Wenger's legacy - has it held us back

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We didn't start the season well. Look at the results. The lifeless performance we're seeing now where we struggled to create chances was there from the opening two games where we drew 0-0. And no, it's not all about the final third because in past seasons where we've scored loads and opened teams up we've had a leaky defence.

So adapting to the opposition what help our game? I don't believe that because it's exactly how teams have been able to shut us down this season and in the past. You have to employ some sort of tactic and it would help if we knew our oppenents weaknesses.

The sqaud is poor has been from the start of the season, all that is happening is a case of selling out best players and not repacing them. It does not matter what formation you play. Players like Ramsey/Gev etc will always let you down.

Had we had the quality then its a diffrent story. have to agree with Grebbo on this.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If the squad is good but not deliverieng - that is down to Wenger.

If the squad is poor - that is down to Wenger.

[Grebbo]

Well we won at Liverpool and drew away to City. We played well. City captain said Arsenal are the best team City have played against all season.

There's no point us going back and fourth as we wont agree. I'm one of these people who thinks finishing 3rd in this league is a success - you're not.

I believe having a world class attacking third is 90% of winning the league. City and Manure have both been criticised for having crappy defences this season yet they're first and second. Why? Because their world class attacking third will win them games 90% of the time

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If the squad is good but not deliverieng - that is down to Wenger.

If the squad is poor - that is down to Wenger.

[Fats]

Wenger is fucked in the head.

I said 5 seasons ago that we will never win anything under him again. I thought his projects were brainless and self indulgent.

He has failed and has to move on.

Simples

[Power n Glory]

Well we won at Liverpool and drew away to City. We played well. City captain said Arsenal are the best team City have played against all season.

There's no point us going back and fourth as we wont agree. I'm one of these people who thinks finishing 3rd in this league is a success - you're not.

I believe having a world class attacking third is 90% of winning the league. City and Manure have both been criticised for having crappy defences this season yet they're first and second. Why? Because their world class attacking third will win them games 90% of the time

And if you look back in past seasons, you'll see that our goal record has always been on par with what the top guy get but our defensive record has always been way below par and mid table teams have much better records in comparison sometimes. We need a balance but we're terrible in all positions at the moment.

A far as quality goes and tactics..Man Utd have had an average squad for 3 seasons now! Fergie is somehow able to adapt with what he has. He'll switch formations and try two up front, one up front, a flat four across the middle or three in the middle...it all depends on his squad selection. I can't recall him playing Hernandez out on the flanks doing wing play for example. He wouldn't play Scholes, Anderson or Carrick on the wing. Certain players just can't adapt that way because it's not in their makeup.

Gervinho as a line striker and Ramsey out on the flanks? Senseless.

[Özim]

i think they'd take wenger over rafa.

That wasn't the question.

[Marc Overmars]

Poor squad or not, when there's precious little life in any of the performances we see you have to wonder whether the manager has lost the dressing room. Players stabbing him in the back every year should suggest Wenger does not carry the sort of aurora he used to.

[Özim]

Grebbo is pretty much spot on

I agree, people use to go on about how Chelsea will be in sh*t when he gets bored.....he's not got bored and if he does leave Chelsea will be desirable enough to attract another buyer with money.

Would you rather be bled dry and win nothing or see big players come into the club and chase success albeit under an owner who considers the club his to tinker with.

I prefer the latter personally, we get nothing for our money, Chelsea fans at least see top players and success.

[Özim]

Quite, but that's only because we have had nothing else (bar Istanbul... which is why we go on about that too) for the last 20 years.

If your barren run continues for a while though, you lot might find yourselves in the same boat; going on and on about the Invincibles. And there's nothing wrong with that. You already do, really.
In 50 odd years time Chelsea and City fans will bleat on about Mourinho and Aguero, but they will never see how tainted and how hollow it is. Although saying that some Chelsea fans are starting to wonder if who they support is Chelsea anymore, or Abramovich FC... it's just a shame everyone else was saying that years ago.

It's no substitute for current success, that's ridiculous, but it makes it better imo.

Totally agree with this, I'm not knocking history as it's great but at the end of the day if you're sitting there winning nothing for years on end it really can't replace success in the present.