is going to do very well out of this. If he wins, he’ll do even better but I don’t think that’s his prime motivation. ‘This is all about the money."

:rolleyes:

That happened to me the other day. I made £500mill from sitting on my fat arse and then I thought, I know, I can make £600mill if I do some work.

So I got a cushion and some popcorn.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saw this quote about his NFL team:

"Financially, he is going to do very well out of this. If he wins, he’ll do even better but I don’t think that’s his prime motivation. ‘This is all about the money."

:rolleyes:

Perhaps but then Wenger's just said of Gazidis that he has to calm him down in wanting to "buy all the players"! If Gazidis is wanting to do that, it's not because Kroenke isn't allowing anyhing to be spent.

[Niall_Quinn]

Perhaps but then Wenger's just said of Gazidis that he has to calm him down in wanting to "buy all the players"! If Gazidis is wanting to do that, it's not because Kroenke isn't allowing anyhing to be spent.

Our manager dissuading our owners trying to buy players :haha:

Only at Arsenal.

Isn't this Stan having his cake and eating it? He can say he wants to buy and then leave it to Wenger to make sure it never happens. Handy that. Wouldn't he just get rid of Wenger if he genuinely was standing in the way of their desire to spend?

[Kano]

Perhaps but then Wenger's just said of Gazidis that he has to calm him down in wanting to "buy all the players"! If Gazidis is wanting to do that, it's not because Kroenke isn't allowing anyhing to be spent.

I thought the comments were related to Gazidis coming out twice talking about financial prudence, rather than his eagerness to spend. If he has said he wants to spend and over-compete then the guy needs his head checked. He would've gone from spouting how we can't compete to saying the complete opposite.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

‘I work every day with Ivan, believe me he is highly motivated to bring players in,’ said Wenger ahead of Arsenal’s friendly with Chivas de Guadalajara.

‘Sometimes I have to calm him down. I believe as well this is a period where everybody wants to dream, and transfers bring dreams.

That's the quote - presuming one sentence follows directly after the other, it seems assured to me what he is talking about.

[Kano]

What I mean is on both occasions that Gazidis has come out and blubbered about finances, Wenger or the club have come out very quickly to offer an opposing view. So either they're both crazy or they are playing a game of confusion on the fans, both of which are feasible. Or Gazidis keeps putting his foot in it. What makes me question it is Wenger qualifying his stance by talking about dreams, which is in contradiction to his opening gambit about calming Gazidis down. I don't think it's easy to read anything coming out of the club at the moment and there is every chance that is what they mean to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wouldn't try reading anything into anything coming out of the club. It's not a serious football club.

[Power n Glory]

Perhaps but then Wenger's just said of Gazidis that he has to calm him down in wanting to "buy all the players"! If Gazidis is wanting to do that, it's not because Kroenke isn't allowing anyhing to be spent.

Good point. I don't think Stan takes an active role in the club. I don't think he's that imposing. If he were, I can't understand why he'd be OK with us signing Xhaka, a player he certainly wouldn't have heard of prior to being linked with us but on the other hand, people say he is responsible for putting a limit on what we spend on other players. That doesn't make sense.

If he's trying to curp spending, why isn't he looking at the wage bill? Most companies that are trying trim the fat and cut spending go straight to cutting staff. We should be seeing an exodus of players if he were that imposing. Theo, Campbell, Wilshere....why not sell them?

On the transfer thread, we have recent quotes from Wenger saying money isn't the problem. The 4 ingredients he uses to make a decision come down to talent, age, can they improve the squad and resale value. Who else but Wenger can make give an informed opinion on those 4 things? Stan certainly can't. Ivan can't. We obviously have certain restrictions when it comes to spending. We won't be breaking transfer world records but much of what we're seeing is self imposed.

[LDG]

One day, maybe, he'll write a book about it.

[Marc Overmars]

I think he really needs to shut up and get the job done now, his excuses and philosophical explanations have grown so tiresome. Nothing he says is going to pacify the fans, not when we see everyone around us capable of getting players in regardless of financial might and existing quality.

I'm telling you, he absolutely hates having to sign players. He probably sees it as cheating.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wouldn't try reading anything into anything coming out of the club. It's not a serious football club.

Pretty fucking serious about making money.

We are owned and run by parasitic cunts.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I think he really needs to shut up and get the job done now, his excuses and philosophical explanations have grown so tiresome. Nothing he says is going to pacify the fans, not when we see everyone around us capable of getting players in regardless of financial might and existing quality.

I'm telling you, he absolutely hates having to sign players. He probably sees it as cheating.

We know what job will be done. We've all seen it, we've all said in seasons past what will happen and we've all been right.

Just like we will be right about the coming season.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think he really needs to shut up and get the job done now, his excuses and philosophical explanations have grown so tiresome. Nothing he says is going to pacify the fans, not when we see everyone around us capable of getting players in regardless of financial might and existing quality.

I'm telling you, he absolutely hates having to sign players. He probably sees it as cheating.

He doesn't mind cheating when it comes to cheating the fans, I notice.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal Glossary
-------------------------------
Booking - Making a note of new income.
Captain - Guy who steers my yacht.
Chip - What we use at the casino.
Clean sheet - Player transfers in.
Club - What we use for golf.
Cross - How we feel about moaning fans.
Defender - Journalists who write about how clever Arsene is.
Double - What we order at the bar.
Dummy - A fan.
Extra time - Another week that Wenger has avoided a sacking.
Free kick - Preferable to an expensive kick.
Foul - The very notion of spending money.
Goal - Profits.
Goalpost - What we move whenever anyone questions us.
Keeper - Revenue.
North Bank - One of the financial establishments where the loot is stashed.
Pass - What we do with transfer opportunities.
Pitch - Marketing message.
Promotion - Marketing campaign.
Save - What we do with money.
Silverware - The lunch cutlery.
Striker - Nasty employee who refuses to work.
Supporter - One of our sponsors.
Title - Documents that prove Stan owns a particular ranch.
Transfer - Sending the loot to the Caymans.
Treble - What we drink once the transfer window closes.

Ball - What we're having.

[Penguin]

I think he really needs to shut up and get the job done now, his excuses and philosophical explanations have grown so tiresome. Nothing he says is going to pacify the fans, not when we see everyone around us capable of getting players in regardless of financial might and existing quality.

I'm telling you, he absolutely hates having to sign players. He probably sees it as cheating.

He's afraid of spending money and still failing. He's spent too much time hiding behind excuses and now he's scared of being decisive and putting his money where his mouth is. That's why he's fishing around for bargains and talking about how important resale value is - because that way he can say we spent less than our rivals so THAT's why we win fuck all.

He doesn't show any conviction in the transfer market. I'm sure he's done plenty of research on Lacazette - either he's good enough for us or he's not. If he is, just spend that £10-15m extra to get him in an Arsenal shirt and to give us a chance of actually challenging for trophies. If he makes the difference and helps us win one of the big ones he will pay that back with interest. If he coughed up earlier he could have even had a full preseason with us and be ready to hit the ground running.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has admitted he is 'quite scared' of retiring, and doesn't understand how managers such as Sir Alex Ferguson have managed to cope so well with life after football.

Wenger has been in charge of the Gunners for almost 20 years, with his contract set to expire at the end of the season.

But the 66-year-old does not seem ready to quit quite yet, comparing his love of the sport to an 'addiction'.


'I personally believe the only way to be a manager is to spend the club's money as if it were your own because if you don't do that you're susceptible to too many mistakes,' he added.

'You make big decisions and I believe you have to act like it's your own money, like you're the owner of the club and you can identify completely with the club. Because if you don't do that I think you cannot go far.'

All very ominous.

Then, laughably...


'I’ve fought all my life for footballers to make money but when you pay them before they produce it can kill the hunger. I’m scared we now have players under 17, under 18, who make £1m a year.

When Ian Wright was earning that, he’d scored goals, he’d put his body on the line. Now, before they start, they are millionaires – a young player who has not even played.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3729544/Arsene-Wenger-admits-scared-retirement-Arsenal-boss-compares-love-football-addiction.html

[Özim]

All very ominous.

Then, laughably...



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3729544/Arsene-Wenger-admits-scared-retirement-Arsenal-boss-compares-love-football-addiction.html

His comments as usualy are soul destroying and embarassing, the first part is horrible because as I suspected he has no life outside football and therefore could easily go on into his 70s (a scary thought indeed) and the 2nd part because he created this overpaying kids culture (did footballers really need fighting for, they already earnt so much more than the average person?) and now he's complaining about it, he also is the one that wrapped these kids up in cotton woll so they never had to do a hard days work in their life ironically, so is it any surprise they lack motivation and hunger?

Someone at the club should really tell him never to do another interview ever again because quite frankly he's embarassinf the club with them these days.

[Niall_Quinn]

All those Olympians winning medals - they all thank their families for the sacrifices made. The time, the money, the effort. Can you imagine Wenger as a coach? No, we can't go to the pool to practice - petrol is too expensive. Use the bath. I have a feeling his Olympians would be as successful as his football teams.

[Maestro]

Big shout out to Serge Gnabry, who's been on fire and the stand-out performer so far at the Olympics. Good on the lad!

[Gooner23]

Like.. a... new ......

[Özim]

My gosh what is wrong with this guy?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVXDKnEcTOg

[Niall_Quinn]

That Ty bloke supports Arsene Wenger, not Arsenal.

[Coney]

http://news.arseblog.com/2016/08/mustafis-agent-confirms-arsenal-agreement/

Terrible news for those thinking we would never buy a CB.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://news.arseblog.com/2016/08/mustafis-agent-confirms-arsenal-agreement/

Terrible news for those thinking we would never buy a CB.

We should be celebrating because L'Goat has done half of the bare minimum required this window?

This is how he does it. He takes the basic position of absolute negligence and then steps back a little and calls it progress. We MIGHT sign a CB in response to the latest injury. That will all depend on us offering what Valencia want, of course. No guarantees there. But even if we do, this guy will be rushing in at the last minute in the hope he can rapidly get up to speed and do a job for us. And the one player we have desperately needed for years, the striker, no sign at all. We just won't spend what's required. It's negligence. The bloke should have been sacked 5 times over. But here we go again, another season of his bullshit coming up.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

That Ty bloke supports Arsene Wenger, not Arsenal.

I know he's got problems but Claude needs to lay off the burgers and cakes ....... the guy is enormous now. Almost as big as Robbie.

[Niall_Quinn]

I know he's got problems but Claude needs to lay off the burgers and cakes ....... the guy is enormous now. Almost as big as Robbie.

