The next manager..

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Originally Posted by Özim

Not a lot but then what have we heard about Arteta, at least Henry will have instant respect. That was my point though, if we're going to pick a player with no management experience would prefer it to be someone I like and who was a great, Arteta doesn't fit into either for me, wasn't a great and didn't like him much as a player, he typifies Wengers' weakest period of management.

Arteta would be the most disappointing appointment for me, nothing about him appeals, I don't much care what his friends say either, because they're bound to be complimentary, if he gets the job we'll see what happens but this appointment is potentially a disaster because the guy won't get long to prove he knows what he's doing IMO, if it's not happening after half a season people will probably say we were mad to take him on and we need to replace him (as happens at most clubs), unknowns like him don't get the same period of grace as the bigger names who have proved themselves.

Gazidis may indeed like him, but to be fair he's been here for a long time now and until recently hasn't done a huge amount of good so I'm not personally ready to trust him 100% with his decisions, especially given some of the things he's come out with over the years.

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Have you been reading anything else around Arteta?

Not to shit on Henry, but he was captain of Arsenal too and he wasn't a good captain at all. He came across as someone that was overbearing and couldn’t get his ideas across to the team. He’s was never cut out to be captain.

Arteta was captain at Everton, all the reports say he’s got a great tactical mind and thinks like a manager. That’s during his playing days and before he retired. Henry has already expressed how difficult it is to transmit ideas to players as a manager and he’s easing himself into the role.

You have to do some of your own research on this one, Zim. Look up some of the stories about Arteta. Feel free to disagree after that but you can’t be silly enough to vouch for someone like Henry who we know a lot less about and isn’t as focused on becoming a manager as Arteta.

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Originally Posted by Goonermerree

If he does well, yes, if he fails miserably it could be hard for him.

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If this goes well it would be the making of him and that outweighs the prospect of failing and going back to being a number 2. A career in coaching/management can be twice as long as a playing career, he will get other opportunities but none as great as this.

You don't anywhere in life without taking risks.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

If this goes well it would be the making of him and that outweighs the prospect of failing and going back to being a number 2. A career in coaching/management can be twice as long as a playing career, he will get other opportunities but none as great as this.

You don't anywhere in life without taking risks.

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We'll see in May 2019, if he is appointed.

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Originally Posted by Goonermerree

We'll see in May 2019, if he is appointed.

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If he flopped it would suck for us, sure. It's not going to ruin a 36 year old at the start of his career in coaching though. So that's why I don't see why he'd be mad to take the role.

We're looking for a lot more in a manager than how he performed as a player for the club. We really don't know too much about how individuals were perceived behind the scenes and what input they had. Merts hasn't shown up for 2 seasons as a player, but apparently he was important off the pitch. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. We don't know. Personalities are important too. I'm not so sure Henry would make a great manager on that basis. He's shown in the past he has very little patience when things aren't going right.

Conte is still my top choice. I just have a gut feeling about him. Jardim would be next, because he's shown the flexibility both attacking and defensive that will be required to put our rather wrecked squad back on track. But if we have to have a young, inexperienced manager I'd take Arteta over Henry and Vieira, because Arteta has been positioned best to pick up directly relevant experience as a coach in a winning environment. The other two were much better players, of course.

I also like the idea of Alonso as a number 2. He should have been an Arsenal man a long time ago but Wenger penny pinched. What a great pro though, another guy who has seen it all at the top level.

PnG is right. We are in a low risk, potentially high reward situation here. And the beauty, if it doesn't work out we aren't left worried about sacking some permanent fixture that built the stadium with his bare hands and was the first man on the moon. If it doesn't work, boot him and bring in somebody else. Where were we going under Wenger? Nowhere, faster and faster. Another season going nowhere is what we had in store anyway, but at least now there's the possibility of something different.

