To be fair to Bender, I always think that watching the snooker.
I even thought it a couple of times at the Olympics ffs.
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To be fair to Bender, I always think that watching the snooker.
I even thought it a couple of times at the Olympics ffs.
Seen some clips of Costa.
Definitely faster and more agile than Giroud. Looks an absolute unit too.
I'd be happy with him.
Who knows! If you've seen him play, how do you think he'll fit into our system and will be differ from what we've seen before or currently have? I've only seen a few clips and I'm skeptical but want to hear what others have to say who have seen him play.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
*looks up 'credible' inthe Oxford English Zimmtionary*Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
"Something that agrees with whatever I've already decided to be true"
I think he's a complete striker, his strongest site are definitely his ability to find space, he's fast enough to get behind the defenders and strong enough to hold them off, with all our creative midfielders he'll be getting fed all day in good positions, the way we cant do with Giroud. My only worries tho, is that he doesnt give a fuck on the field, he'll dive, he'll get into the refs face, start trouble with whoever, but it seems its getting better this season in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Are we getting his name wrong? Why do you keep calling him Falcoa? Isn't it Falcao? Are we actually speaking about different players.....? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You have kind of ignored Jonas' point about his scoring record actually looking quite good last season and the season before relative to the number of games he played.
Before RvP had his first fully fit season with us, if you'd looked at his season before you'd have seen a decent scoring record. A scoring record is not to be dismissed just because a player didn't play every game that season.
I confess, I haven't comprehensively seen him play or even noticed him until recently but I do think he is an interesting proposition (as I've clearly stated). I suspect acquiring a top class forward is going to be neither cheap or straight forward so I just think we are going to have to show some street savvy to get a player in of that quality. Unless we sign a young player who has that type of potential....in which case he will be a few years off, or we try to sign another Real cast off from a big club, the player is not going to cost less than 30 odd million. Even Higuain's price eventually exceeded 30 million.
I also don't really get the logic in a stop gap. We will be stuck with the stop gap for the foreseeable future and not just till summer. If he is no better than Bendtner, Podolski or Walcott up front, what's the point? If he is a loan signing, he probably won't have the type of quality we are all really hoping for....or may be way beyond his best ala Henry (much as I love him).
What kind of stop gap is significantly better than Bendtner, available and not going to cost us a significant amount of money?
Ironically, part of the reason that Julio 'The Beast' Baptista (Costa reference/comparison in my head) didn't work out was the fact that he was actually more concerned with pulling off individual pieces of skill than actually......beasting past people and scoring. So I do find it quite ironically that we would be overly concerned about Costa's apparent lack of technical ability.
Well no, but having quotes that actually say he's better would be a start (preferably from people without specific agenda's).Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters To Santa
JonasTC said people said he's better than Falcoa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
It's not bad yes, one in every 2 or so, but I saw him a number of times last season and wasn't really that impressed to be honest.
Before last season his record was poor as well. RVP was different, like Torres and Aguero he has much more to his game, his ability was there to see at 20, not the case with Costa.
I'd say he didn't work out because he not very good in the the end, he's not done anything of note since those goals, his finishing is very average, but he was unproven as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
That's similar to what I've read about him. The complete forward. But I have my doubts. I haven't seen many goals where he's fashioned out his own chance on goal besides one. He really reminds me of Ade. He looks strong and a handful but I wonder what he'd be like when space is limited and we're struggling to open teams. Doesn't seem like the sort of guy that will unleash a wonder shot or great and inch of space for himself to get that pin point accurate goal. Maybe I haven't seen enough of him. They say his movement is great, he works the channels and bullies defenders. That sounds promising.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonasTC
And that's my worry. Like Ade and Baptista, this could be a great run of form. Time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
That's the reason I have my reservations too, yes he's scoring at the moment but his career record doesn't show a guy with a great scoring record, that doesn't mean he won't keep scoring but it means he's a big risk, unlike someone like Falcoa who has scored goals for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Spot on, I agree with you, he doesn't seem to be the kind of player who is going to score a goal out of nothing when you're struggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I don't really get that last line unless you are referring to RvP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
So Costa had 1 in 2 in the previous 2 seasons and now he has 1 in every 1. So your argument can only be a qualitative one. Any marginalising of his scoring record is quite silly. But if you watch him and don't think he's all that then fair enough.