Claude's a bit of a loon I think. He might gave fallen on his head at some point.

[Özim]

http://news.arseblog.com/2016/08/mustafis-agent-confirms-arsenal-agreement/

Terrible news for those thinking we would never buy a CB.

I'll raise you

http://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-reach-musfai-agreement-confirms-agent

[Özim]

That Ty bloke supports Arsene Wenger, not Arsenal.

Last season he was convinced that Wenger would buy a striker, not a mention of it now of course.

[Marc Overmars]

My gosh what is wrong with this guy?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVXDKnEcTOg

There's an interview with Claude where he talks about his depression and having nothing in his life apart from Arsenal. Goes some way to explain his outbursts, it's a shame he's become a comedic figure because when he isn't losing his rag he makes some rational points most would agree with. I love the club but I'm pretty grateful to be able to separate it from my personal life!

That TY bloke though, proper clown he is. He must do it for the views because there's no way someone who goes to literally every game can be so oblivious to what he's seeing every week.

[Gooner23]

There's an interview with Claude where he talks about his depression and having nothing in his life apart from Arsenal. Goes some way to explain his outbursts, it's a shame he's become a comedic figure because when he isn't losing his rag he makes some rational points most would agree with.

That TY bloke though, proper clown he is. He must do it for the views because there's no way someone who goes to literally every game can be so oblivious to what he's seeing every week.

Wenger does a pretty good job of it..

[LDG]

Wenger does a pretty good job of it..

:lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's an interview with Claude where he talks about his depression and having nothing in his life apart from Arsenal. Goes some way to explain his outbursts, it's a shame he's become a comedic figure because when he isn't losing his rag he makes some rational points most would agree with. I love the club but I'm pretty grateful to be able to separate it from my personal life!

That TY bloke though, proper clown he is. He must do it for the views because there's no way someone who goes to literally every game can be so oblivious to what he's seeing every week.

I appreciate Claude has a lot of demons, but ultimately whose fault it is if he has nothing in his life than Arsenal?. Yeah it's hard to understand Ty's almost insufferable optimism....but it's up to him at the end of the day.....if he's happy with what he's seeing to be fair it's not really anyone's business to tell him he shouldn't be.

[Özim]

I appreciate Claude has a lot of demons, but ultimately whose fault it is if he has nothing in his life than Arsenal?. Yeah it's hard to understand Ty's almost insufferable optimism....but it's up to him at the end of the day.....if he's happy with what he's seeing to be fair it's not really anyone's business to tell him he shouldn't be.

Trouble is he voices it publicly so I'm not sure that so true in this scenario, this guy is so deluded though, as NQ said he doesn't support Arsenal he supports AW, despite years of evidence proving he's not up to it anymore and makes a lot of errors, that's ignoring the fact that Ty acknowledged we needed a striker and that AW was definitely buying one in the summer, low and behold no striker.

He also talks about if we don't get too many injuries, well as we all know that's pretty much an impossibility, 10 years of the same should teach these people something, we'll get loads of injuries as usual, in fact we already have plenty and the season hasn't even started so how the guy has the audacity to even say that is beyond me.

[Özim]

There's an interview with Claude where he talks about his depression and having nothing in his life apart from Arsenal. Goes some way to explain his outbursts, it's a shame he's become a comedic figure because when he isn't losing his rag he makes some rational points most would agree with. I love the club but I'm pretty grateful to be able to separate it from my personal life!

That TY bloke though, proper clown he is. He must do it for the views because there's no way someone who goes to literally every game can be so oblivious to what he's seeing every week.

I agree Claude is a troubled soul with only Arsenal in his life, to some extent you can overlook some of the stuff he says, but that Ty guy has no excuse, he just supports the manager and not the club, as long as the manager stays he's happy, it's kinda weird.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Trouble is he voices it publicly so I'm not sure that so true in this scenario, this guy is so deluded though, as NQ said he doesn't support Arsenal he supports AW, despite years of evidence proving he's not up to it anymore and makes a lot of errors, that's ignoring the fact that Ty acknowledged we needed a striker and that AW was definitely buying one in the summer, low and behold no striker.

He also talks about if we don't get too many injuries, well as we all know that's pretty much an impossibility, 10 years of the same should teach these people something, we'll get loads of injuries as usual, in fact we already have plenty and the season hasn't even started so how the guy has the audacity to even say that is beyond me.

I think you are confusing calling someone's opinion wrong...which of course everyone has the right to do, and thinking someone shouldn't have the right to hold a certain opinion and that they should believe something else.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I agree Claude is a troubled soul with only Arsenal in his life, to some extent you can overlook some of the stuff he says, but that Ty guy has no excuse, he just supports the manager and not the club, as long as the manager stays he's happy, it's kinda weird.

He doesn't have to have an excuse, he's not the one who constantly rants and raves and swears and makes enigmatic references to ending it all on social media.....he simply holds an opinion that you or I think is totally misguided and has no grounding in reality.

[Özim]

I think you are confusing calling someone's opinion wrong...which of course everyone has the right to do, and thinking someone shouldn't have the right to hold a certain opinion and that they should believe something else.

I'm saying that if you voice your opinions publicly then you will be judged on them much more than if you voice them to to people you know, this guy seems happy with the exposure, but his views are very extreme and will be heavily scrutinised, if you have extreme points of view, as much as it's your right, it's usually best not to voice them to everyone via the media, because to many you may come across as a little nuts.

[Özim]

He doesn't have to have an excuse, he's not the one who constantly rants and raves and swears and makes enigmatic references to ending it all on social media.....he simply holds an opinion that you or I think is totally misguided and has no grounding in reality.

If he voice's it on media however, he's not just telling people he knows.

[Letters]

I appreciate Claude has a lot of demons, but ultimately whose fault it is if he has nothing in his life than Arsenal?
Wait...I know this one. Wenger? Is it Wenger?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If he voice's it on media however, he's not just telling people he knows.

Again you seem to think that i am stating he shouldn't be the subject of ridicule, that's in no way what i am saying

What i find more interesting is the anger he seems to generate, as somehow he has less right to express that opinion because it's considered to be ridiculous

To turn what you've said on it's head , Claude clearly has mental health issues and has nothing else going on in his life that's why he's so angry with Ty....what's your excuse?

[Özim]

Again you seem to think that i am stating he shouldn't be the subject of ridicule, that's in no way what i am saying

What i find more interesting is the anger he seems to generate, as somehow he has less right to express that opinion because it's considered to be ridiculous

To turn what you've said on it's head , Claude clearly has mental health issues and has nothing else going on in his life that's why he's so angry with Ty....what's your excuse?

Claude makes valid points at times based on how we perform, Ty never does, it's always blind support which isn't based on anything tangible, that's the difference hence the reason I ask what's his excuse.

[Letters]

He doesn't need an excuse. He's allowed an opinion as are we all. The only difference is he expresses his more publicly and is thus more subject to ridicule.
:shrug:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Claude makes valid points at times based on how we perform, Ty never does, it's always blind support which isn't based on anything tangible, that's the difference hence the reason I ask what's his excuse.

My point is his opinions to you are nonsensical (they are to me in truth)

The difference is i don't get angry or annoyed for him expressing them, Claude's excuse for doing it is his depressive mindset...what is yours?

[Özim]

My point is his opinions to you are nonsensical (they are to me in truth)

The difference is i don't get angry or annoyed for him expressing them, Claude's excuse for doing it is his depressive mindset...what is yours?

I don't angry, I just think he's deluded and it's people like him who stop change occurring.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't angry, I just think he's deluded and it's people like him who stop change occurring.

If his view is so ridiculous how could it possibly stop change occurring?

I imagine people who still want Wenger at the club think Ty is a bit of a joke. He's a regular on AFTV because people like him as a foil for Claude....and that's the basis of it he's there for entertainment value because they know he is red rag to a bull to Claude and if they weren't shouting at each other less people would watch it.

To call him a barrier to change i think is just as ridiculous as any opinion he has uttered himself, and it rather suggests that you take him and his opinion rather more seriously than you purport to.

[Power n Glory]

I don't angry, I just think he's deluded and it's people like him who stop change occurring.

We need to stop that. It's not the fans that's a problem.

[Özim]

If his view is so ridiculous how could it possibly stop change occurring?

I imagine people who still want Wenger at the club think Ty is a bit of a joke. He's a regular on AFTV because people like him as a foil for Claude....and that's the basis of it he's there for entertainment value because they know he is red rag to a bull to Claude and if they weren't shouting at each other less people would watch it.

To call him a barrier to change i think is just as ridiculous as any opinion he has uttered himself, and it rather suggests that you take him and his opinion rather more seriously than you purport to.

By supporting Wenger, if fans wanted him out he'd have nowhere to go, right now too many still support him. There's a fair few people like him, blind to what's actually happening, we saw it last season and their support makes it pretty easy for the hierarchy to keep Wenger on. If most fans were against him, making their feelings known every match his position would soon become untenable.

[Özim]

We need to stop that. It's not the fans that's a problem.

They are part of the problem, if Wenger continues to have support from what seems like a fair amount of the matchday fan base what incentive is there to move him on, the board don't want him gone but if he has fan support they'll be under no pressure to get rid.

Wenger has is easy he really does, doesn't matter how poor his performance is there's still groups of oblivious people happy to support him through thick and thin, it's odd.

The board aren't going to change things, why would they, the only way it could possibly happen is if they feel pressure to, right now there is none.

[Kano]

The board aren't going to change things - so if the fans did, what would happen next? Different manager, same board, same approach to things. Which means fasle pretensions of challenging for the big titles, exactly as we are now.

And if the fans are the problem, then Wenger was right :bow:

[Power n Glory]

They are part of the problem, if Wenger continues to have support from what seems like a fair amount of the matchday fan base what incentive is there to move him on, the board don't want him gone but if he has fan support they'll be under no pressure to get rid.

Wenger has is easy he really does, doesn't matter how poor his performance is there's still groups of oblivious people happy to support him through thick and thin, it's odd.

The board aren't going to change things, why would they, the only way it could possibly happen is if they feel pressure to, right now there is none.

Claude still attends games though, right? There are a lot of fans that are frustrated with Wenger and that club that still attend games and remain silent.

But either way, fans turning against each other leaves us in a shit situation. Wenger tried to blame the fans for why we're losing games and it's not right. The more finger pointing that goes on between fans will mean we'll probably get more people digging their heels in to support Wenger just so they're not seen to be supporting the 'anti' Wenger fans. We'd be creating a bigger problem.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

By supporting Wenger, if fans wanted him out he'd have nowhere to go, right now too many still support him. There's a fair few people like him, blind to what's actually happening, we saw it last season and their support makes it pretty easy for the hierarchy to keep Wenger on. If most fans were against him, making their feelings known every match his position would soon become untenable.

