Good Bye RVP!

[Niall_Quinn]

RVP: £200K per week...
AFC: £150K, highest we can go...
RVP: £200K or I'm outa here...
AFC: £120K, final offer...
RVP: WTF? You said £150K!
AFC: £150K, okay then... what about £90K?
RVP: Fuck off...
AFC: £85K plus we extend the length of contract to 6 months...

[Flavs]

If he is motivated by money we don't stand a chance tbf, or trophies for that matter, or hope

[Xhaka Can’t]

It is difficult to think of any scenario where if you are offering objective counsel that you would advise him to stay.

[Letters]

It is difficult to think of any scenario where if you are offering objective counsel that you would advise him to stay.
I'm not sure that's true.
Had we finished 7th then yeah, why would he stay? But we finished 3rd, qualified for the CL and if we buy the right players (big if, obviously) there's no reason to think we can't push on next season and challenge harder. Of course he'll have a better chance of winning trophies at City and he'd get more money but I think he's got the brains to know that it would be a pretty empty 'achievement'.

[Joker]

I doubt he'd think it's an empty achievement tbh. If he joins Citeh and is part of a trophy winning machine I doubt he'll accept that these trophies are null and void.

[Kano]

I'm not sure that's true.
Had we finished 7th then yeah, why would he stay? But we finished 3rd, qualified for the CL and if we buy the right players (big if, obviously) there's no reason to think we can't push on next season and challenge harder. Of course he'll have a better chance of winning trophies at City and he'd get more money but I think he's got the brains to know that it would be a pretty empty 'achievement'.

from your point of view yes but from a footballer sitting back in his retirement, i doubt he will look back at his prem medal and regret not sticking around for another emirates trophy.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I doubt he'd think it's an empty achievement tbh. If he joins Citeh and is part of a trophy winning machine I doubt he'll accept that these trophies are null and void.

Depends on his mentality. But id be shocked if he Stayed in this country if he decides to leave. he'd never do that to us.

If he did go to City then I doubt it would be for the money tbf to him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'm not sure that's true.
Had we finished 7th then yeah, why would he stay? But we finished 3rd, qualified for the CL and if we buy the right players (big if, obviously) there's no reason to think we can't push on next season and challenge harder. Of course he'll have a better chance of winning trophies at City and he'd get more money but I think he's got the brains to know that it would be a pretty empty 'achievement'.

End of the day its wether we think getting another year out of him then letting him go for nothing next season is better for us then the 25 mill we probs won't spend.

Id keep him even if it meant loosing him on a free. because at 30 i don't think it would be such a loss. If we can get a good season out of him again next season then it would be worth it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Can't picture RvP in anything other than an Arsenal medical gown. Just doesn't compute thinking of him in blue. With Bollocktelli and the scum argy probably on the way out I'm sure they'll offer something suitably ridiculous to try to lure him though.

[Letters]

I doubt he'd think it's an empty achievement tbh. If he joins Citeh and is part of a trophy winning machine I doubt he'll accept that these trophies are null and void.
Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

[Kano]

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.
i think you are way off on this.

[Joker]

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

But at the end of his career it won't say "meaningless" next to the trophies he's won. And if he's given a choice between real trophies and the pre-season Emirates Cup triumph, I don't think he'll turn down the former in favour of the latter.
And it's a bit harsh to say anyone who doesn't agree that City's titles are "meaningless" is an idiot. It's a moral position that you've taken which is absolutely fine, but not everyone may feel the same way. We've seen teams spend a lot of money and not win trophies in the past (like Lazio and Real Madrid) so it's not as if spending money is the be all and end all.

But anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree because I've said the same thing before and people seem to get really annoyed by it for some reason.

[Letters]

i think you are way off on this.If RvP goes to City then you're right, I am.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

Not only that but people with whole brains know it too!

[Kano]

If RvP goes to City then you're right, I am.
regardless of the money spent, if i was a player that had worked my arse off all season to win something, there is no way i would look at the achievement as shallow. vincent kompany couldn't have sounded more genuine with his thoughts about winning the title.

[Letters]

But at the end of his career it won't say "meaningless" next to the trophies he's won. And if he's given a choice between real trophies and the pre-season Emirates Cup triumph, I don't think he'll turn down the former in favour of the latter.
And it's a bit harsh to say anyone who doesn't agree that City's titles are "meaningless" is an idiot. It's a moral position that you've taken which is absolutely fine, but not everyone may feel the same way. We've seen teams spend a lot of money and not win trophies in the past (like Lazio and Real Madrid) so it's not as if spending money is the be all and end all.

But anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree because I've said the same thing before and people seem to get really annoyed by it for some reason.

It's not a moral position. I'm not saying anything about whether what they're doing is 'right' or not. (It isn't, while we're here, but City didn't create the cirumstances in which this sort of thing can go on. There's a lot wrong with the modern game which isn't City's fault but they are exploiting it).

Which is more impressive, City spending a billion pounds and 'winning' the title or Newcastle finishing 5th or Swansea finishing in mid-table? Chelsea proved the point that money can buy success. City have shown you can do it with any club if you pump in enough money for long enough (And yes yes, you need a good manager but that costs money too. It all comes back to the money)

[Kano]

you are talking from a fans perspective, which of course is the only angle we have - but a professional would view it completely differently i'd imagine.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

But at the end of his career it won't say "meaningless" next to the trophies he's won. And if he's given a choice between real trophies and the pre-season Emirates Cup triumph, I don't think he'll turn down the former in favour of the latter.
And it's a bit harsh to say anyone who doesn't agree that City's titles are "meaningless" is an idiot. It's a moral position that you've taken which is absolutely fine, but not everyone may feel the same way. We've seen teams spend a lot of money and not win trophies in the past (like Lazio and Real Madrid) so it's not as if spending money is the be all and end all.

But anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree because I've said the same thing before and people seem to get really annoyed by it for some reason.

Your right its not about City Spending the money being the problem, its the fact people want to spalff over it and seem to think they did it without the money and that it was all skill.

I don't know RVP's mind but i don't think he'd go to city he just not do that to us he just seems to loyal to do that. Where as Nasri never really had no loyalty to us anyway.

[Niall_Quinn]

you are talking from a fans perspective, which of course is the only angle we have - but a professional would view it completely differently i'd imagine.

Not so sure. Triumph in adversity has always carried more weight than pre-arranged triumph. It would have been fairly remarkable had city NOT won it. That fact they have is predictable enough. It's true you still have to build a team and get it to gel but when you can keep on dropping £250k a week pay packets until you get it right and at the same time weaken your opponents it all becomes a matter of time and expenditure. Same goes for Utd, the chavs and even us in comparison to a team like Swansea (although they probably pent more than us net). But the margins have been made so wide now you can't really call it competition any more, not in a sporting sense. Financially yes, they kicked everyone's arse bar Utds.

[Kano]

Not so sure. Triumph in adversity has always carried more weight than pre-arranged triumph. It would have been fairly remarkable had city NOT won it. That fact they have is predictable enough. It's true you still have to build a team and get it to gel but when you can keep on dropping £250k a week pay packets until you get it right and at the same time weaken your opponents it all becomes a matter of time and expenditure. Same goes for Utd, the chavs and even us in comparison to a team like Swansea (although they probably pent more than us net). But the margins have been made so wide now you can't really call it competition any more, not in a sporting sense. Financially yes, they kicked everyone's arse bar Utds.
you are right, success through adversity does feel sweeter but you cannot diminish the hard leg work put in on a literal level as a player on the pitch. whether or not you have the best team around you, the running, tackling, blood, sweat and tears required to win in the prem are still required. if it was that easy, they would've gone over 100 points undefeated. having the money makes things easier, i agree but if i was a man city player that had to put in a 40+ game shift in a season, a trophy at the end of it would feel absolutely fantastic - and i can't see why i would want to compare it to winning it any other way in that moment as i would feel i completely earned it.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Anyone with half a brain knows that anything Man City 'achieve' is empty and meaningless. Luckily for them most players, and quite a lot of fans, have less than half a brain so they don't care.

I give RvP a bit more credit.

im not sure it discredits their achievements as much as you make out, at the end of the day, they've won trophies and we haven't, yet our balance sheet looks good and our values mostly in tact. which is more impressive? id say their achievement.

problem is we're at a time and generation where the only way of achieving success is through heavy spending; it's not just in football it's in every aspect of life. businesses that have come out of the recession are spending heavily to get them back to where they used to be before the recession, teenagers need to spent a shitload in tuition fees to get a decent career, i read today that the the EU are contemplating adding more to the pot to help countries like greece get out of the mess they find themselves in. utter madness !

long gone are the days when values and morals really mattered because everyone is looking for a quick fix; respect nowadays revolves around who earns the most and how quickly they made it, not what they done during the process or ethical issues. but at the same time, i dont think that should discredit what has been achieved and the success that has been created, especially in football; there's been a clear change and progression from the mid 1990's and it means clubs need to spend bucket loads to get to the top. put simply, if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. we can't sit here and say 'only man utd, arsenal, liverpool can challenge for the title because they've earned it over the years' because that's a cop out. just like everything else, football has moved with the times, and whilst there was a massive hoo-ha at the beginning when clubs like chelsea came into the picture, the gradual desensitisation has bred an air of acceptance into society to a point where it isn't even questioned by the average fan. it's just 'the way it is init'. in 10 years time another takeover may happen and we might be sitting here saying 'cant believe theyve just spent £150m on a player, at least man city only spent £30m on a player!'

i do agree with you that its wrong but there is nothing we can do. if we speak up about it we are labelled as sadistic envious compatriots and backward thinking lunatics. just another thing that adds to the general shitness of modern football but as long as the status quo are making money, we are passive recipients of a global commodity my friend.

[Niall_Quinn]

im not sure it discredits their achievements as much as you make out, at the end of the day, they've won trophies and we haven't, yet our balance sheet looks good and our values mostly in tact. which is more impressive? id say their achievement.

problem is we're at a time and generation where the only way of achieving success is through heavy spending; it's not just in football it's in every aspect of life. businesses that have come out of the recession are spending heavily to get them back to where they used to be before the recession, teenagers need to spent a shitload in tuition fees to get a decent career, i read today that the the EU are contemplating adding more to the pot to help countries like greece get out of the mess they find themselves in. utter madness !

long gone are the days when values and morals really mattered because everyone is looking for a quick fix; respect nowadays revolves around who earns the most and how quickly they made it, not what they done during the process or ethical issues. but at the same time, i dont think that should discredit what has been achieved and the success that has been created, especially in football; there's been a clear change and progression from the mid 1990's and it means clubs need to spend bucket loads to get to the top. put simply, if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. we can't sit here and say 'only man utd, arsenal, liverpool can challenge for the title because they've earned it over the years' because that's a cop out. just like everything else, football has moved with the times, and whilst there was a massive hoo-ha at the beginning when clubs like chelsea came into the picture, the gradual desensitisation has bred an air of acceptance into society to a point where it isn't even questioned by the average fan. it's just 'the way it is init'. in 10 years time another takeover may happen and we might be sitting here saying 'cant believe theyve just spent £150m on a player, at least man city only spent £30m on a player!'

i do agree with you that its wrong but there is nothing we can do. if we speak up about it we are labelled as sadistic envious compatriots and backward thinking lunatics. just another thing that adds to the general shitness of modern football but as long as the status quo are making money, we are passive recipients of a global commodity my friend.

plus it's arabs init?

When we reach the point where there's nothing to compare this shit with and the whole thing has gone to hell, that's when their achievement can be recognised I think. But while we can still tell the difference between sport and commerce then it's still possible to say that in terms of a historic competition city's achievement compares poorly to most of what has gone before. Agree though, not long to go before this will all be very normal. When that happens you don't really have sport though.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

plus it's arabs init?

