Match Reaction v Barca (home) 15/16

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

It is part of the difference but sides like City have been spunking millions on the pitch and they're nowhere near the level of Barca either.
I'm not going to get worked up we lost to Barca - they're on a different planet from almost everyone.
Let's start competing domestically first, 2 years ago we started buying players which should enable us to do so, it's yielded some results. The title's there for the taking now, let's see how we get on there. Fail there and you and I will be on (more or less) the same page.

---

Or we could go back a step further and look into why we got into this mess in CL in the first place? We finished second in the group because Wenger gambled with his team selection in the first few group stage games, he messed around with the team selection by playing Ospina and replacing half of the first choice players . It was arrogance and mismanagement of the highest order, we're not even one of the strongest teams in CL, so why he felt we were good enough to make wholesale changes is beyond me. Barca or Bayern don't do it, so why are we even entertaining the idea?!

The problem isn't that we lost to Barca and this really has nothing to do with Man City or any of the dopers, the issue is Wenger here and his continued mismanagement of the team.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by selassie

Or we could go back a step further and look into why we got into this mess in CL in the first place? We finished second in the group because Wenger gambled with his team selection in the first few group stage games, he messed around with the team selection by playing Ospina and replacing half of the first choice players . It was arrogance and mismanagement of the highest order, we're not even one of the strongest teams in CL, so why he felt we were good enough to make wholesale changes is beyond me. Barca or Bayern don't do it, so why are we even entertaining the idea?!

The problem isn't that we lost to Barca and this really has nothing to do with Man City or any of the dopers, the issue is Wenger here and his continued mismanagement of the team.

---

Wenger messed up with his selections early in the group stage. But let’s face it, once we were drawn with Bayern in the same group, the likelihood of us finishing top was very slim. Which isn’t to say we shouldn’t have tried our best to do so but in reality, we finished where expected, although not in the manner anticipated.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kano

That's not what I said. What I'm pointing out is that there is a big difference between being unsatisfied and galvanising that into a group action, all focused on one outcome. I don't see that happening in the stadium, enmasse, at all. Especially on a regular basis. It's wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Either Wenger will decide to hang up his hat or he'll continue as is.

---

Fair enough, I wasn't suggesting their was going to be some sort of mass protest or group action, merely that IMO Arsenal fans all over would have little to no faith left in Wenger, regardless of this seasons outcome I will continue to support the team but It doesn't mean I or the fan group in general will believe in Wenger, he's been losing support for a while now and I think if we fail to win PL and one of the lesser sides come wins it then his support would be at an all time low.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kano

Wenger messed up with his selections early in the group stage. But let’s face it, once we were drawn with Bayern in the same group, the likelihood of us finishing top was very slim. Which isn’t to say we shouldn’t have tried our best to do so but in reality, we finished where expected in our group.

---

It was slim but Wenger made it impossible for us to finish above them by throwing away the first two games. What he did was unacceptable and unnecessary. It just adds to a catalogue of bizarre decisions he makes these days.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by selassie

Fair enough, I wasn't suggesting their was going to be some sort of mass protest or group action, merely that IMO Arsenal fans all over would have little to no faith left in Wenger, regardless of this seasons outcome I will continue to support the team but It doesn't mean I or the fan group in general will believe in Wenger, he's been losing support for a while now and I think if we fail to win PL and one of the lesser sides come wins it then his support would be at an all time low.

---

I definitely agree with that but I think a lot of fans have to brace themselves with the idea that Wenger will be around for a while yet. Perhaps even longer than just next season, especially with both owners right behind him.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kano

I definitely agree with that but I think a lot of fans have to brace themselves with the idea that Wenger will be around for a while yet. Perhaps even longer than just next season, especially with both owners right behind him.

---

Oh for sure, like you stated he's here until he decides to call it a day but I don't think things will be rosey if the unthinkable happens this season. We know what Wenger is like when he gets questioned and I don't think it will be pretty.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I've always maintained the money was there but Wenger was being cheap and the last few seasons have proven that.

---

Hang on...

In the last 3 years we've had a net spend of about £110m, signing players like Cech, Sanchez and Ozil.
The 3 seasons prior to that our net spent was £-9m, we actually made a profit in the transder market and didn't sign any real top players like the ones I've mentioned.

You can argue it's not enough, and I'd probably agree, but there has been a clear change in our spending since the new deals were put in place.

Source:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-ar...fers/verein/11

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

Hang on...

In the last 3 years we've had a net spend of about £110m, signing players like Cech, Sanchez and Ozil.
The 3 seasons prior to that our net spent was £-9m, we actually made a profit in the transder market and didn't sign any real top players like the ones I've mentioned.

You can argue it's not enough, and I'd probably agree, but there has been a clear change in our spending since the new deals were put in place.

Source:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-ar...fers/verein/11

---

Yes, it's not enough. We needed a striker this season. I think the points raised fly over your head so there really is no point in going down this avenue. It's repeated time and time again but you're baffled every step of the way.

Yes. We made a profit of £9m in the transfer market in the 3 seasons before the new financial deals were in place.
We spent £110m in the transfer market in the 3 seasons since.
But yes, the money was always there and this proves it. You were right all along. Clever you. Silly only me just doesn't understand your clever argument.


:lol:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Letters

Yes. We made a profit of £9m in the transfer market in the 3 seasons before the new financial deals were in place.
We spent £110m in the transfer market in the 3 seasons since.
But yes, the money was always there and this proves it. You were right all along. Clever you. Silly only me just doesn't understand your clever argument.


:lol:

---

I think you’re mentally stunted and it would explain why you can’t get your head around something so simple. If you sell your best players, your top goal scorer, spend the whole fee on someone of similar quality. Don’t go cheap and spend £25m to £30m on three useless players. It dilutes the quality. I’ve explained this to you before but there isn’t any point in going over it again.