He's one individual, Ty supporting Wenger has no bearing on whether other people support Wenger or not.

And again you seem to have this notion of how because he appears on an on-line tv channel his opinion carries any weight, Arsenal Fan TV is the Arsenal equivalent of the Muppet Show or Police Academy.....Moh, Claude, Ty, Bully, DT these people are all caricatures...they aren't representatives of the fan base or ambassadors for the club.

[Özim]

The board aren't going to change things - so if the fans did, what would happen next? Different manager, same board, same approach to things. Which means fasle pretensions of challenging for the big titles, exactly as we are now.

And if the fans are the problem, then Wenger was right :bow:

The fans are obviously not the problem, but by supporting this regime they encourage it, if all fans were united in wanting change we may see it, without this we could see Wenger here for another 5 years, he shows no signs of wanting to retire, indeed he's already questioned how Ferguson can live without management.

Change has to start somewhere and being in denial isn't going to do it.

[Özim]

He's one individual, Ty supporting Wenger has no bearing on whether other people support Wenger or not.

And again you seem to have this notion of how because he appears on an on-line tv channel his opinion carries any weight, Arsenal Fan TV is the Arsenal equivalent of the Muppet Show or Police Academy.....Moh, Claude, Ty, Bully, DT these people are all caricatures...they aren't representatives of the fan base or ambassadors for the club.

He's representative of the people we saw last season supporting Wenger, the same people singing Wenger's name and fighting with those who want him out.

His opinion doesn't carry any weight, it's just representative of the pro Wenger fans sadly, quite frankly at tthis stage noone should be pro Wenger anymore after his years of failure. You wouldn't see this nonsense at any other club in the world, let alone a big club.

This club has failed to deliver since 2004, that's a fact, in real terms as big club we just haven't performed or produced the success we should and were setup for, that's largely due to Wenger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They are part of the problem, if Wenger continues to have support from what seems like a fair amount of the matchday fan base what incentive is there to move him on, the board don't want him gone but if he has fan support they'll be under no pressure to get rid.

Wenger has is easy he really does, doesn't matter how poor his performance is there's still groups of oblivious people happy to support him through thick and thin, it's odd.

The board aren't going to change things, why would they, the only way it could possibly happen is if they feel pressure to, right now there is none.

If what you are saying is true, these fans aren't blocking progress....they just don't want the progress that you want or don't agree with you about how it comes about.

I don't agree with them, but they pay to go to matches and they support Arsenal, unless you are implying they somehow are less of a supporter than you. Again if that's what you think, that's what you think....again along with your opinion that Ty is a barrier to change it's a pretty ridiculous one.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's representative of the people we saw last season supporting Wenger, the same people singing Wenger's name and fighting with those who want him out.

His opinion doesn't carry any weight, it's just representative of the pro Wenger fans sadly, quite frankly at tthis stage noone should be pro Wenger anymore after his years of failure. You wouldn't see this nonsense at any other club in the world, let alone a big club.

No-one should?.....that's quite proscriptive

I am glad you think you are in a position to tell people what they should think.

[Özim]

If what you are saying is true, these fans aren't blocking progress....they just don't want the progress that you want or don't agree with you about how it comes about.

I don't agree with them, but they pay to go to matches and they support Arsenal, unless you are implying they somehow are less of a supporter than you. Again if that's what you think, that's what you think....again along with your opinion that Ty is a barrier to change it's a pretty ridiculous one.

Yes they don't want Arsenal without Wenger and this means no progress to any fan with any common sense at all. Nothing will ever change with him in charge, we all know that, except it seems those who still support him.

This isn't my choice incidentally, it's the logical one after he has failed time and time again, indeed at any other club he would have been out on his ear many moons ago and rightly so.

[Özim]

No-one should?.....that's quite proscriptive

I am glad you think you are in a position to tell people what they should think.

I'm not telling anyone, it's common sense really, all based on tangible things, results and his ability to move this club forward, he has shown time and time and time again he can't, that's a fact not my opinion.

[Letters]

The fans are obviously not the problem, but by supporting this regime they encourage it, if all fans were united in wanting change we may see it, without this we could see Wenger here for another 5 years, he shows no signs of wanting to retire, indeed he's already questioned how Ferguson can live without management.

Change has to start somewhere and being in denial isn't going to do it.

This is why I keep saying people should stop going to games, stop buying the merchandise. And to solve the bigger problems stop buying the TV packages.
We do hold the power here but we can only exercise it en masse.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes they don't want Arsenal without Wenger and this means no progress to any fan with any common sense at all. Nothing will ever change with him in charge, we all know that, except it seems those who still support him.

This isn't my choice incidentally, it's the logical one after he has failed time and time again, indeed at any other club he would have been out on his ear many moons ago and rightly so.

So you are stating that these people would stop supporting Arsenal if Wenger was no longer the manager, pretty sure that's another claim you can't substantiate.

[Özim]

So you are stating that these people would stop supporting Arsenal if Wenger was no longer the manager, pretty sure that's another claim you can't substantiate.

I'm not saying anything, I'm saying they care about Wenger more than Arsenal, that's why they support him blindly despite the facts that's he's not good for Arsenal anymore.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not telling anyone, it's common sense really, all based on tangible things, results and his ability to move this club forward, he has shown time and time and time again he can't, that's a fact not my opinion.

At the risk of defending people whose opinion i don't agree with, the legitimate question they can ask is who can move the club forward. The consensus seems to be amongst Wenger out people that almost anyone can, i don't think Wenger can move the club forward but i am not that confident in there being many available candidates that can.
The name Diego Simeone was touted a lot last season, great if we can get him (well not great really because i find his football more dull than the football we play currently and although it's about winning, it is still an entertainment form), but my problem is that people are so fixated with getting Wenger out that they seem less concerned with who we should get in.
For me personally i think the board would spend it's time sounding out top potential replacements this season, do i think they will? No....and actually Wenger just walking away at the end of the season with no proper replacement lined up is for me as bad a prospect as him signing a contract extension.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not saying anything, I'm saying they care about Wenger more than Arsenal, that's why they support him blindly despite the facts that's he's not good for Arsenal anymore.

Again i think that's your opinion, i think they are more scared of change and prefer to fall back on the fact that we have a level of consistency under this manager. I think if Wenger goes they will be just as supportive and optimistic about the next manager

[Kano]

The fans are obviously not the problem, but by supporting this regime they encourage it, if all fans were united in wanting change we may see it, without this we could see Wenger here for another 5 years, he shows no signs of wanting to retire, indeed he's already questioned how Ferguson can live without management.

Change has to start somewhere and being in denial isn't going to do it.

Going back to th vicious cycle I pointed out above, this goes beyond Wenger. Yes a new manager will hopefully make more of what is at his disposal but being active in the transfer market is something that has been a constant throughout Wenger's time here. Win a PL title and don't go and buy to keep improving the squad which is a key reason we never won back to back titles. The owner won't change, Gazidis will remain - so we'll remain uncompetitive in the transfer field and always one or two steps behind winning the bigger trophies. The fans can only do so much and when we are finishing 2-4th each season, it's hard for paying fans to find real motivation to unseat Wenger. I can't think of another club that has done the same. And please don't compare is to City and Chavs because they are mercenary clubs of the worst kind.

[Özim]

At the risk of defending people whose opinion i don't agree with, the legitimate question they can ask is who can move the club forward. The consensus seems to be amongst Wenger out people that almost anyone can, i don't think Wenger can move the club forward but i am not that confident in there being many available candidates that can.
The name Diego Simeone was touted a lot last season, great if we can get him (well not great really because i find his football more dull than the football we play currently and although it's about winning, it is still an entertainment form), but my problem is that people are so fixated with getting Wenger out that they seem less concerned with who we should get in.
For me personally i think the board would spend it's time sounding out top potential replacements this season, do i think they will? No....and actually Wenger just walking away at the end of the season with no proper replacement lined up is for me as bad a prospect as him signing a contract extension.

We've had plenty of chances to replace him and there are plenty of better managers than him if we only looked, we don't though and what will happen is he'll hand pick some Wenger clone when he leaves which would be a disaster.

Other clubs replace their managers without a problem, why should we be any different, it seems to me it's always different for us to other clubs, we don't sign players because of this that or the other, other clubs do, we don't replace our manager because of this that or the other, other clubs do, it's this warped viewpoint again that we can't do what every other club has no problem doing, it's ingrained in this club and it's fans.

[Özim]

Again i think that's your opinion, i think they are more scared of change and prefer to fall back on the fact that we have a level of consistency under this manager. I think if Wenger goes they will be just as supportive and optimistic about the next manager

Why is that? Yes it's because Wenger and co have somehow made themselves irreplaceable, without them we can't possibly get 4th place or get knocked out of the CL in the last 16, so what, at any other big club those are non achievements and would result in being sacked and that's how it should be.

Fear of losing what we have, precisely nothing.

[Özim]

Going back to th vicious cycle I pointed out above, this goes beyond Wenger. Yes a new manager will hopefully make more of what is at his disposal but being active in the transfer market is something that has been a constant throughout Wenger's time here. Win a PL title and don't go and buy to keep improving the squad which is a key reason we never won back to back titles. The owner won't change, Gazidis will remain - so we'll remain uncompetitive in the transfer field and always one or two steps behind winning the bigger trophies. The fans can only do so much and when we are finishing 2-4th each season, it's hard for paying fans to find real motivation to unseat Wenger. I can't think of another club that has done the same. And please don't compare is to City and Chavs because they are mercenary clubs of the worst kind.

A new manager will want to do things his way (as long as Wenger has nothing to do with his appointment), he'll want to change the team, implement new tactics etc, things will certaily be more exciting which is a start. He'll also most likely rank winning as the main goal, unlike Wenger, as long as he's not a self appointed economist that is.

So yes it would make a difference for sure, right now things are stale, repetitive and very dull. Fans have made their opinions clear before at other clubs, if a manager was unpoular they made it clear and most didn't last long, without fan support a managers' position eventually becomes untenable.

[Letters]

I'm not saying anything, I'm saying they care about Wenger more than Arsenal, that's why they support him blindly despite the facts that's he's not good for Arsenal anymore.

You care (in the sense of having feelings) about Wenger more than Arsenal...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We've had plenty of chances to replace him and there are plenty of better managers than him if we only looked, we don't though and what will happen is he'll hand pick some Wenger clone when he leaves which would be a disaster.