Let's give Arteta a go and see how it works out. I have a suspicion things are going to be better than expected. Not miraculous, not instant magic, but better than slowly fading into mid table mediocrity and certainly more entertaining for the fans.

I've wondered about Conte too.

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Originally Posted by Goonermerree

I've wondered about Conte too.

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Ivan et al will never take Conte - after Wenger they're looking for someone they can control, and after Conte's arguments with the Chelski heirarchy, that man is not Conte, whether any of us want him or not

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We're looking for a lot more in a manager than how he performed as a player for the club. We really don't know too much about how individuals were perceived behind the scenes and what input they had. Merts hasn't shown up for 2 seasons as a player, but apparently he was important off the pitch. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. We don't know. Personalities are important too. I'm not so sure Henry would make a great manager on that basis. He's shown in the past he has very little patience when things aren't going right.

Conte is still my top choice. I just have a gut feeling about him. Jardim would be next, because he's shown the flexibility both attacking and defensive that will be required to put our rather wrecked squad back on track. But if we have to have a young, inexperienced manager I'd take Arteta over Henry and Vieira, because Arteta has been positioned best to pick up directly relevant experience as a coach in a winning environment. The other two were much better players, of course.

I also like the idea of Alonso as a number 2. He should have been an Arsenal man a long time ago but Wenger penny pinched. What a great pro though, another guy who has seen it all at the top level.

PnG is right. We are in a low risk, potentially high reward situation here. And the beauty, if it doesn't work out we aren't left worried about sacking some permanent fixture that built the stadium with his bare hands and was the first man on the moon. If it doesn't work, boot him and bring in somebody else. Where were we going under Wenger? Nowhere, faster and faster. Another season going nowhere is what we had in store anyway, but at least now there's the possibility of something different.

Let's give Arteta a go and see how it works out. I have a suspicion things are going to be better than expected. Not miraculous, not instant magic, but better than slowly fading into mid table mediocrity and certainly more entertaining for the fans.

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I remember hearing really early on that Arteta and Merts were influential in the dressing room. This was within the first 6 months to year of them joining. We may have missed that on the pitch and results but who knows what the players were able to get away with during training and in the dressing room. It’s no coincidence that they’re gone on to coaching roles straight after retirement.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

I remember hearing really early on that Arteta and Merts were influential in the dressing room. This was within the first 6 months to year of them joining. We may have missed that on the pitch and results but who knows what the players were able to get away with during training and in the dressing room. It’s no coincidence that they’re gone on to coaching roles straight after retirement.

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I don't get it to be honest, if they are influential in the dressing room why wouldn't it translate to the pitch, surely that's the whole point or they have in reality no influence at all, unless they were referring to boot cleaning or something.

As for Mertesacker, yes I remember him saying something after we'd lost to Bayern 5-1 in the 1st leg in the CL, he rallied the troops, we then lost the 2nd leg 5-1 as well. Wasn't impressed. Personally don't really want anyone from the "losers" era at Arsenal, all these guys did is bottle it and lose time and time again without any real fight or stomach for the fight, none of them were really winners.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Ivan et al will never take Conte - after Wenger they're looking for someone they can control, and after Conte's arguments with the Chelski heirarchy, that man is not Conte, whether any of us want him or not

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Everyone falls out with the owner at Chelsea. I wouldn't hold it against Conte. What's the fallout over?

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Have you been reading anything else around Arteta?

Not to shit on Henry, but he was captain of Arsenal too and he wasn't a good captain at all. He came across as someone that was overbearing and couldn’t get his ideas across to the team. He’s was never cut out to be captain.

Arteta was captain at Everton, all the reports say he’s got a great tactical mind and thinks like a manager. That’s during his playing days and before he retired. Henry has already expressed how difficult it is to transmit ideas to players as a manager and he’s easing himself into the role.

You have to do some of your own research on this one, Zim. Look up some of the stories about Arteta. Feel free to disagree after that but you can’t be silly enough to vouch for someone like Henry who we know a lot less about and isn’t as focused on becoming a manager as Arteta.

