Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner

I have not read your earlier comments regarding the difference in the performances of Ozil and Payet. However, I am going to go out on a limb and speculate that you prefer Payet and would sooner have him at Arsenal rather than Ozil. If so, perhaps you can provide the rationale(s) why Payet has only played 21 games for France since his debut in 2010, and how so many top clubs (including Real Madrid) did not sign him sooner?

Personally, I would sooner have the understated excellence of a World Cup winner, who has been German Player of the Year 4 times, over a player who has made an impression (possibly one season only) with a 2nd/3rd tier EPL team. If we can get a striker who can take advantage of the service from Ozil, perhaps things will be much better.

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Take your stats and shove them up your ass! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I think you're just reaching for strands of half arguments from any quarter in an attempt to give legitimacy to what is nothing more than the rejection of a player from a 'little' club. The kick and rush Leicester and over the top Vardy stories are manufactured by bitter pundits and hold no truth at all. The video showed Vardy scoring a broad mix of goals, certainly some in tight situations, others at pace, some from the spot. A good mix.

But okay. Let's move out of reality and say Vardy can only score, or mainly score, when it's hoofed over the top so he can chase it. Typical Leicester, small time, backwater club and champions of England.

Fortunately for us we have a player who lays on the record amount of on-a-plate chances. He's called Ozil. Another player you don't like because his on-a-plate chance are not on-a-plate enough. I mean come on. Snap out of this. If you don't want Vardy here then that's cool. But don't be making shit up when it's easy to determine the exact opposite just by watching a video. If you want a player who takes responsibility then you won't do much batter than Vardy, will you?

We really are a bunch of fucking snobs at this club :haha:

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I agree that Vardy has proven, IMO, that he is a little more than a one-dimensional striker. If he is available for £20 million and willing to move, then he is worth a punt. However, my concern is that he might be a one-season wonder.

With regard to his 1-metre goal yesterday, I think that we can all agree that if that had been for Arsenal, the referee's decision would have been offside. :)

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Originally Posted by Kano

One thing I read recently that has helped me come round to the idea of Vardy, is regarding is counter attacking goals. He actually scores a good variance of goals last season, with some very clever finishes in some, not all of them have just been lashed in. I'd say he's probably actually scored more in the six yard box than on the break. I think some fans, myself included, have fallen into the trap thinking nearly every Leicester goal scored was on the counter because that was he narrative developed last season but the reality is, he is more than that type of finisher.

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This?

http://news.arseblog.com/2016/06/jam...y-the-numbers/

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

A player who can work with limited space and take advantage of dangerous situations quickly and cleverly.

And as a bonus, a player who gets in the box, actually knows which direction the goal is in and doesn't spend his whole time missing sitters and pulling faces.

Who is seriously saying this guy couldn't help us fix the immense flaws we have in the striker department right now? You can't be serious. A lot of speciality Arsenal snobbery going on here. The glory days are getting further in the past, time we snapped out of it and started looking to make some new glory days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGzExJOrhfQ

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I think most on here acknowledge that he will be a pretty good signing for 20 million quid. What I disagree with is the fact that he will suit our style of play. I just do not see him being effective playing our system. Most of his goals from open play came due to the attack moving very fast from back to front or when the other team doesnt have 10 players behind the ball, compared to the shit we play. It's not as much a criticism of Vardy as much as it is a criticism of the manager.

What we know for sure is that Wenger is staying for this season (and most likely the next 10), so do we look at a player who will suit our shit style of play, or do we look for someone who more than likely will not suit our style at all?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

As for Ozil....check the difference between Payet's performance when France were struggling to break down Romania and Albania to Germany's games where Ozil was a complete passenger. If you can't spot the difference I can't discuss this with you. It's that simple.

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The reason why commented about the number of times Payet has played for France (in my other post) is that that while no one has doubted his ability, he has been too inconsistent for the national team and the big European clubs. With regard to Germany, most of their players have been "passengers" so far. Having said that, if you can't spot the difference (and the quality of Ozil) I can't discuss this with you. :)

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

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http://news.arseblog.com/2016/06/jam...y-the-numbers/

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That's the one. That lead me to a YT that shows all his goals from last season, internationals included and it is a good reminder of how varied his goals were.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I think most on here acknowledge that he will be a pretty good signing for 20 million quid. What I disagree with is the fact that he will suit our style of play. I just do not see him being effective playing our system. Most of his goals from open play came due to the attack moving very fast from back to front or when the other team doesnt have 10 players behind the ball, compared to the shit we play. It's not as much a criticism of Vardy as much as it is a criticism of the manager.

What we know for sure is that Wenger is staying for this season (and most likely the next 10), so do we look at a player who will suit our shit style of play, or do we look for someone who more than likely will not suit our style at all?

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Most of our goals do not come with ten men behind the ball. That's as much as a misconception as it is that Vardy only scores on the counter.

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Originally Posted by Kano

Most of our goals do not come with ten men behind the ball. That's as much as a misconception as it is that Vardy only scores on the counter.

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Have you seen us play? We dilly dally the entire game being irrelevant and only pick up steam once we are a goal or two behind or its the last 10 minutes of the game. Do you see Vardy being effective in the 80 minutes of shit fest we have in most games? Vardy scores on the counter AND when the ball is moved quickly from front to back. Its not to say he doesnt score scrambled goals but his main strength (at least what seemed evident from last season) is when the ball is moved pretty quickly and attack the opposition box.

Now, if you are going to tell me that we move the ball around quickly and attack the opposition penalty area, then I am sorry to tell you that your cable provider has been showing you reruns of our games from more than a decade back.

No I've never seen us play before or seen every goal from last season either.

The only bits I've seen are when we don't score, usually when we are ponderous and/or stuck infront of ten men.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Higuain is a goal scorer. Technical but I don't think he'd be satisfied with not scoring. I wouldn't put Alexis down as a player that has allowed Wenger to coach the good out of him either. He still pushes for goals and to make something happen. Higuain has standards and comes with a rep for banging in goals. We need some that can play our system but add goals. We can't have someone so out of sync with the team he's isolated.

Also, Vardy comes from a small team. It's the first time he'll have the spotlight on him and have to deal with pressure. You can't be sure he'll respond to it well and not get star struck.

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If we buy Vardy Wenger will have him out on the Wing in no time, you just watch.