Other clubs replace their managers without a problem, why should we be any different, it seems to me it's always different for us to other clubs, we don't sign players because of this that or the other, other clubs do, we don't replace our manager because of this that or the other, other clubs do, it's this warped viewpoint again that we can't do what every other club has no problem doing, it's ingrained in this club and it's fans.

It's more that anyone can identify a problem, identifying a solution is much more difficult

I can see now why you support Brexit, get rid of the "problem", think about the solution afterwards

[Özim]

You care (in the sense of having feelings) about Wenger more than Arsenal...

I don't but Wenger is making me care about Arsenal less, that's the problem.

[Özim]

It's more that anyone can identify a problem, identifying a solution is much more difficult

I can see now why you support Brexit, get rid of the "problem", think about the solution afterwards

Why can other clubs do it then if it's so hard, all the top clubs have new managers, they got rid of their previous ones and replaced them with what seem to be on the face of it decent solutions, why is it different for us, is it beause we've been lumbered with this guy and his intolerable ways for 20+ years and he's convinced everyone there is no life after Wenger?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't but Wenger is making me care about Arsenal less, that's the problem.

You obviously seem to care sufficiently to still get riled up on the subject or get frustrated with the opinions of peripheral individuals.

[Özim]

You obviously seem to care sufficiently to still get riled up on the subject or get frustrated with the opinions of peripheral individuals.

I'm just surprised at how blind some people can be, it's the attitude that if you ignore your problems they'll go away.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Why can other clubs do it then if it's so hard, all the top clubs have new managers, they got rid of their previous ones and replaced them with what seem to be on the face of it decent solutions, why is it different for us, is it beause we've been lumbered with this guy and his intolerable ways for 20+ years and he's convinced everyone there is no life after Wenger?

The length of time he's been at the club is a massive factor of course it is, i don't like the fact that the club in a footballing sense is built around the whims of one man....i don't accept that's how it should be. But i accept that being the way it is, you tend to have to be careful about your next move.

If a manager has been at the club two or three years replacing that man isn't an issue, Ferguson had less say in the every day running of the club than Wenger does with Arsenal and the Man United board made an absolute botch of replacing him, and even now are they really that stable long term?....look at the atrocious mess Mourinho left Chelsea in

You may be happy to chop and change every few years like Chelsea, actually winning trophies despite rather than because of that policy....All i'm saying is fine we can do better than Wenger, let's make sure we do the research prepare the groundwork and bring the better person in.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm just surprised at how blind some people can be, it's the attitude that if you ignore your problems they'll go away.

You obviously don't speak to many people, we are all guilty of cognitive dissonance over some aspect of our lives it's human nature.

I shouldn't smoke i have all the information to know that it has a gradual detrimental effect on my health, but if anyone other than a family member or a doctor told me that i shouldn't smoke, i'd tell them where to go.

I get angry when it involves my Dad not looking after his own health, when it comes to someone holding an opinion i think is a bit silly i tend to let it wash over me

[Özim]

The length of time he's been at the club is a massive factor of course it is, i don't like the fact that the club in a footballing sense is built around the whims of one man....i don't accept that's how it should be. But i accept that being the way it is, you tend to have to be careful about your next move.

If a manager has been at the club two or three years replacing that man isn't an issue, Ferguson had less say in the every day running of the club than Wenger does with Arsenal and the Man United board made an absolute botch of replacing him, and even now are they really that stable long term?....look at the atrocious mess Mourinho left Chelsea in

You may be happy to chop and change every few years like Chelsea, actually winning trophies despite rather than because of that policy....All i'm saying is fine we can do better than Wenger, let's make sure we do the research prepare the groundwork and bring the better person in.

I suspect that Wenger will be heavily involved in the choice of our next manager as it stands, which would be terrible news.

[Letters]

I'm just surprised at how blind some people can be, it's the attitude that if you ignore your problems they'll go away.
So you're saying there's no point in just ignoring you? ;)

[KSE Comedy Club]

Wenger has shown his contempt for the captaincy by making mertz captain despite him being out until next year.

[Kano]

Didn't that happen before his injury?

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Wenger has never given much stock to the captaincy though. Remember his quote about having "11 captains/leaders" on the pitch ...... I don't necessarily disagree with him either. A strong captain would be nice but it's not essential.

He views it just as a formality more than anything and gives it out simply based on seniority usually.


Anyway I assume Santi will be captain for most of the season, followed by Kos.

[KSE Comedy Club]

I don't know, the article is on sky sports news app today :shrug:

[KSE Comedy Club]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10534230/injured-per-mertesacker-succeeds-mikel-arteta-as-arsenal-club-captain

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Think it was officially confirmed today but it was reported about a month ago around the start of pre-season. Merts was next in line and Wenger was never going to take it away from him.

[Kano]

There's a first team captain as well I think. Arteta was club captain and Merts first team last season?

[Letters]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/arsenal-relegation-to-be-this-years-premier-league-feelgood-story-20160818112539

:lol:

Vincibes!

[Power n Glory]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3752567/amp/Patrick-Vieira-believes-Arsenal-lack-personality-former-captain-hits-Arsene-Wenger-shunning-ex-players-coaching-roles.html?client=ms-android-samsung

Vieira again.

I thought Tony Adams was offered a coaching role? Thks piece says he's off gone to China.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/23/arsenal-legend-tony-adams-snubs-arsene-wengers-offer-to-coach-un/


Arsenal legend Tony Adams snubs Arsene Wenger's offer to coach Under-18s and instead takes job in China

Arsene Wenger's decision not to allow Thierry Henry to combine his Sky television commitments with coaching Arsenal’s Under-18s has backfired further after it emerged Tony Adams has turned down the same role with the club to take a job in China

So it's true. I had no idea.

[selassie]

https://amp.twimg.com/v/87d93da4-0dc9-4608-ac93-be9ce17f28b3

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3752567/amp/Patrick-Vieira-believes-Arsenal-lack-personality-former-captain-hits-Arsene-Wenger-shunning-ex-players-coaching-roles.html?client=ms-android-samsung

Vieira again.

I thought Tony Adams was offered a coaching role? Thks piece says he's off gone to China.

This happened a while ago. Nobody os significance will want a job at Arsenal following the way Henry was dispatched. It may have been true that Henry was suffering a conflict of interests, but the way things became public is a massive indictment of Arsenal. Ultimately Wenger is a control freak. Control freaks are very unpleasant to be around and limit greatly the ability for personal advancement. Adams probably saw that and thought, tons of cash, no Arsene, this isn't even a choice.

[Marc Overmars]

Anyone going to the legends game on Saturday?

Henry and Bergkamp have both pulled out. :(

[Kano]

Was going to go but only for my son to see Henry in an Arsenal shirt. Bullet dodged there then.

[Letters]

Anyone going to the legends game on Saturday?

Henry and Bergkamp have both pulled out. :(

Oh piss off! :doh:

Yes, I'm going. Was looking forward to remembering when we were any good. Who do we have to make do with, Parlour and Perry Groves? :fury:

[Marc Overmars]

Still Pires tbf.

And Maldini. :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Full squad

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160830/legends-of-arsenal-to-face-milan-glorie

[Letters]

Wenger out :angry:

[Kano]

Oh piss off! :doh:

Yes, I'm going. Was looking forward to remembering when we were any good. Who do we have to make do with, Parlour and Perry Groves? :fury:

Someone should have dug up Martin Hayes so he could hit the post again from one yard out :angry:

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Rosicky re-signs for Sparta Prague.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37219349

Glad he's found a club.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone going to the legends game on Saturday?

Henry and Bergkamp have both pulled out. :(

That's fucking shit tbh. There will be a load of kids going specifically to see those two. Really poor show unless they both have an exceptional excuse, and I know Henry doesn't because he was pissing around on TV just the other day.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh piss off! :doh:

Yes, I'm going. Was looking forward to remembering when we were any good. Who do we have to make do with, Parlour and Perry Groves? :fury:

Pascal Cygan has been confirmed as one - and I'm not kidding. But good on him for turning up at short notice. Fans are demanding their money back, according to the metro. Probably 2 fans, but still - it's a scoop dammit!

[Marc Overmars]

That's fucking shit tbh. There will be a load of kids going specifically to see those two. Really poor show unless they both have an exceptional excuse, and I know Henry doesn't because he was pissing around on TV just the other day.

Henry is working with Belgium but no idea about Dennis.

[Niall_Quinn]

Henry is working with Belgium but no idea about Dennis.

Exactly. Working with Belgium. That's not even in the appendix of lame excuses.

[Letters]

Pascal Cygan has been confirmed as one - and I'm not kidding. But good on him for turning up at short notice. Fans are demanding their money back, according to the metro. Probably 2 fans, but still - it's a scoop dammit!

Cygan and Grimandi :lol:

:ilt:

It was only £20 but still, Bergkamp and Henry can piss off, frankly. They're the reason loads of people bought tickets.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Henry is coaching with the Belgian national team. :blink:

[Penguin]

Rosicky re-signs for Sparta Prague.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37219349

Glad he's found a club.

I wonder if anyone has told him he can go to hospitals for medical treatment instead of football clubs. Mind, HE gets paid to get the treatment at the clubs so I guess it's not too bad of a deal for him :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

The game is actually very entertaining. Great to see all the old faces. Proper players. And Overmars is still better than Theo.

[GP]

Patrice :bow:

:patrice:

[Niall_Quinn]

Kan-ooooooooooooo!

Still class.

[Globalgunner]

Kan-ooooooooooooo!

Still class.

Possibly better than Giroud. Wenger sign him up. He`s still only 35.

[Niall_Quinn]

Freddie to Robert :bow:

[Globalgunner]

Great game. kanu still class, Pires still dreamy.
Wenger in?

[Kano]

https://youtu.be/lf0YXK6tQrM


Wenger :bow:

[Letters]

The game is actually very entertaining. Great to see all the old faces. Proper players. And Overmars is still better than Theo.

It was lots of fun actually. Freddie's still got it.
Kanoooooo :bow:

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrcVT0PWAAApdvK.jpg:large

Cygan :bow:

Winterburn/Di canio :bow:

Pires and Ljungberg linking up and scoring a classic :bow:

Justin Hoyte :bow: :bow: :bow:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Crf8IUfXgAEju9b.jpg

:upset:

[Gooner23]

Where's Bobby's hair? Still handsome as fuck though.

Invincibles :clap: Still feel lucky to have been able to watch that side live, who knows when / if we'll ever have a team as good as that again?

[Marc Overmars]

It was good fun yesterday. Freddie and Bobby rolling back the years for the 4th goal. :bow:

Both still in really good shape. Sign them up!

[Globalgunner]

It was good fun yesterday. Freddie and Bobby rolling back the years for the 4th goal. :bow:

Both still in really good shape. Sign them up!

MO. I saw you yesterday. Need to lose a few pounds.

[Chippy]

The game is actually very entertaining. Great to see all the old faces. Proper players. And Overmars is still better than Theo.

I was sitting behind the bench yesterday and had a really good time! Mind you, did anyone see Anders Limpar? Man, he has aged! He was so good in his day! Parlour went off after four minutes. Wtf!
I also saw and spoke to the man that does the Arsenal TV interviews, nice guy.

[Marc Overmars]

MO. I saw you yesterday. Need to lose a few pounds.

:lol:

The real MO is a right fatty now. Still has that little burst of pace though, just a shame his hammy went!

Awesome to see these guys again though.

I bet Justin Hoyte couldn't believe his luck...

[Niall_Quinn]

I was sitting behind the bench yesterday and had a really good time! Mind you, did anyone see Anders Limpar? Man, he has aged! He was so good in his day! Parlour went off after four minutes. Wtf!
I also saw and spoke to the man that does the Arsenal TV interviews, nice guy.

He signed in 1990, 26 years ago. Can you believe that? Good on him for still being able to get on a pitch and play at a decent level.

Manu Petit was class as well. Still getting stuck-in in the middle.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

I bet Justin Hoyte couldn't believe his luck...

Wasn't Lauren available? :lol:

[Master Splinter]

Wasn't Lauren available? :lol:

Or Eboue?

Eboue :bow: :bow:.

[Letters]

Yeah, Limpar did look old but he is 50! I was explaining to my brother-in-law, who I went with (Limpar is a bit before his time), how in those days it was rare to have a foreign player and see someone playing for Arsenal who was actually very good technically as a player.

[LDG]

Super Swede :bow:

[Grebbo]

Was a really fun day.

Anyone know if Wrighty was invited? Would've been great to see him.

Tony Adams never does any of these events. I get the feeling he's a miserable sod and thinks Arsenal owe him. I don't think he even came to Bergkamp's testimonial did he??

[Marc Overmars]

I think Adams has had frosty relationship with the club for many years now. I remember a story back in the day about him not being allowed to give a talk on addiction or rehab at the club, or something along those lines. No idea really, he's always been a bit of an oddball though.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Bendtner about to sign for Nottingham Forest. :lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37288136

Oh how the mighty have fallen. We play them in a few weeks in the league cup as well ....... reunion time! :lol:


I think Adams has had frosty relationship with the club for many years now. I remember a story back in the day about him not being allowed to give a talk on addiction or rehab at the club, or something along those lines. No idea really, he's always been a bit of an oddball though.

Didn't we offer him Henry's role coaching at the club only for him to refuse and instead head of to China for more money?

Even though he's a club legend his post career decisions haven't been blighted with successes.

[Maestro]

The top 10 highest paid managers in the world

1. Pep Guardiola: £15.9m-a-year
2. Carlo Ancelotti: £12.6m-a-year
3. Jose Mourinho: £12.3m-a-year
4. Arsene Wenger: £8.9m-a-year
5. Luis Enrique: £7.2m-a-year
6. Jurgen Klopp: £7m-a-year
7. Antonio Conte: £6.6m-a-year
8. Ronald Koeman: £6m-a-year
9. Diego Simeone: £5.1m-a-year
10. Zinedine Zidane: £4.6m-a-year

[Maestro]

The top 10 highest paid managers in the world

1. Pep Guardiola: £15.9m-a-year
2. Carlo Ancelotti: £12.6m-a-year
3. Jose Mourinho: £12.3m-a-year
4. Arsene Wenger: £8.9m-a-year
5. Luis Enrique: £7.2m-a-year
6. Jurgen Klopp: £7m-a-year
7. Antonio Conte: £6.6m-a-year
8. Ronald Koeman: £6m-a-year
9. Diego Simeone: £5.1m-a-year
10. Zinedine Zidane: £4.6m-a-year

Always finds a way to make the top four, you have to hand it to him

[Kano]

Nine million pound man :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Always finds a way to make the top four, you have to hand it to him

They do hand it to him - over fist. And nothing required in return.

Sweet!

[Marc Overmars]

Eddie Howe in line to replace Wenger rumour doing the rounds.

[GP]

Saw that rumour last season.

Would be typically Arsenal.

[Kano]

We should get Jonny Evans.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Eddie Howe in line to replace Wenger rumour doing the rounds.

And this is exactly why I don't trust the board to do the right thing when Wenger goes

I don't want change for the sake of it, if that's the best they can offer id rather keep the fossil

[Niall_Quinn]

Eddie Howe in line to replace Wenger rumour doing the rounds.

Has anyone ever traced that back to source? It would be remarkable if a manager with virtually no experience was brought in to pick up where a manager with more experience than anyone else leaves off. Howe might be an excellent up and coming prospect (I don't know much about the bloke at all), but can a club like Arsenal afford to give him the time to find his legs in the very top flight? At the very least it would mean major change in the role of manager, which would be a good think of course. The new guy would have to be focused entirely on the team with all those other duties left to others. But then when you look at who those "others" currently are, it's difficult to see how they'd cope. So maybe the real indicator of a change will be when we see experienced people coming in to pick up the non-team related stuff.

Personally I believe Wenger will award himself another 3 year contract. The board would jump at such an easy solution and all it will take to pull it off is a small patch of decent form and results.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1862/premier-league/2016/09/08/27300082/alexis-i-am-as-good-as-messi-ronaldo


The Chile international does not believe he is inferior to any other player and feels his abilities match those of the two most recent Ballon d'Or winners

Discuss.

[Marc Overmars]

No problem with having confidence, he's certainly capable of producing moments like they do.

Though if he was regarded by others as being on their level, he probably wouldn't be playing for us and wouldn't have been sold by Barcelona.

[Özim]

He's not as good, had his chance to prove he was at the same level when he was at Barca and he was vastly outperformed and outscored by Messi, he's a very good player no doubt but certainly not at their level.

I don't think he'll ever be a realistic candidate for the ballo d'or, you've have to be extaordinary to get that.

[Power n Glory]

I'd usually agree with that but considering he's a two time Copa America winner and Messi chokes when it comes to internationals......maybe Alexis has a point. :lol:

He needs to step his game up for us this season but I wonder what his career would be like if the team was built around him.

[Özim]

It's a team game though, one player doesn't usually win you a tournament, what they do though is produce goals, create chances which the top top players do in abundance.

With all due respect to the Copa America it's not the hardest competition to win, teams that get nowhere in the World cup often win it or do very well.

Messi and Ronaldo score a hatful (Ronaldo scored loads in England too) and also score plenty in the CL.

If he gets 35-40 odd goals in a season and drags us from the edge of defeat a few times with his goals/performances then we can start talking about him being as good as them.

[GP]

He's an exceptional player. One of the best and we're lucky to have him.

[Kano]

No he isn't but Messnaldo's bar is freakish and way above the norm of what we've seen for years. Take them out of the equation then sure, he'd have a genuine shout at the best player trophy. He's an exceptional player, we're really lucky to have him playing in our shirt and should enjoy it while it lasts. Love his confidence and that's the sort of belief you want to hear from your star players.

[Power n Glory]

It's a team game though, one player doesn't usually win you a tournament, what they do though is produce goals, create chances which the top top players do in abundance.

With all due respect to the Copa America it's not the hardest competition to win, teams that get nowhere in the World cup often win it or do very well.

Messi and Ronaldo score a hatful (Ronaldo scored loads in England too) and also score plenty in the CL.

If he gets 35-40 odd goals in a season and drags us from the edge of defeat a few times with his goals/performances then we can start talking about him being as good as them.

It’s definitely a team game which is why I wonder what Alexis would do if he had his own team and better manager working with him. I don’t hold too much against him at Barca because Messi runs the show there.

If the Copa America isn’t that hard to win then why hasn’t Messi won it before. Last time Argentina won it was in the early 90s so I’m sure he wants it.

I question Messi’s pedigree a little because he has it made for him at Barca. I prefer him over Ronaldo. Style of play wise anyway. Touch, dribbling….excellent. But I rate Ronaldo higher because of what he did at Utd and what he’s been doing at Real and recently winning the Euros. It’s all not on his own of course but going to different teams, being out of your comfort zone and still winning and performing at a high level says a lot.

Back to Sanchez, winning back to back Copa Americas…I think he’d be up there as a Balon D’Or candidate if he wasn’t playing for Arsenal or if we’d perform better domestically and in the CL. Henry would have won the awards if weren’t so crap in the CL and I think Bergkamp should have had his moment up there also.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It’s definitely a team game which is why I wonder what Alexis would do if he had his own team and better manager working with him. I don’t hold too much against him at Barca because Messi runs the show there.

If the Copa America isn’t that hard to win then why hasn’t Messi won it before. Last time Argentina won it was in the early 90s so I’m sure he wants it.

I question Messi’s pedigree a little because he has it made for him at Barca. I prefer him over Ronaldo. Style of play wise anyway. Touch, dribbling….excellent. But I rate Ronaldo higher because of what he did at Utd and what he’s been doing at Real and recently winning the Euros. It’s all not on his own of course but going to different teams, being out of your comfort zone and still winning and performing at a high level says a lot.

Back to Sanchez, winning back to back Copa Americas…I think he’d be up there as a Balon D’Or candidate if he wasn’t playing for Arsenal or if we’d perform better domestically and in the CL. Henry would have won the awards if weren’t so crap in the CL and I think Bergkamp should have had his moment up there also.

Well there is no question that he isn't a fraction of the player he is for Argentina that he is for Barcelona, but as good as Neymar and Suarez are I'm not sure either could surpass the sheer volume of goals that Messi has scored for Barca.

Personally I have never understood why Argentina has not won another World Cup since 1986 as it's often had absolute top personnel but it appears that they've not had the winning mentality to go with it.

I actually think in the last thirty years (since Maradonna single handedly won them the World Cup, a feat as you point out Messi has been incapable of) they have been the biggest under achievers in world football with some of the talent they've produced.

But then maybe I've answered my own question, the difference between Maradonna and Messi is as well as being a top player and goal scorer he was a big personality and a leader on the pitch, that's something don't see in Messi.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I don't think he is near the two freaks level but what a superb player he is and I like that he always believes he can be better.

[Marc Overmars]

Ozil and Sanchez contract talks underway.

Reportedly Alexis has asked for a release clause.

