Gooners have been spoilt

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yep, two possibilities. Profit by accident, profit through planning. You are less cynical than I am. I am more realistic than you are.

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Phw & co. cashed in for a big payday because it was in the interest of the club --- selling to kronke. Eh, i buy that.
Phw & co. decided it was financially prudent to to invest little in the playing side but invest in a shiny new stadium -- the latter being the safest way to ensure the value of their shares remain intact. Surely, that is very cynical!
Phw & co. decided a self-sustainable model is in the best interest of the club -- literally, not breaking the bank no matter what but accrue profit was/is in the best interest of a FOOTBALL club. Surely, no selfish motives there!

Gotta laugh :lol:

EDIT: Wenger's delusion was a breath of fresh air to them shareholders. I recall wenger once retorting to a disenchanted shareholder at an AGM that 'your share value has gone up' --- so basically they shouldn't complain!

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Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...

This is the definition of an expert today.

 

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...3745_lawro.jpg

What a fucked up world.

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imagine an expert of his calibre performing an open heart surgery on you or a loved one! :wave:

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

When you put your eggs into one basket and it does not work out, then this is how things turn out in most instances. Man Utd won the league with kids from their academy built around some experience, which is something we decided not to do and eventually put us into this corner. So what then happens is you may develop some stars as we have and the talent ratio across the team becomes disproportionate, so regardless of how they were developed they eventually stand head and shoulders over the rest of a squad that has not been supplemented correctly. That is bad planning of a myopic vision.

The system we have of buying players from the ‘middle’ tier is fine, but again players like Cham and Park for example are not being used, so what is the point of using them? Surely if we are in danger of losing yet another key player to the team it would make sense to pay the going rate to maintain some sort of status quo, instead of this constant feeling of being in transition.

Justifying a price tag no longer counts I believe. No one, not one player – including Messi – can justify the wages they take home every month. If the club can find a way to justify paying for players like Denilson, Park, Cham, Bendtner etc for so long, then arguing against Walcotts rumoured demands seems pointless. Just pay the money. What does it matter anymore? None of them really earn their rate, none of them have any loyalty and it well serve to provide much needed stability in the squad – surely that counts for more than paying for Arshavin to keep his British visa or Park to escape military duty?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

This is like saying the effects of cancer can be mitigated by giving everyone cancer. It's a more level playing field if everyone is fucked, right? You don't solve a problem by inflating it. City and Chelsea have been horribly damaging to the game. They have destroyed the already diminishing bonds between the clubs and the fans and now you can see what we have. A closed shop where billionaire owners horsetrade with millionaire players with the focus being money rather than football. How anyone can view that as favourable is astounding. And it can only get worse because there may well be more teams at the top now but the gap between themselves and the rest is wider than it has ever been and now looks impossible to close unless more and more teams start employing the Chelsea model. Stupidly rich owner, dump tons of cash in, buy the trophies, suck the fans dry and a spending race to the finish line.

What should have happened is fairer deals with TV rights, fairer deals with European competitions. Extreme penalties for clubs who strayed outside their means. And this all goes without talking about the nature of those "petro" dollars and how many human beings had to die or suffer extreme poverty of disenfranchisement so fat fucking Frank Lampard could literally rob the food out of their mouths to stick petrol in his wide boy Ferrari. The price of everything, the value of nothing. Plus all the other average ****s who would have never made it if football was run on a merit system.

But I know - that's just the way the world works and as sentient beings and the most advanced species ever to walk the earth there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. It's "normal"

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This is a slippery slope. Ethics in business is virtually non-existent. Not sure going around moralizing and making insinuations about how someone made their billions is fair. You are free to, of course. But then that debate will boil down to scales ethical dubiousness.

Jokers point is a fair one; trickle down of 'petro-dollars' has increased the competitiveness of much lesser teams. That is not to say the point about tv money distribution is not a valid one --- but spilled milk and all that.

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Originally Posted by gooners

This is a slippery slope.

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That's what I said to the Missus last night.

with delight or as a complaint? :o

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Originally Posted by gooners

This is a slippery slope. Ethics in business is virtually non-existent. Not sure going around moralizing and making insinuations about how someone made their billions is fair. You are free to, of course. But then that debate will boil down to scales ethical dubiousness.

Jokers point is a fair one; trickle down of 'petro-dollars' has increased the competitiveness of much lesser teams. That is not to say the point about tv money distribution is not a valid one --- but spilled milk and all that.

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Not saying what has been done can be undone, not even demanding businessmen introduce ethics into their fucked up world. Sad little saps, 80 years of life and they spend it chasing paper. All I'm saying is, let's not praise them for it and let's not close our minds to imagining a better way. Eventually the better way will arrive because something that is rotten and infested with maggots inevitably consumes itself. When that happens, let's hope we have a few thinkers around who suggest we don't just start the whole insane cycle again because there's no alternative. Acceptance of this shit is dangerous, you tolerate it maybe but condoning it is another matter.

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Originally Posted by GB.

That's what I said to the Missus last night.

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Coincidence, that's what I told her too.

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Originally Posted by gooners

Jokers point is a fair one; trickle down of 'petro-dollars' has increased the competitiveness of much lesser teams.

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i think the illusion is that it has created more competition for the title but in reality there is only ever two teams in with a shout of winning the league after a certain point, never a third running it close to the end of the season. man city have just replaced chelsea's league position and if chelsea manage to come back in the league, it will be man u who flatter to deceive for a distant third.

there could be an argument that the tv money has tightened the gaps between teams fighting for 4-7. wenger has been criticised for calling fourth place a 'trophy' of sorts, but he is far from alone in that assessment - The Race For Fourth (and its pot of gold) is now an annual title created by and for the media to keep fans hooked. mediocrity is acceptable as long as everyone is paid, it seems.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i think the illusion is that it has created more competition for the title but in reality there is only ever two teams in with a shout of winning the league after a certain point, never a third running it close to the end of the season. man city have just replaced chelsea's league position and if chelsea manage to come back in the league, it will be man u who flatter to deceive for a distant third.

there could be an argument that the tv money has tightened the gaps between teams fighting for 4-7. wenger has been criticised for calling fourth place a 'trophy' of sorts, but he is far from alone in that assessment - The Race For Fourth (and its pot of gold) is now an annual title created by and for the media to keep fans hooked. mediocrity is acceptable as long as everyone is paid, it seems.

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That's one way to look at it, but if you see the quantity of players who could have been brought in in past, say 5 years, players wo went public and expressed their desire to join this squad, its quite impossible to see us in the current state that we're in. If you don't roll the dice and gamble in sports or in anything in life, there is no chance for a great reward.