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Falcao missed a chance.. RvP misses chances. I think Welbeck will be a good signing and will get us 20 goals this season which is fair enough. He also has a good attitude and you know you will always get 100% from him. He wont sulk when things go bad... just get up and go again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You know what Welbeck is?
New Ian Wright.
All strikers miss chances, the issue is does he miss too many. Zim thinks so, maybe he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Welbeck looks like a good player though and he's fairly young so hopefully will improve. He adds a bit of pace up front and was inches away from a very good debut goal.
Pretty happy with the signing, let's hope he comes good.
Since the date Welbeck signed he has scored two chances and missed one by a whisker. From the same date Rooney has scored a tap-in and missed two (maybe three) sitters. Rooney's finishing and overall play has been woeful. Welbeck has looked sharp and has put himself about well. Rooney has been given a free ride by the media, some hacks have even come out waving Rooney flags, a few fools gave him MOTM after his shitty England non-performance. RvC has looked clueless and is off form. Falcao is acknowledged as a deadly finisher, but he's missed his one chance so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
In conclusion, Welbeck is the guy who can't finish.
I'd forgotten about the England goals. Yeah, they were good. One a nice calm finish, the other more a case of being in the right place - but you have to get there and he did.
So I'm not agreeing with Ozim in any shape, way or form whatsoever, but Welbo scores that chance we probably win the game.
Sure it was a cute effort, nice technique, clever imagination, one that Sanogo probably slashes wide with his right stump. But ultimately it's a shot off target from a one-on-one, the kind of chance you put away if you are to win big games. Having watched it several times I think a low instep curler inside the near post would have been almost impossible to stop, the percentage play.
Football is about decision making as well as execution.
So maybe it was the wrong decision, maybe it wasn't. Bergkamp always used to like chips because he said that was where the space was. But that was Bergkamp, one of, if not the finest technician ever to play for us. If Welbo is to become our no. 9, a bit of ruthlessness might not go amiss.
Nevertheless I think it was an encouraging debut. We have a forward who has enough touch to join the link up play and enough mobility to run beyond. He's not "Falcoa", but then, who the hell is?
Rooney missing chances and what the press has to say is irrelevant. Welbeck is the guy with something to prove and he'll get his chance.
Hmm. That's a bit of a leap. It was what, 20 minutes in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
Ramsey scores that chance to put us 3-1 up (wasn't easy, but he's capable) and we win the game.
Not irrelevant at all because the media are the driving force behind this idea Welbeck can't finish. We didn't hear a word about it from them before the transfer. Listening to Utd fans, one minute they are gutted he has left, then they slowly move to the view he's no good anyway. That hateful coward van Gaal then pitches in with his Manchester Utd "standard" bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
This is a kid who just got both the goals in what will probably be England's toughest qualifier - when the spotloght was bang on him. How's that for composure? Point proved. The media would still be gushing if he was still at Utd. Instead they mention he's kept his Utd wash bag. It's comedy.
Looks at where the media focus is - Ozil, Welbeck, Wilshere - all with big question marks attached.
Rooney the fraud - MOTM.
If we are to do any serious analysis then the media bullshit has to be filtered out. It may be irrelevant but it's at the heart of all the bullshit and the fuel for all these myths.
Merts is also very slow btw - did you know? And shouldn't have been in the Germany squad and doesn't deserve to be a world cup winner. Kos lacks leadership qualities.
They were both the highest rated defenders last year.
Kompany and Jones? Legends.
Football is a game of opinions. But why don't people have their own opinions instead of borrowing from a media with a transparent agenda?
It is a leap. But a leap I'm willing to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
With City creaking in the first 20 I think a goal then changes the game, instead of their goal switching momentum in their favour.
I think we let slip an important win either way.
I thought that was Zim :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
It was one of those games that ebbed and flowed a bit and could have gone either way. A goal 20 minutes in would have changed it but it's not a given we'd have gone on to win IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
We'll never know of course.
I'd be more critical of him had he scuffed it well wide or thrashed it high into the stands. It was inches away from a very good goal, they all do it. He's showing a lot of promise IMO, he looked good for England and he looked good for us. Could be a very good signing.
Aye. Very happy with all the players we bought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
The DM / CB situation will see us fall short again however.
I've never thought Rooney was a great finisher, he scores some great goals and the rest of his play is (or use to be) very good in terms of work rate, creativity etc but his finishing was never top notch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He's had the odd season where he's scored quite a few but I don't think finishing is what his game is about. Maybe it's not Wellbecks either to be fair, but sadly we needed a finisher.