[Chippy]

Ozil and Sanchez contract talks underway.

Reportedly Alexis has asked for a release clause.

Can't blame him TBH. If Wumger extends his contract, he will leave.

[Goonermerree]

Ozil and Sanchez contract talks underway.

Reportedly Alexis has asked for a release clause.

I used to think that getting CL football meant that the better players would come to your club. Not so anymore, money talks. Both Zlatan and Pogba went to a non CL club, Chelsea also got players and so did City before they qualified although I don't suppose that was very much in doubt. Add to the money the fact that players have observed Arsenal in the CL, and we end up with mediocrity.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil and Sanchez contract talks underway.

Reportedly Alexis has asked for a release clause.

That article also claims Alexis has been promised the central role provided he's prepared to accept being rotated from time to time. Could explain why he started centrally on Tuesday. Not sure how a journo would find out about such things, but if true then we really are heading towards a team that picks itself, what with Ospina's agreement. Who's next?

[Goonermerree]

That article also claims Alexis has been promised the central role provided he's prepared to accept being rotated from time to time. Could explain why he started centrally on Tuesday. Not sure how a journo would find out about such things, but if true then we really are heading towards a team that picks itself, what with Ospina's agreement. Who's next?

What's Ospina's agreement, getting to play in the CL?

[Niall_Quinn]

What's Ospina's agreement, getting to play in the CL?

Supposedly. What other reason could there be for not starting your number one keeper in Europe? Wenger has a long track record of appeasing players and caving to their demands to keep them here. He's tossed away the captaincy in the past, just for that purpose. And it never works but he never learns. If the wads of cash being chucked at players isn't enough to encourage them to win a place in the team by being better than the other guy on a more consistent basis then let them go. Pander to one and you might as well pander to all. We saw how it should actually work last season. Wenger still pandered in the CL and it was a disaster. But then Cech got injured and Ospina got his chance and played a good number of games, exactly how it should be for a backup player. With our injury record everyone gets a turn in the end. No need for special arrangements.

[Power n Glory]

Ozil and Sanchez contract talks underway.

Reportedly Alexis has asked for a release clause.

ESPN say talks are going well with Ozil and he seems happy but not with Sanchez.

Add this up with Alexis talking about being as good as Messi/Ronaldo, winning the Balon D'Or...I can't see him signing a new deal. If he believe he's just as good and the manager backs that, he'll want the pay and accolades to back that up.

[Kano]

I used to think that getting CL football meant that the better players would come to your club. Not so anymore, money talks. Both Zlatan and Pogba went to a non CL club, Chelsea also got players and so did City before they qualified although I don't suppose that was very much in doubt. Add to the money the fact that players have observed Arsenal in the CL, and we end up with mediocrity.

Man Utd are Man U though pretty prestigious in recent years and not a dinosaur club like AC or Inter, or Liverpool are threatening to become. And they have Maureen as manager, someone players still seem to like. The money helps of course. Chelsea didn't really buy anyone that stands out, they were just quick off the mark with Kante and it's a step up for that young striker from Belgium. City as you say, were always going to qualify and with Pep there, it makes all the difference.

No idea about these contracts. The other day it was 'Ozil looks like he wants to leave' now he's negotiating a contract. Alexis wanted the same last season after our 2-2 with Spuds, yet now he's the bigger favourite to leave. If the press cover every eventuality, at some point they'll get it right and can pat themselves on the back.

[Penguin]

If Sanchez leaves I can't see Ozil being too happy with signing a 3 year extension, and vice versa. The negotiations might be at a stalemate because of that, or maybe they are both going to wait and see how this season goes before they decide. Might drag on for a while.

[Niall_Quinn]

Of course it would be helpful if Wenger would declare his own plans. Is he going or staying? Surely that factors into the decisions these players are making? Maybe he's let them know behind the scenes? You would hope so. It would clear a lot of the tension if he'd let the fans know too.

[Özim]

I think the likes of Sanchez are probably thinking about winning trophies now and our underwhelming summer transfers and poor start to the season aren't going to convince them that's going to happen here.

What really sells clubs to big players is ambition and a belief that they can win the big prizes, I think those players must have realised by now it's not going to happen here, what helped us to sign them in the 1st place was the fact they needed to leave their ecxisting clubs as they were surplus to requirements, Sanchez must be seeing us as a stepping stone to a more successful club.

Fans are frustrated by this club, no doubt the top players are too, the club as a whole just isn't hnugry enough to deliver success on the pitch. When we brought them here we surely would have known we had a limited time to prove we're going to challenge for the big prizes and are ambitious, we've clearly failed on both scores.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think the likes of Sanchez are probably thinking about winning trophies now and our underwhelming summer transfers and poor start to the season aren't going to convince them that's going to happen here.

What really sells clubs to big players is ambition and a belief that they can win the big prizes, I think those players must have realised by now it's not going to happen here, what helped us to sign them in the 1st place was the fact they needed to leave their ecxisting clubs as they were surplus to requirements, Sanchez must be seeing us as a stepping stone to a more successful club.

Fans are frustrated by this club, no doubt the top players are too, the club as a whole just isn't hnugry enough to deliver success on the pitch. When we brought them here we surely would have known we had a limited time to prove we're going to challenge for the big prizes and are ambitious, we've clearly failed on both scores.

That could all change if one man decides to do the club a massive favour and fuck off. This is a critical season. Big players deciding their futures and the bloke that drowns all ambition entering the final year of his contract. What will he do, what's good for him or what's right for the club? Then again, I guess he believes his mere presence is a gift direct from God. He's modestly denied being an emissary from the heavens, but not in a convincing manner.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger won't leave unless he's made to feel unwelcome and his hand forced. I can live with Ozil and Sanchez leaving so long as Wenger leave because the new manager will have their own philosophy and some money to spend on players he wants. It would be best if we kept them but won't lose it if they go. The biggest contract story we need to be worried about is the one they'll offer to Wenger. If he signs on again, we're royally fucked and trying to hang on to these stars will be the least of our problems.

[selassie]

Wenger won't leave unless he's made to feel unwelcome and his hand forced. I can live with Ozil and Sanchez leaving so long as Wenger leave because the new manager will have their own philosophy and some money to spend on players he wants. It would be best if we kept them but won't lose it if they go. The biggest contract story we need to be worried about is the one they'll offer to Wenger. If he signs on again, we're royally fucked and trying to hang on to these stars will be the least of our problems.

Yep, totally agree with this.

[selassie]

I used to think that getting CL football meant that the better players would come to your club. Not so anymore, money talks. Both Zlatan and Pogba went to a non CL club, Chelsea also got players and so did City before they qualified although I don't suppose that was very much in doubt. Add to the money the fact that players have observed Arsenal in the CL, and we end up with mediocrity.

It still does if the club who has qualified for CL shows ambition, it really is as simple as that.

Of course prestige of the club and recent history does play a part, but a club like us should and could be a lot more ambitious in the market. We managed to spend 90million net this summer and I'm not convinced we actually got what we wanted in terms of the quality.

[Maestro]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/koeman-everton-barkley-must-improve-8842072

Refreshing in comparison

[Kano]

Depends. Most important thing is that he is talking directly to the player about it. I'm sure he is. But spouting to the media and increasing the pressure for performance isn't always the most constructive thing to do. It's feeding a fire with oil.

[Marc Overmars]

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/777207967296983044

[Kano]

20 year anniversary for Wenger today

:bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Last of his kind.

The old goat.:bow:

[Thierrymon]

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/777207967296983044

Not available in my country <_<

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Seems unlikely you will ever have a manager in charge of a club for as long as Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger

L'Ouisseau is a frustrating old git who has in many ways squandered the potential of this club, but without him we wouldn't be in a position where that potential exists.

In terms of achievements his first ten years are going to be remembered more fondly, three league titles, four FA cups, being the first side to go through a league season unbeaten in this country since the 19th century and taking us to a European cup final.

Whatever bad blood has been caused by his stubborn arrogance and his failure to learn from past mistakes, his immortality is assured.

[Niall_Quinn]

He stayed 12 years too long.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Regardless of what you think of him it is an incredible achievement and possibly the last ever manager who'll reach it given how football is nowadays.

I mean whilst clearly for the majority now the results aren't good enough and change is needed (I include myself in that group), the reason he's been able to reach this milestone is because of the level of consistency he produces (i.e. Top Four minimum every year) which having seen some of the more heralded managers in the league completely screw up (Mourinho, LVG etc) isn't an easy thing to do even with a top squad.

[Letters]

Seems unlikely you will ever have a manager in charge of a club for as long as Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger

L'Ouisseau is a frustrating old git who has in many ways squandered the potential of this club, but without him we wouldn't be in a position where that potential exists.

In terms of achievements his first ten years are going to be remembered more fondly, three league titles, four FA cups, being the first side to go through a league season unbeaten in this country since the 19th century and taking us to a European cup final.

Whatever bad blood has been caused by his stubborn arrogance and his failure to learn from past mistakes, his immortality is assured.
Pretty much. He has stayed too long now, not 12 years but he should have bowed out after the FA Cups IMO.
Chapman was the most important manager in our earlier history, he's undoubtedly the most important in our modern history. The current level of expectation is entirely down to him, it's ironic in a way that he is only failing compared with himself in the first half of his tenure.

Overall though, he's earned his bust.

[Goonermerree]

Pretty much. He has stayed too long now, not 12 years but he should have bowed out after the FA Cups IMO.
Chapman was the most important manager in our earlier history, he's undoubtedly the most important in our modern history. The current level of expectation is entirely down to him, it's ironic in a way that he is only failing compared with himself in the first half of his tenure.

Overall though, he's earned his bust.

I agree with that, which is why I can't hate him as others seem to. The game has moved on though and he doesn't seem to have, and he is stubborn, so he's brought a lot of it on himself. He does seem to persist with his favourites when the player is clearly under performing, and other stuff.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't think people on here actually hate him, I think it's more hyperbole than anything borne out of frustration with the same old - season after season.

There is lacking an element of excitement about this Arsenal side and I think this stretches out towards a general sense of ennui of football in general.

In contrast it's hard to know how the Klopp revolution at Liverpool will work out, but in my mind other than City this is a side that plays the most exciting, attractive and purposeful football in the EPL at the moment.

[GP]

http://i.imgur.com/cC1OcsV.jpg

:bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

http://i.imgur.com/cC1OcsV.jpg

:bow:

Basically 2 titles vs 3 titles then. All the rest is totally irrelevant. Wenger has done slightly better than his predecessors. And yes, he's made the club much more powerful financially. That was't done for football reasons though and as marvelous as he supposedly is at counting the cash he's still a million miles behind the big boys.

