Luis Suarez thread

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Yep, this is sort of attitude UEFA/Fifa have which is why they'll come down lightly on the Serbian national team for incidents that almost spark a mass brawl but then put a heavy fine on someone that breaks a sponsorship rule, like the Bendy boxer short incident.

Self interest is key. In this case, we'll overlook the racism case with Suarez because he'll bring obvious benefits to the team. For Fifa and UEFA, a ban on a nation means revenue loss.

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Not a single person here has condoned what Suarez said. That's the key.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Yep, this is sort of attitude UEFA/Fifa have which is why they'll come down lightly on the Serbian national team for incidents that almost spark a mass brawl but then put a heavy fine on someone that breaks a sponsorship rule, like the Bendy boxer short incident.

Self interest is key. In this case, we'll overlook the racism case with Suarez because he'll bring obvious benefits to the team. For Fifa and UEFA, a ban on a nation means revenue loss.

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Oh jesus!

So what do you want to do then?

Mass protest outside the emirates? Fuck all good that will do, the club doesn't listen to the fans anyway.

Wait until we buy him then boo and jeer him everytime he plays/gets the ball so he ends up shit and we piss away £40m+ ???

Well?

Honestly, what is the fucking point of going over and over and over it when ultimately it isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference!?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Not a single person here has condoned what Suarez said. That's the key.

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Yep, exactly.

I wonder if anyone can actually quote or highlight a post where any member here has actually said he was right to say what he said/bite someone and that they are happy and content with it.

We could flail ourselves during the half time interval.

Suarez was right to say what he said and to bite people and I'm happy with it.

53 pages :lol:

footballers ahve fucked us around for to long now, they've been dicks to us when we've been nice to them. its time to chagne that, lets be dicks ourselves, get dicks in to play for us and be properly hated.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Suarez was right to say what he said and to bite people and I'm happy with it.

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:lol:

Actually, I agree.

After all he was just letting them know he was there.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We could flail ourselves during the half time interval.

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We've pretty much done that every season for the last 8 years tbh :coffee:

Or was being bent over and shafted?

I cant remember...

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

footballers ahve fucked us around for to long now, they've been dicks to us when we've been nice to them. its time to chagne that, lets be dicks ourselves, get dicks in to play for us and be properly hated.

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If I didn't know any better, it sounds like your saying you want to see dicks playing with other dicks :shrug:

Or just dicks being played with.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

53 pages :lol:

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Have we signed him yet?

Smash a players leg to bits: Poor bloke, he's not that kind of player.

Give someone a little nibble: Burn him!

Football is fucked. Sign him up, I'll sing his name loud and proud.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Not a single person here has condoned what Suarez said. That's the key.

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UEFA and FIFA don't condone racism either. I never said they did and I'm not saying that's what's happening on here either. The point is, self interest is why people now feel a need to explain his actions, put it into context or now have the view that it was blown out of proportion and we shouldn't make too much of a fuss about it, when a few months back, most would have just written him off as a cheating, diving, racist with Hannibal Lecter like tendencies. Not many here were quick to question the popular media consensus on Suarez. Most would just reinforce it when mentioning him and prod away like how we do with John Terry and the kicking racism out of football image with Diaby.

Suarez and his actions aren't all that fascinating. It's the switch in perspective from some Arsenal fans now that he's being linked with a potential move here, that is more interesting. We were fine to be swept along by the media frenzy when he wasn't associated with us but now that he's linked, we're now trying to moralise. That's the interesting part and it's why I make the FIFA/UEFA comparison. You can sort of understand why Sep Baltter has said silly things in the past or why a blind eye was turned for certain ugly incidents without condoning it. FIFA and Sep have their own goals and agendas to worry about, they have their own self interests, money and revenue mostly, so actually doing something about racism in football was never high up on the priority list. Our priority as Gooners, it's winning back the title and signing a quality player. That trumps his sketchy past for most. Wanting him at the club isn't the problem, the revisionism is.

This all links back to yesterday's discussion. Racism isn't some sort of top down ideology past down from the ruling class to the lower. It works on an individual level and who you can identify with. The atrocities and 'real racism' you mentioned yesterday, it only works if the majority remain passive. You're right to say this Suarez situation is a storm in tea cup, but it's a small example of how we operate. Self interest comes naturally.

You said "past" :pal:

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

footballers ahve fucked us around for to long now, they've been dicks to us when we've been nice to them. its time to chagne that, lets be dicks ourselves, get dicks in to play for us and be properly hated.

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I fully agree

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

UEFA and FIFA don't condone racism either. I never said they did and I'm not saying that's what's happening on here either. The point is, self interest is why people now feel a need to explain his actions, put it into context or now have the view that it was blown out of proportion and we shouldn't make too much of a fuss about it, when a few months back, most would have just written him off as a cheating, diving, racist with Hannibal Lecter like tendencies. Not many here were quick to question the popular media consensus on Suarez. Most would just reinforce it when mentioning him and prod away like how we do with John Terry and the kicking racism out of football image with Diaby.

Suarez and his actions aren't all that fascinating. It's the switch in perspective from some Arsenal fans now that he's being linked with a potential move here, that is more interesting. We were fine to be swept along by the media frenzy when he wasn't associated with us but now that he's linked, we're now trying to moralise. That's the interesting part and it's why I make the FIFA/UEFA comparison. You can sort of understand why Sep Baltter has said silly things in the past or why a blind eye was turned for certain ugly incidents without condoning it. FIFA and Sep have their own goals and agendas to worry about, they have their own self interests, money and revenue mostly, so actually doing something about racism in football was never high up on the priority list. Our priority as Gooners, it's winning back the title and signing a quality player. That trumps his sketchy past for most. Wanting him at the club isn't the problem, the revisionism is.

This all links back to yesterday's discussion. Racism isn't some sort of top down ideology past down from the ruling class to the lower. It works on an individual level and who you can identify with. The atrocities and 'real racism' you mentioned yesterday, it only works if the majority remain passive. You're right to say this Suarez situation is a storm in tea cup, but it's a small example of how we operate. Self interest comes naturally.

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of course it does and you are as culpable as all of us when it comes to accepting blissful ignorance when it suits you.

so the best course of action here is to get off the moral high horse, put the beast down and realise you are preaching to yourself as much as anyone else.

people will be far more affected by stephen lawrence than some footballing spastic who said something wrong because these millionaires are not within our realm. who really cares? football or sport isn't real. we pay to watch it but the divide is so extreme that it may as well be on a TV even if we watch it 'live'. we pay, they perform, then we all fuck off back to something else. it's theatre. they even have their own yearly oscars. not a pat on the back from the public. but a huge love in every year.

we all look after ourselves, which isn't a bad thing. it's encoded within us. even the religious among us have an aim to do good so they can enter what they believe to be a good place after death. but self interest isn't all there is because just like this whole pathetic, blown out of proportion suarez-is-he-supposedly-racist-or-just-a-fucking-idiot case, the answer rests very clearly in the murky grey area.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

of course it does and you are as culpable as all of us when it comes to accepting blissful ignorance when it suits you.

so the best course of action here is to get off the moral high horse, put the beast down and realise you are preaching to yourself as much as anyone else.

people will be far more affected by stephen lawrence than some footballing spastic who said something wrong because these millionaires are not within our realm. who really cares? football or sport isn't real. we pay to watch it but the divide is so extreme that it may as well be on a TV even if we watch it 'live'. we pay, they perform, then we all fuck off back to something else. it's theatre. they even have their own yearly oscars. not a pat on the back from the public. but a huge love in every year.

we all look after ourselves, which isn't a bad thing. it's encoded within us. even the religious among us have an aim to do good so they can enter what they believe to be a good place after death. but self interest isn't all there is because just like this whole pathetic, blown out of proportion suarez-is-he-supposedly-racist-or-just-a-fucking-idiot case, the answer rests very clearly in the murky grey area.

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:gp: And there we have it, now can we move on please?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

of course it does and you are as culpable as all of us when it comes to accepting blissful ignorance when it suits you.

so the best course of action here is to get off the moral high horse, put the beast down and realise you are preaching to yourself as much as anyone else.

people will be far more affected by stephen lawrence than some footballing spastic who said something wrong because these millionaires are not within our realm. who really cares? football or sport isn't real. we pay to watch it but the divide is so extreme that it may as well be on a TV even if we watch it 'live'. we pay, they perform, then we all fuck off back to something else. it's theatre. they even have their own yearly oscars. not a pat on the back from the public. but a huge love in every year.

we all look after ourselves, which isn't a bad thing. it's encoded within us. even the religious among us have an aim to do good so they can enter what they believe to be a good place after death. but self interest isn't all there is because just like this whole pathetic, blown out of proportion suarez-is-he-supposedly-racist-or-just-a-fucking-idiot case, the answer rests very clearly in the murky grey area.

