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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
The dictionary seems to disagree with you.Quote:
Ambition: desire and determination to achieve success
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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
The dictionary seems to disagree with you.Quote:
Ambition: desire and determination to achieve success
Yeah, going by that definition, every single team in the Premiership is showing exactly the same amount of ambition, it's not the best word to use at all, it's just a buzz word thrown out there to criticise anyone not doing what someone else thinks is best.
Whatever Citeh are doing is different to what we're doing but it all has the same aim in mind, winning trophies.
Change 'success' to 'trophies' and it's spot on.
And let's not try and pretend that we're matching our ambition to win trophies with the same actions that Citeh are taking (admittedly in some part due to a restriction, finance).
Let's stop being pedantic and look at how it's no coincidence that our top players want a change in the steps Wenger takes to try and win trophies (namely adding more quality).
Citeh are doing that, don't think most top players care 'how'.
Oh fuck, we're going to get into a philosophical debate about what 'success' is, aren't we? (no, it's not just trophies you glory-cunting muppets); that said, doing things the hard way isn't necessarily ambitious if there is an easier path open...artificially making things hard is just stupid, not ambitious. Arsenal at the moment are stupid. And so is all your faces.
So are all our faces. :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
OK. So if, to run with Niall Quinn's post, I want to try to climb a mountain and I get a helicoptor to drop me at the top then I'm being really ambitious and I've achieved 'success'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
If you say so.
So you're saying Nasri should be just as happy to lose / underachieve with Arsenal (and our mediocre squad-players who can barely control/pass/finish), than win with City (and their array of superstars)? What loyalty should he have to the club? He's a french kid and only been here 3 years.
Don't forget to factor in that as a club we haven't been "trying our best" to compete - for the past 6 years we've been doing the bare minimum in terms of improving the squad to compete for titles, given our resources. We are top of the chart for net transfer spend!
Meaning, with a bit more investment over the years and better decision making on playing staff, we could have easily been more competitive over this period. It's not the case that we've tried our best and failed. We HAVEN'T tried our best, and failed as a result. This is why the fans are frustrated, and why shouldn't the players be too?
If money guaranteed success (reaching the top) you'd be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Have Man City won the league? Have Chelsea won the Champions League yet? Have Real Madrid won the league / CL in the last few years?
Have ADUG tried to take a team that regularly finished 15th and tried to make them into world champions? Yes.
The fastest way to compete with the top is money, you complain that the league is predictable and then complain when someone does what's required to compete?
No, but give it time, they've only just started. It took Chelsea a few years too and they started higher than City were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
But they've won the FA Cup already for the first time in your life, possibly the first time in mine.
Co-incidence? You decide.
Chelsea hadn't won the league in my lifetime till Uncle Abramovic came along.
Yes, because football is a sport, not a business. It shouldn't just be about who has the most money and it increasingly is.Quote:
The fastest way to compete with the top is money, you complain that the league is predictable and then complain when someone does what's required to compete?
It's not City's fault that it's that way and yes, they're taking the quick way, possibly the only way, to success. But don't expect me happy about what they're doing or the state of football these days which allows them to do it.
Dumb analogy. The success of the team is based on... the whole team. Climbing a mountain is down to one person. Nasri can't be responsible for how arsenal have underachieved as a team, and he can't make them win on his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
He's already climbed his own 'mountain' - he's highly paid and at a club where he at least has a CHANCE of winning something