However regardless of that, IF (and of course it is a big IF) a player scores a goal in every game for you then he is absolutely worth his weight in goal. It's not all about goals , but they are what tend to win you games and particularly important in tight games.
All I'll say is, it does seem to be easier to score goals in Spain. There's a long list of players who've struggled here, but flourished over there.
I haven't seen enough of this Costa fella to pass judgement.
Out of interest, who do you think we should be going for Ozim?
The last line was just a response to your comment about RVP's goal record, I know it wasn't great (but he had a lot of injuries), however his ability could never be called into question, he always had sublime skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
That's not quite right, last season he got 20 in 44 and the season before 9 in 16 (that can't be considered a full season), so although 1 in 2 does apply it's not really 1 in 2 for 2 full seasons. Yes his record is good this season, but I base my opinion on what I've seen of him, I wasn't impressed with him last season and although he's scored a fair few this season I'm still not totally convinced.
He's scored goals for a couple of season in all, before that he didn't score many and I personally don't think he's a player that will win you tight games as he relies on service, if there's no service to him he won't get you a goal unlike the best forwards.
He might turn out to score a hatful from now on, I'm just saying I'm not sure he will based on what I've seen of him and for that reason I think he's a big risk (I could be wrong of course).
I don't really see anyone available in January to be honest, if you want top players the summer is the time to get them. Realistically we may have to pay more for a top forward, but 32 million is a hell of a lot for a player who is gamble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Maybe we missed the boat last summer when numerous top forwards were available, not sure who we can get now.
I wasn't asking you about Costa. Again.
Let me phrase it another way then. Who would you have us target in the summer?
My point about RvP's goal record was that it was good enough to suggest he would push on from then. I didn't mention it to suggest he was no good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
It doesn't matter if they were full seasons or not. The fact is, his goal to game ratio (which is as reflective a stat as any), however you want to spin it was 1 in 2 for 2 years and is now 1 in 1. That is a decent ratio over a considerable amount of games and counting now....
It can be argued it is actually harder to have 1 in 2 over an injury hit season because you don't necessarily get a run in the side.
Having said that, it is my view that he would be a reasonable gamble to take. You're welcome to conclude of your own devices that the gamble is too great and wouldn't try to convince you otherwise considering.
But I am curious to know who you actually think we should be chasing as a forward to slay all before him on the world stage.
I don't know, I'm not sure there's anyone available unless we pay megabucks, most of them moved last summer, we'll have to see after the World Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Cavani, Falcoa, Lewandowski, Benzema, Higuain are the obvious choices (not sure any will be available) but perhaps we should look at Rossi or El Shaarawi.
Who's available? There's this little thing called bidding for a player and persuading them to come.
You won't know until you try.
And this rubbish that people won't move because it's a world cup year, load of tosh. Give them the money and they'll be on the first flight to London.
If we weren't linked with Costa, would you even know who he is or care? It's always hard asking fans that question unless you're watching different league 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Actually PG yes. I'll be pedantic and assume you want to now why, lol.
He is the top scorer in Spain (I know I have said it a dozen times now)...... At the mid way point in a season that tends to get recognition. Whenever a players scoring is on par with Messi or Cronaldo a big deal is made of it. Secondly I heard the Spanish correspondent on football weekly with James Richardson waxing lyrical about him and explaining that he was on the same amount of goals roughly as Cronaldo but has taken less pens. That was a few weeks ago. He has also drawn attention because of the fact that not only is he the top scorer, but his team are level with Barca and are playing exceptionally well. Moreover, if you want another reason, Spain have been trying very hard to nationalise him and 5 finger discount him away from Brazil. Suffice to say he has attracted more attention than the usual run of the mill newspaper gossip column snippet in which journo's are as much stabbing in the dark as they are reporting genuine links.
I hadn't actually even realised we were linked with him at all until I read it on this thread. I was kind of just hoping he would be somebody Wenger was looking at behind the scenes and then suddenly we are linked with him in the papers who have begun to make a big deal of it.
