Match Reaction vs Stoke City (away)

[Niall_Quinn]

The game is on general sale tomorrow so I don't think there will be much of a protest anyway, I can't imagine those who don't often get a chance to go will waste their experience by protesting.

Any kind of protest will as usual be reduced to a few hundred people with little signs, a portion that are ambivalent and another who are so easily offended they will chant 'one Arsene Wenger'.

Agreed. That's why I say the standards of the fans has been dragged down to Wenger's lowly standards. We are almost united in settling for less.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Who's suggesting that?

Even here on GW in that match thread, everyone was chuffed with a nice bit of orc slaughter. Except PnG but that was down to retarded Wenger and the team selection and I understand that 100%

Question is, how many fans have been hoodwinked by this latest (and most basic) run of form? And how many were borderline, don't care, and are now fully back in the don't care camp?

Not sure that I care too much myself tbf. But I will get sick in my mouth if that cunt Wenger tries to play this up in any way.

You are the ones asserting for a fact that fans have figuratively taken their trousers down and bent over based on nothing other than the fans were happy with the result.

This is the kind of nonsense Zim comes up with all the time

[Özim]

I definitely think you're full of shit

You are basing this opinion because fans aren't like you, and P n G mentions the Le Grove blogger you remind me of the term he coins "grief porn". I don't think bad results annoy you, they seem to be your sustenance. For fans who go week in, week out however maybe just maybe they don't get high on the same misery as you do and just want to see a good game of football and be able to suspend for a few hours the bigger context.

Football is a form of escapism after all, this idea that you need to reaffirm with every sentence that you want Wenger to go or somehow you are perpetuating the cycle is the kind of nonsense that only an armchair fan could come out with.

I think the boycott of the Sunderland game is a good idea, and you have nothing but pure supposition to suggest that people won't go along with it just because of what happened on Saturday

Well yes because you live in this little world where you want change but where people shouldn't actively try to make it happen because it's not the done thing and you find reasons as to why people shouldn't do it.

If you want to see change you make it clear regardless of what happens, otherwise don't expect it to change and don't complain when it all goes pearshaped again like it does every year and has been for as long as I can rememeber.

What we're seeing at the moment is music to the ears of the board and manager, a few wins, fans over the moon, protest dying off and people turning up every week.

Makes me laugh you want to see change but actively argue that people should behave as if they don't want change.

[Özim]

You are the ones asserting for a fact that fans have figuratively taken their trousers down and bent over based on nothing other than the fans were happy with the result.

This is the kind of nonsense Zim comes up with all the time

Yes just like they were happy last season, the season before that, the season before that and so on. You can clearly see sentiment is changing after a few wins, people seem a lot happier, not so many Wenger out comments etc etc, you may be oblivious to it but you only need to look at the manager and how much more relaxed and confident he is about his position and his team.

All of this does one thing, cements Wengers position even further, you can be happy with the result but still maintain the same atttidue and points you made when you weren't, trouble is that's not what happens at all, what happens is the stance softens towards Wenger and people who want him out become indifferent about making it clear as they're happy with what is happening at that point in time.

[Özim]

Agreed. That's why I say the standards of the fans has been dragged down to Wenger's lowly standards. We are almost united in settling for less.

Spot on, losers mentality running right through the club tbh, all Wengers doing a few nothing wins at the end of the season and the odd tin pot cup has kept the fans happy for well over a decade.

[Özim]

He is not telling anyone they shouldn't celebrate when we win.

Who is telling anyone not to celebrate?

[Özim]

How can it be anything other than supposition? That's the whole thrust of the debate. Have these meaningless wins amounting to our biggest failure to date under Wenger had an impact on the fans and their attitude to Wenger? I'd say, if you asked them if they want Wenger to stay or go, most will still say go. But if it's just a self held opinion that's never acted on then there's no real point having that opinion in the first place. Action is what it takes, ranging from ongoing criticism on social platforms all the way through to direct protest in the stadium.

Totally agree, if you want Wenger our but bcome less vocal about it after a few wins, there's no real conviction in your opinion, it's like someone who wants to win the lottery, tells everyone but never buys a ticket.

[Niall_Quinn]

You are the ones asserting for a fact that fans have figuratively taken their trousers down and bent over based on nothing other than the fans were happy with the result.

This is the kind of nonsense Zim comes up with all the time

We'll see tomorrow. People who care about these things have tried to organise a sensible protest and they have given fans plenty of notice. So if we can see the effects of that tomorrow, good news. If we get a stadium full of drones then fuck it, the club is done.

[Power n Glory]

You are the ones asserting for a fact that fans have figuratively taken their trousers down and bent over based on nothing other than the fans were happy with the result.

This is the kind of nonsense Zim comes up with all the time

It sounds like it. NQ said yesterday to put Wenger to one side for one second after the game. I understand that totally. Not sure where everyone is coming from today.

[Power n Glory]

Totally agree, if you want Wenger our but bcome less vocal about it after a few wins, there's no real conviction in your opinion, it's like someone who wants to win the lottery, tells everyone but never buys a ticket.

Where are people supposed to be more vocal? This is the point. You're looking at immediate reactions to games on AFTV and saying they should still be pissed off despite wanting to celebrate a win.