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to be honest i'm not sure there has been an efficient winner of the league since we did many moons ago. so what liverpool have spent may not be a million miles away from what we've wasted over the years on useless squad players and their wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
We were crap in all 3 matches, no argument, but two of the scorelines were inflated by at least partially artificial circumstances. LOL - the ref was corrupt as hell in the gypo match. Come on. My point some dwell exclusively on that and then concoct huge plot lines that don't tie up with the corresponding evidence from the reverse fixtures. If we are going to say Wenger is entirely incompetent then how are we 4th at all? Shouldn't we be bottom and on our way out? Many of the arguments against him are extreme and not supported by the evidence. The arguments expressed by rational posters I have no problem with at all. No escaping that Liverpool hammering. Wenger has to be criticised for that, of course. As do the players. I'd like to see a strong tactician come in to assist (actually take over) from Wenger in that role. Wenger doing less is not something I don't have any problems with. But the delight I think some would have if he was kicked out the door, that irks me. Not that it will happen, so I don't know why they keep doing everything in their power to belittle the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Actually that's just about as wrong as it's possible to be about the role of a forum admin. Most forums are set up by people who have a particular passion. They open the doors to the opinions of others. Provided they don't shut people up for expressing an opposite opinion then they are at liberty and likely to express their passion. If they are good administrators they can have a right old argument where both sides are heard. Now I don't think anyone can say the two sides of the argument aren't presented on this forum. If anything, one side of the argument drenched the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
What irked you in this thread? You just jumped in with a chip on your shoulder after a page and a half in. There were no insults thrown Wenger’s way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'm supporting a view expressed by another poster that I agree with. Internet forum. Discussion. Etc. The bleeding thread is titled "Are the Doubters Wrong about Wenger"
You didn't read it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This is what IBK said in regard to the stats.
Your post here is well off the mark. Your not in agreement. You just read the headline.Quote:
But I freely admit that the above stats make me question whether my points of criticism of Wenger are accurate, and whether the question marks over him should be in relation to his fitness regime and his failure to back his first team up properly rather than his ability to read and understand the game.
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Absolutely. I don't think anyone has a problem listening to a reasoned argument, such as the type posed by the OP. But then it gets ridiculous, you hear the old shit about Wenger being tactically incompetent because he lost three away matches big - including one with corrupt officials, one where we were down to 10 and the other where admittedly we were smashed but beat the very same team in the home fixture (which is odd if the manager is so clueless). It's the frustration of listening to arguments that have no logic trotted out as if they are reasonable. Same with the fitness thing. We kill our players apparently - and yet Giroud plays all season, the one player we said we couldn't afford to lose, does he not train with the first team too? Or the pick a world class striker in Tesco, transfer debate. Or the Wilshere is a cunt get him out campaign. They gave up calling him foul names when they were picked up on it. So that was a result I suppose, not that you should have to tell your own fans not to call their manager what a spuds would happily call him.
But yes, in the world of reason there are issues with the tactics, issues with the injuries, , issues with the transfers, other issues in a subtle and complex environment that can't all be reduced to Wenger is shit. I'm still of the opinion there's no other manager who could have done what he's done over the last 8 years. Some will immediately say, true, he's a shit loser. They instantly ignore the huge potential that is bubbling under the surface at this club now. And even if another manager comes in and is a raving success, he'd better be gracious enough to kiss Wenger's feet for laying it on such a finely decorated and plentiful plate.
I wasn't responding to IBK - but otherwise a sturdy straw man you have there.
Have a word pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Where have I slagged off any poster? Where in my post did I do that?
You're the one pointing fingers, so perhaps you need to have a look at yourself.
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Originally Posted by LDG
Sorry, bud! But why did the conversation have to go down that route for this thread?Quote:
Well said.
Whilst most of us agree that his time is at an end, it still disgusts me the vitriol, shit and internet spew being showered on him.
How can you call yourself a fan of a club, when your first priority is to slag off anything and everything about us?
Yes Wenger needs to go. Yes, he is guilty of stagnating. But he has also, lets not forget, kept us from slipping into a different part of the table, using the very strengths we praised him for in his early tenure.
Time for a fresh face to build on the solid foundations. But I can't tell you how nausiating it is to be associated with the filth who sit behind their keyboards throwing turds, with such little knowledge of football to back it up. Opinion is one thing. Being able to articulate it is another. And if you have nothing positive to say, just fuck off will ya.
Where are the unreasonable posts in this thread? You’ve missed the point of the thread. IBK is shifting the focus and asking whether it’s the training and lack of first team back up that’s the problem and maybe some of us misjudging his tactical failings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This post shows how off the mark you are, especially that last part about the training and fitness because that’s what the thread is about. :doh:Quote:
Absolutely. I don't think anyone has a problem listening to a reasoned argument, such as the type posed by the OP. But then it gets ridiculous, you hear the old shit about Wenger being tactically incompetent because he lost three away matches big - including one with corrupt officials, one where we were down to 10 and the other where admittedly we were smashed but beat the very same team in the home fixture (which is odd if the manager is so clueless). It's the frustration of listening to arguments that have no logic trotted out as if they are reasonable. Same with the fitness thing. We kill our players apparently - and yet Giroud plays all season, the one player we said we couldn't afford to lose, does he not train with the first team too? Or the pick a world class striker in Tesco, transfer debate. Or the Wilshere is a cunt get him out campaign. They gave up calling him foul names when they were picked up on it. So that was a result I suppose, not that you should have to tell your own fans not to call their manager what a spuds would happily call him.