Wenger's legacy - has it held us back

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03-12-2012, 08:53 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by GB.

If the squad is good but not deliverieng - that is down to Wenger.

If the squad is poor - that is down to Wenger.

Over such a long period it's really hard to conclude anything else. These type of performances and bad streaks have become all to common. It gets to the point where you can't keeping focussing on weak individual players like Denilson, Djouoru, Senderos, Bendy, Hoyte...those players are now gone and we're seeing the same lacklustre stuff from experienced players now.
03-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by Happy GHELmas

Poor squad or not, when there's precious little life in any of the performances we see you have to wonder whether the manager has lost the dressing room. Players stabbing him in the back every year should suggest Wenger does not carry the sort of aurora he used to.

Pretty much, too many players calling the shots off the field and not doing enough on it. Tv 5 looks like He don't know what is happening. Our vice captain seems to be trying his best to lif this lot but to no avail.

Then you get players like Theo who demand all this money, then perform like they did against Swansea. Wenger has fucked up big time, but that does not give these players an excuse to under perform.
03-12-2012, 08:56 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No he is not. Id want none of them. All Roman has done, had made his club into a circus and all Stan has done has made this club into a business.

He'd be better of saying he wanted Usmanov then Roman.

A circus, debatable but even if that is true Chelsea fans have seen unparalled success under him, winning the biggest trophies and seeing the best players at the club.

What have we seen? I'll tell you, sales of our best players, cheap replacements, the highest ticket prices, a manager who can do whatever he likes with no repercussions and not even a tin pot trophy to collect our tears in.

Would Chelsea swap the last 7 years with ours, I think not, as I said they've even won the CL which we've never managed which in theory elevates them above us in Europe.
03-12-2012, 08:58 PM
Cripps_orig

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Originally Posted by Fats

Wenger is fucked in the head.I said 5 seasons ago that we will never win anything under him again. I thought his projects were brainless and self indulgent.He has failed and has to move on.Simples

I hate it when Fats is proved right :(
03-12-2012, 08:59 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

A circus, debatable but even if that is true Chelsea fans have seen unparalled success under him, winning the biggest trophies and seeing the best players at the club.

What have we seen? I'll tell you, sales of our best players, cheap replacements, the highest ticket prices, a manager who can do whatever he likes with no repercussions and not even a tin pot trophy to collect our tears in.

Would Chelsea swap the last 7 years with ours, I think not, as I said they've even won the CL which we've never managed which in theory elevates them above us in Europe.

Probs not. Does not meanid want him here, He treats that club like his play thing, he sacked Robbie beecaue he would not play Torres, what type of man does that.

You keep comparing us to Chelsea, why not compare Chelsea to man utd.

Would Utd fan ever trade place with Chavs since roman came in, no way. Im sure Utd fans want the best players and to spend money like Chavs have, but their way has been awesome and its much more respectable.

Why would we want Roman when we have Usmanov anyways.
03-12-2012, 09:03 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

You keep comparing us to Chelsea, why not compare Chelsea to man utd.

Would Utd fan ever trade place with Chavs since roman came in, no way. Im sure Utd fans want the best players and to spend money like Chavs have, but their way has been awesome and its much more respectable.

Man U never came up.

But no they wouldn't but then they've been more successful than Chelsea and have continued to win, they can take the moral high ground here as they have maintained success, the difference is we haven't, we've just gone backwards willingly, no real effort to succeed just a defeatist attitude, Wenger an co tell us we can't compete so we don't bother trying.

What a great attitude to have, if everyone thought like him noone would ever overcome the odds or beat the best through hard work and devotion in any sport, they'd just give up and have burgers, chips and milkshakes every day and tell everyone they can't compete 4th is the best they can get.
03-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Man U never came up.

But no they wouldn't but then they've been more successful than Chelsea and have continued to win, they can take the moral high ground here as they have maintained success, the difference is we haven't, we've just gone backwards willingly, no real effort to succeed just a defeatist attitude, Wenger an co tell us we can't compete so we don't bother trying.

What a great attitude to have, if everyone thought like him noone would ever overcome the odds or beat the best through hard work and devotion in any sport, they'd just give up and have burgers, chips and milkshakes every day and tell everyone we can't compete 4th is the best we can get.

No they don't, they tell us we can compete but don't show the ambition to match their words. Like i said, i love the way Utd are run and what they have achieved has been amazing and done through hard work. If i was to swap the last 10 years then it would be with them.
03-12-2012, 09:08 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

No they don't, they tell us we can compete but don't show the ambition to match their words. Like i said, i love the way Utd are run and what they have achieved has been amazing and done through hard work. If i was to swap the last 10 years then it would be with them.

Have you listened to them moaning about money etc, we've heard all the excuses and money is one of them. Wenger goes on about it all the time, which I find somewhat hypocritical when he's picking up a bigger salary than anyone else for achieving nothing, money in the game is bad unless he gets it it seems, I see he doesn't talk about ticket prices either, interesting.
03-12-2012, 09:11 PM
Olivier's xmas twist

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Have you listened to them moaning about money etc, we've heard all the excuses and money is one of them.

Im not talking about Ivan going on about not being able to compete with City etc Finacially. Im taking about comments they make, like we can win the league. We want to be the best.

We can't bid £50 mill for a player like city or chavs can that is not moaning its fact. Problem is We don't need too, we just need to shape the sqaud handsomely.
03-12-2012, 09:15 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Im not talking about Ivan going on about not being able to compete with City etc Finacially. Im taking about comments they make, like we can win the league. We want to be the best.

We can't bid £50 mill for a player like city or chavs can that is not moaning its fact. Problem is We don't need too, we just need to shape the sqaud handsomely.

I don't think we want to be best, not really. Sure if was handed to us on a plate we'd be happy with it but we won't work for it.

It's like saying you want to win choosing your numbers but not buying the ticket, or you want to be the best tennis player in the world but don't want to practice......not gonna happen.

Actions speak louder than words my friend.

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