The Welbz Thread (official)

[Niall_Quinn]

Rooney missing chances and what the press has to say is irrelevant. Welbeck is the guy with something to prove and he'll get his chance.

Not irrelevant at all because the media are the driving force behind this idea Welbeck can't finish. We didn't hear a word about it from them before the transfer. Listening to Utd fans, one minute they are gutted he has left, then they slowly move to the view he's no good anyway. That hateful coward van Gaal then pitches in with his Manchester Utd "standard" bullshit.

This is a kid who just got both the goals in what will probably be England's toughest qualifier - when the spotloght was bang on him. How's that for composure? Point proved. The media would still be gushing if he was still at Utd. Instead they mention he's kept his Utd wash bag. It's comedy.

Looks at where the media focus is - Ozil, Welbeck, Wilshere - all with big question marks attached.

Rooney the fraud - MOTM.

If we are to do any serious analysis then the media bullshit has to be filtered out. It may be irrelevant but it's at the heart of all the bullshit and the fuel for all these myths.

[Niall_Quinn]

Merts is also very slow btw - did you know? And shouldn't have been in the Germany squad and doesn't deserve to be a world cup winner. Kos lacks leadership qualities.

They were both the highest rated defenders last year.

Kompany and Jones? Legends.

Football is a game of opinions. But why don't people have their own opinions instead of borrowing from a media with a transparent agenda?

[Fist of Lehmann]

Hmm. That's a bit of a leap. It was what, 20 minutes in?
Ramsey scores that chance to put us 3-1 up (wasn't easy, but he's capable) and we win the game.

It is a leap. But a leap I'm willing to make.

With City creaking in the first 20 I think a goal then changes the game, instead of their goal switching momentum in their favour.

I think we let slip an important win either way.

[Letters]

Not irrelevant at all because the media are the driving force behind this idea Welbeck can't finish.

I thought that was Zim

[Letters]

It is a leap. But a leap I'm willing to make.

With City creaking in the first 20 I think a goal then changes the game, instead of their goal switching momentum in their favour.

I think we let slip an important win either way.

It was one of those games that ebbed and flowed a bit and could have gone either way. A goal 20 minutes in would have changed it but it's not a given we'd have gone on to win IMO.
We'll never know of course.

I'd be more critical of him had he scuffed it well wide or thrashed it high into the stands. It was inches away from a very good goal, they all do it. He's showing a lot of promise IMO, he looked good for England and he looked good for us. Could be a very good signing.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Could be a very good signing.

Aye. Very happy with all the players we bought.

The DM / CB situation will see us fall short again however.

[Özim]

Since the date Welbeck signed he has scored two chances and missed one by a whisker. From the same date Rooney has scored a tap-in and missed two (maybe three) sitters. Rooney's finishing and overall play has been woeful. Welbeck has looked sharp and has put himself about well. Rooney has been given a free ride by the media, some hacks have even come out waving Rooney flags, a few fools gave him MOTM after his shitty England non-performance. RvC has looked clueless and is off form. Falcao is acknowledged as a deadly finisher, but he's missed his one chance so far.

In conclusion, Welbeck is the guy who can't finish.

I've never thought Rooney was a great finisher, he scores some great goals and the rest of his play is (or use to be) very good in terms of work rate, creativity etc but his finishing was never top notch.

He's had the odd season where he's scored quite a few but I don't think finishing is what his game is about. Maybe it's not Wellbecks either to be fair, but sadly we needed a finisher.

Wellbeck also hadn't scored for England for a year before those goals, 2 goals in a year of International football isn't a great return.

[Özim]

It was one of those games that ebbed and flowed a bit and could have gone either way. A goal 20 minutes in would have changed it but it's not a given we'd have gone on to win IMO.
We'll never know of course.

I'd be more critical of him had he scuffed it well wide or thrashed it high into the stands. It was inches away from a very good goal, they all do it. He's showing a lot of promise IMO, he looked good for England and he looked good for us. Could be a very good signing.

You say it could have gone either way, but why does it always go against us in these big games, surely it's not down to just bad luck all the time.

[Letters]

Wellbeck also hadn't scored for England for a year before those goals, 2 goals in a year of International football isn't a great return.

2 goals in 8 games is another way of putting it. Which still isn't stellar, but this is a pretty poor England side.
He's got 10 goals in 28 games for England, not a bad ratio at that level.

[Letters]

You say it could have gone either way, but why does it always go against us in these big games, surely it's not down to just bad luck all the time.

No, it isn't. I don't think anyone would dispute we need to be getting better results in these big games. We did OK at home in them last year, away it was a fiasco.