His PL and CL record is actually quite average given the amazing players he's had at his disposal over the years. His cup record is very good. But his real achievement was the football he created over his early years. Which is why it's so hard to bear the shit mound he's sitting on today.

[Letters]

Slightly :lol:

[Globalgunner]

We actually won stuff in Europe before he came along too.
Wenger Out!

[Letters]

His European record is, IMO, his biggest failing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Slightly :lol:

2 vs 3, where's the huge difference? That graphic is mostly a tribute to Wenger's imaginary 4th place trophy. Meanwhile there's a string of other managers out there with titles and CL wins to their name. Hasn't taken them 20 years to get them either. We really do glorify second best at this club.

[Letters]

Stop playing dumb. You're old enough to know the difference.

[Niall_Quinn]

Stop playing dumb. You're old enough to know the difference.

So it's dumb to suggest that 3 titles and zero CLs over 20 years is not all that impressive in the grand scheme of things? For a supposedly elite club? And of course fuck all in the last 12 years. Surely that's just a little bit unimpressive? That's why I said he should have gone 12 years ago, for his own sake. What a record he could have pointed to had he done that. Now though, after 20 years, it's all a bit meh as far as I'm concerned. Not bad, but hardly up there with the legends.

But of course it's dumb to even question the great man.

[Marc Overmars]

His European record is, IMO, his biggest failing.

Yep, really poor. His greatness is linked to how he's transformed us as a club but does he dine at the top table of managers with no European achievement?

It's always going to be his biggest regret.

[Munchies]

Maureen saying he'd break Wenger's face in his new book

:haha:

Would put all my money on Wenger if they fought (not on a game of football sadly, Wenger can never beat him there)

[Power n Glory]

2 vs 3, where's the huge difference? That graphic is mostly a tribute to Wenger's imaginary 4th place trophy. Meanwhile there's a string of other managers out there with titles and CL wins to their name. Hasn't taken them 20 years to get them either. We really do glorify second best at this club.

That's not a good graphic to highlight Wenger's legacy.

[Power n Glory]

Maureen saying he'd break Wenger's face in his new book

:haha:

Would put all my money on Wenger if they fought (not on a game of football sadly, Wenger can never beat him there)

:lol: He wishes.

Wenger has a reach advantage.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3155053.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Mourinho-v-Wenger.png

[Munchies]

Arsenal star secretly told Jose Mourinho that Arsene Wenger ‘did nothing’ in training
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/23/arsenal-star-secretly-told-jose-mourinho-that-arsene-wenger-did-nothing-in-training-6146426/

‘Later in the 2014–15 season there was more astonishing stuff from Jose after Chelsea won 5–0 at Swansea. When I congratulated Mourinho he was already looking forward to the next day’s clash between Manchester City and Arsenal,’ Beasley wrote.

‘He declared: ‘Yes was good, now let’s see s*** Arsenal.’ We were both convinced City would win but Arsenal won 2–0.

‘I told Jose they’d actually done a ‘Chelsea’ and copied his game plan from a year ago and his emailed response left me gobsmacked.

‘First he joked: ‘Mr Wenger gets new 5 years contract’ but then he claimed ‘(One of the Arsenal players) sent me an SMS to say players did themselves, organised themselves during the week. Wenger did nothing.

‘When I expressed my amazement he replied that his information was ‘100 per cent’.’


:lol:

Ozil?

[Munchies]

:lol: He wishes.

Wenger has a reach advantage.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3155053.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Mourinho-v-Wenger.png

Agreed lol

http://correctfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/wengersfight.jpg

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4384178.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-Arsene-Wenger.jpg

[Goonermerree]

Can he really say that whilst managing in the Prem and get away with it? Come on Arsenal and Arsene, wallop them when we meet him!!!!

[Marc Overmars]

The guy is complete cretin, truly embarrassing.

[GP]

If Mourinho was a gorilla I'd throw my kid at him.

[Letters]

Apparently Mourinho writes on some Arsenal messageboards just to see what people are saying.
Think his username is 'Zim' or something like that.

#wouldexplainalot

[Marc Overmars]

I'd like to know what Wenger has actually done to him?

Weird.

[Power n Glory]

Arsenal star secretly told Jose Mourinho that Arsene Wenger ‘did nothing’ in training
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/23/arsenal-star-secretly-told-jose-mourinho-that-arsene-wenger-did-nothing-in-training-6146426/

‘Later in the 2014–15 season there was more astonishing stuff from Jose after Chelsea won 5–0 at Swansea. When I congratulated Mourinho he was already looking forward to the next day’s clash between Manchester City and Arsenal,’ Beasley wrote.

‘He declared: ‘Yes was good, now let’s see s*** Arsenal.’ We were both convinced City would win but Arsenal won 2–0.

‘I told Jose they’d actually done a ‘Chelsea’ and copied his game plan from a year ago and his emailed response left me gobsmacked.

‘First he joked: ‘Mr Wenger gets new 5 years contract’ but then he claimed ‘(One of the Arsenal players) sent me an SMS to say players did themselves, organised themselves during the week. Wenger did nothing.

‘When I expressed my amazement he replied that his information was ‘100 per cent’.’


:lol:

Ozil?

:lol: That's amazing. With the Man Utd game the players did say they had a meeting before the game. I doubt there was anything different to our usual training sessions to get that result.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Shows what a ridiculous little man he is

Probably worried that the spotlight isn't shining on him enough

I can't say I disbelieve the claim being made about him being text, and I suspect Mesut Ozil. Yes he was injured at the time but only player likely to be in close contact with Mourinho and I have no doubt even though I think he's a fantastic player he's an absolute toss piece.

The whole break his face stuff, he wants Wenger to respect him because Wenger has never beaten him in the league but Wenger doesn't and as a narcassist he can't stand it.

[Power n Glory]

I'd like to know what Wenger has actually done to him?

Weird.

It all goes back to the financial doping argument. When he returned to Chelsea, Mourinho said there wouldn’t be any problems between them but then Wenger spoke of the Mata transfer as if it was unfair. Like we haven’t sold our players to rivals. That sparked the whole thing back up.

[Letters]

I'd like to know what Wenger has actually done to him?

Weird.

He always seems to have been a bit jealous of Wenger's job stability. And that. in general, Wenger is liked and respected throughout the game where as most people think Mourinho is a massive ****. Mostly because Mourinho is in fact a massive **** of course.

[Power n Glory]

“I told him, ‘Here you do that, you know I can’t react, but I will meet you one day in the street’.”

Oh shit! :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm reminded of the line from fight club

"Skinny guys fight till they're burger"

Wenger doesn't seem like the kind to back away from a fight, squared up to quite a few managers last ten years or so

Although we still lost the game, loved when he shoved Mourinho (probably another thing that got the nasty little cunt riled) as if to say fuck off you little sociopath.

[Munchies]

@JamesOlley
Wenger on Mourinho story: "I haven't read the book and I certainly will not read it. I cannot comment on that. I talk about football."

https://twitter.com/JamesOlley/status/779233119064981504

Maureen not getting the attention he wants :pal:

:haha:

[Munchies]

Video of Wenget being asked on it from the press conference

https://twitter.com/sr_collings/status/779236021649145856

[Power n Glory]

Wenger has really gotten under Mourinho's skin. All the digs have chipped away at him. :lol: But Wenger remains cool and poised.

[Power n Glory]

Agreed lol

http://correctfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/wengersfight.jpg

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4384178.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-Arsene-Wenger.jpg

Wenger is all cut up. :lol: Jose doesn't want to take it to the streets with this guy.

Look at the fear in Jose's face!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

charity boxing match.....just got to be

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Mourinho :lol: What a thug.


What's with his obsession with Arsene? Probably has a voodoo doll at home and pictures with knifes stuck in them, plastered across the walls in his home.

Complete embarrassment to football.


Arsenal star secretly told Jose Mourinho that Arsene Wenger ‘did nothing’ in training
http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/23/arsenal-star-secretly-told-jose-mourinho-that-arsene-wenger-did-nothing-in-training-6146426/

‘Later in the 2014–15 season there was more astonishing stuff from Jose after Chelsea won 5–0 at Swansea. When I congratulated Mourinho he was already looking forward to the next day’s clash between Manchester City and Arsenal,’ Beasley wrote.

‘He declared: ‘Yes was good, now let’s see s*** Arsenal.’ We were both convinced City would win but Arsenal won 2–0.

‘I told Jose they’d actually done a ‘Chelsea’ and copied his game plan from a year ago and his emailed response left me gobsmacked.

‘First he joked: ‘Mr Wenger gets new 5 years contract’ but then he claimed ‘(One of the Arsenal players) sent me an SMS to say players did themselves, organised themselves during the week. Wenger did nothing.

‘When I expressed my amazement he replied that his information was ‘100 per cent’.’


:lol:

Ozil?

I'm sure it being the player's decision to play more conservatively rather than Wenger's being true (a pretty sad indictment on the manager but that's another story); it was mentioned/rumoured at the time though I'm a bit iffy about one our players actually texting a rival manager to tell him about it.

Don't think it was Ozil, iirc he was injured during that game and wouldn't have been in training that week. Might have been Santi ....... I remember him being particularly chummy with Mourinho during the infamous Community shield game two years ago when Wenger hilariously blanked Mourinho's handshake offer.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is just as big a whining bitch as Maureen and there's no point trying to pretend otherwise. The former has been moaning his tits off about money for the past decade, every chance he gets. They can spit back and forth like children all they want, but where it really counts - on the pitch - Maureen has annihilated Wenger and the argument is well and truly over and the outcome decisive. The 1,000th game humiliation sums up just about everything. When the real crunch comes Wenger fails and fails catastrophically. If Maureen had any wit or an ounce of class he could have ground Wenger into the dust by now, not just on the pitch but off it. He doesn't though, he's as petty a fool as Wenger. Both like to blame everyone bar themselves and both are an embarrassing spectacle.

[Niall_Quinn]

Mourinho :lol: What a thug.


What's with his obsession with Arsene? Probably has a voodoo doll at home and pictures with knifes stuck in them, plastered across the walls in his home.

Complete embarrassment to football.



I'm sure it being the player's decision to play more conservatively rather than Wenger's being true (a pretty sad indictment on the manager but that's another story); it was mentioned/rumoured at the time though I'm a bit iffy about one our players actually texting a rival manager to tell him about it.

Don't think it was Ozil, iirc he was injured during that game and wouldn't have been in training that week. Might have been Santi ....... I remember him being particularly chummy with Mourinho during the infamous Community shield game two years ago when Wenger hilariously blanked Mourinho's handshake offer.