Wellbeck also hadn't scored for England for a year before those goals, 2 goals in a year of International football isn't a great return.
You say it could have gone either way, but why does it always go against us in these big games, surely it's not down to just bad luck all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
2 goals in 8 games is another way of putting it. Which still isn't stellar, but this is a pretty poor England side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
He's got 10 goals in 28 games for England, not a bad ratio at that level.
No, it isn't. I don't think anyone would dispute we need to be getting better results in these big games. We did OK at home in them last year, away it was a fiasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It's not too bad, he's got it all to prove at the moment though, we saw him miss sitters for Man U plenty of times, until he starts putting them away the tag following him about missing chances will remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I hope he does because the rest of his game is really good, time will tell but I expect him to be one of those players who does score but also misses quite a few, just like Cole did or Giroud does, in many ways that's been a problem for us because in big games when chances are rare you need to take yours to take the points.
I don't really watch enough football to have taken much notice of him at Utd. What I've seen since he signed for us impresses me though.
The unfortunate thing for him is with Giroud out a lot is expected of him and he will be under more scrutiny that is probably fair.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Maybe the media is the driving force behind your opinion if you haven’t seen him play before. What the heck has Rooney got to do with our game last Saturday? It’s irrelevant. Why are you even bringing it up like it affects us in some way? I don’t even think the press are focusing on Danny Welbeck. You’re being paranoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I think there has been a fairly large amount of media comment on Welbeck. Most of what I've read is how well Arsenal have come out of this deal.
On some days, maybe? In general though, I don't think it's uncommon for most CFs to spurn a few chances before they 'find their range'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Which does make you wonder whether Danny Welbeck has genuinely been as wasteful with his chances in comparison to other forwards as is being being made out, or whether he's simply had fewer chances per game to work with because he's been playing on the wings? Forget his goals-per-games ratio for a minute - does anyone know what his chance conversion rate is? Having paid a bit more attention to what his shooting is actually like now, I wouldn't mind betting that it's not actually too far off any other forward in the league?
Very true. It hasn't been negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
Welbeck just needs to polish up on his finishing. When you’re confident enough to attempt chips, dinks and lobs, you can tell he’s confident in front of goal but needs to work on polishing his execution. It was the same with Theo. You’d see him miss chances but also score the type of goals someone like Sanogo or Adebaor just can’t. He’ll be fine with a bit of practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by I am invisible
You also need to be factoring in what actually constitutes 'a game' with some of these stats - are we talking about a full 90 minutes for each of those games in these stats, or are we also counting 5 or 10 minutes here and there from the bench?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Again, I think a lot of these goals/games ratios are very misleading with some players - at the very least, we should be looking at goals/minutes, but even that doesn't account for things like where you're actually being played, and whether the game is essentially already won by the time you come on, and your team is just seeing the game out, with no real urgency. Chance conversion rates are probably going to be our best guide when trying to work out how good/ or bad a finisher Welbeck actually is (and even they aren't perfect)...
Yeah, from what I've seen of him over the last couple of weeks, it doesn't look like there's too much wrong with his ability or technique? He just needs to work on the first thought that comes into his head in those situations: at the moment he seems to automatically want to do something flashy, when something simpler would actually serve him better (at least while the scores are tied, or we're chasing a game)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'm hoping that sort of thing will come fairly naturally though, once he's more confident of his place in the side? Just a theory, but I reckon a lot of that flashiness stems from the situatuion he was in at United, where his place in the side was never certain, and he maybe felt that he had to do something eye-catching and memorable in order to keep it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1G9feeq8S4
This sort of stuff he needs to cut out.
I think Welbeck did great for his first game for us. I thought his chip that hit the post was also the right decision. A simpler finish couldve come off the keepers legs. Its a game of small margins and unfortunately this time, the ball came off the post. If he does more of what he did on Saturday, we have a great player on our hands!
Ah, now I get it, well played LvG, Agent Welbeck indeed, it's going to be a long season.
I'm trying really hard to like you Welbz but that was shite.
welshit is alive and well.
I blame the media and Wayne Rooney!
Perfect game of rugby from what I saw.
Still reckon he will score 20 goals this season for us.
Another miss last night for him, could have made all the difference if he'd scored, needs to put those away, if we put our chances away we might get better results against the top teams.
LOL, no he couldn't. Dortmund were superior in every department, Welbeck could have scored 3 and they'd have scored 4. Last night can't be pinned on Welbeck. Strikers will miss more than they score - that applies to all strikers. The team creating more chances is how strikers rack their goal tally up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim