Winter Transfer Missed Opportunities and Regrets

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

I’m genuinely at a loss as to what you think you’ve proven here

Are you literally saying we did the wrong thing by tapping the player up?

Cos I’m not sure you’d have been saying that had it been successful

And I’m not in anyway sure why you think this article proves that the money (both in terms of the transfer fee and wages) wasn’t ludicrous. In fact I think it’s more than likely that Chelsea had to offer Mudryk silly wages in order to turn his head sufficiently.

But given your whole argument is doing what it takes to get the player you want, your assertion that somehow we behaved in an underhand way lacks for logic i am afraid to say.

As for Chelsea, this is a club with a history of tapping players up, need I remind you of Ashley Cole. And it proves their transfer strategy is rather superficial in the sense of “Arsenal want this player, so he might be good…let’s sign him”. Now if that’s how they want to operate that’s up to them.

The only reasonable critique that can be made is a potential failure to earmark any alternative that ticks many of the same boxes as Mudryk, and you’ve taken great exception to the idea that if the only alternatives are Trossard or Raphinia…it’d be better to keep our hands in our pockets.

To be Frank with you, I think you’re lacking for a consistent argument to justify your tantrum throwing and you’re now in the desperation of throwing anything at the wall and seeing if it sticks

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Dude, not everything I post on here is targeted at you, get over yourself.

Though now i do recall you were the first person to get back at me to question why I called the club a joke IYO (which is clearly wrong now) for not offering the kind of "ludicrous" money that would get this deal over the line.

For the less prickly posters, that link was to show that we still have a lot of work to do to perfect the way we go about getting players and getting what we want.We went about this the wrong way and any unbiased person would agree.

Funnily, I am happy to hear we offered what needed to be offered...it bodes well for us that we do not have an imaginary cap that you and your ilk would like to impose on us to win the Morality cup.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

The difference is my opinion is based on what you’re saying, your opinion is based on how you’re reacting to what you think I’m saying.

But yet you correct yourself half way through your post, first of all to say that I’ve behaving like a woman by not being confident enough to say we are favourites for the title only to then actually agree with the logic that means I’ve come to that conclusion.

And people like me have kept us unambitious? I love that you hold me in such high esteem that you think I had any ability to influence any decision taking by this club in the last fifteen years. I’d love it if I felt that Edu came on this car crash of a site and thought “HCZ thinks we should do this, better heed his sage counsel”. But ultimately you’re suffering from a delusional mindset…it’s a bit like how idiots blocking traffic think they are shaping the dialogue in any meaningful or constructive way.

What you and I think or how we behave in relation to this club…simply does not matter. This site is for the purposes of distraction, for Arsenal fans bored of their job, or their screaming ungrateful kids or their wife who every day they find that little less attractive.

That’s as far as our influence extends…if what I wanted to happen happened, Wenger would have been gone after the 8-2 defeat at Old Trafford. And we’d have signed a lot of players we didn’t sign, and I say with the benefit of hindsight that it would have been completely hit and miss whether it worked or not.

There have been transfers we’ve missed out on and failed opportunities that make me seeth, I would have liked to see us sign Mudryk…and I don’t think I’ve said our transfer strategy is perfect or even non sub optimal. It’s just on the balance, I can’t find it within me to feel too bad about a player that was signed for almost twice his realistic value on a silly contract.

You call it small club mentality and have presented no evidence of any big club that hasn’t ultimately made a Rod for its own back behaving that way.

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:) great stuff mate.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

This is one of the things I complained about when having debates with you; you seem not to provide evidence of any of your assertions while making it sound like you are.

Below is a snapshot of the EPL at half year stage last year. It is clear that every single team chasing us, that has a realistic chance of the title, has either equalled or done better than their half term haul last year. By the way, they also all seemed to have all miraculously finished in the top 4 at the end of the year.

Obviously these are just stats and I am not saying they must hold, but why do you frame your arguments like they are logical and based on some sort of empirical evidence while not recognising its just fear thats making you see things the way you are?

BTW I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with being afraid that we will mess it up as we have a consistent history of doing so, but recognise what the basis of your argument is built on and stop trying to dress it up as something else.

https://www.worldfootball.net/schedu...19/halbzeit-2/

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And this is why I’m saying you’re responding to what you think I’m saying rather than what I’m saying

At no point have I suggested that what I’ve suggested could happen is what is going to happen.

That’s just what you assume I’m saying, possibly because you’ve skim read my posts and that’s not being critical…my posts are long and I certainly skim read other posts from time to time

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

And finally, to those whose arguement that the money for Mudryk was ludicrous and we did things the right way.....enjoy the read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talkspo...-transfer/amp/

Could say I told you so, but I'm not Letters lol

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Dude, not everything I post on here is targeted at you, get over yourself.

Though now i do recall you were the first person to get back at me to question why I called the club a joke IYO (which is clearly wrong now) for not offering the kind of "ludicrous" money that would get this deal over the line.

For the less prickly posters, that link was to show that we still have a lot of work to do to perfect the way we go about getting players and getting what we want.We went about this the wrong way and any unbiased person would agree.

Funnily, I am happy to hear we offered what needed to be offered...it bodes well for us that we do not have an imaginary cap that you and your ilk would like to impose on us to win the Morality cup.

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Again you can’t help yourself

Where did I state that this was intended as a personal dig at me, I’m making the argument that this article proves none of the incoherent outbursts you’ve been making

Also What has morality got to do with anything?

If I have no moral qualm with tapping a player up, I have no moral qualm with us paying a certain amount.

If your argument had been why treat the clubs money like your own, you might have had an argument

But as I’ve consistently pointed out you’ve been content to pummel a straw man…that somehow I think it’s cheating to spend above a certain amount. No I just think it’s not especially wise

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...-france-winger

Looks like we are still searching for a winger. This Diaby fella at Leverkusen I have heard of but can't claim to have seen him play. He was in the French squad at the world cup and has 8 caps. He has a good reputation so that must mean something.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

And finally, to those whose arguement that the money for Mudryk was ludicrous and we did things the right way.....enjoy the read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talkspo...-transfer/amp/

Could say I told you so, but I'm not Letters lol

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Not following this argument:

1. This is an article quoting the Shaktar boss. Of course he is going to spin the saga his way.

2. You say we bungled the deal, yet we are supposed to criticise Arsenal for trying to use all means at their disposal (short of simply bending over and paying an over valuation at the outset) to secure the signing (and let's face it every other transfer involves informal approaches to players). This seems to me to face 2 ways.

3. I think it's naive to believe that approaching the player first was the reason we didn't get the Mudryk signing. It was about the money. Of course it was. And I do not equate failing to pay a stupid valuation figure with bungling the deal.

4. I haven't seen anyone claim that Arsenal did things the 'right' way (whatever that is supposed to mean). People have said that it was right not to be pushed over a red line when it came to money paid up front for the player. There's a difference.

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Originally Posted by selassie

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...-france-winger

Looks like we are still searching for a winger. This Diaby fella at Leverkusen I have heard of but can't claim to have seen him play. He was in the French squad at the world cup and has 8 caps. He has a good reputation so that must mean something.

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I don’t know enough about him to comment but I’ve heard good things

The name Diaby feels me with dread though, it would be amusing to sign two players with the surname of former players albeit ones that play in different positions

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

And this is why I’m saying you’re responding to what you think I’m saying rather than what I’m saying

At no point have I suggested that what I’ve suggested could happen is what is going to happen.

That’s just what you assume I’m saying, possibly because you’ve skim read my posts and that’s not being critical…my posts are long and I certainly skim read other posts from time to time

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Did I imagine you saying our competitors underperformed in the first half of the season and our topping the league was only an anomaly based largely on their shortcomings?

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Did I imagine you saying our competitors underperformed in the first half of the season and our topping the league was only an anomaly based largely on their shortcomings?

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No but that’s an observation of where we are, not a prediction of what’s to come

You’ve read that as a reflection upon us, when it’s not. Our form is an anomaly, even going back to our most successful seasons under Wenger we have not accumulated as many points from the amount of games we’ve played. And equally it’s unusual that Liverpool and Man City have dropped as many points as they have.

But you also clearly ignored where I said we were objectively the best team in the league, based on where we are in the table and how we’ve performed.

So you’re guilty of both selective reading and discounting anything I’ve said which you feel wouldn’t prove your argument

As I’ve said to you repeatedly, if you want to argue with an imagined opponent…you’ve only to let me know…because I’m not needed for that