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Arteta was captain too, probably one of the worst ones as well, whilst he was in charge we were really poor, with little fight and were bottlers on the pitch, never saw him make an ounce of difference, seemed to have no authority to me, which makes sense because Wenger openly admitted the captaincy is overrated and pretty meaningless.

The people vouching for Arteta seem to be his friends, why wouldn't they, I've alreayd said the value of numbers 2s is minimal, Guardiola was successful way before Arteta appeared, he doesn't need a number 2 to win that's clear, he wins as long as he has money or is at the most successful club.

Likewise Mclaren and Queiroz, Ferguson raved about them, when they got into management they flopped big time, words are cheap to be honest and Arteta has shown nothing to suggest he'd make a good manager to me, no authority when he was with us and no experience at management level, guys like him don't get jobs at top clubs as a 1st job, greats do, like Zidane etc, but that's because they have instant respect from their achievements in the game (tho at least he'd managed Barca B), Vieira has more experience at least as he's doing a very good job in the MLS so at least he has something on his CV.

My preference for Henry is the fact he was a great, Arteta and Henry have no experience, but one will at least be respected by the players who know how good he was, Arteta was nothing more than a journeyman who wasn't much good with us.

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Originally Posted by Özim

I don't get it to be honest, if they are influential in the dressing room why wouldn't it translate to the pitch, surely that's the whole point or they have in reality no influence at all, unless they were referring to boot cleaning or something.

As for Mertesacker, yes I remember him saying something after we'd lost to Bayern 5-1 in the 1st leg in the CL, he rallied the troops, we then lost the 2nd leg 5-1 as well. Wasn't impressed. Personally don't really want anyone from the "losers" era at Arsenal, all these guys did is bottle it and lose time and time again without any real fight or stomach for the fight, none of them were really winners.

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Would you like to do the same with Theirry Henry's time as captain? What influence did he have?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We're looking for a lot more in a manager than how he performed as a player for the club. We really don't know too much about how individuals were perceived behind the scenes and what input they had. Merts hasn't shown up for 2 seasons as a player, but apparently he was important off the pitch. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. We don't know. Personalities are important too. I'm not so sure Henry would make a great manager on that basis. He's shown in the past he has very little patience when things aren't going right.

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Does that matter? If their influence doesn't translate to the pitch, it's pretty pointless, you heard all these things at Arsenal, players speaking out, backing Wenger, telling us how they've got to prove themselves in the return leg, all that ever happened was another beating, all words with no substance, IMO that era of Arsenal is one to forget, there's nothing we should be taking from that and using, it's a time we just need to forget and move on from because it was a disaster on and off the pitch.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Would you like to do the same with Theirry Henry's time as captain? What influence did he have?

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He made things happen on the pitch, maybe not a great captain but at least he was a winner, what was Arteta?

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Originally Posted by Özim

He made things happen on the pitch, maybe not a great captain but at least he was a winner, what was Arteta?

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As a player he was a winner. What was his influence as a captain. What did we win? Do a comparison.

My worry here, is that we seem to be thinking along the lines that getting Arteta in is an 'ok idea' or is somehow acceptable....???

We are supposed to be a top club, even Everton, West ham, etc, would be looking for an established manager of some sort. When the proper names were first being mentioned, Allegri, Jardim, Tuchel, Low, Enrique - I thought, ok, at least we are looking in the right areas and it is no less than we should expect to turn things around and take us back to the top.

But I just don't understand this train of thought that someone with no experience or ex players (Legends) is acceptable as an option to replace the manager :shrug:

It's exactly akin to '4th place is like a trophy' or that train of thought.

Just not good enough for me :sulk:

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

As a player he was a winner. What was his influence as a captain. What did we win? Do a comparison.

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On the pitch he won a lot, he was part of our most succesful team under Wenger, personally don't think a striker should be captain as they are ahead of the play, but in terms of his performances he was a leader.

What influence did Arteta have as captain, all I saw is us losing every big game and never having any fight, this alleged off the field influence is all very good but where is the evidence, where is the proof they did, where are the reversal of results or half time talks prompting a comeback. This era of Arsenal was all mouth and no trousers, nothing ever backed up their words, words are cheap as they say.

I take what we hear about Arteta with a pinch of salt, most of it comes from people who openly acknowledge they are his friends, they aren't exactly going to discredit him.

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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang

My worry here, is that we seem to be thinking along the lines that getting Arteta in is an 'ok idea' or is somehow acceptable....???

We are supposed to be a top club, even Everton, West ham, etc, would be looking for an established manager of some sort. When the proper names were first being mentioned, Allegri, Jardim, Tuchel, Low, Enrique - I thought, ok, at least we are looking in the right areas and it is no less than we should expect to turn things around and take us back to the top.

But I just don't understand this train of thought that someone with no experience or ex players (Legends) is acceptable as an option to replace the manager :shrug:

It's exactly akin to '4th place is like a trophy' or that train of thought.

Just not good enough for me :sulk:

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No I don't get it either, its the equivalent of Wenger trying to find the next gem, now we seem to be doing it with managers, what we need is a guy with a proven record who has the authority required to make the changes happen and who isn't scared to ruffle a few feathers and dismantle this awful squad and start again (other than in attack) and a guy not scared to sign up top players and handle them correctly.

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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang

we seem to be thinking along the lines that getting Arteta in is an 'ok idea' or is somehow acceptable....???:

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not me pal

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Originally Posted by Özim

On the pitch he won a lot, he was part of our most succesful team under Wenger, personally don't think a striker should be captain as they are ahead of the play, but in terms of his performances he was a leader.

What influence did Arteta have as captain, all I saw is us losing every big game and never having any fight, this alleged off the field influence is all very good but where is the evidence, where is the proof they did, where are the reversal of results or half time talks prompting a comeback. This era of Arsenal was all mouth and no trousers, nothing ever backed up their words, words are cheap as they say.

I take what we hear about Arteta with a pinch of salt, most of it comes from people who openly acknowledge they are his friends, they aren't exactly going to discredit him.

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You do know a great players doesn't always transition into a great manager?

I get the skepticism on Arteta but you lose the argument when you suggest Henry is a better candidate. He has less experience as a coach, he spends more time talking as pundit than actually coaching players. How is that sensible?

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

You do know a great players doesn't always transition into a great manager?

I get the skepticism on Arteta but you lose the argument when you suggest Henry is a better candidate. He has less experience as a coach, he spends more time talking as pundit than actually coaching players. How is that sensible?

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Yes I do, but muy point is a great player at least will get more leeway as he'll get respect from the off, not sure Arteta will get much of that based on his playing career. I just think considering neither has any management experience a former great maybe has the advantage.

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Originally Posted by Özim

No I don't get it either, its the equivalent of Wenger trying to find the next gem, now we seem to be doing it with managers, what we need is a guy with a proven record who has the authority required to make the changes happen and who isn't scared to ruffle a few feathers and dismantle this awful squad and start again (other than in attack) and a guy not scared to sign up top players and handle them correctly.

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we aren't going to have the £ to start again.. as that's expensive. I am sure Arteta wont be scared to sign top players but would a top player come to us for Europa league football instead of CL football. Do we need 11 top players. No. We need a few top players, we have one in Auba. ozil can be good and ramsey.

Realistically how much higher in the league can we go. 4th place. Maybe with Arteta they are looking for a smoother transition by appointing someone who knows the club but wont made ridiculous demands for players, money etc. Just trying to think behind the logic.

Although I wouldn't say its low risk but high reward, as we could get worse. Ozil and Auba could look at the new manager and thing nahhhh. We sign journeymen players and those two think there isn't long on their careers to waste waiting to see if Arteta can take us forward.

