Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Kano]

You know what I mean. I don't think Vardy is the solution to our problems.

I don't think that player is easy to find by any means, but I don't think we're ambitious enough to find a player that is of the calibre we need. Clever and mobile is the main thing....Giroud is clever (IMO), but he's slow, and not ruthless enough.

Who knows, I've long since lost hope anyway, so hopefully if it is Vardy, he proves me wrong.....I just can't get excited about it anymore.

One thing I read recently that has helped me come round to the idea of Vardy, is regarding is counter attacking goals. He actually scores a good variance of goals last season, with some very clever finishes in some, not all of them have just been lashed in. I'd say he's probably actually scored more in the six yard box than on the break. I think some fans, myself included, have fallen into the trap thinking nearly every Leicester goal scored was on the counter because that was he narrative developed last season but the reality is, he is more than that type of finisher.

[Özim]

Second top scorer, title under his belt, player of the year, leading the line for England and scoring. What's the criteria for being up to it?

Second top scorer to a guy you don't rate who has also done it for more than one season I might add. He's not really leading the line for England, he's not even a starter, he came on yesterday and scored from 1 yard I would hardly say that's anything amazing.

The criteria for me is either proven goalscore who has done it for more than one season, preferably in mid 20's, if we can't get that a young guy who is scoring goals and has potential.

Vardy is 29 has one scoring season behind him for a team that performed miracles (so it's no surprise he got more goals than usual, all their players had a blinder, many probably won't have a season anything like it again), that's it, not really what I call a proven record.

If he'd at least had two good seasons scoring goals then maybe but one season for a team who won the title at the age of 29 (a footballers peak), no not good enough sorry.

What's even worse is the pubber has the audactity to tell us he has to think about it, really?? On your bike mate we don't need you.

[Niall_Quinn]

Second top scorer to a guy you don't rate who has also done it for more than one season I might add. He's not really leading the line for England, he's not even a starter, he came on yesterday and scored from 1 yard I would hardly say that's anything amazing.

The criteria for me is either proven goalscore who has done it for more than one season, preferably in mid 20's, if we can't get that a young guy who is scoring goals and has potential.

Vardy is 29 has one scoring season behind him for a team that performed miracles (so it's no surprise he got more goals than usual, all their players had a blinder, many probably won't have a season anything like it again), that's it, not really what I call a proven record.

Well you can take the negative angle on every aspect of every player and then say he's not good enough. Yes, 2nd top scorer, BUT... Yes, in the box scoring for England, BUT... Yes, won a title, BUT... All strikers are shite if you add a BUT... after all their achievements.

In the end what's more likely? That Vardy carries on doing what he did throughout the last season, or some kid comes in, hits the ground running and contributes with 20+ goals? I'd say the former given the latter is extremely unlikely to say the least.

And if the other option is going big on a player like Griezmann, then get used to another season of Bif and Theo because that's what we'll end up with if we start chasing elite strikers the club will never spend the money on and who wouldn't want to come here anyway.

[Özim]

Well you can take the negative angle on every aspect of every player and then say he's not good enough. Yes, 2nd top scorer, BUT... Yes, in the box scoring for England, BUT... Yes, won a title, BUT... All strikers are shite if you add a BUT... after all their achievements.

In the end what's more likely? That Vardy carries on doing what he did throughout the last season, or some kid comes in, hits the ground running and contributes with 20+ goals? I'd say the former given the latter is extremely unlikely to say the least.

And if the other option is going big on a player like Griezmann, then get used to another season of Bif and Theo because that's what we'll end up with if we start chasing elite strikers the club will never spend the money on and who wouldn't want to come here anyway.

I just don't really think one season at the age of 29 is really enough to be sure a player is top class to be honest, especially one where his team miraculously won the title, to me it wouldn't be wrong to believe those players may never reach that level again, particularly him at his age with his one good season behind him, it's not negative it's based on facts about his career.

Who knows, but at least the kid has years ahead of him, Vardy doesn't and I honestly don't believe he'll score more than a dozen next season.

Again that's the problem at the club, it's cheap, we need a clearout of these people with a small time mentality.

[Power n Glory]

A player who can work with limited space and take advantage of dangerous situations quickly and cleverly.

And as a bonus, a player who gets in the box, actually knows which direction the goal is in and doesn't spend his whole time missing sitters and pulling faces.

Who is seriously saying this guy couldn't help us fix the immense flaws we have in the striker department right now? You can't be serious. A lot of speciality Arsenal snobbery going on here. The glory days are getting further in the past, time we snapped out of it and started looking to make some new glory days.

