Match Reaction vs Stoke (away).

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

In the middle of the season when we're only 3 points away from the top 4?

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I was going to edit my post but I anticipated a reply, so...
I'm not a big fan of the idea of us sacking a manager mid-season. We certainly don't want to turn into Spurs, hopping from manager to manager with increasing desperation. I'm beginning to think though there's very little left to lose. We need to start preparing for a post-Wenger Arsenal at least and there's very little sign the board are even doing that.


My more general point was you can't sensibly say Wenger is entirely to blame. As HCZ said, the buck stops at the top of the tree and Wenger is, ultimately, just an employee. I'd say he should take the majority of the blame but I don't absolve the players totally and the board should be getting more stick about persisting with him than they do.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

F--k me you two - you're confusing me know. PnG's trying to stop Letter's from sacking Wenger - I need a lie down.

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No, that’s not my argument. I’m saying it wouldn’t make sense for the Board to sack Wenger in the middle of the season when we’re not that far off the top 4 or before the season started after an FA Cup run. They have to get their timing right and that’s why he’s still in the job. Wenger has hid behind excuses for years and lumped the blame on to the Board with his constant excuses. Now that he’s been given money to spend and they’ve made it clear that they won’t restrict him, he’s been left pretty exposed. His popularity amongst the fans is at an all-time low and at the end of this season would be the best time for them to act.

We're stuck with him until the end of his contract, I don't even think he would get fired if we failed to finish top 4.

“We live in a world where everybody has an opinion and we have to live with that. At the end of the day, somebody always has to make a decision and that’s the guy who is responsible.”

Wenger has always said he'd leave if he didn't feel he could contribute any more to the club. But the problem is his role extends far beyond what happens on the pitch. So when he scrapes 4th and the cash registers ring up another £30mill, in light of his extended role, he's contributed so he doesn't leave. Our next manager needs a much more clearly defined role that is focused 100% on the team and nothing else. We're in this shit because Wenger has about 15 jobs at the club, a by-product of a crappy board who invested nothing, contributed nothing and happily handed over their responsibilities to one man. If that man then becomes the weak link you're fucked. The board will need to find it's balls (somehow) to dig us out of this before 2017. Somebody needs to step up. We have Silent Stan, Ivan and the old school tie brigade. I don't hold out much hope. It's pretty grim to be in a position where failing to qualify for the CL might be the only thing that can break the cycle. But if we drop out of that elite circle then we might have a hell of a time getting back into it considering half our badge kissers will probably want to fuck off.

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

You've got more chance of Wenger admitting its all his fault.
The arrogance, dog-eared determination to blame all but himself, unrivalled master of his little kingdom, surrounded by yes men ( Bould & MS ) - is it any wonder Letters won't have a word said against his hero - he's modeled himself on him.

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:haha: :haha: :haha: Brilliant.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I was going to edit my post but I anticipated a reply, so...
I'm not a big fan of the idea of us sacking a manager mid-season. We certainly don't want to turn into Spurs, hopping from manager to manager with increasing desperation. I'm beginning to think though there's very little left to lose. We need to start preparing for a post-Wenger Arsenal at least and there's very little sign the board are even doing that.


My more general point was you can't sensibly say Wenger is entirely to blame. As HCZ said, the buck stops at the top of the tree and Wenger is, ultimately, just an employee. I'd say he should take the majority of the blame but I don't absolve the players totally and the board should be getting more stick about persisting with him than they do.

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I think Wenger has done a good job of keeping himself out of the limelight with the way he shifts the blame. He’s used the oil barren clubs success as an excuse for years to mask his failing. If he’d have been sacked before this season kicked off, I think a lot of fans would have been taking a swipe at the Board. That’s no excuse for their cowardice though. They should have been putting him in check, but we really don’t know what’s been said behind closed doors. In football, the Board only get recognised when there is money to spend or managers get sacked. They could have sacked him earlier, but this Emirates project is still pretty fresh and we’ve only just secured new sponsorship deals. Would we have secured such good deals if we had just sacked our manager with a long serving history of a Top 4 finish? They must have taken that into consideration as well. Rock the boat later once the checks have cleared. That’s my theory. If they remain idle after this point then they deserve all the criticism they get. But I can understand why they wouldn’t rock the boat prior to this season.

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Originally Posted by Letters

All Wenger's fault?

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YES!

A weak and mediocre mentality that has seeped through every player and inch of the club.

Defenders fucking up every week? TRAIN AND ORGANISE THEM!
Youngsters fucking up every week? DON'T THROW THEM IN THE DEEP END AGAINST DORTMUND AND STOKE AWAY!
Get battered by top teams? SET UP TIGHT AND STOP PRETENDING LIKE WE'RE PLAYING YEOVIL!
Have to play a left back at centre back? BUY A FUCKING CENTRE BACK!
Get outfought by other teams - BUY A TOUGH DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER!
Rue fixture list? DON'T GO INTO A 50 GAME SEASON WITH 6 DEFENDERS!

THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM!!!

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM!!!

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He's an employee, so no it doesn't. If he's not doing his job then the board should have replaced him.
Trouble is, of course, he is doing his job, as they define it. And that is entirely their fault.
:tiphat:

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

YES!

A weak and mediocre mentality that has seeped through every player and inch of the club.

Defenders fucking up every week? TRAIN AND ORGANISE THEM!
Youngsters fucking up every week? DON'T THROW THEM IN THE DEEP END AGAINST DORTMUND AND STOKE AWAY!
Get battered by top teams? SET UP TIGHT AND STOP PRETENDING LIKE WE'RE PLAYING YEOVIL!
Have to play a left back at centre back? BUY A FUCKING CENTRE BACK!
Get outfought by other teams - BUY A TOUGH DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER!
Rue fixture list? DON'T GO INTO A 50 GAME SEASON WITH 6 DEFENDERS!

THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM!!!

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The point is though who is holding him to account for not doing this?

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Originally Posted by Letters

He's an employee, so no it doesn't. If he's not doing his job then the board should have replaced him.
Trouble is, of course, he is doing his job, as they define it. And that is entirely their fault.
:tiphat:

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Straw argument
Nobody here is absolving the board for Wengers lunacy
However a sane, thorough, analytical and self motivated manager would have thrived, rather than stagnated under this same board.
Our indolent board should be a managers dream....The right manager,mind.
If we need to change 1 of the 2 the manager needs to be out on his arse.

You are always fond of the Hitler analogy so I will ask you this
Do you blame the people of Germany for not getting rid of Hitler?.
for the pogrom of the jews , who do you blame. Hitler or the voting public of Germany