A lap of honour :lol: they've let the fans down and it's been a poor season they don't deserve any credit, moreover the manager has been throwing the blame at the fans so no point applauding them for their support, it would all be very fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Would there had been a mass walk out if the banner hadn't sparked that conversation and caught the headlines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The banners have caught as much attention. Maybe more. It certainly sparked something and I think a message needs to be sent along with action so Wenger can't make excuse a low turn out for 'Thursday night' football.
Really? Bunch of clowns want to pretend everything is harmonius and that Wenger and co are doing a great job, like I said it's a dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
There's no other clubs where stuff like this goes on, it's an embarrassment to the game, no respect for people's opinions, just want to take them money and keep them quiet, club should be ashamed of itself to be honest, if this is what Wenger has turned us into, there's not a lot to thank him for.
The banners have been there on and off for the past eighteen months
Apart from Carling cup matches how many times have we seen a stadium that is Almost a third empty?
I don't know how true it is that fans are going to be banned from bringing banners next season, it seems to me that the club would be shooting itself in the foot because even though there are loads of fans still singing "one Arsene Wenger" unfortunately for the club there are enough unhappy ones to make alienating them even more a rather stupid move.
Like I say I have no issue with the banners but I think the empty seats has made more of a lasting impression with the media as to the extent of fan unhappiness and if it continues into next season it can't be dismissed as easily. Where as if people turn up with banners, well they are still turning up.
And unfortunately it feeds into the mentality of the Wenger brigade that people are coming into the ground to incite a bad atmosphere. But ultimately it's up to individuals what they do, I just think come the first home game of next season if there are a glaring amount of empty seats that will be more telling than any placard.....it says "fine if you think we are cunts, don't take our money".
I agree empty seats are the best way, there have been empty seats of course, trouble is empty seats mean little if it's season ticket holders or seats that have been paid for that are empty, they've already got the money.
Essentially what we'd need is people not to buy enough season tickets, seems that are too many Wenger supporters who think he's the best thing since sliced bread and who think our football is a gift from the gods for that to happen.
We've acquired a reputation for being entertainers, even when it's not true people still think we are, it almost seems like it's ingrained in some fans, like some form of brainwashing has gone on.
I tend to think there will be a drop in the purchase of season tickets, but added to that a club that is leaving massive gaps in match day attendance even in big games like Chelsea, city, United and the NLD will be an embarrassment to sponsors. Especially when their logos and brands are festooned over the advertising hoardings.
It's the negative attention that hurts, and Arsenal is an asset for Kroenke against which he can borrow money with favourable rates of interest for other business ventures. That's because it's a piece of prime sporting real estate but if the club is seen as in flux it fails to be as much of an asset and he's forced to act.
In that same time we will learn a great deal about Arsene Wenger, I still think this is a man who will want to jump before he is pushed. In all honesty I don't believe he will have wanted to create a rift with great sways of the fan base but as he sees it his first duty is to his employers.
Considering they're trying to ban the banners, ever wonder if they see such open discontent around the stadium as bad publicity for the club? It's obviously caught the attention of the Board or one of the higher ups so what are they trying to protect by banning them? You really don't know how effective they are and if sponsors are making a few concerned phone calls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The incident with Wright made a few headlines so I wouldn't discount it.
I swear you are stealing everything I said to you in a debate a month ago or so? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
At least we're in agreement. :good:
Maybe he was facing the Qiblah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Probably, I think the last two games has caused me to reassess my view on the effectiveness of it, I just assumed there was enough fans willing to backfill the empty seats but obviously not. Whether that will still be the case next season who knows, there could be a case made that fans will want to see how the season unfolds first even though in the back of their mind there will be an acceptance of not much changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory