Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

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Originally Posted by Ach

As soon as Cesc said he wanted to leave then we should have put him on the market. We shouldn't have given a toss if he only wanted to join Barca. As soon as he said he doesn't want to play for us anymore then it doesn't make a difference where he goes. Put him on the market, man city or Real come in with a £50m+ bid and Barca don't, we tell Cesc Barca don't really want him as they refuse to pay as much as other clubs so he can either stfu and stay wid us or he goes to Real or City. Simples.

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He'd have refused to sign for City or Real, brain of Britain.

So your brilliant idea is to tell Cesc Barca don't really want him? Really? Cos yeah, he doesn't know anyone at Barca and us telling him that would definitely have convinced him to sign for another club.

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Originally Posted by Ach

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ce-for-me.html

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How is this guy a manager?

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oh my days.

this follows on from these comments from wenger days ago:

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"I'm very grateful Cesc called me his second father. And he's like a son to me. He knows I'd never have done something to harm him."

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Yeah, that's a bit much, I know he has this thing about respecting people and their wishes but that was something we should have stayed strong on, regardless of the effect having a disinterested captain would have on the squad we simply can't afford to be a soft touch, or at least to be seen as one.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

oh my days.

this follows on from these comments from wenger days ago:

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Lol. So what does that say about Wenger's influence with the board? No more nonsense about Wenger being a victim and no more rubbish about Cesc screwing us over.

But that's kind of him. That's good of him to do that.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

He'd have refused to sign for City or Real, brain of Britain.So your brilliant idea is to tell Cesc Barca don't really want him? Really? Cos yeah, he doesn't know anyone at Barca and us telling him that would definitely have convinced him to sign for another club.:doh:

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Then we don't sell him at all if he doesn't want to go anywhere else until Barca pay what we want. Wenger just had to grow a set and toughen up but you've read the "he's like a son to me, I'd never harm him" comments. He chose Cesc over Arsenal and he can fuck himself over thatCunt

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Originally Posted by Darth Vela

Yeah, that's a bit much, I know he has this thing about respecting people and their wishes but that was something we should have stayed strong on, regardless of the effect having a disinterested captain would have on the squad we simply can't afford to be a soft touch, or at least to be seen as one.

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It's interesting how people moan about how Arsenal being just interested in money (with some justification)
And now people are saying the Cesc transfer should have been all about the money :shrug:

Having a disinterested captain would have been far more damaging than a bit less money in the bank is, IMO.

He clearly wanted away and we knew would only sign for one club this making our position weaker than it might have been for a comparable player about whom a bidding war may have erupted. It could and probably should have been sorted out earlier, apart from that I'm not sure what else we could have done.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Then we don't sell him at all if he doesn't want to go anywhere else until Barca pay what we want.

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Well OK, that is a viable alternative. But people were already questioning his commitment last year - I believe you were one of them. You think it would have been better to have another season with a disinterested player, worse - a disinterested captain?

Spurs have been tough with Modric and I've heard Spurs fans question whether that's the right call. In some ways I admire them for their stance but personally I'd rather have players who are interested in playing for us.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

It's interesting how people moan about how Arsenal being just interested in money (with some justification)
And now people are saying the Cesc transfer should have been all about the money :shrug:

Having a disinterested captain would have been far more damaging than a bit less money in the bank is, IMO.

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easy probem to solve, jusy strip him of the captaincy. simples.

wenher didnt have the balls to do that to his son thas why he begged the board to sell.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

It's interesting how people moan about how Arsenal being just interested in money (with some justification)
And now people are saying the Cesc transfer should have been all about the money :shrug:

Having a disinterested captain would have been far more damaging than a bit less money in the bank is, IMO.

He clearly wanted away and we knew would only sign for one club this making our position weaker than it might have been for a comparable player about whom a bidding war may have erupted. It could and probably should have been sorted out earlier, apart from that I'm not sure what else we could have done.

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The notion that we're a soft touch and nothing more than a stepping stone needs to be fought though as that is, in turn. far more damaging to the club than keeping a disinterested captain and is something that is emblazoned across every paper now (not that it technically matters what papers say but they help form opinion which changes a lot of things over time (take a look at some of the refereeing for Man U))

I do agree that there's often a bit of hypocrisy around the Arsenal blogosphere about claiming the sole focus on money is the route of all evil whilst criticising the club for not getting the most money out of a situation, people being stupid is less of a shocker nowadays though!

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Cesc was desperate to leave because it became clear that this club was on it's way down. If we'd have shown some ambition in the transfer window much earlier then maybe he wouldn't have been so desperate to leave. It's on the club and Wenger. We were stuffed on the price but it doesn't matter because we were never going to buy a huge star player.
Look at the Arteta deal. You think any other club would put up with that insulting first offer and then rub salt in the wound by telling the player to take a wage cut?

Depending on how this season goes, RVP, Verms and Walcott could be out the door next. We can only hope the new signings turn our prospects around. We have weak men running this club. It's not the first time we've bent over for Barca and played the wrong hand. When Wenger sat Cesc down and begged him to stay last season he should have went out and signed players that would have helped our season. He chose the cheap option and now we're paying the price. When we lost to Man U, Wenger knew this squad was broken and morale was at an all time low. We had to go out and sign players otherwise we'd have been finished. About time, but if he'd have done this two seasons ago it may have never come to this.

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Yeah I largely agree with this, Wenger should have shown more ambition in the market prior to Cesc leaving. I agree with you re: Arteta deal and this pretty much backs up what many of us have thought about our moves in the market, we managed to pull it off with Arteta due to his age and club situation but I very much doubt we'd get away with a stunt like that on a player who is a) sort after or b) plying their trade at a club who is equal to us regardless of whether they are domestic based or not.

I've actually come to realisation that I really don't think Wenger cares that too much about retaining star players...if he or the club had any sense they would be tieing down RVP, Verms & Walcott on bumper long term contracts now but somehow I get the impression we're going to be left with another messy summer ahead with aforementioned players & their contract renegotiations.