If someone has strong objections about why we might not sign a player, isn't it reasonable to ask who they think we should actually be going for? After all, the player in question in doubt, is not a premiership player so it takes seeing foreign football to see him anyway.
I'm not one of those people who expect fans to have the knowledge of scouts as if it were their job, but the fact is we are low on options and Costa is at the very least an interesting idea in theory, which I suspect is why it's being debated at length. That is hard to deny.
If Costa genuinely is another Adebayor then fair enough. I wouldn't want to spend £10m on him let alone £30m. But I wonder if people are being too picky just because he's not as flashy as Suarez or Aguero. We missed the boat on Suarez (if there ever was a boat) and players of that quality down grow on trees. The best forwards in the world are already taken and as Blink said, the only chance we have of getting one is if we go for a younger player, but then we'd be in the same old position of having to wait for him to step up. We have players in their prime now that don't have the time to waste waiting for that.
Even if Costa's not as good as those names technically it doesn't mean he cant slot into our system perfectly and become the goal machine our squad needs. He's at the prime age so he has the balance of experience, hunger and time. £32m could be a bargain over 5 or 6 years.
We have a solid base to build on now. We have the best CB partnership we've had for a decade, an up and coming goalkeeper who's finally coming good. A CM that can rival any and Mesut fucking Ozil. With the right signings there is no reason why we can't challenge for trophies.
shame there isn't a way for us to get lukaku, could do with running down his contract as mourinho doesn't seem happy with him. he has done the biz at west brom and now everton. would fit into our system as well. any striker we sign looks like would have to fit into our system as it doesn't appear we will play with both giroud and any new guy up front unless we are chasing the game and panicking.
never seen costa play but then again not seen most of the players we are linked with play. it seems there are a lot of people who have plenty of spare time to watch other leagues to build up a dossier of any player we are linked with.
2 more goals this evening.
Costa :lol:
Awful Starbucks
I'd take Adebayor back..
:run:
Those comparing him to Adebayor haven't a clue.
Admittedly I haven't seen him shit loads, but from what I have seen, it's clear he's more explosive. Similar to Aguero rather than Adebayor.
Just because he's a unit some people think he isn't agile. That's far from the case. Maybe if he was 4 inches shorter people would be drooling to get him. Well he's the next big thing so we should deffo give it a go.
Two more to his tally after today's encounter....
Zimm. :haha:
He's nothing like Aguero to be honest, Aguero is a bag of tricks, Costa isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
What's funny? :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa's Big Sack.........of Gifts
I said he's more similar to Aguero than Adebayor, which he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
He has pace. He's explosive.
Thats actually were he'll shine for us, most of his goals comes from inside the box, where he pushes off a defender and finds space in tight situations. We dont need a guy who can make beautiful goals, dribbles 3 guys and puts it in the corner, we just need a guy who can find space in tight situations for our bunch of creative midfielders to feed him with awesome passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
If i was to compare him to anyone i'd say Drogba.Very similar type of goals he scores and the way he pushes people about.
I think the Ade comparison is a little lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Red Ribbon
I also think Aguero's skill level (or at least content) is very often exaggerated because of some perceived pigeon hole classification that he is small and tricky. He is certainly small, and powerful. In other words he has strength and speed which he uses to exceptional effect. When one marries that to continual/perpetual intelligent movement, you begin to understand how he is a handful. But he doesn't use a huge array of ball skills or tricks in my opinion. His game is often either more subtle than that and way more direct.
In his early career, Aguero was compared to Maradonna a fair amount and I suppose to some extent it is inevitable.... but the real uncanny semblance is between Maradonna and Messi. I suspect if Messi did not exist Aguero's comparisons to Maradonna would have simmered a lot less through his career.
I agree and I cannot get away from the feeling that if Costa was 4 inches smaller, many would perceive him far more favourably.
That takes Costa to almost 20 league goals half way through the season. That puts him into Suarez territory goals wise, although the latter has done it in 6 less games!
Despite the fact I can't stand the bloke and didn't actually want him I stated quite regularly through the summer that the impact of Suarez was understated by many and had we signed him it would have made us title contenders in a single signing (it was before we had confirmed anybody). It's a crying shame we have had a forward of this quality at the club until recent times.