Match reaction vs. Everton

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes that's what I said. Not sure where warped comes into it. We didn't play 4-4-2, we played much more freely than that. Sometimes we were a 4-4-2. Of course the wonderfully watchable 4-4-2 was one of the first victims of the modern clamp down. But enough of going with your drift away from the main argument. The modern game has passed Wenger by - discuss. 17 years in the top 4 so obviously no, this claim is entirely wrong, although I'm sure you are prepared to argue it to death anyway in spite of the evidence. One such argument could be that every manager bar those who have finished above us in prior seasons has been passed by the modern game. Okay, a stretch but maybe that's it. End of that argument then. You win.

Pure Wenger bashing as always. Incompetent fool, sacrificing the team to prove he is right, stealing from the club, etc, etc, etc. We can never seem to roll things back to a middle ground where it's possible for Wenger to be, say, 93% responsible, or 74% responsible. He always has to be 100% responsible, 100% incompetent, 100% a thief.

And then when you point out the extreme bias everyone dives in and says you are 100% happy with the way everything is going. It's as knee-jerking as the post match reactions themselves. Yay - we can win this. Fuck - Wenger out. Yay - great result, well played lads! Shit - Wenger was 100% responsible for that! Wenger out! Players did us proud! Wenger let us down!

Finances passed him by. Fact is, we don't actually know why Ox was on the bench yesterday. But we do know (taking into account Ramsey's fitness levels) he was about the only player we could bring on to influence anything. Squad's threadbare. Characters are missing. leaders are missing. Most of them jumped ship. Let's talk about realistic stuff. It's just silly to claim the manager who sits in 4th spot hasn't got a clue or has been passed by, so dump that stupidity. But it's legit to talk about the players he has bought with the funds we've had available because some of them don't seem to have a spine and that's partly the manager's fault and surely partly the player's fault? But I see free passes being handed out again.

[Power n Glory]

Yes that's what I said. Not sure where warped comes into it. We didn't play 4-4-2, we played much more freely than that. Sometimes we were a 4-4-2. Of course the wonderfully watchable 4-4-2 was one of the first victims of the modern clamp down. But enough of going with your drift away from the main argument. The modern game has passed Wenger by - discuss. 17 years in the top 4 so obviously no, this claim is entirely wrong, although I'm sure you are prepared to argue it to death anyway in spite of the evidence. One such argument could be that every manager bar those who have finished above us in prior seasons has been passed by the modern game. Okay, a stretch but maybe that's it. End of that argument then. You win.

Pure Wenger bashing as always. Incompetent fool, sacrificing the team to prove he is right, stealing from the club, etc, etc, etc. We can never seem to roll things back to a middle ground where it's possible for Wenger to be, say, 93% responsible, or 74% responsible. He always has to be 100% responsible, 100% incompetent, 100% a thief.

And then when you point out the extreme bias everyone dives in and says you are 100% happy with the way everything is going. It's as knee-jerking as the post match reactions themselves. Yay - we can win this. Fuck - Wenger out. Yay - great result, well played lads! Shit - Wenger was 100% responsible for that! Wenger out! Players did us proud! Wenger let us down!

Finances passed him by. Fact is, we don't actually know why Ox was on the bench yesterday. But we do know (taking into account Ramsey's fitness levels) he was about the only player we could bring on to influence anything. Squad's threadbare. Characters are missing. leaders are missing. Most of them jumped ship. Let's talk about realistic stuff. It's just silly to claim the manager who sits in 4th spot hasn't got a clue or has been passed by, so dump that stupidity. But it's legit to talk about the players he has bought with the funds we've had available because some of them don't seem to have a spine and that's partly the manager's fault and surely partly the player's fault? But I see free passes being handed out again.

Tedious. Fuck off, NQ.

[Niall_Quinn]

Tedious. Fuck off, NQ.

I see what you did there. You walked right into the absolutism trap and proved my point in your previous response, realised it so followed up with "Fuck off!" So now instead of the high ground you have a high horse. And off you ride. Bye then.

[Power n Glory]

I see what you did there. You walked right into the absolutism trap and proved my point in your previous response, realised it so followed up with "Fuck off!" So now instead of the high ground you have a high horse. And off you ride. Bye then.

You talk absolute bollocks, mate! What the heck has happened to you. There is no debate to had because you are warped! Any response made is only served up with more long winded drivel from a moron who thinks football hasn't progressed over the last 20 years. That's idiotic! It's a huge waste of my time.

[Niall_Quinn]

You talk absolute bollocks, mate! What the heck has happened to you. There is no debate to had because you are warped! Any response made is only served up with more long winded drivel from a moron who thinks football hasn't progressed over the last 20 years. That's idiotic! It's a huge waste of my time.

Isn't it you who positions himself as some sort of tactical and strategic guru? I just believe my eyes and leave it to others to tell me I shouldn't believe what I'm seeing.

Absolutely nothing has happened to me. I just won't pile in with the cool and loud crowd and their absolute views. It upsets some people, they seem to take it personally I won't slag the manager relentlessly or endorse some of the crazy shit being created out of thin air about him. I was taking the piss all the way through the match thread yesterday. Ripping Wenger for his reliance on too rigid a game plan, as one instance. But my problem is I won't go the whole hog and say everything he does is shite. I'll criticise him for his faults but because I won't go further people are aghast and shout, "Fuck, what's happened to you?" Sorry, but I'm not buying the idea the modern game has passed him by when he's sitting in 4th spot at the tail end of the season. The evidence doesn't fit the claim. The real evidence points to him being a consistently top manager with nobody left in British management that comes close to his record now Ferguson has gone. It also points to certain flaws in his ability to hit the very top with what he has at his disposal, and therein lies the real argument. Has he done well or poorly given the resources he's had and the task the board has set? That's a discussion worth having. Of course he has faults and I don't see anyone denying that. But there's some real silly crap going around too. Black and white, 0% or 100%, nothing in between. Won't play that and not in the least sorry if it offends.