When we reach the point where there's nothing to compare this shit with and the whole thing has gone to hell, that's when their achievement can be recognised I think. But while we can still tell the difference between sport and commerce then it's still possible to say that in terms of a historic competition city's achievement compares poorly to most of what has gone before. Agree though, not long to go before this will all be very normal. When that happens you don't really have sport though.

i agree. that fine line between sport and commerce is gradually crossing and my worry is that it already has, but we're just too blind to see it.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

im not sure it discredits their achievements as much as you make out, at the end of the day, they've won trophies and we haven't, yet our balance sheet looks good and our values mostly in tact. which is more impressive? id say their achievement.

problem is we're at a time and generation where the only way of achieving success is through heavy spending; it's not just in football it's in every aspect of life. businesses that have come out of the recession are spending heavily to get them back to where they used to be before the recession, teenagers need to spent a shitload in tuition fees to get a decent career, i read today that the the EU are contemplating adding more to the pot to help countries like greece get out of the mess they find themselves in. utter madness !

long gone are the days when values and morals really mattered because everyone is looking for a quick fix; respect nowadays revolves around who earns the most and how quickly they made it, not what they done during the process or ethical issues. but at the same time, i dont think that should discredit what has been achieved and the success that has been created, especially in football; there's been a clear change and progression from the mid 1990's and it means clubs need to spend bucket loads to get to the top. put simply, if that's what they have to do, then that's what they have to do. we can't sit here and say 'only man utd, arsenal, liverpool can challenge for the title because they've earned it over the years' because that's a cop out. just like everything else, football has moved with the times, and whilst there was a massive hoo-ha at the beginning when clubs like chelsea came into the picture, the gradual desensitisation has bred an air of acceptance into society to a point where it isn't even questioned by the average fan. it's just 'the way it is init'. in 10 years time another takeover may happen and we might be sitting here saying 'cant believe theyve just spent £150m on a player, at least man city only spent £30m on a player!'

i do agree with you that its wrong but there is nothing we can do. if we speak up about it we are labelled as sadistic envious compatriots and backward thinking lunatics. just another thing that adds to the general shitness of modern football but as long as the status quo are making money, we are passive recipients of a global commodity my friend.

Pretty much.

Should people just Accept the money and STFU or should they still believe in the Values of the game.

[Özim]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say). Right now we're in the morally superior scenario of course and it's easy to say success is hollow because firstly we're not getting any and can point to the money spend as an excuse and secondly we're not in that situation.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

I don't think our current situation is enjoyable, yes we're self sustaining and making a profit but what have we actually got to show for it except for a healthy balance sheet? We have precious few top players, no success in years, a board who are happy with this and feel 4th place is success and a manager who thinks likewise.

RVP has a choice, he can stay with us and finish off his career with in all likelyness just an FA Cup medal from 2005, alternatively he can move to a more ambitious club with ambitions to succeed, being triumphant in adversity is great, but let's be realistic what hope is there of us being successful as we are, I'd say there's very little hope.

It's pretty hypocritical to take a morally superior stance whilst being happy to fleece the fans for a bit of cash IMO.

[Cripps_orig]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say). Right now we're in the morally superior scenario of course and it's easy to say success is hollow because firstly we're not getting any and can point to the money spend as an excuse and secondly we're not in that situation.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

I don't think our current situation is enjoyable, yes we're self sustaining and making a profit but what have we actually got to show for it except for a healthy balance sheet? We have precious few top players, no success in years, a board who are happy with this and feel 4th place is success and a manager who thinks likewise.

RVP has a choice, he can stay with us and finish off his career with in all likelyness just an FA Cup medal from 2005, alternatively he can move to a more ambitious club with ambitions to succeed, being triumphant in adversity is great, but let's be realistic what hope is there of us being successful as we are, I'd say there's very little hope.Thats pretty optimistic of you

[Olivier's xmas twist]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say). Right now we're in the morally superior scenario of course and it's easy to say success is hollow because firstly we're not getting any and can point to the money spend as an excuse and secondly we're not in that situation.

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.

I don't think our current situation is enjoyable, yes we're self sustaining and making a profit but what have we actually got to show for it except for a healthy balance sheet? We have precious few top players, no success in years, a board who are happy with this and feel 4th place is success and a manager who thinks likewise.

RVP has a choice, he can stay with us and finish off his career with in all likelyness just an FA Cup medal from 2005, alternatively he can move to a more ambitious club with ambitions to succeed, being triumphant in adversity is great, but let's be realistic what hope is there of us being successful as we are, I'd say there's very little hope.

It's pretty hypocritical to take a morally superior stance whilst being happy to fleece the fans for a bit of cash IMO.

Yes he has a choice does not mean he has to go to city though, he could go to most teams and win the league. Fabregas did not go to city. Yes he wanted to go home, but if really wanted too he could have chose City too.

And who is taking the morally superior stance?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Thats pretty optimistic of you

As long as the players believe thats the most important thing.

[Özim]

Thats pretty optimistic of you
I try my best :lol:

[Özim]

Yes he has a choice does not mean he has to go to city though, he could go to most teams and win the league. Fabregas did not go to city. Yes he wanted to go home, but if really wanted too he could have chose City too.

And who is taking the morally superior stance?
No of course not, but any club he goes to will be big spenders, the top clubs always are.

The club does for a start, with it's stance on rich owners and how we can't compete, there's a general morally superior attitude to our club though to be honest, maybe it's to deflect attention away from the fact we've not picked up any silverware in the last 7 years.

[Letters]

There's a problem with this shallow success theory IMO, if we suddenly got taken over spend a shedload and won countless trophies I refuse to believe the fans wouldn't be absolutely thrilled (regardless of what some might say).
Most fans are stupid so yes, you're right.
It's not how I would want Arsenal to achieve success.


I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success
My best man is a Chelsea fan, he's wearied by it all too. He's in the minority of course, like I said most football fans are pretty stupid. Those who aren't can see the difference.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I've said it before, find me a Chelsea and now Man City fan who isn't ecstatic about the success and the change of ownership, I doubt you'll find any because at the end of the day watching your team succeed by whatever means is a great feeling, ultimately everyone wants to see their club win.


Oh i know a few Chav fans not happy about the Billionaires coming into their club. I heard on the radio today a few Pool fans who hate all the Owners in their club undoing Shankly's hard work. There are fans out there who believe this lets not get it twisted. Some fans still believe in Values of football and the team.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

My best man is a Chelsea fan
LDG is a Chelsea fan? :faint:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No of course not, but any club he goes to will be big spenders, the top clubs always are.

The club does for a start, with it's stance on rich owners and how we can't compete, there's a general morally superior attitude to our club though to be honest, maybe it's to deflect attention away from the fact we've not picked up any silverware in the last 7 years.

I don't think its that. the board members still believe in values and don't seem to realise the game has changed and they need to put money into the team if it is to be successful.

The way we are run is not bad its only the people at the top neglect the team more then they should.

[Özim]

Most fans are stupid so yes, you're right.
It's not how I would want Arsenal to achieve success.


My best man is a Chelsea fan, he's wearied by it all too. He's in the minority of course, like I said most football fans are pretty stupid. Those who aren't can see the difference.
Are you saying he's not enjoyed seeing his club win the league and cups numerous times and seeing top players at his club?

Would he rather the club won nothing and sold all it's best players instead?

[Özim]

I don't think its that. the board members still believe in values and don't seem to realise the game has changed and they need to put money into the team if it is to be successful.

The way we are run is not bad its only the people at the top neglect the team more then they should.
They believe in these values and yet are happy to charge fans the highest ticket prices and tell them to effectively shut up when things aren't going as they should be?

I don't believe they have values, I believe they suffer from greed. You can't have it both ways really, there's no excuse for the attitude of the board frankly...if anything rich owners have given them an get out clause by allowing them to come out with the stuff about not being able to compete.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They believe in these values and yet are happy to charge fans the highest ticket prices and tell them to effectively shut up when things aren't going as they should be?

I don't believe they have values, I believe they suffer from greed.

Arsenal is been run like it has always been its football thats moved on. These people have always been business men etc.

Do they suffer from greed a lil all businessmen do. Everything single owner in the prem does. Its just others are willing to invest more in the team then most.

Of course they have values. Do you think the Late Danny Fizman would have sold his shares to Stan if he did not think it would be beneficial to the club. Same with Lady Nina.

[Özim]

Arsenal is been run like it has always been its football thats moved on. These people have always been business men etc.

Do they suffer from greed a lil all businessmen do. Everything single owner in the prem does. Its just others are willing to invest more in the team then most.

Of course they have values. Do you think the Late Danny Fizman would have sold his shares to Stan if he did not think it would be beneficial to the club. Same with Lady Nina.
I don't agree here, when we had Dein on board ambition came into it, it wasn't just about money, football also mattered.

As for Danny Fizman, I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but I'm not sure he was all heart either:


In March 2007 Fiszman sold a block of 659 shares for over £3.9m to Stan Kroenke Sports Enterprises (KSE).[7] This was a significant sale as reducing his stake to less than 25% resulted in a loss of veto rights over any future changes to the company statutes. Speculation linked this with a move abroad where he would substantially reduce any Capital Gains Tax liability that would come with a sale of his stake in the club.[8] Fiszman stated his desire not sell any more of his shares for the foreseeable future,[9] after the sale of 5,000 ordinary shares to Kroenke takes the American's stake in Arsenal Holdings plc to 12,756 Shares (representing 20.5%). On 27 March 2009 Fiszman sold 5,000 ordinary shares of £1 each in Arsenal Holdings plc to KSE, UK, Inc, at a price of £8,500 per share.

Wikipedia

Now sure he chose to sell to Stan but maybe it's because he didn't want Usmanov involved and maybe because he thought his family would be better off with the cash rather than a stake in the club, who knows. He was in cahoots with PHW though, so it made sense to sell to Kroenke.

[Kano]

dein sold his shares to the russian dude, so what's the difference?

[Özim]

Well yes he did, but I suspect this was an unwise perhaps irrational show of defiance after being thrown off the board in pretty a deplorable way.

I wish he'd kept hold of those, perhaps he wishes he had to, but the way he was treated was disrepectful considering what he'd done and how important he was to us.

[Kano]

or maybe he was just as 'heartless' as the rest of em? i see no reason to make excuses for that action whilst condemning other directors for doing the same - we know as little about dein as we do about fizman.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

dein sold his shares to the russian dude, so what's the difference?

Infact it was Dein who bought Stan to the Club knowing what he was about.

[Özim]

or maybe he was just as 'heartless' as the rest of em? i see no reason to make excuses for that action whilst condemning other directors for doing the same - we know as little about dein as we do about fizman.
You have a point, however Dein was very vocal about his football ambitions, making us one of the biggest clubs and being as successful as anyone out there was his plan, he was also heavily involved in signing our best players.

IMO he seemed more of a fan than the rest of them who have again IMO been largely driven by the financial side. Dein wasn't a saint, far from it but he was good for the club and offered a great deal, I'm not entirely sure what those we have now have to offer.

[Özim]

Infact it was Dein who bought Stan to the Club knowing what he was about.
I suspect that had Dein still been around we'd have seen some better players come in, he may well have been more persuasive with regards what's needed financially, unlike the current lot who seem happy to pocket whatever comes in.

[Syn]

Lethal Bizzle ‏@LethalBizzle
(https://twitter.com/#!/LethalBizzle)
Man City want RVP - #LeaveItYeah (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23LeaveItYeah)

:bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Most fans are stupid so yes, you're right.
It's not how I would want Arsenal to achieve success.


My best man is a Chelsea fan, he's wearied by it all too. He's in the minority of course, like I said most football fans are pretty stupid. Those who aren't can see the difference.

SB?

[Syn]

Mario Balotelli ‏@MarioBaloteLAD
Theo Walcott has text John Terry to let him know RVP's wife is home alone #RVPLive #JTStopsPlay

#JTStopsPlay?

Fucking love twitter.

[Kano]

Infact it was Dein who bought Stan to the Club knowing what he was about.
well exactly - that was a big mistake on dein's part, which may have been done with the best of intentions for all we know but look where it has landed up. he had a duty to make sure he understood the motivations of stan fully before introducing him to the club but he didn't do that properly and to make matters worse he then jumped into bed with the russian. dein done a lot of great stuff for the club but his messy exit saw blame fall onto both sides.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I suspect that had Dein still been around we'd have seen some better players come in, he may well have been more persuasive with regards what's needed financially, unlike the current lot who seem happy to pocket whatever comes in.

Maybe Dein did have the clubs best interests at heart and has had a lot of good ideas (well except the Wembley one lol)


well exactly - that was a big mistake on dein's part, which may have been done with the best of intentions for all we know but look where it has landed up. he had a duty to make sure he understood the motivations of stan fully before introducing him to the club but he didn't do that properly and to make matters worse he then jumped into bed with the russian. dein done a lot of great stuff for the club but his messy exit saw blame fall onto both sides.

