is there a scenario for wenger to stay?

Who do you think is happy when we lose? And IMO the people who bump old posts critical of Wenger/certain players when we have a good result are more guilty of smugness than the so called doom mongers.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

There you go with that simplistic, devisive and insulting 'lesser fan' rhetoric and then have the nerve to talk about us all being Arsenal fans in your previous post. Hypocrit.

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the problem is, when we win, the match reaction thread will contain about 3 posts, and certain posters are no where to be seen. when we lose the threads are much larger and certain posters appear again.

you can see why people think these certain posters appear to be happy when we lose

Who are these certain posters?

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Originally Posted by Joker

Who are these certain posters?

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i think its fairly obvious who they are

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i think its fairly obvious who they are

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Why even reply for.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

i think its fairly obvious who they are

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Well not really, because the posters I assume you're talking about (myself, Zim, PnG, Wiltord's Winner, gooners) have all posted both in threads after we've won and lost.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

the problem is, when we win, the match reaction thread will contain about 3 posts, and certain posters are no where to be seen. when we lose the threads are much larger and certain posters appear again.

you can see why people think these certain posters appear to be happy when we lose

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Consider the fact that most people like to moan on the Internet but celebrate with their mates after a victory. That's one possibility. Also, there have been too many occasions where people will try to score points with other posters after a victory and that can be a cause of avoiding the thread. I know who you mean and I've seen them around for wins and losses but also seen groups of posters take opportunity to take cheap shots as well.

All sides of the debate have been on this board loud and clear for a while back. While no one likes a smug "I told you so" once realisation has dawned on everyone. Only an absolute revisionist would deny that there have been a set of posters here who took their defence of Wenger to the hieghts of deism. they would brook no counter argument and would descend on such poster with a pack mentality and unremitting ferocity. The lauging emoticon was their weapon of choice.
I muself posted about 3 years ago that our wage structure was killing us and that it borderd on socialism......Cue paroxyms of laughter. Sir Norris would bury anyone who ever mentioned the word within our hallowed walls they said. I once said that Wenger was done after 2004 because he didnt have what it takes to win the big cup....same thing. how dare you criticise a double winning manager. its easy for one side to forget but less so for the others on the recieving end. Its a moot point because no one wants to be right about predicting a train wreck, but the cues have been obvious for years. The optimists rightly in their minds chose to ignore it, but heck, we are where we are. We need to find a graceful exit for Wenger because personally, i dont think he has it in him, i believe, to be self critical and analyse dispassionately whether he is doing the best job possible for this club. The club has for too long been built around him and made in his image. We are where we are because of him and will stay this way as long as he stays. It will be hard for him as I fear he will be unable to feel as comfortable at any other club, but the club has also been good to him and frankly management is a young mans sport. He needs to let someone else lead us in another direction, wherever that may take us.
Peace.

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Those who have been doom-mongering for years now being smug about us being in serious decline now is like two brothers one of whom thinks their mum is just under the weather, the other thinking she has terminal cancer, them finding out the latter was right and him laughing in the former's face and saying "Ha! See? Told ya!"

A little over-dramatic, perhaps, but FFS, we're all supposed to be Arsenal fans here. We're all supposed to want what's best for the club.

Those who thought things were going wrong from 2006 onwards and are now smug are giving themselves a bit too much credit.
When Utd struggled for a few seasons a load of spoilt Utd fans were calling for Fergie's head, they look pretty stupid now. The fact is the last 7 years have not been an abject failure, they've not been a straight decline. There have been better seasons and worse seasons. Those moaning 5 years ago were premature, it's only the last couple of years where the rot has started to seriously set in.

I'm less bothered that I was about Wenger leaving, there's less to lose and it's increasingly looking like it's the only way for the club to move forward but it's not a magic bullet and it will IMO cause more short term pain even if longer term it gets us where we want to be.

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:gp: My sentiments exactly. And I have never seen myself as an AKB. I have always just tried to be rational about what's going on.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

the problem is, when we win, the match reaction thread will contain about 3 posts, and certain posters are no where to be seen. when we lose the threads are much larger and certain posters appear again.

you can see why people think these certain posters appear to be happy when we lose

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I can tell you why though, it's pretty clear that the wins these days paper over the cracks and mean there's no hope of change...which is what many of us want. Rarely am I excited by wins these days, I generally don't find us enjoyable to watch and when we win it gives Wenger all the ammunition to stick to his guns and change nothing (he'd probably do that anyway but it's even more likely then).