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If you have't followed the debate with me and NQ then you're not going to get it and will probably be offended. This is a response and answer to his earlier post about the root of racism. He's looking further out and points to the state and big governments, I'm saying it starts at an individual level and you have to look closer to home. As said, we all look after ourselves and you're right to say it's encoded within us and that's what I'm pointing at.

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people will be far more affected by stephen lawrence than some footballing spastic who said something wrong because these millionaires are not within our realm. who really cares?

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Not necessarily. As NQ was pointing out, there are even bigger issues happening right now that nobody bats an eyelid at.

You talk a lot about football tribalism a lot and it's part of the game that makes me cringe sometimes. It may sound preachy, but too bad.

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But Wenger said: “We are not close to signing Suarez... or anyone else. We are ready to do quick deals but all the transfers do not depend only on us. We are prepared to wait. “It looks very unlikely that we will have anyone before the Emirates Cup next week because everyone is on tour at the moment and it’s very difficult to get in touch with people.”

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2aERQp1qr

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We used our tour to delay and now we are using every else's. Good stuff. Then there will be the Emirates Cup which is huge so we'll need to focus on that instead of distracting transfers. But then what? It could get very tricky in the latter half of August.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We used our tour to delay and now we are using every else's. Good stuff. Then there will be the Emirates Cup which is huge so we'll need to focus on that instead of distracting transfers. But then what? It could get very tricky in the latter half of August.

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Chumps league qualifiers, then little bit big travel on plane to Fulham Raiders away, then mauling at home by Spuds, Bentner & Chmack recalled and we charge on to claim the title from Citehs grasp with a Milner hatrick:trophy:

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We used our tour to delay and now we are using every else's. Good stuff. Then there will be the Emirates Cup which is huge so we'll need to focus on that instead of distracting transfers. But then what? It could get very tricky in the latter half of August.

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They need to find someone to sell first, silly.

Pfft, Wenger playing the waiting game? It's was all bollox in the first place. Unwilling to pay over 23mil for Higuain, but going to splash out over twice as much on a player who's still facing match bans and what not? Horseshit. These ****s manage to swindle the fans every summer.

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Originally Posted by -Xs-

Pfft, Wenger playing the waiting game? It's was all bollox in the first place. Unwilling to pay over 23mil for Higuain, but going to splash out over twice as much on a player who's still facing match bans and what not? Horseshit. These ****s manage to swindle the fans every summer.

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:lol: horseshit

awful cowshit.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

So by your definition, Arsenal fans who have called spurs fans yids are racists. Or do you think it's more acceptable to demean Jewish people than black people? Were they racist or just ignorant?


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Regardless of what Suarez said, that doesn't mean he hates other races or thinks he's superior to them. I've heard people call Scholes a ginger c*nt for years, even I've done that. It's essentially the same thing, the only difference is that it's more socially acceptable than racist comments. But even if I did say that I have absolutely nothing against ginger people at all.

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No Penguin, by my definition, if you go up to someone of another colour/race and call them an offensive name mentioning colour then that is Racism. Whilst the "Yid" statement is racist, it is not done in the same context, I.E. it's a chant to offend fans of a team, are we now saying that every supporter of Spurs is jewish? Of course if some of those said fans are jewish then it is offensive to them and racist....but in the general context of things you can't compare the Suarez incident with Arsenal fans shouting "Yids" at Spurs fans.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree because we clearly see things differently.

Arsenal have turned their attention to Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, 26, after top target Gonzalo Higuain left Real Madrid to join Napoli.
Full story: Metro

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Good ol' Metro. Fingers on the pulse...

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

Arsenal have turned their attention to Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, 26, after top target Gonzalo Higuain left Real Madrid to join Napoli.
Full story: Metro

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Good ol' Metro. Fingers on the pulse...

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:haha: Are Liverpool "plotting a move for Watford star John Barnes" too?

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Originally Posted by Rors

:haha: Are Liverpool "plotting a move for Watford star John Barnes" too?

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To join up with our exciting young talent, Billy Liddell.