[Dein-machine]

When I look at recent performances the only players I would like to see starting in the team next year would be Sir Ches, Kos, Merts, Ozil, Rambo, Ox & Walcott - that's very worrying, especially when one of them is an ageing, slow defender. That would suggest we need 4 quality players to field a team of capable footballers in every position. Players like Wiltshire, Cazorla, Gibbs & Gnabbers should get a chance from the bench. Monreal, Sagna, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Vermalean, Giroud, Sonogo, Bentdner & Podolski simply can be sold or given away - they are not the future of AFC.
With addition strength needed on the bench we are looking at 7/8 players - its a big transition needed NOW, not the year after - NOW. Bearing in mind the facts & reality of Wengers transfer policies this simply isn't going to happen. 2014-15 De Ja Vu.

[fakeyank]

When I look at recent performances the only players I would like to see starting in the team next year would be Sir Ches, Kos, Merts, Ozil, Rambo, Ox & Walcott - that's very worrying, especially when one of them is an ageing, slow defender. That would suggest we need 4 quality players to field a team of capable footballers in every position. Players like Wiltshire, Cazorla, Gibbs & Gnabbers should get a chance from the bench. Monreal, Sagna, Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky, Vermalean, Giroud, Sonogo, Bentdner & Podolski simply can be sold or given away - they are not the future of AFC.
With addition strength needed on the bench we are looking at 7/8 players - its a big transition needed NOW, not the year after - NOW. Bearing in mind the facts & reality of Wengers transfer policies this simply isn't going to happen. 2014-15 De Ja Vu.

Dont agree with that list. Flamini, Sagna, Rosicky, Pods and to an extent even Giroud can be there in the team. What we need is direction in the way we play. Why isnt more than one player ever attacking the box? Not even Ronaldo, Messi or Suarez would be able to score from the stupid tactics produced by our manager. There is no gameplan, no plan B, nothing.. clueless management.

[Globalgunner]

Dont agree with that list. Flamini, Sagna, Rosicky, Pods and to an extent even Giroud can be there in the team. What we need is direction in the way we play. Why isnt more than one player ever attacking the box? Not even Ronaldo, Messi or Suarez would be able to score from the stupid tactics produced by our manager. There is no gameplan, no plan B, nothing.. clueless management.

The players arent the problem. I could name at least 5 managers in the EPL. Any of these managers would add at least 5 maybe 10 points to this team with the same squad that we have now.

Wenger lost it years ago and he hasn't a clue where to find whats missing

[fari]

Dont agree with that list. Flamini, Sagna, Rosicky, Pods and to an extent even Giroud can be there in the team. What we need is direction in the way we play. Why isnt more than one player ever attacking the box? Not even Ronaldo, Messi or Suarez would be able to score from the stupid tactics produced by our manager. There is no gameplan, no plan B, nothing.. clueless management.

for real...how many times is giroud the only one in the box...none of the mids don't even try to crash the far post in case he misses the cross (which usually happens)...watching the games on tv i have to listen to the commentators ad nauseam mention that we need more players in the box...Wenger is a smart man, surely he has realised that this is an issue that needs to be adressed?!?!

[saintnickle]

Yes that's what I said. Not sure where warped comes into it. We didn't play 4-4-2, we played much more freely than that. Sometimes we were a 4-4-2. Of course the wonderfully watchable 4-4-2 was one of the first victims of the modern clamp down. But enough of going with your drift away from the main argument. The modern game has passed Wenger by - discuss. 17 years in the top 4 so obviously no, this claim is entirely wrong, although I'm sure you are prepared to argue it to death anyway in spite of the evidence. One such argument could be that every manager bar those who have finished above us in prior seasons has been passed by the modern game. Okay, a stretch but maybe that's it. End of that argument then. You win.

Pure Wenger bashing as always. Incompetent fool, sacrificing the team to prove he is right, stealing from the club, etc, etc, etc. We can never seem to roll things back to a middle ground where it's possible for Wenger to be, say, 93% responsible, or 74% responsible. He always has to be 100% responsible, 100% incompetent, 100% a thief.

And then when you point out the extreme bias everyone dives in and says you are 100% happy with the way everything is going. It's as knee-jerking as the post match reactions themselves. Yay - we can win this. Fuck - Wenger out. Yay - great result, well played lads! Shit - Wenger was 100% responsible for that! Wenger out! Players did us proud! Wenger let us down!

Finances passed him by. Fact is, we don't actually know why Ox was on the bench yesterday. But we do know (taking into account Ramsey's fitness levels) he was about the only player we could bring on to influence anything. Squad's threadbare. Characters are missing. leaders are missing. Most of them jumped ship. Let's talk about realistic stuff. It's just silly to claim the manager who sits in 4th spot hasn't got a clue or has been passed by, so dump that stupidity. But it's legit to talk about the players he has bought with the funds we've had available because some of them don't seem to have a spine and that's partly the manager's fault and surely partly the player's fault? But I see free passes being handed out again.

Are you a politician??? Talk a lot and most of it is sh1te.