If it is Arteta then there is nothing I can do about it. so be it and we will see how it goes. I quite like Europa league myself, more interesting than the CL first round knock out.

For me, the appointment of the first team coach should purely come down to the ideas, innovation, analysis and level of effective communication they offer - everything else should be provided by the club.

Scouting and player recruitment? Club.

Contracts? Club.

Fitness and conditioning? Club.

Basic training, technical standards, discipline and mentality? Club.

Things like organising a defence properly, implementing a high-press, being able to control the ball under pressure and pass quickly and accurately with both feet... why are we waiting for the right first team coach to come along to sort these things out for us? As far as I'm concerned, these are all things that we should be drilling into our players at club level as part of the footballing identity of AFC. Ever-present standards, not things that come and go with whoever happens to be in charge of the first team at any given moment.

The first team coach should be there to prepare the first team for matches and make the big decisions in real-time on match days. They should have enough free rein to put their own, unique stamp on the side through things like shape and formation, tactics, player selection and player responsibilities (i.e. the role they're given), but beyond that they shouldn't be burdened with any other responsibilities.

This is what I'm hoping the club is working towards, anyway. We've made a promising start with Sven and Raul and the mass culling of our ineffective coaching team - now we need to go about hiring best-in-class replacements for all of those guys who have gone. I'm almost as excited about this side of what's going on as I am about who we might bring in to work with the first team - if we get it right, then the task of finding first team coaches is going to be considerably easier going forward, and we're going to have a much larger pool of candidates to choose from.

Also typically Arsenal that even with Wenger leaving.... people are still complaining and moaning. we should be positive and embrace the future until at least we lose our first home game against West Ham or something!!!

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Originally Posted by Özim

Wenger has just backed him:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44150823

That's enough to convince me he shoudn't get the job :run:

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yeah it's Fergushite and Moyes all over again - Wenger backing backing someone he knows will look a failure compared to him - so he's obviously convinced Arteta will have us finishing 7th or lower...

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Originally Posted by Özim

Yes I do, but muy point is a great player at least will get more leeway as he'll get respect from the off, not sure Arteta will get much of that based on his playing career. I just think considering neither has any management experience a former great maybe has the advantage.

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How does Henry have the advantage when he’s the sort of player that can produce a solo effort to change the game? What if he doesn’t have players with that sort of mentality, physical or technical ability? What’s his reference point when a player feels he can’t live up to the legendary Thierry Henry? I don’t think it’s that easy to translate how he’d react and he’d see as player to the players he’s coaching. He’s said it himself. Look it up. Respect goes out of the window quickly if you can’t find the tactical solution. Then trying to deal with players as individuals to thinking as a collective and getting them to gel and be cohesive is another level.

Besides being Captain, Arteta has shadowed a great coach and has been with Pep at City from the start. He’s seen the highs and lows and at least has a reference point on how to tackle certain problems. That doesn’t mean he’ll be able to apply what he has learnt successfully but it’s a lot more than someone trying to live off past experiences.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

Hypothetical scenario - If the year were 2009, weÂ’ve just sacked Wenger, done the backroom staff changes and Pep Guardiola was still the Barca B team manager but the lead candidate to take over at Arsenal weÂ’d all be sceptical. Especially if Roberto Mancini has just won his third title Serie A at Inter and Luis Van Gaal has won the Bundesliga with Bayern along with the cup! Heck, around this time, Klopp would have just started at Dortmund and wouldnÂ’t even be considered over these two.

I canÂ’t fault the club for trying to nab someone with massive potential as soon as possible. If we get it wrong, we get it wrong. ItÂ’s a low risk, high reward scenario.

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That is an excellent way of looking at it. I do understand how people feel though. We persevered with a manager who had long since passed his prime. I believe that if it does not work with Arteta, the situation won’t be replicated as some fear. Wenger had a powerbase and a route to the owner that Arteta - and any other manager is not going to have.

I think if they take the leap with Arteta, they will be monitoring and acting very quickly on any situation that develops.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Arteta was captain too, probably one of the worst ones as well, whilst he was in charge we were really poor, with little fight and were bottlers on the pitch, never saw him make an ounce of difference, seemed to have no authority to me, which makes sense because Wenger openly admitted the captaincy is overrated and pretty meaningless.

The people vouching for Arteta seem to be his friends, why wouldn't they, I've alreayd said the value of numbers 2s is minimal, Guardiola was successful way before Arteta appeared, he doesn't need a number 2 to win that's clear, he wins as long as he has money or is at the most successful club.

Likewise Mclaren and Queiroz, Ferguson raved about them, when they got into management they flopped big time, words are cheap to be honest and Arteta has shown nothing to suggest he'd make a good manager to me, no authority when he was with us and no experience at management level, guys like him don't get jobs at top clubs as a 1st job, greats do, like Zidane etc, but that's because they have instant respect from their achievements in the game (tho at least he'd managed Barca B), Vieira has more experience at least as he's doing a very good job in the MLS so at least he has something on his CV.

My preference for Henry is the fact he was a great, Arteta and Henry have no experience, but one will at least be respected by the players who know how good he was, Arteta was nothing more than a journeyman who wasn't much good with us.

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I don’t think you know what “journeyman” means.

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Originally Posted by Aubameyang's Wang

My worry here, is that we seem to be thinking along the lines that getting Arteta in is an 'ok idea' or is somehow acceptable....???

We are supposed to be a top club, even Everton, West ham, etc, would be looking for an established manager of some sort. When the proper names were first being mentioned, Allegri, Jardim, Tuchel, Low, Enrique - I thought, ok, at least we are looking in the right areas and it is no less than we should expect to turn things around and take us back to the top.

But I just don't understand this train of thought that someone with no experience or ex players (Legends) is acceptable as an option to replace the manager :shrug:

It's exactly akin to '4th place is like a trophy' or that train of thought.

Just not good enough for me :sulk:

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It seems to me we don't have a manager's position any more. We're looking for a coach. A fractional role compared to Wenger's all encompassing mandate. The management role is split between 3 people now. I like the idea we're doing exactly the opposite of what Wenger preferred. Depending on how limited the new role is it may have deterred the likes of Allegri who might want a bigger say. Guesswork, but that's the way it looks from the little we know.

Alledgedly Colin Lewin was given the boot at the behest of Arteta, who blames him for his injury troubled final years with us. :haha:

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Alledgedly Gary Lewin was given the boot at the behest of Arteta, who blames him for his injury troubled final years with us. :haha:

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We must have a serious leaker at the club. Or else the media is pulling shit out of their holes and spreading it across paper. I wonder which it is?

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I don’t think you know what “journeyman” means.

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I know what it is, but I thought it was fitting to be honest, I know he didnt move to lots of clubs but my point was more that he was kinda average, didn't stand out in any particular way a middle of the road player.

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Originally Posted by Power n Glory

How does Henry have the advantage when he’s the sort of player that can produce a solo effort to change the game? What if he doesn’t have players with that sort of mentality, physical or technical ability? What’s his reference point when a player feels he can’t live up to the legendary Thierry Henry? I don’t think it’s that easy to translate how he’d react and he’d see as player to the players he’s coaching. He’s said it himself. Look it up. Respect goes out of the window quickly if you can’t find the tactical solution. Then trying to deal with players as individuals to thinking as a collective and getting them to gel and be cohesive is another level.

Besides being Captain, Arteta has shadowed a great coach and has been with Pep at City from the start. He’s seen the highs and lows and at least has a reference point on how to tackle certain problems. That doesn’t mean he’ll be able to apply what he has learnt successfully but it’s a lot more than someone trying to live off past experiences.

