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It's looks really shitty. But as said to Sel, it looks like last season was his first year as striker and he scored 19. That's not that bad for his first season but it's pretty much the same thing he's been trying to do with Walcott and Sanchez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
still distinctly average for an attacking player to have only scored 50 senior goals at his age, even Walcott has 80 odd at 27
Moanio Ergo SumQuote:
Originally Posted by Kano
He's also 28 next month, so not like he has a lot of years ahead of him to improve.
Supporting the team doesn't mean I have to agree with our signings or targets, we've had all summer, no we've had 4-5 summers to find a striker and is this the best we can come up with Giroud, Wellbeck and Perez, it's no wonder we've become a 2nd rate club, whilst other top clubs chase quality players, we settle for journeyman and players who basically come cheap, that seems to be the main criteria, they have to be cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
I agree that's what we are getting, but that doesn't make it right and emphasises further the problems with this club, Everton were linked with this guy and he was going to be a backup for them, I just find this club really really odd, we're well and truly in the 2nd tier of clubs now and you can't help but be disappointed, the stadium for us fans was in reality a waste of time.
This looks like a signing to help our fight for 4th place to me, not to win anything. If he was a replacement for Giroud, or Walcott or Wellbeck fine, but as our main striker signing just not good enough really. Frankly I hope Everton get him, he's not going to make that much of a difference so we may as well not bother.
Oh and with regards you tube videos, they can make Giroud look good, so they're pretty meaningless:
https://youtu.be/Ndmi9IbWQbI
Assuming we do sign him, he's just another squad type level signing IMO. I don't think he will be a bonafide starter, I think he just gives us further options which in itself is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I'm not totally against this signing because we do need someone but I would have preferred us to rectify this long-standing issue with a grade a type signing, we have the money...just not the will or desire.
He's almost 28 now though, just find this signing uninspiring to be honest, we claim we only look for quality and then are interested in a guy again noone have ever heard of, who is getting on, has a poor career goal record and most importantly who is cheap (that's our only criteria let's be honest here). Again as you say 1 season up front by the age of 28, could have just been a one off, he has no kind of goal record before that, whether he's on the wing or not, his record should still be somehwat better if he can shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I can't get excited about this, we've done this repeatedly since RVP left, never signing quality and settling for 2nd tier players and that's why we are where we are now, this signing isn't going to win us anything, 4th place is about our limit.
I'm kinda with you, I woudn't be against this signing, if it still meant we would go out and find a top class forward a little later down the line, but problem is we know all too well we won't, Wenger will just say we have Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck, Perez, Sanchez, Sanogo and Akpom which is plenty of options up front, that will be the end of our hope to sign someone decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Quite frankly I'd rather we had paid the money for Lacazette who at least have a proven goal record.
No one is asking you to agree. A summary of my post is that most of us aren't happy with the selection we have left but our options are limited. The other option is to keep reverting back to templated posts, saying the same thing again and again and being as Groundhog as Wenger is. That's the reality. Wishing for other things is fantasy. We all know that now. So it comes down to which world you want to live in. Most of us know and agree on many of the problems in the club, but this isn't about that now. This is about can we find a way to improve the team at all, after another transfer window fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
So your bottom line is, given the reality of the situation - not what we want to happen or should happen remember - you would prefer that in this current predicament, we rely on one striker, rather than getting in someone else who might improve us slightly? That makes even less sense.
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Originally Posted by Özim
I think our top four trophy is in jeopardy this season.
That's about the millionth season in a row I've people say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
I think we'll finish top 4 but we won't win the league and that's the issue for me. With our resources we should be challenging.
I think it will be a mighty fight for us to finish top 4. I think Utd, City and Chelsea will all finish above us, out of us, Spuds, Leicester and Liverpool for 4th IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
Last season, Chelsea, United and City didn't perform well, they have now strengthened in the management position and on the field. Liverpool could be a force to be reckoned with, but who knows after they lost at the weekend. Tottenham could remain at the level they were at last year, so it could be a fight with us and them for 4th. Add into that the unknown quantities of other clubs, such as Everton and who knows what could happen. I don't disagree that we should be challenging for the title though. Winning it would be tough, but it would be good to be there or there abouts in April.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
There are more teams in the mix this year but every year, especially when we've had a rocky start, people have said we won't finish top 4. Always have. I think we will again.
We'll see!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
We will :lol:
I think we'll finish 3rd behind City and Utd. Liverpool, Chelsea and Spurs for 4th. Leicester won't finish top 4 IMO.
Why have you knocked Chelsea out of the equation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Just don't think they'll be as strong as the Manchester sides or us. May be wrong. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goonermarvee
It's never about the quality. It's always about the price tag. It's a gamble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Satisfied with this (potential) signing. Not a mega star by any means but it's clear that Wenger doesn't feel that there are any gettable ones out there and that he doesn't rate the likes of Icardi or Lacazette.
Also quite reassuring that we managed to pip Everton to him as Koeman is certainly a good judge at evaluating players.
:d We will!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
To be honest if we were going to go the cheap route (predictable) would have preferred that Ben Yedder guy, at least he had a good goal record.
Perez looks better than what we have to be fair (but that's on a youtube video so), which is something, age is an issue though and he's not really likely to be the answer
That's what I thought about Janssen tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
And 24 goals is good. Just not great.
This is the first time in Prem history we've got 4 managers in the league that have experienced winning the title in top leagues as well as successfully defending their titles and they're all coaching the top English clubs in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
That's leaving out Koeman at Everton who has an impressive CV with league titles and cups in Holland and Spain, Pochettino at Spurs and Bilic at West Ham. These 3 clubs will be pushing for 4th and they have managers that have that potential. 2 of them have/will have new stadiums.
This is unlike any other season and these coaches manage to keep their jobs for a few seasons at least, we're going to drop out of the top 4 at some point. We have to change managers at some point but I think we've stagnated for so long we're going to be in trouble when Wenger finally steps aside because the competition will be fierce.
You could be right but Janssen was very young, scoring goals at a young age is more unusual. As for the 24 goals, it's not the amount just when he scores them, he goes on long barren spells which stats just don't illustrate, it's better to have a player who scores more consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Don't know anything about this Perez bloke but I've said in the past I'm not as caught up as others on a new striker being a super duper amazing worldie. As long as he gets a fair chance to prove himself and we look open to trying new things then good luck.
Tight when it comes to transfers and paying what the market says. Im sure you know what i mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What this Perez thing also shows is we have absolutely no transfer strategy, we're just nicking other clubs scouting because ours is so inadequate, Everton were well on their way to signing him, we probably had never even heard of him.
Spuds bid £15m for Zaha. :unsure:
Yep, the last couple of seasons have definitely shown us that we don't have a proper strategy per se. I think a lot of that has to do with Wenger and his reluctance to pay the market rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I think he did have an idea of what he wanted but as usual has prioritised getting what he perceives as market value over the quality of what we actually need.
That's one of the reasons Wenger is a laughing stock. He's all qualiteeee this and qualitieeee that, oh we can't sign that expensive player unless he brings more qualiteeee. Shove a pile of barrel scrapings at him though and fuck quality, he's in there in a flash with his penny purse at the ready. I think we're supposed to be fooled by it all. When you start bringing together all the aspects of this summer, the statements from the club and the manager, the laughable financial claims being made, the dithering and fucking around, the negligent and probably already terminal start to the season, the continuing two fingered salute to the fans and anyone else who dares ask question - you can really start to see that this club is run by scum and managed by a deeply dishonest, deceitful and devious individual. I don't know what's happened to the bloke. Filth like Kronke, you expect it. Wenger used to be a totally different guy though. Now look at him. Up to his neck in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The German bloke was a done deal too. Don't believe a word of this until he steps onto the pitch in our kit. Even if we do sign him he could still have a broken back, an arrest warrant from Interpol. Any way we can find to fuck it up, we'll do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
But say he eventually steps out on the pitch.
What will your response be when he runs over and takes up position on the right wing?
I agree, it's not an inspiring signing, but my previous point was that stats can't necessarily tell you everything, so maybe there is hope, and not write him off just on the numbers. Stats can tell lots of stories, for example, up until the age of 27, RVP had 63 goals in 192 league games, and Lucas Perez has 48 goals in 148 league games - almost identical ratios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Not saying he will be as good, but we know there were reasons behind the relatively poor early career stats for RVP compared with what he became, and I don't think any of us know enough about this guy to say there isn't scope for him to be better than he first appears.
We do have a transfer strategy. Dither, obfuscate, avoid, evade, hide, wait, delay, haggle, insult - anything to avoid getting the deal done. I'm surprised you haven't noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Wow......Wenger going for a player who can play on the wing, who would have guessedQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Because it's such a struggle to get anything done in the transfer window the next major problem is being overlooked. RvC benefitted from playing with the likes of Henry, Vieira, Pires. The qualiteeee of the team has dropped sharply since those days. But even if Ozil manages to do it all on his own, we still have the system this poor sod will be dumped into if he joins. Tip, tap, again the opposite of what we used to enjoy. That's supposedly one of the reasons Vardy wouldn't come, he thought our much vaunted beautiful game would leave him isolated and redundant. No striker can score when he's just standing there watching the team endlessly tap it across the edge of the box. This guy will have to learn that system and like so many others that have "benefitted" from the tuition, his game will decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketsi
Also he can play CB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
I always join this camp and let us see what he is like first........I cannot see Wenger every going out and getting that franchise player who would cost us 50mil easy, the one that everything is going to go through, the one that will nab us 30 goals a season. He much prefers to have the goals spread over the place, he wants teams to believe that the threat could come from anywhere......Sanchez, Giroud, Walcott, Cazola, Ramsey......I don't think he saw what TH14 turned into coming! He wants to spread the money, I can see Musatfi and Perez coming in and that will be it............I resign myself to the way he does things, it is just frustrating that it takes too long to get the deals done........there is a call to have business done before the fist ball is kicked (which I believe Wenger lends his voice to) maybe that will get him to move his arse but I very much doubt it.........bottom line I welcome this guy as we are now running out of time and options and pray he works out.......would have liked us to be a bit more serious about Nolito though (maybe it's because he is playing for Citeh but he looks decent)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano