Wenger. That is all.
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Wenger. That is all.
Shit from all concerned, especially Cech.
Thank you for making me feel like an absolute mug Arsenal.
Again.
Tears it endeth.
Horrible start to the season, horrible mistakes by Cech and the team lacked ideas energy and drive.
this is a very eazrly reminder that this team can still fuck up at any given moment and it is not ready to mount a serious challenge.
What. On. Earth.
Expect a justified backlash on arsenal fan TV, the forums, etc. Signing justone aging goalkeeper in the close season is shocking.
The one slight silver lining we might have is that this shuts up all those who have us as favourites to win the league.
We should be grateful that we've had our optimism absolutely shat on at the very start. Get rid of foolish title hope and settle down for our perineal top four scrap out.
We've got a whole season of the same old shit to come. Hopefully our scouts have a replacement lined up for Sanchez at the end of this season because he isn't hanging around for more of this.
The team bought into their own hype and took West Ham for granted, who were brilliantly drilled and fit enough to close us down every time we were on the ball. There was a reason Cech lost his place at Chelsea and we've been reminded of why very quickly.
Whatever the mistakes by Cech, this was a result of tactical deficiency.
We conceded the first goal on nine ocassions last season, only once did we come back to win against a manager less Crystal Palace.
We don't have the players or the tactical nous from the manager to play the expansive football we want, West Ham were always going to make us play in front of them and look to take any chance from set pieces or counter. They deserved to win and Slaven Bilic saw us coming a mile off, predictable.
lol...Wenger does it on purpose, just to upset GW.
All this against a team with a cb at right back & a 16 year making his debut in midfield - Wengers tactical ability is beyond a joke.
If you thought at any point this offseason that we were going to win the league, I hope you know better now.
What a shower of shite.
A 16 year old lad defeated two World cup winning midfielders and the Welsh Iniesta. Hilarious.
I fucking hate football.
On the second goal - watch Merts. If he reacts & moves closer to Kos he probably blocks it.
It really was reminiscent of the football we were playing between 2006 and 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Boring, predictable, shit.
If we don't start well and score then this is the always the risk. We're so poor at chasing, West Ham had the cigars out when defending today. Many other teams will do so as well.
Let's just stick to what we know rather than pretend we're any good. Bring on the 4th place scrap.
chelsea drop points, utd look shit and this is how we respond ....amazing
Other random observations:
Going forward Ox is a threat, but the number of times he loses the ball in dangerous areas is fucking obscene.
Debuchy offers 0 going forward.
Giroud is making it harder and harder for me to support him as the lead striker.
Walcott does fuck all, and nobody should be surprised.
Coquelin doesn't actually do that much defending work, and his passing is worse than any of yours.
Exactly and it starts at the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by adzzzbatch
Team is screaming out for a striker signing. God help us if Wenger doesn't bring in anyone else.
Dont worry guys.. we will go on a 10-12 game unbeaten run, and watch that being branded on your face like Kim K's ass as a sign of progress. :rolleyes:
Same as usual, 3rd or 4th place finish this season after dropping out of the title race by October at the very latest. By then half our team will be out injured with muscular injuries too, sound familiar? :rolleyes:
Cech cost us the game quite clearly.
But the conservatism in going with the packed midfield again shows that Wenger has not learnt anything. Only more injuries leading to him stumbling upon a working formation will change things. So there's some hope, I suppose, with all the certain upcoming injuries.
Even when we had worse personnel in defence, I always felt that the lack of organisation in midfield or stupid mistakes like the one from Oxlade (yet again) were the main reason for all the pressure. I think that showed again today and when your goalkeeper plays like a clown on his debut, you're fucked.
No Walcott or Alexis means no quick movement up front, no guile, no unpredictability and no goals. Ox is good, but he's not a forward and we need at least two of Alexis, Theo or Ox to play. You can get away with playing a lone Giroud in some games, but over the season, the lack of a direct, incisive outlet will ultimately cost you.
The difference Bellerin makes should be obvious by now too. Anyone thinking Debuchy is for some reason a better defender should remember that Bellerin had outstanding games against City, United, Liverpool and Chelsea last season. Having players like Bellerin, Coquelin, Ox, Sanchez and Theo gives the team so much more energy and a new dimension. It also dilutes the creative players' uses when they've got no players or spaces to play with and pass to.
We'll bounce back comfortably from this and comfortably finish in the top three, but unless there's some clear-cut changes in team selection, there won't be progress. A couple of signings would certainly help, but they won't help us to a title if they're handicapped too.
And bring back Szczesny. He's the most decisive keeper on set-pieces we've had. If Cech has a few more games like that, it will become a huge problem.
We're already out of the title race. There will be ups and downs over a long season and signs of hope and improvement. But today showed us that Wenger has learned nothing, I suspect because he doesn't think he needs to learn anything. He was tactically destroyed by Bilic today, but he won't seed it that way. For him it will be about fitness or sharpness or some other functional aspect that we should have sorted out by default. It's never about his inadequacies, even though they are so glaringly obvious.
We can win the title this year, but Wenger has to leave right now, today. And he just won't do that.
ROFL WHAT
Saw from the team selection we had it wrong. We learned nothing new. Well, maybe something. Cech might not be the game changer we thought he'd be. But overall, predictable. I didn't expect a loss but knew with a team full of passers we had the wrong balance. Wenger never learns.
Relax guys, its just a game..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl445c_HQGQ
As good as he can be at times, I'm not really sure how I feel about Ramsey.
Too many players had shockers today, not just Cech. Why move Cazorla out of the position where he was fundamental to our good run last season. If that means Ramsey out of position or on the bench tough shit. Absolutely toothless up front with Giroud as well. And Ozil really was dreadful today, capable of so much better.
Oh how I've missed that feeling of bitter disappointment.
Bringing Alexis on was so desperate. If you are going to rest the guy and you have so much top, top, top, top, top, top quality available keeping the likes of Vidal off the radar (even at £28mill), then why is Alexis even on the bench? Has Wenger got so little confidence that he needs to keep his favourite arse asbestos handy even when he's not 100% fit?
I find him incredibly frustrating. If the goals dry up (which they kind of have) there's not much left because he is dreadful positionally and gives the ball away cheaply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Cazorla and Ozil were effectively taken out of the game today by Wenger's absolute insistence of forcing certain players into the starting eleven. He has no notion of squad rotation or selecting a team to beat specific opposition. It sounds ludicrous for fans on a message board to be questioning a man with 20 years experience at the club. You end up assuming that experience must account for something and the fans and the media and the ex-players and the old lady from the pie shop down the road who doesn't even like football must all be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
But how many seasons have to pass before the obvious is accepted as fact?
If Ramsey left and worked under a manager that developed his game on and off the pitch, he could be one of the best in the world. He works under a manager who doesn't teach him any discipline in his role, so like everyone else out there wearing our shirt, they are left to figure it out for themselves. As long as he stays at the club under Wenger, he'll remain a frustrating player to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Exactly. That system seemed to be working. Cazorla deep, Ramsey out wide and ozil allowed room to control the centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooner23
Midfield was appauling today. They were all so square. No movement.
AOC, by far out most dangerous player kept coming inside and was then moved to RB.
Ozil had no movement in front of him
Our ball retention was terrible
We didn't work as hard as West Ham and were second to every ball.
The defence was sloppy and slow.
The keeper looked like a lumbering oaf.
All in all.
Fucking crap
Its going to take a lot more than what we have to overcome the deficit of having Wenger as manager, better players than this lot struggled to make up for it. Is this another of those car crash starts or just a hiccup. All in all that sense of optimism sure dissipated fast didn't it?
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
Sums up our problems and why you have to pay attention to the team selection. We've said it so many times in so many different ways but we keep seeing the same mistakes. Too much passers, not enough people moving. Too much ball to feet players on the pitch. Square pegs in round holes... etc. I just don't understand why Wenger hasn't sussed the pattern and how to balance a team. It takes injuries and players being unavailable for him to find the right combo.
That was inexplicable. Hammers couldn't handle him at all in the first 20 mins then we swapped it all around and out came the slippers and the drinking chocolate and their defence coasted home.Quote:
AOC, by far out most dangerous player kept coming inside and was then moved to RB.
Ugh
Same old predictable nonsense
The game is over as soon as the other team score first, because we don't have someone who can just get us a goal from route one (we've lacked that since we sold the rapist) and unsurprisingly our record of coming from behind in matches is atrocious.
Bilic is a good manager, and he won the way any good manager would win by compact defending and hassling us off the ball.
When we have time and space, we can beat anyone....when we don't....our ability is negligible.
Cech cost us a point. The game could still be ticking along and we'd in all probability be looking for an opener. Which to be fair, is kind of hard to get when your sticker is firing in a cross from the left wing with nobody in the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
It really is infuriating. Why couldn't he just stick with the team that got us on that good run. Coquelin, Cazorla and Ozil should be the main trio. Coquelin wasn't bad but he took Cazorla and Ozil out of their element for sure. Ramsey's positioning is awful and you're right to say he smothers Ozil's work by being too high up the pitch. Show some intelligence and work deeper in the field!,Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
A little worrying with Cech, but I agree with Souness alluding to the lack of communication, helping one another and simply sensing the danger. The line was too high too.
Coquelin's passing was all over the place today but he wasn't alone.
As much as I love Chamberlain he does have a horrible habit of losing the ball in situations that lead to us conceding. If he keeps it up he will completely nullify the pro's of having him there as an attacking threat.
Ramsey was incredibly frustrating and there were far too many occasions when the right hand side opened up with one of our players in space, only for us to completely ignore it.