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Steven Gerrard believes Liverpool's season depends on keeping hold of Luis Suarez - and says a move to Arsenal "doesn't make sense at all".

Suarez remains heavily linked with a move away from Anfield with Arsenal having two bids rejected for the Uruguay international striker, the last one of £40million plus £1 which they believed would trigger a sale clause.

Liverpool have always maintained they merely had to inform the player of offers of that magnitude and have been steadfast in stating Suarez is not for sale.

Anfield captain Gerrard certainly does not want to see the 26-year-old leave - particularly to a club he sees as a direct rival in the race for Champions League football.

In an interview in the Independent, he said: "It's difficult every season to finish in the top four positions because of the power the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United have got at the moment.

"it all depends on what decision Luis Suarez makes in the next few weeks. If we lose him then the challenge becomes even more difficult. It's that simple"
Steven Gerrard

"The likes of us, Tottenham and Arsenal are fighting to sneak into the other place that's available.

"Where we sit actually right now, it all depends on what decision Luis Suarez makes in the next few weeks. If we lose him then the challenge becomes even more difficult. It's that simple.

"If he goes to Arsenal, it obviously makes our season that little bit more difficult.

"It strengthens them an awful lot and they are our rivals for a top-four position. From the club's point of view it doesn't make sense at all, no matter how much money is put on the table."
Invest

Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Gerrard emphasised Liverpool's need to invest rather than sell.

"This club needs to make one or two big signings if we are to compete for the top four - and keep Suarez," he continued.

"Alongside Gareth Bale, Luis is the third best player in the world after Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Luis and Bale are the two hottest properties out there at the moment.

"When you're in that position, you're going to get all kinds of teams wanting to pull you away, especially when you are at a club not in the Champions League.

"It's nothing to do with the British media [criticising Suarez]. Knowing the guy as I do that's probably the thing on his mind: wanting to be in the Champions League.''

Although Gerrard does not like the idea of Suarez leaving for North London, the midfielder would accept his team-mate leaving for Spain.

The 33-year-old continued: "If he was to go abroad to a Madrid or Barcelona I would totally understand it. He's a South American. He's good enough to play in either of those teams.

"From a family point of view, it's where they all want to be. Javier Mascherano, Xabi Alonso, some of the top players I've played with - their dream was to play for Real or Barcelona.

"If I was him I would wait for one of those two clubs because I think he's good enough to play for them."

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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/8849559/

The way Stevie Me is talking, you get the impression Suarez has indicated he is open to joining us, even if he discredits us at the same time.

3rd best player in the world, please, what total BS.

The hype that goes with some of these players, he's had one decent season in England and suddenly he's one of the 3 best players in the world. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

3rd best player in the world, please, what total BS.

The hype that goes with some of these players, he's had one decent season in England and suddenly he's one of the 3 best players in the world. :lol:

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Come on, this is Gerrard talking. The biggest flop in English football since the rest of the biggest flops in English football.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Come on, this is Gerrard talking. The biggest flop in English football since the rest of the biggest flops in English football.

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You should write professionally, tbh.

Top of the Flops. :bow:

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Originally Posted by LDG

Come on, this is Gerrard talking. The biggest flop in English football since the rest of the biggest flops in English football.

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Very true, has to be said though PL players do get hyped ridiculously (not just by the English media), let's not forget before last season Suarez had scored just 20 odd goal for Liverpool, takes a lot more than that to become one of the best.

He's very talented for sure, but the way people talk about him is ridiculous, he's not the 1st player to get 30 goals in a season and won't be the last. A certain Mr Adebayor did it once upon a time and look at him now.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You should write professionally, tbh.

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professionally, tbh.

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Originally Posted by LDG

professionally, tbh.

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You typed that, get a pen and do it properly you fucker.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

You typed that, get a pen and do it properly you fucker.

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AFCamden

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Arsenal have been told to up their bid for Suarez to £50m & Liverpool will sell. Suarez keeping quiet to allow #lfc to negotiate a fee.

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AFCamdentown :haha:

Liverpool captain exaggerates worth and importance of Liverpool's best player whom he wants to stay shocker!

This Suarez thing is such a load of boll*cks, I could never see a scenario where he would sign for us.

Should have moved on to someone else by now, instead we're sitting on our fat f*cking arses waiting for the new season.

What a horrible little club we have become.