Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Niall_Quinn]

If we lost those matches 1-0 or 2-1 than i'd find the criticisms overwrought, but 6-3, 5-1, 6-0 and 3-0....to blame the officials of being corrupt without any evidence seems totally pointless as well. We lost those matches because we looked totally unprepared, totally lacking in discipline and game plan. When you have spaces between these fixtures and you have demonstrated that you have learnt nothing from any of these defeats it's rather troubling.....and whilst senseless abuse is unwarranted...i think the fans have the right to take the manager to task over it...because it appears no-one at the club save Steve Bould is.
And i think the reason Giroud hasn't broken down from an injury is more due to luck rather than judgement (although whether that's good or bad luck depends on how you view him).

We were crap in all 3 matches, no argument, but two of the scorelines were inflated by at least partially artificial circumstances. LOL - the ref was corrupt as hell in the gypo match. Come on. My point some dwell exclusively on that and then concoct huge plot lines that don't tie up with the corresponding evidence from the reverse fixtures. If we are going to say Wenger is entirely incompetent then how are we 4th at all? Shouldn't we be bottom and on our way out? Many of the arguments against him are extreme and not supported by the evidence. The arguments expressed by rational posters I have no problem with at all. No escaping that Liverpool hammering. Wenger has to be criticised for that, of course. As do the players. I'd like to see a strong tactician come in to assist (actually take over) from Wenger in that role. Wenger doing less is not something I don't have any problems with. But the delight I think some would have if he was kicked out the door, that irks me. Not that it will happen, so I don't know why they keep doing everything in their power to belittle the man.

[Power n Glory]

We were crap in all 3 matches, no argument, but two of the scorelines were inflated by at least partially artificial circumstances. LOL - the ref was corrupt as hell in the gypo match. Come on. My point some dwell exclusively on that and then concoct huge plot lines that don't tie up with the corresponding evidence from the reverse fixtures. If we are going to say Wenger is entirely incompetent then how are we 4th at all? Shouldn't we be bottom and on our way out? Many of the arguments against him are extreme and not supported by the evidence. The arguments expressed by rational posters I have no problem with at all. No escaping that Liverpool hammering. Wenger has to be criticised for that, of course. As do the players. I'd like to see a strong tactician come in to assist (actually take over) from Wenger in that role. Wenger doing less is not something I don't have any problems with. But the delight I think some would have if he was kicked out the door, that irks me. Not that it will happen, so I don't know why they keep doing everything in their power to belittle the man.

What irked you in this thread? You just jumped in with a chip on your shoulder after a page and a half in. There were no insults thrown Wenger’s way.

[Niall_Quinn]

What irked you in this thread? You just jumped in with a chip on your shoulder after a page and a half in. There were no insults thrown Wenger’s way.

I'm supporting a view expressed by another poster that I agree with. Internet forum. Discussion. Etc. The bleeding thread is titled "Are the Doubters Wrong about Wenger"

[Power n Glory]

I'm supporting a view expressed by another poster that I agree with. Internet forum. Discussion. Etc. The bleeding thread is titled "Are the Doubters Wrong about Wenger"

You didn't read it properly.

This is what IBK said in regard to the stats.

But I freely admit that the above stats make me question whether my points of criticism of Wenger are accurate, and whether the question marks over him should be in relation to his fitness regime and his failure to back his first team up properly rather than his ability to read and understand the game.

Your post here is well off the mark. Your not in agreement. You just read the headline.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone has a problem listening to a reasoned argument, such as the type posed by the OP. But then it gets ridiculous, you hear the old shit about Wenger being tactically incompetent because he lost three away matches big - including one with corrupt officials, one where we were down to 10 and the other where admittedly we were smashed but beat the very same team in the home fixture (which is odd if the manager is so clueless). It's the frustration of listening to arguments that have no logic trotted out as if they are reasonable. Same with the fitness thing. We kill our players apparently - and yet Giroud plays all season, the one player we said we couldn't afford to lose, does he not train with the first team too? Or the pick a world class striker in Tesco, transfer debate. Or the Wilshere is a cunt get him out campaign. They gave up calling him foul names when they were picked up on it. So that was a result I suppose, not that you should have to tell your own fans not to call their manager what a spuds would happily call him.

But yes, in the world of reason there are issues with the tactics, issues with the injuries, , issues with the transfers, other issues in a subtle and complex environment that can't all be reduced to Wenger is shit. I'm still of the opinion there's no other manager who could have done what he's done over the last 8 years. Some will immediately say, true, he's a shit loser. They instantly ignore the huge potential that is bubbling under the surface at this club now. And even if another manager comes in and is a raving success, he'd better be gracious enough to kiss Wenger's feet for laying it on such a finely decorated and plentiful plate.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wasn't responding to IBK - but otherwise a sturdy straw man you have there.

[Power n Glory]

I wasn't responding to IBK - but otherwise a sturdy straw man you have there.

Where are the unreasonable posts in this thread? You’ve missed the point of the thread. IBK is shifting the focus and asking whether it’s the training and lack of first team back up that’s the problem and maybe some of us misjudging his tactical failings.

Absolutely. I don't think anyone has a problem listening to a reasoned argument, such as the type posed by the OP. But then it gets ridiculous, you hear the old shit about Wenger being tactically incompetent because he lost three away matches big - including one with corrupt officials, one where we were down to 10 and the other where admittedly we were smashed but beat the very same team in the home fixture (which is odd if the manager is so clueless). It's the frustration of listening to arguments that have no logic trotted out as if they are reasonable. Same with the fitness thing. We kill our players apparently - and yet Giroud plays all season, the one player we said we couldn't afford to lose, does he not train with the first team too? Or the pick a world class striker in Tesco, transfer debate. Or the Wilshere is a cunt get him out campaign. They gave up calling him foul names when they were picked up on it. So that was a result I suppose, not that you should have to tell your own fans not to call their manager what a spuds would happily call him.

This post shows how off the mark you are, especially that last part about the training and fitness because that’s what the thread is about.

[Niall_Quinn]

Where are the unreasonable posts in this thread? You’ve missed the point of the thread. IBK is shifting the focus and asking whether it’s the training and lack of first team back up that’s the problem and maybe some of us misjudging his tactical failings.



This post shows how off the mark you are, especially that last part about the training and fitness because that’s what the thread is about.

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I mentioned him as a reasonable poster in comparison to assholes that spend their whole time moaning about Wenger. I then gave examples of what these assholes tend to post. That qualifies the thread title - I'm saying some of the doubters are wrong beyond question because they haven't even managed to frame a rational argument.

I think you caught a reflection. Haven't a clue what you mean by "mark" - go on then, what's the correct opinion I should have?