Probably a player who has left the club, or a story entirely fabricated by a man who I would think has no problem distorting the truth to fit his own agenda. This is a story passed from a swine of a human being through a grubby journalist. It makes Chinese Whispers look like a reliable method for transferring truth.

The sad part of this is the idea of Wenger doing nothing. If only that were true we'd be in a much better situation. Unfortunately we know only too well he doesn't plenty.

[Letters]

Yes, it's annoying when people moan every chance they get :)

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, it's annoying when people moan every chance they get :)

I thought you were busy criticising Zim at every turn, trying to fire up more WUMmery as is your way? I'm talking about the content of this thread. What are you doing? Is it still acceptable to have a dissenting opinion on this forum, or do you prefer it to be a closed shop? For every criticism I level at our failed manager you are quick enough to fire a response, usually having nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. Perhaps some people find that annoying? Not me though, I don't mind one way or the other if you want to talk about me rather than the issues. I'm fairly sure Zim doesn't either.

[fakeyank]

I hope we beat Utd in at least one game, and the reason we beat them is a 90th minute pelanty in which Ozil dives or something. To add cherry on the cake, I hope Utd dominate the game all the 90 mins and lose to that bad decision. Mourinho will probably be banned for life for punching Wenger.

Win-win!

[Kano]

Mourinho :lol: What a thug.


What's with his obsession with Arsene? Probably has a voodoo doll at home and pictures with knifes stuck in them, plastered across the walls in his home.

Complete embarrassment to football.



I'm sure it being the player's decision to play more conservatively rather than Wenger's being true (a pretty sad indictment on the manager but that's another story); it was mentioned/rumoured at the time though I'm a bit iffy about one our players actually texting a rival manager to tell him about it.

Don't think it was Ozil, iirc he was injured during that game and wouldn't have been in training that week. Might have been Santi ....... I remember him being particularly chummy with Mourinho during the infamous Community shield game two years ago when Wenger hilariously blanked Mourinho's handshake offer.
I don't it matters too much who it was, it's a pretty outdated view of managing either way by the sounds of it:

“One afternoon at Aberdeen, I had a conversation with my assistant manager while we were having a cup of tea. He said: ‘I don’t know why you brought me here.’ I said: ‘What are you talking about?’ and he replied: ‘I don’t do anything. I work with the youth team, but I’m here to assist you with the training and with picking the team. That’s the assistant manager’s job.’

“Another coach said: ‘I think he’s right, boss,’ and pointed out that I could benefit from not always having to lead the training.

“At first I said: ‘No, no, no,’ but I thought it over for a few days and then said: ‘I’ll give it a try. No promises.’ Deep down I knew he was right. So I delegated the training to him, and it was the best thing I ever did. It didn’t take away my control. My presence and ability to supervise were always there, and what you can pick up by watching is incredibly valuable.

“Once I stepped out of the bubble, I became more aware of a range of details, and my performance level jumped. Seeing a change in a player’s habits or a sudden dip in his enthusiasm allowed me to go further with him: Is it family problems? Is he struggling financially? Is he tired? What kind of mood is he in? Sometimes I could even tell that a player was injured when he thought he was fine.

“I don’t think many people fully understand the value of observing, but I came to see observation as a critical part of my management skills. The ability to see things is key or, more specifically, the ability to see things you don’t expect to see."

[Power n Glory]

Wenger is just as big a whining bitch as Maureen and there's no point trying to pretend otherwise. The former has been moaning his tits off about money for the past decade, every chance he gets. They can spit back and forth like children all they want, but where it really counts - on the pitch - Maureen has annihilated Wenger and the argument is well and truly over and the outcome decisive. The 1,000th game humiliation sums up just about everything. When the real crunch comes Wenger fails and fails catastrophically. If Maureen had any wit or an ounce of class he could have ground Wenger into the dust by now, not just on the pitch but off it. He doesn't though, he's as petty a fool as Wenger. Both like to blame everyone bar themselves and both are an embarrassing spectacle.

Agreed. It all started because with the financial doping stuff and Wenger constantly talking about Chelsea having an unfair advantage. Then Mourinho called him a voyeur. Wenger said he'd sue.....:blah:

It flared up again because Wenger kept talking about Chelsea somehow cheating the transfer window with that Mata sale to Utd. Wenger looks like a fool because of his poor record, Mourinho looks a fool when this sort of thing comes out.

[Power n Glory]

I hope we beat Utd in at least one game, and the reason we beat them is a 90th minute pelanty in which Ozil dives or something. To add cherry on the cake, I hope Utd dominate the game all the 90 mins and lose to that bad decision. Mourinho will probably be banned for life for punching Wenger.

Win-win!


Hell no. We owe them a serious beating. A humiliating scoreline.

[Letters]

I hope we beat Utd in at least one game, and the reason we beat them is a 90th minute pelanty in which Ozil dives or something. To add cherry on the cake, I hope Utd dominate the game all the 90 mins and lose to that bad decision. Mourinho will probably be banned for life for punching Wenger.

Win-win!

And then Wenger would be paraded shoulder high through the streets of Islington and awarded a new contract!

:trophy:




:run:

[Globalgunner]

And then Wenger would be paraded shoulder high through the streets of Islington and awarded a new contract!

:trophy:




:run:

Wake up Letters. You`re daydreaming again.

[Letters]

:d

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Hell no. We owe them a serious beating. A humiliating scoreline.

Yep and to be fair i see your point in pointing out that there is a lot of passive agressive sniping that comes from Wenger, he has a kind of purity a lot of other managers find insufferable

But as stubborn and as sanctimonious as he is, i think he can't match Mourinho for the simply toxic nature of his personality.

There is a very interesting article Le Grove placed on his twitter feed about Mourinho's current motivations being more than of avarice than ambition (citing the fact that the deal to bring him to Old Trafford was held up over a conflict of car sponsorship where Mourinho is being paid to advertise a competing brand to Chevrolet as one example).

[fakeyank]

And then Wenger would be paraded shoulder high through the streets of Islington and awarded a new contract!

:trophy:




:run:

That's like being between a rock and a hard place. I despise both Mourinho and Wenger... at this point, I think I can fathom Wenger being paraded over Mourinho getting banned for life.

[Kano]

Ancelotti is the only manager I can think of that hasn't been a dick at some point in the media.

But at the same time, when you're faced with such cretinous scum almost everyday making your job even harder then it needs to be, prodding and poking you constantly for a reaction so they can justify their own jobs, it's hard not to blame most managers for taking the bait occasionally. You have to have a big enough ego to take on a role where you are managing a few dozen over growing or damaged egos. But then there's Maureen, who just feeds on being a snivelling prick.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's like being between a rock and a hard place. I despise both Mourinho and Wenger... at this point, I think I can fathom Wenger being paraded over Mourinho getting banned for life.

Being perfectly honest here, although for at least five years now I've wanted Wenger gone.....the idea of despising him seems beyond me

Despite the protestations of people like Zim, there is absolutely no question that Wenger will leave the club in a far better state than which he found it

He lost it ages ago, and his position is untenable when he is only ever a few bad results from a full scale fan revolt. But i am in no doubt that when he does go a lot of the resentment people feel towards him will dissipate.

[Letters]

I have raised my eyebrows about this before. I understand people thinking Wenger should be replaced, I think we pretty much all think that now. But despise? Really?
FY's take, from what I understand, is that Wenger is only concerned now about the business side of things, making money for himself and the board.
If he believes that then I can understand a sense of disappointment, betrayal even.
I don't agree though. Wenger has spent a lot of money in the last few years, if he only wanted to keep us in the top 4 he didn't need to do that.
I think he lacks the ability to win us the title but not the desire.

[fakeyank]

FY's take, from what I understand, is that Wenger is only concerned now about the business side of things, making money for himself and the board.
If he believes that then I can understand a sense of disappointment, betrayal even.


Thanks for summarizing that for me. To me, the board and Wenger are one and the same.

[Letters]

Thanks for summarizing that for me. To me, the board and Wenger are one and the same.

:tiphat:

But as I said I don't agree. The sort of players he's bought in the last few years seem designed to push us on, if he wanted to minimise spend and maximise profits and keep us scraping into the top 4 he didn't need to do that.
It's lack of ability in my view, not lack of desire.

[Power n Glory]

Yep and to be fair i see your point in pointing out that there is a lot of passive agressive sniping that comes from Wenger, he has a kind of purity a lot of other managers find insufferable

But as stubborn and as sanctimonious as he is, i think he can't match Mourinho for the simply toxic nature of his personality.

There is a very interesting article Le Grove placed on his twitter feed about Mourinho's current motivations being more than of avarice than ambition (citing the fact that the deal to bring him to Old Trafford was held up over a conflict of car sponsorship where Mourinho is being paid to advertise a competing brand to Chevrolet as one example).

I've never been a fan of Wenger talking about other clubs business in the transfer window. He kept on sniping away at Chelsea and Jose took it personally. Wenger is more subtle with his digs but Jose goes over board and takes a tank to a knife fight. I find it funny. But there are some scumbaggery things he'll do that I hate to see. Trying to embarrass Mata recently was one of them. As much as I hate Man Utd, they won't stand for that sort of thing and I'm guessing they had a word with him about that.

I'll have to check Le Grove out. Haven't checked it out all week.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Mourinho exhibits for me many traits associated with Narcassistic personality disorder

The reason these feuds happen between him and other managers is not like with Ferguson where he's trying to psych people. He appears to be genuinely very thin skinned, when he called Wenger a specialist in failure it wasn't a calculated comment it was an angry reaction because he took the fear of failure comment so personally.

He makes things about him, and has a need to belittle other people and their achievements (not just Wenger he was famous for doing it with Pep Guardiola) in order to cope with his own sense of inferiority when faced with a genuine rival/challenger to his supremacy.

Twice with Chelsea and with Real Madrid he has ended up on a self destructive path by creating enmity between himself, the playing staff and the senior management hierarchy.

The second time he left Chelsea he didn't seem to give any impression that he cared what he was doing to the club.

He wanted the club to sack him so he would get a massive pay out

His aggression towards Wenger is, this guy doesn't know his place in the pecking order. And he's made comments that I've taken personally so I want to physically hurt him.

[Gooner23]

I heard a clip from his press conference earlier where he says how he's a good person and does lots of charity work. The fact he even feels the need to say that implies he's massively over compensating. Can't stand the bloke, absolute tosser.

[Marc Overmars]

Charity work. :lol:

More like some kind of vanity project. Everyone look at me, I'm helping!