Pretty Much all these people saw was Stan owned/Own's. a few sports teams so he must know what he is doing. More research should have been done and it was not.

Another thing is this Ownership Issues until one of Stan or the Russian cave in think could be messi for a long time.

[Letters]

Are you saying he's not enjoyed seeing his club win the league and cups numerous times and seeing top players at his club?

Would he rather the club won nothing and sold all it's best players instead?
He can see that all their 'achievements' are tainted by the way they've achieved them. As are City's.
He's a bit more discerning than the average football fan and he's not just a glory hunter.

City were a mid-table side. A billion pounds later and they're champions. Chelsea showed it could be done. City have shown you can do it with any club if you pump in enough money for long enough. They actually got a bit lucky this year in that Utd collapsed at the final hurdle but had Utd won it City would only have spend big again (they might do anyway) and win it next year instead. Utd would only have delayed City's 'achievement'.

[Letters]

I suspect that had Dein still been around we'd have seen some better players come in, he may well have been more persuasive with regards what's needed financially, unlike the current lot who seem happy to pocket whatever comes in.
I agree, actually. I'm not adverse to spending money and I think we've been far too cautious in the transfer market and it's cost us trophies. But I wouldn't want Arsenal to 'do a City'. If you can't see it would taint any achievements then...well, you must be able to.

[IBK]

Re RVP I don't agree that everything boils down to money. Plenty of people stay im jobs because they are happy there. Plenty of footballers have shown that they can move for money yet regret it. The Na$ri's of this world are the exception rather than the rule. I'm not saying RVP's decision isn't going to rest principally on commercial interests, but I hope :pray: that well being will play a part in his decision.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He's our Captain so of course he is leaving.

Hopefully Ramsey is our next Captain.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Re RVP I don't agree that everything boils down to money. Plenty of people stay im jobs because they are happy there. Plenty of footballers have shown that they can move for money yet regret it. The Na$ri's of this world are the exception rather than the rule. I'm not saying RVP's decision isn't going to rest principally on commercial interests, but I hope :pray: that well being will play a part in his decision.

RVP will go to where he goes if he leaves to win things because like People have said on here.

He is coming to the end of his career and would want to win things or have other medals rather then the 2005 one.

If he stays then he must really believe in this team for the next few seasons.

[Marc Overmars]

The issue is that clubs with the best chance of winning trophies also happen to be the richest clubs, by definition. So I can understand why a player would jump at the chance to pocket 150k a week and some medals.

It's not an issue of money with RVP (unless we're grossly undervaluing him), the guy is clearly an Arsenal man but it's reasonable enough to think the perception of Arsenal now is not the same as it is with Man City et al.

So it's a huge decision for RVP to make but I do have to agree I'd lose a little respect for him if he chose City, he'd be nothing more than a spare part there.

[Ollie the Optimist]

you can see from the way he has played this season, the way he has organsied off field events for the team and his celebrations that he really cares. look at the tackle he attempted at west borm, was so desperate to get there you could see it. this man cares about us and loves us and for that reason alone he will stay. he believes in us and he loves the captaincy. im convinced he will stay

[Kano]

So it's a huge decision for RVP to make but I do have to agree I'd lose a little respect for him if he chose City, he'd be nothing more than a spare part there.
Ditto. I'd understand why he would for professional reasons but it would feel like a stab in the back of course, on a tribal level.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

you can see from the way he has played this season, the way he has organsied off field events for the team and his celebrations that he really cares. look at the tackle he attempted at west borm, was so desperate to get there you could see it. this man cares about us and loves us and for that reason alone he will stay. he believes in us and he loves the captaincy. im convinced he will stay

Is it enough though. Yes he cares we know that his speech told us that. "What ever happens i will always love this club"

He won't stay if no ambition is shown no matter how much he loves the club.

[Özim]

I agree, actually. I'm not adverse to spending money and I think we've been far too cautious in the transfer market and it's cost us trophies. But I wouldn't want Arsenal to 'do a City'. If you can't see it would taint any achievements then...well, you must be able to.
I do agree with you that spending such huge amounts does taint the achievement somewhat, however I do think the way we do things is equally deplorable (on the opposite end of the scale).

We should spend money and a club of our stature should be able to attract some top players, particularly after selling some, Podolski is a good move IMO, but that's just one player (and I worry he may well end up the replacement for RVP) and we need a few more quality players.

[Syn]

Is it enough though. Yes he cares we know that his speech told us that. "What ever happens i will always love this club"

He won't stay if no ambition is shown no matter how much he loves the club.

We'll find out at some point. You can run through 100 different theories as to what things he'd value and you could spin it either way. And here's mine:

I take the view that footballers don't think like fans. They're not obsessed with trophies. They want to win and be very famous and in the top bracket of footballers. In order to do that, they can't play for Doncastwood Argyle. They need to play at the highest level and Arsenal are playing at the highest level (the European Cup). Some players (and I think Van Persie is one) like being the big fish in a reasonable-sized pond. They want a lot of money though and if Arsenal are to keep him they have to be prepared to give him a lot of money. If I was Van Persie and even if I didn't really care about Arsenal, I'd know that I could be the king at this club. I would've spent 7 years here already, if I stay for another 5, job done - legend status, hero status, worshipped by every gooner. If I leave now, I won't be a hero here or anywhere else. I wouldn't be a 'legend' of any club. I'm 29 years old and I've got about 3/4 years at the top (if that, considering my injury proneness) and even if I move to Barcelona or Real Madrid and win a couple of titles, I'm not going to be a club legend at those places either. I'll have a shiny medal to show my grandkids. If I stay at Arsenal, I might not have that shiny medal. But, when I'm retired and I'm walking near the stadium and go to a game, I'll get more people telling me how great I was that the kudos is better than the shiny medal for something Barcelona or Real Madrid or Man City probably would've done whether or not I was there. Think about how valued Bergkamp is and how valued Henry is amongst Arsenal fans. That could be me and I'd choose getting a free pint and hero status over anything else (assuming, as I said, I was playing at the highest level).

I think if Henry had to make a choice again, he wouldn't have gone to Barcelona. Hope he had a word with RVP when he was over.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Are we going to offer him four years, then? Would be a bit unWUMgerish. But I think he's about the same age as Henry when all those shenanigans were going on. Think his was a four-year deal with a shitload of loyalty cash on top. Who knows. It'd be a big commitment from the club. The pragmatists would give him three.

Don't know how much that'll affect things. Don't know anything, really.

[GP]

Give him 4 years and all the space cake he can eat.

[jelgoon]

Isnt the issue going to be over the length of the contrat. He clearly wants 4 years at at least £150,000 per week. Wenger will be worried with his injury record that he wont play enough. Guess it comes down to how much Wenger wants to keep him.

[Kano]

We'll find out at some point. You can run through 100 different theories as to what things he'd value and you could spin it either way. And here's mine:

I take the view that footballers don't think like fans. They're not obsessed with trophies. They want to win and be very famous and in the top bracket of footballers. In order to do that, they can't play for Doncastwood Argyle. They need to play at the highest level and Arsenal are playing at the highest level (the European Cup). Some players (and I think Van Persie is one) like being the big fish in a reasonable-sized pond. They want a lot of money though and if Arsenal are to keep him they have to be prepared to give him a lot of money. If I was Van Persie and even if I didn't really care about Arsenal, I'd know that I could be the king at this club. I would've spent 7 years here already, if I stay for another 5, job done - legend status, hero status, worshipped by every gooner. If I leave now, I won't be a hero here or anywhere else. I wouldn't be a 'legend' of any club. I'm 29 years old and I've got about 3/4 years at the top (if that, considering my injury proneness) and even if I move to Barcelona or Real Madrid and win a couple of titles, I'm not going to be a club legend at those places either. I'll have a shiny medal to show my grandkids. If I stay at Arsenal, I might not have that shiny medal. But, when I'm retired and I'm walking near the stadium and go to a game, I'll get more people telling me how great I was that the kudos is better than the shiny medal for something Barcelona or Real Madrid or Man City probably would've done whether or not I was there. Think about how valued Bergkamp is and how valued Henry is amongst Arsenal fans. That could be me and I'd choose getting a free pint and hero status over anything else (assuming, as I said, I was playing at the highest level).

I think if Henry had to make a choice again, he wouldn't have gone to Barcelona. Hope he had a word with RVP when he was over.

i'm not sure myself, as Henry's legendary status was already secured at the club and he got the final piece of the jigsaw to go with the title, domestic cup, wc and euro, something that we know he very much wanted.

you are right that players don't think like fans although i would say we are less obsessed with trophies than players probably are. the vast majority of players will always have to find other reasons to play the game at any level as they will never win a trophy of note but every player wants to win. win a tackle, a header, a game - the drive is to win the immediate competition you are part of. so i think it follows that players are driven far more by the idea of silverware than we fans are, as it is the ultimate sequential goal of their competitive nature.

it's a tough call to know if a player would value status over medals or vice versa but an interesting question. perhaps when they reach their late 50/60's as more reflection of their life comes into their mind the status thing would mean more but how many of us look that far ahead?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Are we going to offer him four years, then? Would be a bit unWUMgerish. But I think he's about the same age as Henry when all those shenanigans were going on. Think his was a four-year deal with a shitload of loyalty cash on top. Who knows. It'd be a big commitment from the club. The pragmatists would give him three.

Don't know how much that'll affect things. Don't know anything, really.

Maybe he'll sign a 2 year extension to his current deal just t see how things go in the next couple of seasons.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We'll find out at some point. You can run through 100 different theories as to what things he'd value and you could spin it either way. And here's mine:

I take the view that footballers don't think like fans. They're not obsessed with trophies. They want to win and be very famous and in the top bracket of footballers. In order to do that, they can't play for Doncastwood Argyle. They need to play at the highest level and Arsenal are playing at the highest level (the European Cup). Some players (and I think Van Persie is one) like being the big fish in a reasonable-sized pond. They want a lot of money though and if Arsenal are to keep him they have to be prepared to give him a lot of money. If I was Van Persie and even if I didn't really care about Arsenal, I'd know that I could be the king at this club. I would've spent 7 years here already, if I stay for another 5, job done - legend status, hero status, worshipped by every gooner. If I leave now, I won't be a hero here or anywhere else. I wouldn't be a 'legend' of any club. I'm 29 years old and I've got about 3/4 years at the top (if that, considering my injury proneness) and even if I move to Barcelona or Real Madrid and win a couple of titles, I'm not going to be a club legend at those places either. I'll have a shiny medal to show my grandkids. If I stay at Arsenal, I might not have that shiny medal. But, when I'm retired and I'm walking near the stadium and go to a game, I'll get more people telling me how great I was that the kudos is better than the shiny medal for something Barcelona or Real Madrid or Man City probably would've done whether or not I was there. Think about how valued Bergkamp is and how valued Henry is amongst Arsenal fans. That could be me and I'd choose getting a free pint and hero status over anything else (assuming, as I said, I was playing at the highest level).

I think if Henry had to make a choice again, he wouldn't have gone to Barcelona. Hope he had a word with RVP when he was over.

Can't disagree with any of that.

[IBK]

We'll find out at some point. You can run through 100 different theories as to what things he'd value and you could spin it either way. And here's mine:

I take the view that footballers don't think like fans. They're not obsessed with trophies. They want to win and be very famous and in the top bracket of footballers. In order to do that, they can't play for Doncastwood Argyle. They need to play at the highest level and Arsenal are playing at the highest level (the European Cup). Some players (and I think Van Persie is one) like being the big fish in a reasonable-sized pond. They want a lot of money though and if Arsenal are to keep him they have to be prepared to give him a lot of money. If I was Van Persie and even if I didn't really care about Arsenal, I'd know that I could be the king at this club. I would've spent 7 years here already, if I stay for another 5, job done - legend status, hero status, worshipped by every gooner. If I leave now, I won't be a hero here or anywhere else. I wouldn't be a 'legend' of any club. I'm 29 years old and I've got about 3/4 years at the top (if that, considering my injury proneness) and even if I move to Barcelona or Real Madrid and win a couple of titles, I'm not going to be a club legend at those places either. I'll have a shiny medal to show my grandkids. If I stay at Arsenal, I might not have that shiny medal. But, when I'm retired and I'm walking near the stadium and go to a game, I'll get more people telling me how great I was that the kudos is better than the shiny medal for something Barcelona or Real Madrid or Man City probably would've done whether or not I was there. Think about how valued Bergkamp is and how valued Henry is amongst Arsenal fans. That could be me and I'd choose getting a free pint and hero status over anything else (assuming, as I said, I was playing at the highest level).

I think if Henry had to make a choice again, he wouldn't have gone to Barcelona. Hope he had a word with RVP when he was over.


I love this post. :gp:

[Cripps_orig]

I think players would rather have trophies and medals to show for their career

[IBK]

Isnt the issue going to be over the length of the contrat. He clearly wants 4 years at at least £150,000 per week. Wenger will be worried with his injury record that he wont play enough. Guess it comes down to how much Wenger wants to keep him.

I just think Wenger will not allow last Summer to happen again. I mean Wenger knows he doesn't have much longer. How many times can he pull himself back from losing the heart of his team? If RVP does not actively want out, I'm hopeful that Wenger will do what is needed. I think that AW ultimately gives in when its obvious a player doesn't want to play for him any more. Always has because he respects his players. An RVP wanting to be convinced to stay where he wants to be, rather than talked out of a decision already made to leave might be different.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think players would rather have trophies and medals to show for their career

Thats modern day footballers that is. They'd also have 300K that goes along with all that too.

[Marc Overmars]

I guess players like Sheerah and Le Tisser are an example of hero status being enough. Although they're from another era, you'd be hard pressed to find a player like them these days.

[Cripps_orig]

Alan Shearer i guess is the perfect example of what Syn is talking about

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I guess players like Sheerah and Le Tisser are an example of hero status being enough. Although they're from another era, you'd be hard pressed to find a player like them these days.

Yep this is what i meant. Modern footballer is different. That loyalty thing is more or less a thing of the past.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Thats morden day footballers that is. They'd also have 300K that goes along with all that too.

When I lived near Tooting Broadway I often got drunk and ended up there on the last tube.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

When I lived near Tooting Broadway I often got drunk and ended up there on the last tube.


Tooting :bow: Where i have to get off on the tube.

[-Xs-]

I just think Wenger will not allow last Summer to happen again. I mean Wenger knows he doesn't have much longer. How many times can he pull himself back from losing the heart of his team?

Doesn't he do it every year though? (Alright, maybe not always heart, but often valuable players)

Vieira - 2005
Cole, Pires, Bergkamp, Campbell - 2006
Henry, Lauren, Reyes, Ljungberg - 2007
Hleb, Flamini, Silva, Lehman - 2008
Toure, Adebayor - 2009
Gallas - 2010
Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas, Eboue (steady) - 2011

We have basically sold/lost our 'star' players every summer for quite some time now. Not really good enough for a team with title aspirations - but I guess, we aren't one anymore.

[Coney]

He might not have felt in a position to offer them what they wanted. Was the wage structure enforced by the board or Wenger? I know Wenger said things about the structure but he is a loyal employee - once the board has made it's decision, he would not be seen criticising it in public, even if he disagreed. A comment he let slip about the ****ley **** saga implied it was not under his full control. Negotiations with RvP, roumour has it, might include breaking the current wage structure. Given the board must bow to Kroenke's wishes, that might have changed. (I know they have wage structures in the US, but Kroenke might be a smart enough businessman not to apply US methods to non-US companies.

[IBK]

Doesn't he do it every year though? (Alright, maybe not always heart, but often valuable players)

Vieira - 2005
Cole, Pires, Bergkamp, Campbell - 2006
Henry, Lauren, Reyes, Ljungberg - 2007
Hleb, Flamini, Silva, Lehman - 2008
Toure, Adebayor - 2009
Gallas - 2010
Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas, Eboue (steady) - 2011

We have basically sold/lost our 'star' players every summer for quite some time now. Not really good enough for a team with title aspirations - but I guess, we aren't one anymore.

Last summer was different. By and large, with the noteable exception of 2008 with Hleb and Flamini, Wenger intended to sell, or at least anticipated the sale of the players mentioned. The departures affected our team, but didn't send it into meltdown like last Summer. Wenger took his eye off the ball last Summer, and clearly didn't anticipate those 2 tossers going. I don't think he will do the same with RVP.

[IBK]

Plus its exactly this issue that I'm getting at on the other thread. I think Wenger has to shoulder much of the blame for misjudging last Summer, but regarding the other departures, I wonder if its fair to point the finger at him? Because doing so suggests that we as a club are capable of holding onto top players. nd I think that we need to accept that financially, and therefore performance-wise, we are simply aren't in a position to do so. I'd even go so far as to say that because of Wenger's rep and the perception that a) We play football in the right way b) We give young players an opportunity and c) We treat our players wth respect and do business the right way - we are, and have been punching above our weight for years as regards our ability to attract talent. Its no surprise that this talent gets its head turned at a later stage.

[AKBapologist]

My view?

I think RVP is an Arsenal Fan. And like all fans in his position, he wants to use every single iota of leverage and influence he can to change the direction of the club. I don't think it's about money, more fed up like we all are of watching richer club stockpile talent, whilst we scrape by buying the bare minium we need to stay competitive. Like all fans, he would rather he won trophies here, however, as a competitive professional sportsman, he wants his career to mean something, which is difficult being in a club effectively running an academy model.

Make no doubt, RVP is in an exceptionally strong position, or, conversely, Wenger and the Board are in a very tight corner. Personally, if they can't promise signings, they should have done what Fergie did to Rooney and gave him a 250k per week contract without any messing around. The moral sapping nature of another star leaving can't be underestimated - not just on fans, but on our current squad, and any prospective transfer target we'd have in mind - it would pretty much put an end to any notion that we're competing. Even RVP being forced to stay a year before leaving on a free would be a diaster. It's quite depressing seeing the club fuck around with this.

[AKBapologist]

Plus its exactly this issue that I'm getting at on the other thread. I think Wenger has to shoulder much of the blame for misjudging last Summer, but regarding the other departures, I wonder if its fair to point the finger at him? Because doing so suggests that we as a club are capable of holding onto top players. nd I think that we need to accept that financially, and therefore performance-wise, we are simply aren't in a position to do so. I'd even go so far as to say that because of Wenger's rep and the perception that a) We play football in the right way b) We give young players an opportunity and c) We treat our players wth respect and do business the right way - we are, and have been punching above our weight for years as regards our ability to attract talent. Its no surprise that this talent gets its head turned at a later stage.
It's funny, people will point at newcastle, dortmund or lile as prove you don't need loads of money to get the odd bit of success, but, like we've seen season over season, there star players will be ripped apart from the club by richer teams and big promises of sustained glory. The fact we've *survived* for so long is supprising in many aspects, however, if the club still insists we're challenging, and insists on charging fans the highest ticket prices in europe, it needs to behave like those bigger, richer clubs. If it can't, or won't, it needs to drop the charade.

[IBK]

My view?

I think RVP is an Arsenal Fan. And like all fans in his position, he wants to use every single iota of leverage and influence he can to change the direction of the club. I don't think it's about money, more fed up like we all are of watching richer club stockpile talent, whilst we scrape by buying the bare minium we need to stay competitive. Like all fans, he would rather he won trophies here, however, as a competitive professional sportsman, he wants his career to mean something, which is difficult being in a club effectively running an academy model.

Make no doubt, RVP is in an exceptionally strong position, or, conversely, Wenger and the Board are in a very tight corner. Personally, if they can't promise signings, they should have done what Fergie did to Rooney and gave him a 250k per week contract without any messing around. The moral sapping nature of another star leaving can't be underestimated - not just on fans, but on our current squad, and any prospective transfer target we'd have in mind - it would pretty much put an end to any notion that we're competing. Even RVP being forced to stay a year before leaving on a free would be a diaster. It's quite depressing seeing the club fuck around with this.

I agree - and who would it be most sapping on? Our manager. I can see him being finished off if RVP leaves - how many times can you put eveything you have into a team, merely to make up the 2 steps back you take when a key player leaves?

[KSE Comedy Club]

My view?

I think RVP is an Arsenal Fan. And like all fans in his position, he wants to use every single iota of leverage and influence he can to change the direction of the club. I don't think it's about money, more fed up like we all are of watching richer club stockpile talent, whilst we scrape by buying the bare minium we need to stay competitive. Like all fans, he would rather he won trophies here, however, as a competitive professional sportsman, he wants his career to mean something, which is difficult being in a club effectively running an academy model.

Make no doubt, RVP is in an exceptionally strong position, or, conversely, Wenger and the Board are in a very tight corner. Personally, if they can't promise signings, they should have done what Fergie did to Rooney and gave him a 250k per week contract without any messing around. The moral sapping nature of another star leaving can't be underestimated - not just on fans, but on our current squad, and any prospective transfer target we'd have in mind - it would pretty much put an end to any notion that we're competing. Even RVP being forced to stay a year before leaving on a free would be a diaster. It's quite depressing seeing the club fuck around with this.:gp:

This is it in a nutshell I reckon.

Its obvious that the team loves having him as captain and I think we should credit more to him for how the team have started to gel over the last 6 months than we should anyone else.

But its all about player signings I think.

[Niall_Quinn]

My view?

I think RVP is an Arsenal Fan. And like all fans in his position, he wants to use every single iota of leverage and influence he can to change the direction of the club. I don't think it's about money, more fed up like we all are of watching richer club stockpile talent, whilst we scrape by buying the bare minium we need to stay competitive. Like all fans, he would rather he won trophies here, however, as a competitive professional sportsman, he wants his career to mean something, which is difficult being in a club effectively running an academy model.

Make no doubt, RVP is in an exceptionally strong position, or, conversely, Wenger and the Board are in a very tight corner. Personally, if they can't promise signings, they should have done what Fergie did to Rooney and gave him a 250k per week contract without any messing around. The moral sapping nature of another star leaving can't be underestimated - not just on fans, but on our current squad, and any prospective transfer target we'd have in mind - it would pretty much put an end to any notion that we're competing. Even RVP being forced to stay a year before leaving on a free would be a diaster. It's quite depressing seeing the club fuck around with this.

I think a lot of this will come down to the medical history. Is he finally over all those injuries or not? Because £250K a week (we will never offer that) is a significant portion of our revenue and RvP will be looking for the final contract, 4 years I would think. (This is why City's achievement just doesn't measure up, they don't need to consider things like this so they aren't really part of everyday football as such.)

I can see what you are saying though. For as much as we get frustrated by what goes on, what must it be like to be directly involved? And have your livlihood depend on it? And for all the talk of big money, once you get it you get used to it. I've had money and I've been skint, you adjust your lifestyle accordingly and take it for granted to a degree. Best I can imagine this is when I worked for a small company that had big, big potential (as in we all could have been rich) if only the management had taken some very simple steps and stopped fucking around. I had the "stop fucking around and I'll stay" meeting with them. It wasn't about the money, it was about what we could achieve if only we got our act sorted out. We decided to go bust instead, which was another way to go for sure. But it was so frustrating it was tempting to leave just to get away from the shit and even though it would have been counterproductive. The guys I worked with were all good guys, it's just we didn't see eye to eye on how things were being run. If that's the situation RvP is in then he's gone because Stan won't be changing his business model (which is bound to be carefully considered and long term) to take RvP's views into account. This is what "nobody is bigger than the team" REALLY means - it means the guy at the top will decide and everyone else can fuck off. It's a noble way of saying my way or the highway.

If Stan understands even a bit about football or he's prepared to listen to somebody who has a better understanding then he may realise the RvP situation is so much more than just how many goals and how many points one player can contribute. It's about the philosophy of the club at this point in time. Have we done the stadium thing now? Are we keeping the promises made to the fans who in the end have financed the whole deal? Are we keeping RvP to signify our transition from a club in development to one that is ready to challenge at the top tier? Or are we still a selling club because other matters (financial) are of greater importance?

This is such a massive transfer window. If we go an make a profit again then it sets the tone for Stan's tenure. It'll all be about making money and doing the bare minimum in terms of competing - again! What will we be able to do as fans if this is the case? Nothing.

Is RvP considering all these issues? I should think so.

[IBK]

Or are we over-complicating things?

Assuming that RVP is happy at Arsenal, which is likely, I think his decision will boil down to 3 things:

1. Package
2. Does he think we will challenge for the title next season
3. His family - settled or good to go

[Cripps_orig]

Or are we over-complicating things?

Assuming that RVP is happy at Arsenal, which is likely, I think his decision will boil down to 3 things:

1. Package
2. Does he think we will challenge for the title next season
3. His family - settled or good to go

1 - Think thats more down to his wife being happy with that
2 - Unlikely
3 - Not as big a deal as its made out to be. Family go where the moneymaker goes

[Niall_Quinn]

1 - Think thats more down to his wife being happy with that
2 - Unlikely
3 - Not as big a deal as its made out to be. Family go where the moneymaker goes

On #3 I agree, I doubt this will be a huge factor and when you're looking at £250K a week it's something that can easily be sorted.

[LDG]

On #3 I agree, I doubt this will be a huge factor and when you're looking at £250K a week it's something that can easily be sorted.

Yeah. "Mum, but I wanna stay in this school, and be with my friends"

"It's ok dear, it's only a short private jet ride away"

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah. "Mum, but I wanna stay in this school, and be with my friends"

"It's ok dear, it's only a short private jet ride away"

More like, "Nanny - take her away please and dress her in some designer gear"

[IBK]

On #3 I agree, I doubt this will be a huge factor and when you're looking at £250K a week it's something that can easily be sorted.

Depends on the family, methinks. Let's face it on £150K pw you can pretty much do what you like. Like I said money will be factor #1. I can't help thinking that for these footballers the wage figure is as much a pissing contest as anything else.

[AKBapologist]

I think a lot of this will come down to the medical history.
RVP's medical history is full of completely unrelated contact injuries that came from bad conditioning and bad luck. He could get injured tomorrow and it would, in all likelyhood, have absolutely nothing to do with any injury he had prior.

Stan is running this club in name only. Sure, he'll jet over here to fight any fires, but he has no clue, and know's he has know clue, how to run this club. Without a vision for what this club should be, he's defaulting to his subordinates, which makes the whole wenger out nonesense retarded. It's like expecting a ship to steer in a straight line without a captain wheel, whilst complaining about the rudder when it doesn't.

[Niall_Quinn]

RVP's medical history is full of completely unrelated contact injuries that came from bad conditioning and bad luck. He could get injured tomorrow and it would, in all likelyhood, have absolutely nothing to do with any injury he had prior.

Stan is running this club in name only. Sure, he'll jet over here to fight any fires, but he has no clue, and know's he has know clue, how to run this club. Without a vision for what this club should be, he's defaulting to his subordinates, which makes the whole wenger out nonesense retarded. It's like expecting a ship to steer in a straight line without a captain wheel, whilst complaining about the rudder when it doesn't.

Stan may know shit about football but he'll be shit hot when it comes to extracting cash out of a going concern. Really depends how he wants to go about it, either as a builder (for bigger though riskier profits) or as a raider, as in take what you can get and dump the remains.

[IBK]

RVP's medical history is full of completely unrelated contact injuries that came from bad conditioning and bad luck. He could get injured tomorrow and it would, in all likelyhood, have absolutely nothing to do with any injury he had prior.

Stan is running this club in name only. Sure, he'll jet over here to fight any fires, but he has no clue, and know's he has know clue, how to run this club. Without a vision for what this club should be, he's defaulting to his subordinates, which makes the whole wenger out nonesense retarded. It's like expecting a ship to steer in a straight line without a captain wheel, whilst complaining about the rudder when it doesn't.

Re Kroenke. He has gone on record as saying that he relies on AW to make decisions. My take is that if Wenger pushes for it, Kroenke will do what Wenger wants re RVP. My concern is that if we get to 200K+ wage demands, Wenger, not Kroenke will cut loose.

[Niall_Quinn]

Re Kroenke. He has gone on record as saying that he relies on AW to make decisions. My take is that if Wenger pushes for it, Kroenke will do what Wenger wants re RVP. My concern is that if we get to 200K+ wage demands, Wenger, not Kroenke will cut loose.

Didn't happen with Fabregas and huuuuuuuuge **** though.

[LDG]

Stan may know shit about football but he'll be shit hot when it comes to extracting cash out of a going concern. Really depends how he wants to go about it, either as a builder (for bigger though riskier profits) or as a raider, as in take what you can get and dump the remains.

Arse-raider.

LOL!!

[IBK]

Didn't happen with Fabregas and huuuuuuuuge **** though.

Fabregas wanted out. Wenger ultimately agreed. Wasn't about wage packet.

[AKBapologist]

Fabregas wanted out. Wenger ultimately agreed. Wasn't about wage packet.
And Nasri or Adebyor?

[LDG]

And Nasri or Adebyor?

That was all about ambition and trophies.

As well you know.

[IBK]

And Nasri or Adebyor?

Adebayor was over. Wenger was content to see him go. There waas no keeping Na$ri, who'd decided that as he already looked like a woman who loves c unt, he might as well be the biggest one he could be.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Adebayor was over. Wenger was content to see him go. There waas no keeping Na$ri, who'd decided that as he already looked like a woman who loves c unt, he might as well be the biggest one he could be.:haha:

[Power n Glory]

Re Kroenke. He has gone on record as saying that he relies on AW to make decisions. My take is that if Wenger pushes for it, Kroenke will do what Wenger wants re RVP. My concern is that if we get to 200K+ wage demands, Wenger, not Kroenke will cut loose.

I agree. Earlier in the year, Wenger hinted that it might not be financially wise to offer a player that's a approaching 30 a massive contract because he's hit his peak and will be on the decline. We had a discussion about this on GW earlier in the year and it's good indication of how he's thinking. Why offer that sort of information up and why is he thinking about value for money when his captain and best player is about to enter contract talks? Shouldn't the priority be to keep your best players? This can't be laid at Stan's doorstep. If Wenger is willing such a public statement like that, what's stopping him saying that to the men that are in their negotiating RVP's contract terms?

[GP]

If his wage demands are anything like £200k, letting him go will undoubtedly be the right thing.

[Letters]

If his wage demands are anything like £200k, letting him go will undoubtedly be the right thing.
Dunno. CL qualification more than pays for that.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Adebayor was over. Wenger was content to see him go. There waas no keeping Na$ri, who'd decided that as he already looked like a woman who loves c unt, he might as well be the biggest one he could be.

Lol
Best post I've seen on here in a while

[Power n Glory]

Dunno. CL qualification more than pays for that.

Get rid of a couple of bench warmers and that covers it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Get rid of a couple of bench warmers and that covers it.

What's RvP on now? Kick Chamakh out and that's an extra £65K for Robin. £52K more from Nik. Those two add nothing so bring a couple of kids through on a fiver each and we're better off.

[Syn]

What's RvP on now? Kick Chamakh out and that's an extra £65K for Robin. £52K more from Nik. Those two add nothing so bring a couple of kids through on a fiver each and we're better off.

FFS NQ - how many times - We can't kick Chamakh and Bendtner out, we need to find clubs that will take them on the wages they're on. And nobody will.

[Power n Glory]

What's RvP on now? Kick Chamakh out and that's an extra £65K for Robin. £52K more from Nik. Those two add nothing so bring a couple of kids through on a fiver each and we're better off.

I think he's on 90k a week at the moment. It's very simple but we won't do this. We'll still try to maintain this wage structure.

[Cripps_orig]

Plenty of French clubs will take Chamakh tbh.

Hes done well in that country and having the most goals scored in consecutive games in the CL on his CV will help as it shows he can come up with the goods

Bendtner, yeah hes shit. Hes ours for keeps til his contract ends and hes off on a free to a club for £5k a week cos hes not worth more than that

[Power n Glory]

FFS NQ - how many times - We can't kick Chamakh and Bendtner out, we need to find clubs that will take them on the wages they're on. And nobody will.

True. It's the sort of problem City and Chelsea have had.

[Niall_Quinn]

FFS NQ - how many times - We can't kick Chamakh and Bendtner out, we need to find clubs that will take them on the wages they're on. And nobody will.

Kill them then.

[Niall_Quinn]

How comes banks and other companies have been able to force staff to renegotiate their current contracts at less favourable terms, using "austerity measures" and the ongoing (staged) recession as an excuse? Can't footie clubs do this too? I thought players wanted to be subject to the same T&Cs "enjoyed" by normal employees else what was Bosman all about? Just tell Nik austerity measures means he'll have to take a £51,995 pay cut per week and there's precedent and there's fuck all he can do about it. Tell him he can leave if he doesn't like it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

MON is stupid enough to buy Bendtner and for a decent fee too.

[Syn]

I do think Bendtner might find a way out actually. Really hope he has a good Euros. He hasn't exactly had an awful season at Sunderland. I'm sure we won't haggle over the transfer fee so whoever is willing to take him off our hands, we'll let them. Just not sure the type of clubs looking for Bendtner are the type of clubs who can afford £52k. But from abroad, maybe taxes are lower and he can make up the difference on a lower salary.

There should be takers for Vela. Arshavin? Depends on the Euros. Again the problem will be matching his wages.

I think we'll get rid of a lot. We'll have to. Ask Wenger says, we have 34 players on our books and we're allowed 25. But the players we'll let go of - Almunia, Squillaci, Park or whoever - they won't be the high earners so it won't make too much difference IMO. If we can find takers for Chamakh, Denilson, Bendtner and Arshavin, we're laughing.

[Boss]

Doubt Van Persie isn't signing because of money, assume it's because of lack of ambition shown to him by Wenger & the board in their 'talks'.

Wouldn't blame him for leaving.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Kill them then.

When in doubt, snuff them out. . .

[Cripps_orig]

Barca reject the chance to get RVP cos of his age and cost

[Niall_Quinn]

Barca reject the chance to get RVP cos of his age and cost

Probably the first salvo in a broadside of bullshit and tapping-up from them this summer.

[Marc Overmars]

Barca. :lol:

He's too good for them anyway.

[Ernesto]

Some City fans think he's destined to go to the Etihad. :unsure:

Don't think so meself.

[fakeyank]

I think he will end up at Real Madrid and we will do a swap for Higuain + 10 million. I believe he loves Arsenal a lot and wont move within England. Italian clubs are shit and wont play the style he wants. Barca wont come back to us because they have burnt a lot of bridges with us.. realistically its only Real to me.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some City fans think he's destined to go to the Etihad. :unsure:

Don't think so meself.

They just want him to complete the set. The thought of any other team having a £25mill+ striker offends them.

[jelgoon]

I agree that he is unlikely to go to an English club unless he gets really pissed off with the way he feels Arsenal have treated him in the contract negotiations. I also agree that he is unlikely to go to Italy which is not the strong league it used to be. Do Real Madrid want him and have they got the money?


I think he will end up at Real Madrid and we will do a swap for Higuain + 10 million. I believe he loves Arsenal a lot and wont move within England. Italian clubs are shit and wont play the style he wants. Barca wont come back to us because they have burnt a lot of bridges with us.. realistically its only Real to me.

[fakeyank]

I agree that he is unlikely to go to an English club unless he gets really pissed off with the way he feels Arsenal have treated him in the contract negotiations. I also agree that he is unlikely to go to Italy which is not the strong league it used to be. Do Real Madrid want him and have they got the money?

I think Real will do a swap. May be it'll be Higuain + cash or Benzema + cash. Knowing our shit business acumen in transfers, I see us not getting any cash and having a straight swap. Out of Higuain and Benzema, I think Benzeme could do a job for us but with our luck, it'll be Higuain. :lol:

[Ollie the Optimist]

nobody knows what was said at the meeting yesterday, no one knows what was offered to RVP or what he asked for so this bullshit from john cross is exactly that, how the fuck can he know what was said at a private meeting? hes staying, im utterly convinced of it

[Marc Overmars]

I know what was said.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Hope RVP took a massive shit in Wenger's toilet

[Master Splinter]

RVP saw Wenget pumping the sweat in to his car and decided he would prefer the petrol of Citeh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think he will end up at Real Madrid and we will do a swap for Higuain + 10 million. I believe he loves Arsenal a lot and wont move within England. Italian clubs are shit and wont play the style he wants. Barca wont come back to us because they have burnt a lot of bridges with us.. realistically its only Real to me.

You serious you think we'd get Benzema or Higuain for RVP. Would be good deal if we did get that tbh.

[GP]

Donna Summer is dead.

[fakeyank]

You serious you think we'd get Benzema or Higuain for RVP. Would be good deal if we did get that tbh.

To lose a proven EPL scorer for either of them does not seem like a great deal to me. However if we are to lose RVP, Benzema or Giguain are good replacements. Better than getting useless strikers like Chakma, Chu etc

[fakeyank]

Donna Summer is dead.

Dont know who she is.. wasnt popular in Sri Lanka, so she is a nobody tbh :coffee:

[Niall_Quinn]

Donna Summer is dead.

Don't think she would have come here anyway, not with what we pay.

[Niall_Quinn]

You serious you think we'd get Benzema or Higuain for RVP. Would be good deal if we did get that tbh.

They can fuck off, RvP is twice as good as both of them.

Well maybe Higuain is okay but we should swap Chamakh instead. Don't see any reason why they wouldn't go for that.

[Cripps_orig]

They can fuck off, RvP is twice as good as both of them.

Well maybe Higuain is okay but we should swap Chamakh instead. Don't see any reason why they wouldn't go for that.Both are quality tbh

[Niall_Quinn]

Both are quality tbh

Ring Chamakh and tell him he's out and fax Real the paperwork will you?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Donna Summer is dead.

FFS Ramsey.

[Cripps_orig]

Although we all know what will happen. We reach the end of the season and RVP says he is concentrating on Euro 2012 and doesnt want to talk about it til after Euro 2012. After Euro 2012 he goes on holiday so doesnt want to talk til he comes back. When he comes back, the season starts and he justs want to concentrate on the season ahead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18067568

:lol:

Me :bow:

RVPs gone

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18067568

:lol:

Me :bow:

RVPs gone

Kos Seems to think Diffrent.


Laurent Koscielny is confident he will stay.
"He will be here next season," said the defender, who scored Arsenal's winner at The Hawthorns.
"He was a fantastic captain, he was so important for us. He will be here scoring goals for us next season."

[Cripps_orig]

I hope Kos is right

[Marc Overmars]

Hmm, I don't like he fact he's gone away now with Holland with talks still up in the air.

I do fancy him to stay but it's touch and go.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://rushtravel.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/AdCSPF6CEAAmNGE.jpg

Nothing gets past Kos.

[Letters]

http://rushtravel.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/AdCSPF6CEAAmNGE.jpg

Nothing gets past Kos.
:haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Adolf Koscielny. :bow:

[selassie]

I suppose we can comfort ourselves in the fact that if he does go and that's still a big IF we won't sell him to Citeh or United.

Like MO said it's still touch and go, I've no idea whether he'll be here or not next season.

[Ralpheroo72]

Pat stating the obvious

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2145995/Patrick-Vieira-warns-Arsenal-Robin-van-Persie-costs-risk-high-profile-departures.html

Every summer its the same, why do the club allow contracts to run out like this? Gazidis isnt up to the gig. We have Bendtner on 52k a week, yet we allow RVP, Nasri etc contracts run down?

[-Xs-]

We simply can not sell our top striker to city.

If he's going to go, it needs to be either abroad, or he can leave for nothing at the end of next season.

The money is irrelevant as we never see it anyway.

[fakeyank]

I hope Kos is right

Unfortunately you will be right.

What AW and IG can do in the meantime is get some good players to sign up and show RVP some ambition. Is that going to happen? No. AW will then come out towards the end of the transfer window with shit like "I can write a book about this summer".. I bet he is writing the sequel to last years shit.. make it bigger and better.

:ilt:

[-Xs-]

Him joining up with NL cup squad without signing doesn't fill me with a great deal of confidence that he is staying. It makes me think that he doesn't really want to stay.

Maybe we agreed to sell him if a big team comes in for him based on him having a good euro's.

Annoying it is. Means we have a lovely summer of every City player, manager, and his dog coming out and saying how great RvP will be playing for them next season.

[Thierrymon]

I will be pretty dissapointed in RVP if he decides to leave, given how we helped develop him into the player he is and stuck by him through all his injuries. But if he does decide to leave its really our own fault, how have we managed to get one of best players into his last year of contract again?

I am sick of players deserting their clubs claiming they need trophies to match their ambitions. There is nothing ambitious about what players like nasri have done. They are a nobody within their club and contributing little towards any success the club has. They are just people taking the easy route through their career.

Surely becoming a legend at your club is more memorable and rewarding than any shiny medals you might win.

[forsberg2110]

I will be pretty dissapointed in RVP if he decides to leave, given how we helped develop him into the player he is and stuck by him through all his injuries. But if he does decide to leave its really our own fault, how have we managed to get one of best players into his last year of contract again?

I am sick of players deserting their clubs claiming they need trophies to match their ambitions. There is nothing ambitious about what players like nasri have done. They are a nobody within their club and contributing little towards any success the club has. They are just people taking the easy route through their career.

Surely becoming a legend at your club is more memorable and rewarding than any shiny medals you might win.



That would make sense to any football fan ..But to a player, no matter who he is ..its all about the $$$$$...Players dont care about the fans or the club.

There is a 99% chance RVP leaves, the is really no point to discuss this any further...AFC is run by economic majors and selling Rvp for 20 millions is all they care about.. When Rvp leaves the rest will follow

Its going to be sad watching Arsenal battle for the middle of the table,for the years to come, but atleast the owners will still be making money

[Power n Glory]

Plus we still haven't sorted Theo's contract. Another summer of speculation and tension. But this was all said last season when we had the Nasri and Cesc speculation but nothing was done about it.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Adolf Koscielny. :bow:Fake Germans :bow:

[jelgoon]

What is Vieira up to anyway. He doesnt give a shit about Arsenal retaining its best players - he is one of our main rivals' development officer ffs. I think his comments to the media today are calculated to undermine our club and unsettle our best players so that Man City can poach them. I wouldnt trust him one inch.


Pat stating the obvious

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2145995/Patrick-Vieira-warns-Arsenal-Robin-van-Persie-costs-risk-high-profile-departures.html

Every summer its the same, why do the club allow contracts to run out like this? Gazidis isnt up to the gig. We have Bendtner on 52k a week, yet we allow RVP, Nasri etc contracts run down?

[GP]

Pat being a cunt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2145995/Patrick-Vieira-warns-Arsenal-Robin-van-Persie-costs-risk-high-profile-departures.html



It's what he does best these days.

[Marc Overmars]

Pretty much.

[IBK]

Why is anyone surprised that RVP hasn't signed yet? If we are to challenge again, we need a couple of decent signings. We've done one of the 3 things we need to do to keep RVP at the club. Hopefully, Wednesday saw the club avoid insulting him with a derisory pay offer. Now in a sense the club needs to forget about RVP and secure other signings before RVP returns from the Euro's. I'd include Walcott in this, as he seesm to be a key teammate for Robin. Personally, I hope he is not prolific at the Euro's and this shows him that its Arsenal's set up that makes him a goal machine.

As for why we 'let' our players run their contracts down...I think we have to understand that this is not caused by board incompetence. Last Summer was incompetent in that the manager failed to judge the situation correctly with the 2 pricks who left, but is not the norm. As a club we are capable of signing top talent at the junior end - because we have a reputation that is almost unique among CL stalwarts of giving them a chance to play regular first team football. But we are hamstrung by our inability to win silverware, and in a horrible catch 22 when it comes to our best players leaving. So players hedge their bets because they se us treading water, and are then easy pray for richer, more successful teams. Realsitically, only trophies will result in our best players not allowing the RVP thing to happen.

[Letters]

Is anyone surprised? :unsure:

[GP]

Is anyone surprised? :unsure:

Not a single soul.

[IBK]

Is anyone surprised? :unsure:

Better?

Why hasn't RVP signed yet? If we are to challenge again, we need a couple of decent signings. We've done one of the 3 things we need to do to keep RVP at the club. Hopefully, Wednesday saw the club avoid insulting him with a derisory pay offer. Now in a sense the club needs to forget about RVP and secure other signings before RVP returns from the Euro's. I'd include Walcott in this, as he seesm to be a key teammate for Robin. Personally, I hope he is not prolific at the Euro's and this shows him that its Arsenal's set up that makes him a goal machine.

As for why we 'let' our players run their contracts down...I think we have to understand that this is not caused by board incompetence. Last Summer was incompetent in that the manager failed to judge the situation correctly with the 2 pricks who left, but is not the norm. As a club we are capable of signing top talent at the junior end - because we have a reputation that is almost unique among CL stalwarts of giving them a chance to play regular first team football. But we are hamstrung by our inability to win silverware, and in a horrible catch 22 when it comes to our best players leaving. So players hedge their bets because they se us treading water, and are then easy pray for richer, more successful teams. Realsitically, only trophies will result in our best players not allowing the RVP thing to happen.

[LDG]

Pretty much Sub.

All this bollocks in the press etc is garbage.

It's clear to me at least, that RVP is not ALL about money. He is not that kind of player. He has been completely and utterly professional all season, when the likes of Ade, Nasri and even Cesc were engineering things there way all year.

Not a peep out of Robin, save to say, he will decide in the summer.

To me, that says more about wanting to win trophies, than it does anything else.

And to give him confidence that we can challenge (nobody can say for definite, save City and their money) for trophies, we need to sign quality.

What's to say that the meeting was about new sigings, and assurance that we would be buying quality?? What if Robin said "ok, show me over the next month or so that you mean business, and I'll sign on".

That seems the most logical, and simple outcome to me.

Unless he's about the money. In which case, the **** can **** off to ****ingdom.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What is Vieira up to anyway. He doesnt give a shit about Arsenal retaining its best players - he is one of our main rivals' development officer ffs. I think his comments to the media today are calculated to undermine our club and unsettle our best players so that Man City can poach them. I wouldnt trust him one inch.

Why would he he gets paid by City not us. So its not surprising fir him to say this. But to me he probs never said it the way its been made to look.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much Sub.

All this bollocks in the press etc is garbage.

It's clear to me at least, that RVP is not ALL about money. He is not that kind of player. He has been completely and utterly professional all season, when the likes of Ade, Nasri and even Cesc were engineering things there way all year.

Not a peep out of Robin, save to say, he will decide in the summer.

To me, that says more about wanting to win trophies, than it does anything else.

And to give him confidence that we can challenge (nobody can say for definite, save City and their money) for trophies, we need to sign quality.

What's to say that the meeting was about new sigings, and assurance that we would be buying quality?? What if Robin said "ok, show me over the next month or so that you mean business, and I'll sign on".

That seems the most logical, and simple outcome to me.

Unless he's about the money. In which case, the **** can **** off to ****ingdom.

Pretty much. Robin is a footballing man who loves the game and if he does leave it would have been a long heart felt decision not an easy one as people say.

[Injury Time]

What is Vieira up to anyway. He doesnt give a shit about Arsenal retaining its best players - he is one of our main rivals' development officer ffs. I think his comments to the media today are calculated to undermine our club and unsettle our best players so that Man City can poach them. I wouldnt trust him one inch.probably still texting our players to ask for payrises...wonder if he has kept cashley on speed dial?

[Kano]

Pretty much Sub.

All this bollocks in the press etc is garbage.

It's clear to me at least, that RVP is not ALL about money. He is not that kind of player. He has been completely and utterly professional all season, when the likes of Ade, Nasri and even Cesc were engineering things there way all year.

Not a peep out of Robin, save to say, he will decide in the summer.

To me, that says more about wanting to win trophies, than it does anything else.

And to give him confidence that we can challenge (nobody can say for definite, save City and their money) for trophies, we need to sign quality.

What's to say that the meeting was about new sigings, and assurance that we would be buying quality?? What if Robin said "ok, show me over the next month or so that you mean business, and I'll sign on".

That seems the most logical, and simple outcome to me.