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He has the advantage because he's respected, players will look up to him, they won't with Arteta, in football terms he was a relative nobody. There's no way of telling if it would work or not, I just think having respect from those you manage and having people looking up to you and listening to you help.

Like I said Guardiola won at Barca, Bayern and now City, Arteta wasn't with him before City so he clearly doesn't need a specific number 2, Artetas' impact is overstated, as it the impact of any number 2 IMO, it''s the manager that makes things happen. As a side issue, since I don't like the way Guardiola does stuff and think he's somewhat overrated seeing as he's always managed the biggest clubs who already were successful or clubs with money, he does a good job in those situations, would be more interested to see how he would do at a club who haven't had success recently.

Valid enough point regarding Pep. If Ivan and the gang are hoping Arteta comes here and applies what he learned in gypoland then they might need to get the chequebook out and buy extra ink. Pep has never managed a club like ours before. A club that doesn't have every financial advantage in the book. So if Arteta is coming in, hopefully Pep taught him a bit more than just how to buy his way out of every problem.

Whatever happens, what joy that various possibilities exist. Rather than the horror of the absolute certainty that accompanied every Wenger inspired season.

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Originally Posted by Özim

He has the advantage because he's respected, players will look up to him, they won't with Arteta, in football terms he was a relative nobody. There's no way of telling if it would work or not, I just think having respect from those you manage and having people looking up to you and listening to you help.

Like I said Guardiola won at Barca, Bayern and now City, Arteta wasn't with him before City so he clearly doesn't need a specific number 2, Artetas' impact is overstated, as it the impact of any number 2 IMO, it''s the manager that makes things happen. As a side issue, since I don't like the way Guardiola does stuff and think he's somewhat overrated seeing as he's always managed the biggest clubs who already were successful or clubs with money, he does a good job in those situations, would be more interested to see how he would do at a club who haven't had success recently.

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A reputation from afar only last so long. You know the saying about when people finally meet their idols. If Henry has no idea how to overcome certain tactics or how to get the best out of his squad, respect goes out the window.

It doesn't work like how you say. You still have to prove yourself because you will be tested. If what you were saying were true about great players, Maradona should have been up there as one of the best managers in football. I'm sure on first arrival he was worshipped with many young Argentine players eager to impress, wide eyed, devoted to listen to what he says. Six months later, I wouldn’t be surpised if the disrespect kicked in from those same optimistic players, now thinking, 'this coke head has no idea what he's doing'.

If Henry were to be considered for the role, I'd hope we'd be going off a lot more than his rep as player.

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Originally Posted by Özim

Who knows, Henry played in a counter attacking team, so there's just as much chance he'd play that style instead.

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I'm thinking with him being an assistant to Roberto Martinez also.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It seems to me we don't have a manager's position any more. We're looking for a coach. A fractional role compared to Wenger's all encompassing mandate. The management role is split between 3 people now. I like the idea we're doing exactly the opposite of what Wenger preferred. Depending on how limited the new role is it may have deterred the likes of Allegri who might want a bigger say. Guesswork, but that's the way it looks from the little we know.

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Yep, I think the same.

Which is why I have no real problem with ‘Tets.

If he doesn’t come up to scratch, the structure behind him is still in place. They’re after a coach/tactician/mentor

Also, are we really going to take a punt? Really? There is BIG money at stake for these cunts that run our club. If their choice hasn’t been been put through the equivilant of a CBR check, then they don’t give a fuck about their cash one bit.

Unless there’s a huge u-turn in the coming days, it does seem like Micky Tets is as good as done.

The baldie is not for turning.

Guys it's this simple: Arteta has NEVER been the manager of ANY football club EVER

That means it's a big fat NO

I can't believe some people on here were casting doubt on Tuchel etc because somehow they hadn't done things well enough or proved this or that when they did win things

And we are on the verge of having a person who has NEVER managed any football club EVER

Can't you see there's a problem here?