Clichy 'scored' a deflected goal which was then correctly given as a Steinsson own goal.
But my point was that Clichy would never be a danger to opposition defences (without the aid of huge deflections, of course).
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Clichy 'scored' a deflected goal which was then correctly given as a Steinsson own goal.
But my point was that Clichy would never be a danger to opposition defences (without the aid of huge deflections, of course).
We'll finish 4th. We'll finish 4th next year too. We'll finish 4th every year for the next 14 years, which is when AW indicated he'll stay until.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Chance to build a bit of a gap: check
Playing a team we should beat on paper: check
Time to mess it up? That's a big check
Sounds a bit self inflicted again by not playing players in their natural positions. (made worse if they are pretty shit players to begin with...)
Saw bits of the game on a really choppy stream and from what I saw we were 2nd best for large spells of the game. Today is a prime reason why we are still very very short of being a title challnging team and why we need to be very careful with the fixtures in the run-in, I do not want to see us undo all the good effort we've put in lately by collapsing and finishing outside of the top 4.
I knew our spell would end at some point but I didn't expect us to lose today and certainly not in the manner we lost.
I still do not understand Arsene sometimes, why he feels the need to accomodate Ramsey in the team & on the left when we had 2 credible options on the bench is just a plain mystery.
Despite all of that we're still in a good position, we do have some very difficult games coming up so need to be on the ball for the remainder of the season. The game against Chelsea could prove very crucial and I do not like the fact Chelsea are picking up form now.
First game with the pressure off and the lads take it easy. Plenty still to be learned then. We really don't know how to go for the jugular. A win today and the spuds would have packed it in. Now we transform a potential 6 point gap into 3 points to draw level. Stupid. We fell off the tightrope because we weren't paying proper attention. We always take these games too lightly. Wenger still believes we have enough in the squad to rotate things. We don't. We barely have 11 decent players. Ramsey isn't one of them this season. Good job it's City next week. It could have been two losses on the bounce of we had another easy game.
vermaleans garbage.
the boys been found out. ridculously overrated player.
we need a new CB because this guy is a squad player only.
What was it, five massive wins and the one careless loss. TV gets a couple of vital goals during the winning streak and plays solid at the back, PLUS, he gives 100% effort. Now he fucks up and he's out. Wenger is in, five games later he's out again. We were never going to win this league. I'm amazed we are third and hoping we can hang on to it. I expected us to finish between eighth and tenth and that's the way it was shaping up for a while back there. We were missing out on Europe, probably missing out on signings as a result, probably losing our best player too. Now all that has turned around. We have a chance to reverse all those negatives and turn them into positives and we aren't even going to have to wait until the last day of the transfer window this time around, Podolski is on his way. So why are we doing the everyone is shit, everyone needs to GTFO routine again. This season is a lucky escape, we should be thanking our lucky stars (and to be fair they put some effort in to).
Tbf after BOBNs previous shockers, RVP better than Bergkamp and Gervinho better than Nasri, :lol: what he says can be taken with a pinch of salt.
However there is an element of truth in what he says
Verm has been a bit shit lately. His goals lately has clouded his shitness at the back in recent times but apparently they came to the fore today. He'll be fine with Mert but unfortunately the big German is out for the season so hoping Kos and Verm can do well for the remaining games and keep us top 5
but its okay cause we've had a good season and wenger will turn it around next year :lol:
mugs :haha:
Who's making mugs of us? Vermaelen? We haven't spend £500mill on transfers. We haven't got £200mill coming in from Chinese sweatshops. We actually make profits in the transfer window. We construct our own glass ceiling every year. If we finish third that's the absolute most we could expect under those circumstances. Look upstairs if you want to find who's taking the piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Why do we need to rotate things? We just have 7 games left in the season. If the players cant be arsed to bust a gut for 630 minutes over 7 weeks, then we dont need shit kickers like them and their head honcho- Arsene Wenger! This team fucked off any chance of winning a trophy and with the only thing to play for and build a gap, they go and decide to fuck things off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Ach, Zim, myself have said time and time again... this shit happens every freaking season. Build a winning or unbeaten run and quite a few supporters start taking their rose tinted glasses. Arsene Wenger is FINISHED as an Arsenal manager. Any longer he stays, its like dragging a dead man on our backs. Time to say good bye!
I didnt watch the game today but from what I hear, I am sure Stan and PHW phoned Arsene last night to play Ramsey on the left, leave Ox out and bring Chamakh on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Bloody board and their team selections! :lol:
:haha: at this thread and the knee-jerking and whaaambulances.
Yeah, we shouldn't have lost to QPR. ManYoo shouldn't have lost to Blackburn at home. City shouldn't have lost to Sunderland away. These results will happen. They happen to every team. We've just won 7 in a row, no team wins forever. The important thing is we pick ourselves up and win the next one, which won't be easy but City are wobbling and there for the taking. They'll play football against us which suits us.
