Match reaction vs. Everton

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

When I look at recent performances the only players I would like to see starting in the team next year would be Sir Ches, Kos, Merts, Ozil, Rambo, Ox & Walcott - that's very worrying, especially when one of them is an ageing, slow defender. That would suggest we need 4 quality players to field a team of capable footballers in every position. Players like Wiltshire, Cazorla, Gibbs & Gnabbers should get a chance from the bench. Monreal, Sagna, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Vermalean, Giroud, Sonogo, Bentdner & Podolski simply can be sold or given away - they are not the future of AFC.
With addition strength needed on the bench we are looking at 7/8 players - its a big transition needed NOW, not the year after - NOW. Bearing in mind the facts & reality of Wengers transfer policies this simply isn't going to happen. 2014-15 De Ja Vu.

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Dont agree with that list. Flamini, Sagna, Rosicky, Pods and to an extent even Giroud can be there in the team. What we need is direction in the way we play. Why isnt more than one player ever attacking the box? Not even Ronaldo, Messi or Suarez would be able to score from the stupid tactics produced by our manager. There is no gameplan, no plan B, nothing.. clueless management.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Dont agree with that list. Flamini, Sagna, Rosicky, Pods and to an extent even Giroud can be there in the team. What we need is direction in the way we play. Why isnt more than one player ever attacking the box? Not even Ronaldo, Messi or Suarez would be able to score from the stupid tactics produced by our manager. There is no gameplan, no plan B, nothing.. clueless management.

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The players arent the problem. I could name at least 5 managers in the EPL. Any of these managers would add at least 5 maybe 10 points to this team with the same squad that we have now.

Wenger lost it years ago and he hasn't a clue where to find whats missing

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Yes that's what I said. Not sure where warped comes into it. We didn't play 4-4-2, we played much more freely than that. Sometimes we were a 4-4-2. Of course the wonderfully watchable 4-4-2 was one of the first victims of the modern clamp down. But enough of going with your drift away from the main argument. The modern game has passed Wenger by - discuss. 17 years in the top 4 so obviously no, this claim is entirely wrong, although I'm sure you are prepared to argue it to death anyway in spite of the evidence. One such argument could be that every manager bar those who have finished above us in prior seasons has been passed by the modern game. Okay, a stretch but maybe that's it. End of that argument then. You win.

Pure Wenger bashing as always. Incompetent fool, sacrificing the team to prove he is right, stealing from the club, etc, etc, etc. We can never seem to roll things back to a middle ground where it's possible for Wenger to be, say, 93% responsible, or 74% responsible. He always has to be 100% responsible, 100% incompetent, 100% a thief.

And then when you point out the extreme bias everyone dives in and says you are 100% happy with the way everything is going. It's as knee-jerking as the post match reactions themselves. Yay - we can win this. Fuck - Wenger out. Yay - great result, well played lads! Shit - Wenger was 100% responsible for that! Wenger out! Players did us proud! Wenger let us down!

Finances passed him by. Fact is, we don't actually know why Ox was on the bench yesterday. But we do know (taking into account Ramsey's fitness levels) he was about the only player we could bring on to influence anything. Squad's threadbare. Characters are missing. leaders are missing. Most of them jumped ship. Let's talk about realistic stuff. It's just silly to claim the manager who sits in 4th spot hasn't got a clue or has been passed by, so dump that stupidity. But it's legit to talk about the players he has bought with the funds we've had available because some of them don't seem to have a spine and that's partly the manager's fault and surely partly the player's fault? But I see free passes being handed out again.

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Are you a politician??? Talk a lot and most of it is sh1te.

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Originally Posted by saintnickle

Are you a politician??? Talk a lot and most of it is sh1te.

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And what if I was a politician - how much?

Nobody can cobble a load of mumbo jumbo together like NQ. All he does is keep repeating the lie that Wenger has had no money over and over again in the hope that it sticks. Wenger can't be trusted with money. He's the man who sells Ferraris and Lambos and uses the money to buy 2 dozen Toyota Corollas.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Nobody can cobble a load of mumbo jumbo together like NQ. All he does is keep repeating the lie that Wenger has had no money over and over again in the hope that it sticks. Wenger can't be trusted with money. He's the man who sells Ferraris and Lambos and uses the money to buy 2 dozen Toyota Corollas.

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"Wenger can't be trusted with money."

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I think that's the prize in the bag - unless anyone else can throw in something last minute that's even more stupid.

The way I see it the buck stops with the manager after 9 years of the same pattern emerging and him being the only constant I don't really see how he can be defended.

He's tried to do it his own way and he's failed to deliver on the promises he made, his record in the transfer market is disappointing, particularly in terms of signing the players in the positions needed, right now we're basically fully stocked in terms of creative CM's but in other areas we're having to play CM's or going short.

His tactics, team selections, subs, motivational ability and ability to identify what's needed to improve the team have been questionable for many years now.

As far as I'm concerned from a fan point of view he's collected his big salary but not delivered on it, frankly I don't care what the board thinks is acceptable because I don't give a sh*t about them and they know nothing about football or what fans want.

From an ambition point of view if Wenger is indeed a top manager then getting 4th and being happy with the fact he's achieved his goals is not the right attitude for a manager who is supposed to be so good, the best manager's want to win and will do anything it takes to do it that's what sets them apart.

As he's said he wouldn't feel he was doing his job if he didn't make the club a profit, the more success you have the more revenue you'll bring in and thus your chances of profits are increased and everyone is happy, if he wants to focus on profits he should go and work for a bank not a football club as far as I'm concerned, it's up to the board to worry about the profits not the manager.

He was done a few years ago IMO, and now he's definitely done, it's time to shake his hand thank him for all the memories and move on.

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Originally Posted by Özim

From an ambition point of view if Wenger is indeed a top manager then getting 4th and being happy with the fact he's achieved his goals is not the right attitude for a manager who is supposed to be so good.

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I don't think that is his attitude.

Agree with much of the rest though.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

The players arent the problem. I could name at least 5 managers in the EPL. Any of these managers would add at least 5 maybe 10 points to this team with the same squad that we have now.

Wenger lost it years ago and he hasn't a clue where to find whats missing

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That is an interesting theory but I'm not sure it is totally true, though I think there are a number of managers who could have gotten better results against the top teams. The top teams are in a niche though and still the minority. More pertinently is the fact that any top manager in the league would not have gone into the season with this squad. They'd have spent more of the money at their disposal. Chelsea's strikeforce is by some distance superior to ours (and they ain't all that) and yet Mournho has been slagging off his forwards on a weekly basis since he rejoined Chelsea. He'd have thrown himself under a bus if he had Giroud, some bloke called Sanogo and Bendtner going into a season.

Even Moyes who has long been known as a frugal manger spent the cash the moment he joined a club with the resources in Fellaini and Mata.

Incidentally my Dad owns a toyota corolla which of course he swears by. If you thought Wenger was a penny pincher you need to meet my pop....:d