Unless he's about the money. In which case, the **** can **** off to ****ingdom.
i don’t think he is all about the money but he is a very astute guy by the looks of things and is no doubt sitting tight waiting to see what happens during the summer from other clubs. I don’t think it is necessarily just about what we do in the transfer market, as he has seen early signings before (gervinho last season and chamakh before that).

he has been smart enough not to give anything away up til now, as not to weaken his negotiation position as he knows his market value is at its premium and never to be repeated again in his lifetime.

the arsenal management have to put up or shut up now. There was plenty of big talk about a ’72 hour window’ which already seems to be blown out of the water and they have to take control of the situation or face being dicked around for yet another summer of turmoil.

[LDG]

Quite right.

I don't blame him at all for looking after himself. But I do think he loves the club too.

Therefore, it's time for our manager and owners to "put up, or shut up" as you say.

If, IF, we can get some more business done over the next couple of weeks (M'Vila and Kagawa seem like a real show of ambition), we'll be going a long way to helping RVP make the decision.

It's time for us to stop fucking around.

And if we fuck about again, I'm sorry, but RVP has every right to piss off....and I think every gooner in the land will be after heads on plates.

That said, if we do sign quality, and he does piss off, he can do one. Because it would tell us exactly where his prorities lie.

[Alan B'stard]

If he has any ambition he will go. And I dont blame him - city are only getting going so there is no chance to win the league with arsenal before he gets over the hill. LEts face it he isnt exactly a young prospect at 29/30 yrs old.

Also, for all his recent form, he has never played a full season for us at that kind of level. 30 mill for someone getting on a bit and made of glass with one year on his contract? Bite their arm off.

[Kano]

Arsenal's anxiety over Robin van Persie's next career move has been reflected by them barring him from talking to the press while on international duty.

The striker travelled to the Netherlands on Thursday to begin his national team's preparations for the Euro 2012 finals but Dutch reporters, who are used to a relaxed relationship with the players, were told that Van Persie was the only one who would not be addressing them.

"We made a deal with Arsenal and he won't talk to the press," said a KNVB spokesman.

Arsenal are fretful that Van Persie, the talismanic captain, will ignore the new contract that they have put in front of him and seek a fresh challenge. The player, who turns 29 in August, is determined to win a trophy and he has gone seven years without one at Arsenal.

He met the Arsenal manager, Arsène Wenger, and the club's chief executive, Ivan Gazidis, on Wednesday to listen to what they had to say, in terms of money and ambition. Wenger was on record as saying that he wanted to resolve the situation before Van Persie linked up with Holland, partly to help his drive for new signings. He has already signed the striker Lukas Podolski from Köln.

But Van Persie, who has 12 months to run on his contract, has made it clear that he has no intention of re-signing at the moment as he waits for offers to crystallise from his various suitors. Manchester City and Juventus have a firm interest in Van Persie. The PFA and FWA Footballer of the Year would relish an offer from Barcelona.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/18/arsenal-robin-van-persie-holland

[Alan B'stard]

I Hope we keep him, and that the board turn over a new leaf on the ambition thing. I just dont think it will work out that way (but would love to be proven wrong)

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If he has any ambition he will go. And I dont blame him - city are only getting going so there is no chance to win the league with arsenal before he gets over the hill. LEts face it he isnt exactly a young prospect at 29/30 yrs old.

Also, for all his recent form, he has never played a full season for us at that kind of level. 30 mill for someone getting on a bit and made of glass with one year on his contract? Bite their arm off.

Why does it have to be city not, why not abroad. He can win the league with a few clubs or am i wrong?

[Marc Overmars]

I have it on good authority that him and his agent have been given permission to talk to other clubs.

#justsaying

[Alan B'stard]

Why does it have to be city not, why not abroad. He can win the league with a few clubs or am i wrong?
thats what i meanT. no chance to win the league here, which means he should go to CIty, utd, real, barca or possibly juve if he wants to win a title.
Or he can be a big fish in a small pond and collect his 130 grand a week here for no pressure.
Arsenal are not about to bankroll a title charge so those are his choices. Cant see what else arsenal can do to dress it up any more

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I don't think his options are that plentiful, my gut feeling is it will be Citeh or us.

[Özim]

Doesn't seem to be too keen to commit does he, he's definitely considering his options and after talking to some of his Dutch colleagues he may well be charmed by a life elsewhere.

I don't blame him, he's got the chance to possibly move to a very big club and experience glory perhaps and at his age who could blame him for chancing his arm somewhere where it's more likely medals will be forthcoming.

Top footballers surely have ambitions to experience success after all, I'm not convinced any player at the club really believes we can be successful.

[Syn]

I don't think his options are that plentiful, my gut feeling is it will be Citeh or us.

Yes. That's mainly because of us. If Man City give us a £25m offer and Real Madrid or Milan or whoever can't match that, then that's that.

He'll stay.

I think.

Maybe.

[Kano]

I'm not convinced any player at the club really believes we can be successful.
i wouldn't go that far at all but i agree in rvp's case.

[Power n Glory]

It's a smart move and I don't blame him. There is no point in signing the deal now and hoping Wenger/Board sign quality players while he's away. For all he knows, he could come back to a situation where we've sold Theo and Poldoski are our only major signing with a couple of kids being brought in. If he's unsure about his future and our ambition, he shouldn't sign anything this year. That's the smart move. He's happy here and not tied into a long contract. If he sticks to his cards and we try to sell him, then he knows these guys aren't serious. But if we do serious business this summer and he's happy with the situation at the club, he can sign in the winter or end of next season.

He saw what happened with Henry. He was calling for the club to match his 'sporting ambition' but they didn't and he had just signed a massive contract.

[Alan B'stard]

You know, keep him for a year and he will be a 30 year old with a patchy injury record. Even if he is available on a free. At taht point he might not get the bumper deal he wants. He and his agent will know this so there is some pressure on them to get this sealed sooner rather than later too.
They dont know if he will get injured/lose form next year and bugger up their prospects lets face it.

[Lord Nelson]

Not a single soul.

Not surprised, but it breaks my heart to watch the club we love to be taken to the cleaners by the greedy ***** on the board.

No wonder they where pleased when David Dein left (Pushed!), he was the only one willing to spend money and had the clubs interest at heart because he is an Arsenal fan.

I would him to come back and get rid of Gazidis, our beloved club would be in safe hands with people who care>

The excuse for paying for the stadium has gone now, we have had 15 years of CL money and sold many players to pay for it! Times up ***holes!

[Niall_Quinn]

If RvP goes then I hope every Arsenal fan will know how to react towards this board. It must not be pretty, it should be vicious and entirely unreasonable - just as the board has been towards the club. Fight fire with nuclear weapons.

[Alan B'stard]

Not surprised, but it breaks my heart to watch the club we love to be taken to the cleaners by the greedy ***** on the board.

No wonder they where pleased when David Dein left (Pushed!), he was the only one willing to spend money and had the clubs interest at heart because he is an Arsenal fan.

I would him to come back and get rid of Gazidis, our beloved club would be in safe hands with people who care>

The excuse for paying for the stadium has gone now, we have had 15 years of CL money and sold many players to pay for it! Times up ***holes!

never ceases to amaze me how hill wood (who has a piddling number of shares and never took a dividend anyway) is labelled greedy, yet dein who sold out his to the russian for 70 mill is the paragon of charitable giving and a humble servant of the club.

[Niall_Quinn]

never ceases to amaze me how hill wood (who has a piddling number of shares and never took a dividend anyway) is labelled greedy, yet dein who sold out his to the russian for 70 mill is the paragon of charitable giving and a humble servant of the club.

Who cares what their name is, they have all been stuffing their pockets.

[Kano]

never ceases to amaze me how hill wood (who has a piddling number of shares and never took a dividend anyway) is labelled greedy, yet dein who sold out his to the russian for 70 mill is the paragon of charitable giving and a humble servant of the club.
and lets not forget dein was the man who introduced the moustached one to our club

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If RvP goes then I hope every Arsenal fan will know how to react towards this board. It must not be pretty, it should be vicious and entirely unreasonable - just as the board has been towards the club. Fight fire with nuclear weapons.

Trust me if he goes and Especially City, Shit will hit the fan. IMO if he goes to City AW will walk tbh.

[Kano]

Trust me if he goes and Especially City, Shit will hit the fan. IMO if he goes to City AW will walk tbh.
wenger would never be so irresponsible. losing our captain and manager in the same summer, following what happened last season would only lead to a certified finish outside the top 4.

if rvp goes, it won't just be down to the board - every seems to have this idea that if we pay enough he'll stay but the situation involves a bit more than that.

[LDG]

Just sign a shit load of quality players, and I won't give a fuck if he stays or if he goes. And nobody else will either.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

If he joins Citeh then all objectivity goes out of the window tbf. He can fuck off.

[Kano]

If he joins Citeh then all objectivity goes out of the window tbf. He can fuck off.

short. concise. i like it.

[GP]

If he joins Citeh then all objectivity goes out of the window tbf. He can fuck off.

Yeah that would make him a proper cunt.

In fact, I'm going to start calling him a cunt just in case.

[Master Splinter]

Are we cheering RVP at the Euros?

If the greedy, disloyal, ungrateful, mercenary fuck is leaving then I want him and Holland to crash and burn.

If the loyal, grateful, exemplary captain is staying then I hope he is top scorer and Holland win the tournament.

Actually, come on Germany.

Podolski :bow:.

[Niall_Quinn]

wenger would never be so irresponsible. losing our captain and manager in the same summer, following what happened last season would only lead to a certified finish outside the top 4.

if rvp goes, it won't just be down to the board - every seems to have this idea that if we pay enough he'll stay but the situation involves a bit more than that.

Yes it does involve a lot more than that. If RvP stays it probably means we have some sort of ambition to challenge (or football at least gets a look in). If he goes it as much guarantees we have none. What (supposed) top club allows its captain to leave two years running FFS? I'm not as bothered about RvP the player (although I want him to stay) I'm much more interested in what the plans are going forward. If Podolski was signed as a replacement for RvP and that's our business for they year then the executives can all die in a fire as far as I'm concerned. This is their signal to the fans and to football in general, if RvP goes then it's as good as the two fingered salute.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah that would make him a proper cunt.

In fact, I'm going to start calling him a cunt just in case.

How are we going to tell him apart from you then?

[Niall_Quinn]

Just sign a shit load of quality players, and I won't give a fuck if he stays or if he goes. And nobody else will either.

If we do that he'll stay anyway, and maybe he has to stay before a shit load of quality players will sign. It's about the message the board is sending. Wenger has done his part and said he wants RvP here next year. Why doesn't that american **** finally let us know what he plans for the club?

[Niall_Quinn]

Are we cheering RVP at the Euros?

If the greedy, disloyal, ungrateful, mercenary fuck is leaving then I want him and Holland to crash and burn.

If the loyal, grateful, exemplary captain is staying then I hope he is top scorer and Holland win the tournament.

Actually, come on Germany.

Podolski :bow:.

These are the subtleties we are faced with.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

How are we going to tell him apart from you then?

GP won't be wearing a Citeh shirt.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Are we cheering RVP at the Euros?

If the greedy, disloyal, ungrateful, mercenary fuck is leaving then I want him and Holland to crash and burn.

If the loyal, grateful, exemplary captain is staying then I hope he is top scorer and Holland win the tournament.

Actually, come on Germany.

Podolski :bow:.

I suppose he'll still be an Arsenal player so I should hope he does well but I'm not sure I can convince myself.

We know Poldi and and Mertesacker will be Arsenal players for sure so that's where my allegiance will be. :bow:

[LDG]

Poldi :bow:

Merti :bow:

My avatar :bow:

Sausages :bow:

Leather trous.....hmm.

We'll see.

[Alan B'stard]

five years ago RVP was telling skeptics taht this team would be flying in a fwe years after it had been rebuilt. He believed and stuck around.
If he has lost faith in the club its not out of disloyalty - he has earned the right to say bollocks to it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wonder if that £130K offer is real or just bullshit. If real it means the board wants him out and the cash in their pocket again.

[Niall_Quinn]

When contracts are set at £x per week, do these guys get paid every week? Even during the off season? So you literally have to pay then 52 x a stupid amount of dosh per year?

Or is "per week" a media invention?

[Alan B'stard]

Who cares what their name is, they have all been stuffing their pockets.
They have a line abut never taking a dividend / bleeding the club, while Usmanov on buying deins shares did try to do exactly that.
However it doesnt matter - they fleece us, sp[end nothing and the money stays in the club/reduces its debts. All taht happens is that the shares go up in value since we look like such a great business, and then anyone holding shares can cash in.

This is exactly what lady nina, Dein and Fiszman's estate did. ie they got a massive backdated payday. Inf act they paid less tax this way than if they'd taken it as dividends for reasons that I cant be arsed going into right now.

The odd man out is Hill wood. He doesnt have many shares so if anyone can take the high ground and claim to be a servant of the club, its him. He did taht when he told lady nina to enjoy her payday and shut up.

[Niall_Quinn]

They have a line abut never taking a dividend / bleeding the club, while Usmanov on buying deins shares did try to do exactly that.
However it doesnt matter - they fleece us, sp[end nothing and the money stays in the club/reduces its debts. All taht happens is that the shares go up in value since we look like such a great business, and then anyone holding shares can cash in.

This is exactly what lady nina, Dein and Fiszman's estate did. ie they got a massive backdated payday. Inf act they paid less tax this way than if they'd taken it as dividends for reasons that I cant be arsed going into right now.

The odd man out is Hill wood. He doesnt have many shares so if anyone can take the high ground and claim to be a servant of the club, its him. He did taht when he told lady nina to enjoy her payday and shut up.

That's the thing, people say Arsenal hasn't had success for 7 years but there are a handful of sods who have been pretty damn successful when you add it up and at everyone else's expense. And how convenient to have stan lined up once that share price bumped and how utterly convenient to have usmanov in the queue too. It's like pigs lining up to bury their snouts as deeply as possible. I suppose Gazidis' job is really to say, don't look over there - look here.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

wenger would never be so irresponsible. losing our captain and manager in the same summer, following what happened last season would only lead to a certified finish outside the top 4.

if rvp goes, it won't just be down to the board - every seems to have this idea that if we pay enough he'll stay but the situation involves a bit more than that.

Verry true and i know if RVP goes it won't be just down to the board.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If he has any ambition he will go. And I dont blame him - city are only getting going so there is no chance to win the league with arsenal before he gets over the hill. LEts face it he isnt exactly a young prospect at 29/30 yrs old.

Also, for all his recent form, he has never played a full season for us at that kind of level. 30 mill for someone getting on a bit and made of glass with one year on his contract? Bite their arm off.

Being thinking about this, and your right. We don't know if we will have another season like this one with RVP. Whos's to know one injury and we could be fecked.

Like you say if they offered 30 mill for him then we should take it, even Henry went for less and he was better. Ithink we should try and get some Players in exchange.

Just show some ambtion ffs. If he goes he goes just Spend some fecking money on quality replacements.

If that means he goes to city and we get Johnson and Dzeko plus cash in exchange. Or goes to real and we get Cash plus Benzema in exchange.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If we do that he'll stay anyway, and maybe he has to stay before a shit load of quality players will sign. It's about the message the board is sending. Wenger has done his part and said he wants RvP here next year. Why doesn't that american **** finally let us know what he plans for the club?

He also said he'd never Sell to City again though. not that we will. but who know. But i agree Stan needs to man up and And tell Wenger whats what of Get the fuck out the club.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They have a line abut never taking a dividend / bleeding the club, while Usmanov on buying deins shares did try to do exactly that.
However it doesnt matter - they fleece us, sp[end nothing and the money stays in the club/reduces its debts. All taht happens is that the shares go up in value since we look like such a great business, and then anyone holding shares can cash in.

This is exactly what lady nina, Dein and Fiszman's estate did. ie they got a massive backdated payday. Inf act they paid less tax this way than if they'd taken it as dividends for reasons that I cant be arsed going into right now.

The odd man out is Hill wood. He doesnt have many shares so if anyone can take the high ground and claim to be a servant of the club, its him. He did taht when he told lady nina to enjoy her payday and shut up.

Problem is Hillwood is his rudeness thats what makes him the ODD man out. He should be trying to get the fans onside not Alienate them. For someone who was bought up with manners he does not seem to have them now.

[Boss]

Absolutely insane some of the comments on this page.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Absolutely insane some of the comments on this page.

So's your face.

[GP]

So's your face.

:haha:

Charlie is awesome.

[forsberg2110]

With arsenal banning persie from talking to media he is obvious on his way out. Well at least we have podolski and if we can buy m'vila. We need to move on without van persie.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

With arsenal banning persie from talking to media he is obvious on his way out. Well at least we have podolski and if we can buy m'vila. We need to move on without van persie.

Not really its always been the way we have done business. Not saying he is not going though.

[jelgoon]

I agree. Hes an arrogant, fat, bloated Old Etonian (they all end up looking like that) who also happens to speak shit virtually every time he opens his mouth.


Problem is Hillwood is his rudeness thats what makes him the ODD man out. He should be trying to get the fans onside not Alienate them. For someone who was bought up with manners he does not seem to have them now.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I agree. Hes an arrogant, fat, bloated Old Etonian (they all end up looking like that) who also happens to speak shit virtually every time he opens his mouth.

Pretty much who said the Rich have class lol.

[PGFC]

Has he gone yet? :yawn:

[fakeyank]

Has he gone yet? :yawn:

:gp:

He can fuck off... ungrateful bastard

[Letters]

:gp:

He can fuck off... ungrateful bastardI can't tell if you're being silly or a toddler again :unsure:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:gp:

He can fuck off... ungrateful bastard

Disgusting the way Letters is treated on here. :coffee:

[fakeyank]

I can't tell if you're being silly or a toddler again :unsure:

Silly toddler

[-Xs-]

Maybe they've agreed he can go if a big club come in for him, like a Barca or a Madrd. If it's only a small team like City, he'll stay.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsenal striker Robin van Persie's excessive wage demands could prevent bids from even the mighty Real Madrid, Barcelona and Manchester City.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2146527/Robin-Van-Persie-price-Arsenal.html#ixzz1vGIMSyDH

[Marc Overmars]

I don't believe he's after a huge wage packet at all, unless he's essentially trying to say he'll only leave us if he can get a ridiculous contract elsewhere, but otherwise he's happy here.

[jelgoon]

According to the Guardian, Man City are going for RVP. Having read Vieira saying that Arsenal must hang onto him, Id be surprised if Man City were to go for him (bearing in mind that Vieira is their development manager and therefore directly involved in their buying policy). If they do go for him it would show what a complete **** Paddy has become ( essentially taunting us in the press).


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2146527/Robin-Van-Persie-price-Arsenal.html#ixzz1vGIMSyDH

[Cripps_orig]

As a great man once said

"If he goes, he goes"

Actually its dies instead of goes but i dont want RVP to die.

Still not over Sir Jacks death :(

[forsberg2110]

The cycle will always continue.. Buy no name young player, turn them into stars then sell them.. We are the fucking Ajax of England. Just a feeder club to the big clubs

[Cripps_orig]

Tbf, Ajax has actually won the CL and are successful in their country

[Olivier's xmas twist]

According to the Guardian, Man City are going for RVP. Having read Vieira saying that Arsenal must hang onto him, Id be surprised if Man City were to go for him (bearing in mind that Vieira is their development manager and therefore directly involved in their buying policy). If they do go for him it would show what a complete **** Paddy has become ( essentially taunting us in the press).

What Vieira says is spot on though and what he said was twisted by the media. He actually said we can't afford to let him go because it would be bad not what the papers said.

End of the day Wenger fucked up big here should never have let this happen and he can't be defending for this. Plain and simple its bad management to let this happen.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I disagree. Had Wenger offered a contract extension to Van Persie over a year ago, he would have been nuts. Van Persie was injury prone and it is not until the end of the season just gone that we got a full season out of him.

[Özim]

I disagree. Had Wenger offered a contract extension to Van Persie over a year ago, he would have been nuts. Van Persie was injury prone and it is not until the end of the season just gone that we got a full season out of him.
Yeah come on we've been here before, how many times have we been caught with our pants down regarding contracts. The only ones we have long contracts that never seem to running for are the players we don't want and noone will pay for.

RVP should still have been offered a new contract last season IMO, he's always been a top talent, injuries have been a problem no doubt but you can't afford to lose players like him on the cheap as replacing them would cost a fortune.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yeah come on we've been here before, how many times have we been caught with our pants down regarding contracts. The only ones we have long contracts that never seem to running for are the players we don't want and noone will pay for.

RVP should still have been offered a new contract last season IMO, he's always been a top talent, injuries have been a problem no doubt but you can't afford to lose players like him on the cheap as replacing them would cost a fortune.

A year ago - there would not have been many takers. Offering a contract extension then was not the attractive proposition for us that it appears now with hindsight.

[Özim]

A year ago - there would not have been many takers. Offering a contract extension then was not the attractive proposition for us that it appears now with hindsight.
and yet the likes of Denilson, Bendtner, Rosicky etc were?

[Xhaka Can’t]

and yet the likes of Denilson, Bendtner, Rosicky etc were?

God no.

[Marc Overmars]

A year ago - there would not have been many takers. Offering a contract extension then was not the attractive proposition for us that it appears now with hindsight.

Hmm, after the way he played from January-May 2011, it was apparent he had become our most important player. Of course the fact he is/was so injury prone should have been considered, but when you have a top scorer who only needs to play half the season to achieve the feat, that to me suggests he's integral either way and should have been offered an exenstion, particuarly when it became obvious Fabregas was leaving and the guy would also become our captain.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Hmm, after the way he played from January-May 2011, it was apparent he had become our most important player. Of course the fact he is/was so injury prone should have been considered, but when you have a top scorer who only needs to play half the season to achieve the feat, that to me suggests he's integral either way and should have been offered an exenstion, particuarly when it became obvious Fabregas was leaving and the guy would also become our captain.

I'd have offered him a contract, I'm just saying it wasn't the no brainer it appears today.

[Özim]

God no.
But we offered them long new shiny contracts, I wouldn't say there were many takers for them either. We can throw Diaby into that to be honest.

[Özim]

I'd have offered him a contract, I'm just saying it wasn't the no brainer it appears today.
Fair enough, I would too, I'm just concerned at the way we seem to let our better players run down their contracts and yet never have a problem with the lesser players, to the point that we're stuck with them for years when we don't want them and have to loan them out.

I can't believe how often this happens.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

But we offered them long new shiny contracts, I wouldn't say there were many takers for them either. We can throw Diaby into that to be honest.

yeah buts all politics with the new rules coming in the likes of Denilson/ Diaby Bendtner were all meant to be counted as HG players for when that rule came in nothing more.

[Xhaka Can’t]

But we offered them long new shiny contracts, I wouldn't say there were many takers for them either. We can throw Diaby into that to be honest.

I agree we should not have, and my reply to Mo explains my pov with regard to RvP.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fair enough, I would too, I'm just concerned at the way we seem to let our better players run down their contracts and yet never have a problem with the lesser players, to the point that we're stuck with them for years when we don't want them and have to loan them out.

I can't believe how often this happens.

Me neither.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'd have offered him a contract, I'm just saying it wasn't the no brainer it appears today.

Fair enough.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Fair enough, I would too, I'm just concerned at the way we seem to let our better players run down their contracts and yet never have a problem with the lesser players, to the point that we're stuck with them for years when we don't want them and have to loan them out.

I can't believe how often this happens.


Makes you wonder what Ivan gets paid for tbh.

[fakeyank]

Makes you wonder what Ivan gets paid for tbh.

Sucking PHW's wrinkly cock

[Ollie the Optimist]

Arsenal were here before van persie, he will be here after him. if he is fucking around with wages, sell him, just get rid. we are team not a group of indviduals. but he'll stay

[Xhaka Can’t]

word random generator?

[Injury Time]

randy worm gyration?
This.

[Letters]

word random generator?
The words in Ollie's post make perfect sense :sulk:


Not in that order, obviously, but still.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsenal were here before van persie, he will be here after him. if he is fucking around with wages, sell him, just get rid. we are team not a group of indviduals. but he'll stay

:blink:

[KSE Comedy Club]

See what I problem don't the is?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sucking PHW's wrinkly cock

Not an image we wanted to imagine thanks.

[Marc Overmars]

Not an imagine we wanted to imagine thanks.

Imagine. :bow:

[Harry]

Imagine. :bow:

I like this that you like this.

Saddam H.

Kisses.