Come on Arsenal :scarf:
:lol: :doh:
who's making mugs of us? is that a serious question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
i'll tell you who.
wenger for fucking it up every year
the board for being ****s and filling their pockets at the expense of trophies
fans that think its all ok and we're having a good season
thats who making mugs of us.
The Board shouldn't crop up in this discussion, in the same way they weren't mentioned on the match thread in our last few games. It doesn't take £200m to beat QPR, it's a bullshit argument considering we smashed Milan 3-0 not so long ago. Bad preparation, lack of motivation, mistakes on the field and poor management decisions lost us this game.
hes not done a single thing to prove hes a good defender. ajax were leaking goals left right and centre when he was there, in fact they eventually shunted him out to left back, no doubt to get him out the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
his first season at arsenal we conceeded more goals than the previous one, even with "nobody could possibly be worse" william gallas in and around it.
he scored a couple of screamers and shows aggression on the ground and it the air and thats it, hero status achieved. the rest of his game is schoolboy. george graham must be turning in his grave.
:haha: no he is not as he won't be sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
because had they got their fingers out their arses and bought some players we'd actually have some decent depth off the bench to be able to beat teams like this. the players are absolutely knackered yet we have nothing to inspire us to victory. absolutely no bench. and it was also evident against milan when we needed a world beater to come on and really push us for the last 20. yet we had nothing.
you cant blame the players they've given it their all over the past month to sort out the massive fuck up that happened last summer.
He left Gervinho and Ox on the bench. He chose not to buy and decided to loan players out because he couldn't give them much playing time. I won't accept fatigue as an excuse either because there was no midweek game. It's a flimsy excuse IMO and one everyone likes to revert to when results don't go our way we had enough in our locker to beat QPR an Wenger has to look at why he's starting Ransey ahead of Ox and Gervinho and why Chamakh keeps getting games.
gervinho? he's cack. people cant on one hand say he's shit then try to justify their argument by suggesting he's good and that he should have started.
he was never going to be a world beater this season and wont be for a few years (at least), so no point talking about him.
as for the ox, yes, thats where i agree with you. but is that really enough for a club pushing for glory? it clearly isn't. we need more. who's to blame? board and manager. not the players.
people were saying pires was shit after one season, henry cant finish for shyt etc.
the biggest flaws in gervinhos game are cowardliness and lack of composure. exactly the things you expect to improve over time.
but hes still had a better season than nasri.
It shouldn't take a world class signing to beat QPR. We were undone by mistakes by Vermaelen and he hasn't played all season so we can't even talk about fatigue in his case. The players and manager are to blame for this game. Forget the league for a second. Man for man, we're a better team than QPR and should have enough players to beat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Come summer, if we allow players to leave and fail to sign players to get us challenging for the title, then the conversation about finances, ambition and Board becomes relevant. What do you expect them to do at this point in the season? Wenger didn't want to sign players and loaned more players out. Whose at fault for that?
Nope, disagree with that. He's always had a rep for looking like Bambi on the ball and I can't see thy changing anytime soon. He's a coward like Hleb and has no idea what to do with the ball in the danger areas. The fact that Ramsey is getting games over him at this stage should be a worry for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOBN
Finally got around to watching the game, I will keep saying this, Vernaelan is good football player, but at this level he is not a reliable defender.
Vermaelen is our David Luiz.
obviously dropped points were due after 7 matches but i was expecting at least a draw here.
the reasons behind ramsey on the left aren't so weird, its all about ball retention away from home. have a man wide that can tuck inside when the ball is won back in the centre.
i think it follows on the success we had with benny earlier in the season - the difference is that benny can be more disciplined and direct out wide. ramsey still hasn't worked out what sort of player he is yet, the indecisiveness in his play shows he still needs to figure out what makes him really tick.
and please, can we get santos back in the team. gibbs has done ok but those huge gaps on the left are too damaging for us.
His aggression and overall football skills should be used in the middle. Vermaelen and Song CMF partnership.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Veira-Petit MK II :cloud9:
The funny thing is people in the thread I started were accusing others of knee-jerking for changing their position after a 'few good games' (I would suggest that 7 wins on the bounce is a bit more than that), and then after that run 1 defeat and you and the other toddlers on here throw their toys out of the pram with wearying predictability. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
please. he would be a nothing there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipsychubbs
put him at left-back and tell him to shut his fookin mouth. ajax had the right idea. vermalean-gibbs-santos is lovely balance for that position.
