Match Reaction vs Stoke City (away)

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Well, hopefully it happens to the extent that it gets noticed. I would love to see a half empty stadium.

However it's not going to hurt the club where it really matters - financially.

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Wenger was questioned about the number of empty seats seen recently at home games and the proposed boycott of the Sunderland game, his response was we have sold out of tickets on these games so there is no issue.....:rolleyes:

Unbelievable arrogance of the highest order.

Wenger isn't stupid, he understood the point that was being made but as usual refused to go into dialogue about it.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

This is like finding your favourite tune on the radio as the car is heading over the cliff. The fact is, if fans give it a rest then that will be immediately seized upon and exploited. Now is the time for fans to be more vocal than ever. By all means, have a cheer that the team is (eventually) winning a few (against very poor opposition it should be added), but the pressure on Wenger must be maintained if we want to translate these few wins into something useful down the line.

Also remember that the last significant test we faced in footballing terms (rather than psychological terms) was against the spuds. And we were played off the pitch. We absolutely needed a point in that game, at the very least. We failed.

What we are really seeing in these last few games is not progress - far, far, far from it. We are witnessing what is being spun into another glorious failure. 2% away. Almost did it. Nearly. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

And look at Wenger's team selections. He's learned fuck all.

Here's what the problem is. The standards of the fans have dropped and now approach Wenger's miserable standards. So we mistranslate what we SHOULD be doing anyway, but have failed to do all season, into some measure of success by comparison to a rancid benchmark.

Wenger deserves no credit whatsoever for this rather embarrassing run-in. All we can say, if we are being truthful, is he's a slightly less outrageous fuck-up than he had the potential to be over the course of this miserable season.

And we still aren't playing well by the way. Not by the standards we have set in the past. We are cheering because we have managed to get back to the very basics during limited phases of the last few matches. We can pass again. We can shoot again. We're even getting the odd cross into the box. Hallelujah. Our so-called rivals, that this abusive and money grabbing board suggested we'd be challenging by now, do all that without effort.

Keep the pressure on because failure to do so will mean failure guaranteed on the pitch. That's probably the outcome regardless, but it's worth fighting against it right up until Wenger's pen hits that contract - if for nothing else than to show that, no, we do not accept these shitty standards.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

Where are people supposed to be more vocal? This is the point. You're looking at immediate reactions to games on AFTV and saying they should still be pissed off despite wanting to celebrate a win.

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Are you saying that when we in they should just celebrate the win and not make feelings about other areas clear. Counterproductive IMO, the club doesn't want people not to turn up, it doesn't really want mass demonstrations, it wants people to be happy because it makes life easier.

At the end of the day, these wins are totally meaningless, they don't take away from a miserable season, they do however take pressure off the club because it seems clear that when we win the protests are muted at best, I just think the mood after 3 wins seems to have changed a lot and the club wil be loving it, Wenger is as arrogant as ever and feels justified...it's become easier and easier for him to sign a new contract. Even if we lose to Chelsea in the cup final (which will will IMO), the excuse will be we lost to the Champions and there's no shame in that, trouble is there is shame in what we've seen this season.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Wenger was questioned about the number of empty seats seen recently at home games and the proposed boycott of the Sunderland game, his response was we have sold out of tickets on these games so there is no issue.....:rolleyes:

Unbelievable arrogance of the highest order.

Wenger isn't stupid, he understood the point that was being made but as usual refused to go into dialogue about it.

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The guy always has some kinda smug answer to everything that questions what he's doing, the power has gone to his head and he feels untouchable, as sad state of affairs....he's really destroying this club in more ways than one.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We'll see tomorrow. People who care about these things have tried to organise a sensible protest and they have given fans plenty of notice. So if we can see the effects of that tomorrow, good news. If we get a stadium full of drones then fuck it, the club is done.

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Be interesting to see, previous protests haven't gone well even at the height of the anger, I suspect after a few wins people will only be too happy to turn and support the team against a bunch of no hopers.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Are you saying that when we in they should just celebrate the win and not make feelings about other areas clear. Counterproductive IMO, the club doesn't want people not to turn up, it doesn't really want mass demonstrations, it wants people to be happy because it makes life easier.

At the end of the day, these wins are totally meaningless, they don't take away from a miserable season, they do however take pressure off the club because it seems clear that when we win the protests are muted at best, I just think the mood after 3 wins seems to have changed a lot and the club wil be loving it, Wenger is as arrogant as ever and feels justified...it's become easier and easier for him to sign a new contract. Even if we lose to Chelsea in the cup final (which will will IMO), the excuse will be we lost to the Champions and there's no shame in that, trouble is there is shame in what we've seen this season.

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You specifically mentioned Arsenal Fan TV as a way to gauge the temperature with fans. What did you see that made you feel as though the people have changed their stance? We're talking about an immediate reaction to a game. People celebrating the result. Not Wenger. You get that, right?

What's counterproductive is you saying Wenger will sign a new contract anyway and there is nothing anyone can do. That sort of thinking is what stops protests and people just accept things as they stand.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Has anyone seen Wengers latest press conf. delusional does not even come close to describing it
https://youtu.be/Llfmhyrls7g

“if you look at the Bayern game across the 2 games, in the first half, we were already qualified”?

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Got halfway and couldn't bear listening to it. How many times now?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Got halfway and couldn't bear listening to it. How many times now?

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God those things are so boring, mundane questioning with irritating tapping away on the laptops in the background, what for to tell us what we already know? How about asking some of the questions we really want know about, how about asking him why every season the team collapses when the big prizes are won and how he thinks he's going to change things.

I noticed he mentions the fact that our recent run show we don't need many changes, just to strenghten the squad a little bit....absolutley clueless.

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

You specifically mentioned Arsenal Fan TV as a way to gauge the temperature with fans. What did you see that made you feel as though the people have changed their stance? We're talking about an immediate reaction to a game. People celebrating the result. Not Wenger. You get that, right?

What's counterproductive is you saying Wenger will sign a new contract anyway and there is nothing anyone can do. That sort of thinking is what stops protests and people just accept things as they stand.

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Barely anyone saying this changes nothing, mainly positives about the performance and the win and the changes in the system etc etc. It's an immediate reaction of course, but if I'm not happy about something I don't sweep it under the carpet because things have gone well that day, it's still a prevalent issue and still one that needs to be voiced at every opportunity.

Do you disagree, especially with the fans seemingly being so indifferent, if the fans were kicking up a fuss and making it almost untenable for him to stay it might be different, it seems that Arsenal fans that have grown up under Wenger just aren't of that breed, they'll stamp their feet once in a while but then storm disappear as quickly as it arrived, it really suggests it's half hearted wish to have Wenger replaced.

At the end of the day if the hierarchy are happy, then why would they change, change would require a monumental effort from fans, one we're just not seeing...at any other club he would have been hounded out by now.

At the end of the day you don't go to games, you don't take part in any active protest yourself and yet you feel content to tell people how they should be responding. The Arsenal fan tv reaction was match reaction to the game vs Stoke, it wasn't reaction to being asked at the 1,000th of asking is Wenger a cunt?.

If you're honestly telling me that Wenger would have got sacked last year if only the fans were vocal enough you out of you're fucking mind. At the end of the day this season as it stands, Wengers future is still up in the air and I would say that's in no small way due to fan protests and the organisation of fan groups, which you Zim have contributed fuck all towards.

As I said to you before, if you think the fans should be more vociferous towards Wenger you should perhaps show them how it's done. But I suspect it's easier for you to stand back and be a dickhead.