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Thread: Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Here's his career record:

    2009-2010 - 2 games 0 goals
    2010-2011 - 13 games 1 goal
    2011-2012 -34 games 7 goals
    2012-2013 - 18 games 8 goals
    2013-2014 - 50 games 10 goals
    2014-2015 - 23 games 8 goals
    2015-2016 - 37 game 17 goals

    Not great.
    It's looks really shitty. But as said to Sel, it looks like last season was his first year as striker and he scored 19. That's not that bad for his first season but it's pretty much the same thing he's been trying to do with Walcott and Sanchez.

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    still distinctly average for an attacking player to have only scored 50 senior goals at his age, even Walcott has 80 odd at 27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    It bothers nearly all of us but what other option is there right now if you want to actively support the team? We can complain forever and drive ourselves mad on a message board or give the guy a go and hope.
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    He's also 28 next month, so not like he has a lot of years ahead of him to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    It bothers nearly all of us but what other option is there right now if you want to actively support the team? We can complain forever and drive ourselves mad on a message board or give the guy a go and hope. That's all there is. We all know what we would've preferred but this is it for the short term, if Wenger was to leave at the end of the season. You have your thoughts about that, I have mine, neither of us know definitively if he will stay or go. All we can do is deal with the now. When something in life fucks up that is out of our control, you can either knuckle down and swallow it for the time being or make life ten times harder when there is nothing you can do to change it in the meantime. The only other option is to walk away but that is even more difficult to do more often than not.
    Supporting the team doesn't mean I have to agree with our signings or targets, we've had all summer, no we've had 4-5 summers to find a striker and is this the best we can come up with Giroud, Wellbeck and Perez, it's no wonder we've become a 2nd rate club, whilst other top clubs chase quality players, we settle for journeyman and players who basically come cheap, that seems to be the main criteria, they have to be cheap.

    I agree that's what we are getting, but that doesn't make it right and emphasises further the problems with this club, Everton were linked with this guy and he was going to be a backup for them, I just find this club really really odd, we're well and truly in the 2nd tier of clubs now and you can't help but be disappointed, the stadium for us fans was in reality a waste of time.

    This looks like a signing to help our fight for 4th place to me, not to win anything. If he was a replacement for Giroud, or Walcott or Wellbeck fine, but as our main striker signing just not good enough really. Frankly I hope Everton get him, he's not going to make that much of a difference so we may as well not bother.
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    Oh and with regards you tube videos, they can make Giroud look good, so they're pretty meaningless:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    If he was a replacement for Giroud, or Walcott or Wellbeck fine, but as our main striker signing just not good enough really. Frankly I hope Everton get him, he's not going to make that much of a difference so we may as well not bother.
    Assuming we do sign him, he's just another squad type level signing IMO. I don't think he will be a bonafide starter, I think he just gives us further options which in itself is a problem.

    I'm not totally against this signing because we do need someone but I would have preferred us to rectify this long-standing issue with a grade a type signing, we have the money...just not the will or desire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It's looks really shitty. But as said to Sel, it looks like last season was his first year as striker and he scored 19. That's not that bad for his first season but it's pretty much the same thing he's been trying to do with Walcott and Sanchez.
    He's almost 28 now though, just find this signing uninspiring to be honest, we claim we only look for quality and then are interested in a guy again noone have ever heard of, who is getting on, has a poor career goal record and most importantly who is cheap (that's our only criteria let's be honest here). Again as you say 1 season up front by the age of 28, could have just been a one off, he has no kind of goal record before that, whether he's on the wing or not, his record should still be somehwat better if he can shoot.

    I can't get excited about this, we've done this repeatedly since RVP left, never signing quality and settling for 2nd tier players and that's why we are where we are now, this signing isn't going to win us anything, 4th place is about our limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    Assuming we do sign him, he's just another squad type level signing IMO. I don't think he will be a bonafide starter, I think he just gives us further options which in itself is a problem.

    I'm not totally against this signing because we do need someone but I would have preferred us to rectify this long-standing issue with a grade a type signing, we have the money...just not the will or desire.
    I'm kinda with you, I woudn't be against this signing, if it still meant we would go out and find a top class forward a little later down the line, but problem is we know all too well we won't, Wenger will just say we have Walcott, Giroud, Wellbeck, Perez, Sanchez, Sanogo and Akpom which is plenty of options up front, that will be the end of our hope to sign someone decent.

    Quite frankly I'd rather we had paid the money for Lacazette who at least have a proven goal record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Supporting the team doesn't mean I have to agree with our signings or targets, we've had all summer, no we've had 4-5 summers to find a striker and is this the best we can come up with Giroud, Wellbeck and Perez, it's no wonder we've become a 2nd rate club, whilst other top clubs chase quality players, we settle for journeyman and players who basically come cheap, that seems to be the main criteria, they have to be cheap.

    I agree that's what we are getting, but that doesn't make it right and emphasises further the problems with this club, Everton were linked with this guy and he was going to be a backup for them, I just find this club really really odd, we're well and truly in the 2nd tier of clubs now and you can't help but be disappointed, the stadium for us fans was in reality a waste of time.

    This looks like a signing to help our fight for 4th place to me, not to win anything. If he was a replacement for Giroud, or Walcott or Wellbeck fine, but as our main striker signing just not good enough really. Frankly I hope Everton get him, he's not going to make that much of a difference so we may as well not bother.
    No one is asking you to agree. A summary of my post is that most of us aren't happy with the selection we have left but our options are limited. The other option is to keep reverting back to templated posts, saying the same thing again and again and being as Groundhog as Wenger is. That's the reality. Wishing for other things is fantasy. We all know that now. So it comes down to which world you want to live in. Most of us know and agree on many of the problems in the club, but this isn't about that now. This is about can we find a way to improve the team at all, after another transfer window fuck up.

    So your bottom line is, given the reality of the situation - not what we want to happen or should happen remember - you would prefer that in this current predicament, we rely on one striker, rather than getting in someone else who might improve us slightly? That makes even less sense.

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