3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th places will only be separated by a few points, even GD for that matter. That was a vital 3 points we lost yesterday; thing is, can we keep it together going into the tough crunch games ahead? City still have the depth to toss us aside and Chelsea, who kicked their manager to the curb in less than a season and appointed an unproven as interim, have been on the rebound and looking like glimpses of their old selves.
I just don't get how a manager becomes bigger than a club. Why is this messianic status still being accorded to Wenger? I know he got us to play the best club football at one point and won us some titles - barring the big one, the CL - but it is very apparent that his managerial skills plateaued and have been going down the other side of the hill for quite some years now. It's like the game has evolved beyond his scope. I don't want to hear anything about big money being spent by other clubs because I'm sure SAF and Manure have not spent shit loads of cash and just look at their level of success. It's all about expectations, ambition and pride, of which we seem to have none. Every season we settle for less than the previous one.
Why not just focus on the football instead of worrying about fans reactions? Why is it that the reaction here on GW gets you more riled than our team losing? You always come in here claiming reactions are 'knee jerk'. Who gives a shit! It's an instant reaction and people are pissed about losing. Plus the 'toddlers' comment. Is that really necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But it did crop up! Because the criticism seems to be not just about losing to QPR but about the cyclical failure to compete at the very top. If people are complaining about 3rd place and saying TV needs to GTFO and Wenger should be sacked and so on, I assume this is not on the back of a single loss to QPR but rather on the performance across the season as a whole? Or even multiple seasons? Or fuck, maybe it is just based on one game. But assuming not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
We're usually fourth, right now we're third. If that's not good enough then are we supposed to be top or second? Above two clubs who pour countless millions more into their squads? Be nice if we were but if we're going to start sacking everyone then the aim must be to get something better. So to compete at the top we'll need to start spending on the levels of the Manchester clubs. So this is why the board absolutely should be mentioned if other individuals are going to be singled out. They won't spend the money so we're already as high as we can go. So why do people want to sack everyone for getting us as far as can realistically be expected? Shouldn't they want to sack the fuckers who have imposed the glass ceiling?
UQPR shouldn't be the glass ceiling. If we lost against City and the clubs that spent more than us, then you'd have a valid point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No, the lack of investment is the glass ceiling. If we finish third this season we'll have our noses pushed against it. I do have a point, you're ignoring it and talking about something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Well, yes, it will be tight but you could equally say it was a vital 21 points we got in the 7 games preceding yesterday's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
Did you think we were going win win every game till the end of the season? Every team loses silly games sometimes, as I said ManYoo lost to Blackburn at home this year. It happens. The important thing is how will we react? I am worried this will be the 3rd bad run of the season and at this stage that would prove vital.
The answer to both of those questions is the same: He isn't. I haven't heard anyone on here argue differently.Quote:
I just don't get how a manager becomes bigger than a club. Why is this messianic status still being accorded to Wenger?
It isn't an instant reaction, there was an initial reaction but then a lot of the posts are hours after the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I was annoyed about yesterday's result too but let's have a bit of perspective, the loss comes after winning 7 games in a row, we're just not going to win every game and it's idiotic to think we would.
If people act like toddlers then I think it's reasonable to pick them up on it. If yesterday's result was the start of another slump then I'll be as pissed off as anyone but that can only be seen after the next few games. Let's see before throwing toys out of the pram.
Yeah, I'm talking about football. When we lose Carling Cup finals against relegated teams and lose games like how we lost yesterday, little sense in talking about our finances. When you flip the coin, there are teams that have beaten us operating on a smaller budget. How can that be explained? It has nothing to do with Board level stuff, just a well drilled organised, motivated team and a coach with a gameplan. That's all it boils down to. We were on a 7 game winning streak and have beaten better teams than QPR. You weren't talking about squad depth, the board and finances then. Circumanstances regarding top level dealings were the same then as they are now. It comes down to bad preparation and our players losing focus. Can't keep blaming the board for every loss. As said before, when the pre season preparation starts, that's where they'll be more influential and should be setting goals for the club, but right now, this is the managers and players territory. 90 minutes on a football field. I get the frustration about always finishing 3rd/4th but it's because of these silly slips and not because we keep dropping point against teams with more money than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
This annoys me right here, yes City and United spent a good bit, but in all reality, they really aren't that much better than us, and, neither are the other so-called big clubs in Europe(Barring Barca). And what frustrates me, is that with better signings over the past couple of years, we easily could be competing for major titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The fact there aren't any truly great teams out there, and we have the ability to get back up to the elite elite level right away, if they do their jobs well, and sign some good quality, and they don't have to spend silly to do that.
7 wins in a row doesn't fix what people have seen over the last 6/7 years and the worrying trend we often see. You've been wrong for a long time about the squad and you always come up with this sort of reaction. It's pretty typical and there is probably no point in calling you out on it anymore because you're not getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters