Match Reaction v Aston Villa

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Originally Posted by notwist

Or the manager has, say, RVP, Fabregas, Nasri, Clichy and Adebayor (whatever you think of him) at his disposal. Not such a bad manager then, maybe?

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The fact they all decided to do one suggests they don't think he's all that either.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

thats bollocks.

a manager comes in and:

1. drops ramsey
2. puts players in their natural positions
3. makes sensible substitutions instead of taking off effective players
4. employs the right tactics not this tippy tappy slow tempo shit
5. employs tactics against each opposition instead of playing the same formation every game
6. is able to motivate the players

and you're gonna tell me we wont perform better? he is a manager, not a CEO.

he does not justify his pay packet. he does not justify his untouchable position. he does not justify being given another chance to try and build another team at this club.

you know, i know, everyone knows we will win nothing with wenger in charge. its a ticking timebomb and we're just wasting years until he goes. he does not have it in him to build another title winning team, he couldnt do it with the 07/08 team which was far superior than our current team in every aspect, so he wont be able to do it now.

supporting this club whilst wenger is in charge is pointless because we're just passing time until the day comes when he finally fucks off. it wouldnt be a problem if we weren't charged the highest ticket prices in the country and milked at every opportunity. but they're taking the piss.

deep down we all know it's over. in your heart of hearts you know wenger will not win another trophy here. it went downhill since that carling cup defeat and the players all gave up on him, one by one, and fucked off. unfortunately we're stuck with him until he goes. which hopefully is sooner rather than later.

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Also, on a net budget of precisely fuck all, who do you suppose would be a better manager?

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

The fact they all decided to do one suggests they don't think he's all that either.

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Well I think they've gone because they followed the money, which is not Wenger's fault. That's down to the Board.

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Originally Posted by notwist

Well I think they've gone because they followed the money, which is not Wenger's fault. That's down to the Board.

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Some did, some didn't. To me it says a lot that he struggles to keep hold of his best players, I can't think of another top manager who is frequently stabbed in the back as much as he is.

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Originally Posted by notwist

Also, on a net budget of precisely fuck all, who do you suppose would be a better manager?

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net budget of precisely fuck all? that's bollocks too. we have money, it says so on the accounts. we had to tighten our belts for the stadium move but this is taking the piss now. for example, you do realise our stadium debt is at such a low level that paying back early has a higher premium? we've put ourselves on a great financial footing but we have a manager warped to spending. whats the fucking point? wasnt the stadium move supposed to aid us in challenging against the elite european clubs? instead we've become their bitch.

klopp hasn't done a bad job on a budget. has the same philosophy as wenger but he has a brain cell instead of being completely deluded.

wenger is our most successful manager but since 6 months ago statistically also became our worst. time to thank him and move on.

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Originally Posted by notwist

Well I think they've gone because they followed the money, which is not Wenger's fault. That's down to the Board.

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nope. if you win trophies it keeps players interested. it bides you time in the project and makes players believe in you because players are kept somewhat happy. suarez stays at liverpool because they win tin pot trophies here and there. if he was here, he would have left over the summer. trophies bide you time. we havent had any. it works both ways.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

net budget of precisely fuck all? that's bollocks too. we have money, it says so on the accounts. we had to tighten our belts for the stadium move but this is taking the piss now. for example, you do realise our stadium debt is at such a low level that paying back early has a higher premium? we've put ourselves on a great financial footing but we have a manager warped to spending. whats the fucking point? wasnt the stadium move supposed to aid us in challenging against the elite european clubs? instead we've become their bitch.

klopp hasn't done a bad job on a budget. has the same philosophy as wenger but he has a brain cell instead of being completely deluded.

wenger is our most successful manager but since 6 months ago statistically also became our worst. time to thank him and move on.

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That's the really frustrating part. The club does have the money, but it won't spend it - either to keep players or bring them in. So Wenger finds young players, bargains, and occasionally he pulls off a coup (Cazorla). You still haven't answered who there is in the business better at doing that.

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Originally Posted by notwist

That's the really frustrating part. The club does have the money, but it won't spend it - either to keep players or bring them in. So Wenger finds young players, bargains, and occasionally he pulls off a coup (Cazorla). You still haven't answered who there is in the business better at doing that.

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i did. i said klopp.

you still haven't answered my question.

a manager comes in and:

1. drops ramsey
2. puts players in their natural positions
3. makes sensible substitutions instead of taking off effective players
4. employs the right tactics not this tippy tappy slow tempo shit
5. employs tactics against each opposition instead of playing the same formation every game
6. is able to motivate the players

and you're gonna tell me we wont perform better?

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

nope. if you win trophies it keeps players interested. it bides you time in the project and makes players believe in you because players are kept somewhat happy. suarez stays at liverpool because they win tin pot trophies here and there. if he was here, he would have left over the summer. trophies bide you time. we havent had any. it works both ways.

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It's ALWAYS an excuse when players say that. Like saying they want to play in a different position. It's all code for.....where can I get more money? (and not upset the fans).

None of those players would have left if not given the ok by Wenger. He has a lot of influence over the boarf for whatever reason. Cesc himself has said it was Wenger who went to the board to get them to drop the asking price to what Barca wanted so Cesc could fuck off there. RVC if reports are to be believed was having 2nd thoughts about leaving after seeing the signings of Podolski and Cazorla. It was Wenger who decided to sell him. Ferguson called Wenger not a board member to thrash out a deal and now we are lumped with some french nobody upfront who has been avearage his whole career and lo and behold has been average for us. What a shock. As a great man once said "if you keep buying average players, you become an average team" Last few years we had that one special player who could creep us in to the top 4 on the back of some awesome displays. Now we don't have anyone. Top 4 is gone. We are facing mid table mediocrity