Match Reaction vs Stoke (away).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think even when we were winning things Wenger was stubborn, dogmatic etc and in many ways I think it was a barrier preventing us from being more dominant.

I think most people knew deep down that he wasn't able to take us forward. Since 2007/2008 I was convinced Wenger didnt have it in him to win us the top prizes, for me the title should have been ours that year but we evaporated, it wasnt injuries it was just a total inability to find form.

A lot of the pro Wenger argument is based on loyalty to a man who took us to extraordinary feats a long time ago but is perpetually hitting his head against a wall.

As much as he frustrated me, for me I lost faith in him totally after the 8-2 game at United since that day I'm constantly doing what the board should be doing, looking at managers at other clubs and wondering who could do a better job.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Andy Williams, writer of "Moon River"?

The reason we are crap going forward is because the ball isn't getting to our attacking players quick enough, we don't do enough to prevent the second ball and engineer breaks from central midfield

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Andy Williams, writer of "Moon River"?

Just say it wetters. I know it really really hurts and you can't bring yourself to say it but just admit it, it's all wengers fault.

[Bumble]

We are a money bags club. You look at the wage bill compared to nearly all of Europe and we will always be in the top level of clubs. I was confident going into the season but worried about lack of defensive options. We are defensively weak, Mert has been poor and we should be looking for a first choice CB not a 3rd or 4th choice one. Especially if they knew about Koscielny injury.

Why has Wenger changed approached though? We used to be built around big strong quick players. But the transition from Vieira to Fabregas seems to have got us into this position. Wenger doesn't need to get up to date with modern football because our successful teams would still win the league now. Buy players that fit that mould and go with it.

[Dein-machine]

Just say it wetters. I know it really really hurts and you can't bring yourself to say it but just admit it, it's all wengers fault.

You've got more chance of Wenger admitting its all his fault.
The arrogance, dog-eared determination to blame all but himself, unrivalled master of his little kingdom, surrounded by yes men ( Bould & MS ) - is it any wonder Letters won't have a word said against his hero - he's modeled himself on him.

[Letters]

Just say it wetters. I know it really really hurts and you can't bring yourself to say it but just admit it, it's all wengers fault.

All Wenger's fault? So the players don't take any responsibility?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

All Wenger's fault? So the players don't take any responsibility?

President Harry S Truman had a placard on his Oval Office desk that says the buck stops here

The players are performing badly and aren't taking responsibility, but ultimately when this is happening who is taking control of the situation and trying to address it.

We are told in no uncertain terms that Wenger is the generalissimo when it comes to football aspects of the club, so yes ultimate power ultimate responsibility when it goes tits up

[Letters]

President Harry S Truman had a placard on his Oval Office desk that says the buck stops here

The players are performing badly and aren't taking responsibility, but ultimately when this is happening who is taking control of the situation and trying to address it.

OK...and who employs Wenger...?

[Power n Glory]

There was clearly a risk of that. What I really don't understand is why we're so crap going forward, so slow and laboured. We have plenty of quality in midfield and up front. Ramsey is suddenly rubbish again, Ozil is patchy at best, only Sanchez is doing the biz.

Our build up play has been like this for seasons.The difference is the defence being out of sorts. Swap Ramsey's form for Sanchez's and we're still looking at a team being carried by one individual on attack with dodgy strikers leading the line.

[Dein-machine]

All Wenger's fault? So the players don't take any responsibility?

If you had to race Oxford in the boat race & you chose to put mediocre rowers in the boat instead of the obvious quality required, who's to blame for the loss?