Hardly any goals there where defenders are sitting deep and Vardy has to fashion out a chance for himself. Goals from tight spaces were crosses and our team can't cross for shit.

You need a reminder.



Look at the goals. Tight spaces, great control, creating space for himself....this is what I'm talking about. It will be difficult to find this sort of player but we at least need a goal scorer that can create a brilliant moment and not be so heavily dependent on service. It's an argument some of you just don't get. It's the same thing I say about Ozil and why I point out the difference between his performance and Payet's. We need more players that can take responsibility.

[Toronto Gooner]

I'm not sure, that momentum is something that seems to work for, rather than against him. It seemed to be once he was forced to take time out last season with injury, he really struggled to get back into the groove. Previously his schedule had been non-stop yet had little or no effect on his output. There aren't many players with the energy and work rate of Alexis, so I think he has to be thought about and managed differently too...

I went back and checked: Sanchez had only played more than 40 club games in a season once in the 9 seasons prior to him joining Barcelona. In the 5 seasons since, he has never played less than 40 club games. I appreciate that momentum is very important but in this situation, I believe that Sanchez needs to have a summer that does not involve a major tournament.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think you're just reaching for strands of half arguments from any quarter in an attempt to give legitimacy to what is nothing more than the rejection of a player from a 'little' club. The kick and rush Leicester and over the top Vardy stories are manufactured by bitter pundits and hold no truth at all. The video showed Vardy scoring a broad mix of goals, certainly some in tight situations, others at pace, some from the spot. A good mix.

But okay. Let's move out of reality and say Vardy can only score, or mainly score, when it's hoofed over the top so he can chase it. Typical Leicester, small time, backwater club and champions of England.

Fortunately for us we have a player who lays on the record amount of on-a-plate chances. He's called Ozil. Another player you don't like because his on-a-plate chance are not on-a-plate enough. I mean come on. Snap out of this. If you don't want Vardy here then that's cool. But don't be making shit up when it's easy to determine the exact opposite just by watching a video. If you want a player who takes responsibility then you won't do much batter than Vardy, will you?

We really are a bunch of fucking snobs at this club

[Marc Overmars]

Second top scorer to a guy you don't rate who has also done it for more than one season I might add. He's not really leading the line for England, he's not even a starter, he came on yesterday and scored from 1 yard I would hardly say that's anything amazing.

Like Griezmann the other night?

[Toronto Gooner]

... but we at least need a goal scorer that can create a brilliant moment and not be so heavily dependent on service. It's an argument some of you just don't get. It's the same thing I say about Ozil and why I point out the difference between his performance and Payet's. We need more players that can take responsibility.

I have not read your earlier comments regarding the difference in the performances of Ozil and Payet. However, I am going to go out on a limb and speculate that you prefer Payet and would sooner have him at Arsenal rather than Ozil. If so, perhaps you can provide the rationale(s) why Payet has only played 21 games for France since his debut in 2010, and how so many top clubs (including Real Madrid) did not sign him sooner?

Personally, I would sooner have the understated excellence of a World Cup winner, who has been German Player of the Year 4 times, over a player who has made an impression (possibly one season only) with a 2nd/3rd tier EPL team. If we can get a striker who can take advantage of the service from Ozil, perhaps things will be much better.

[Power n Glory]

I think you're just reaching for strands of half arguments from any quarter in an attempt to give legitimacy to what is nothing more than the rejection of a player from a 'little' club. The kick and rush Leicester and over the top Vardy stories are manufactured by bitter pundits and hold no truth at all. The video showed Vardy scoring a broad mix of goals, certainly some in tight situations, others at pace, some from the spot. A good mix.

But okay. Let's move out of reality and say Vardy can only score, or mainly score, when it's hoofed over the top so he can chase it. Typical Leicester, small time, backwater club and champions of England.

Fortunately for us we have a player who lays on the record amount of on-a-plate chances. He's called Ozil. Another player you don't like because his on-a-plate chance are not on-a-plate enough. I mean come on. Snap out of this. If you don't want Vardy here then that's cool. But don't be making shit up when it's easy to determine the exact opposite just by watching a video. If you want a player who takes responsibility then you won't do much batter than Vardy, will you?

We really are a bunch of fucking snobs at this club

NQ, there is something different you are seeing or not seeing from that video. There are hardly any strikes from outside the box or where he's having to create space for himself where the ball is at his feet, defenders in front of him and his team mates aren't in great scoring positions either. Nothing to do with snobbery.

As for Ozil....check the difference between Payet's performance when France were struggling to break down Romania and Albania to Germany's games where Ozil was a complete passenger. If you can't spot the difference I can't discuss this with you. It's that simple.