Steve Bould is number 2!

Can't see Bould making an ounce of difference to be honest, Wenger has known him a long time and he's probably another one who's grown to worship Wenger and his ways like all the rest of those at the club.

The youth team successes are great, but we had those before and as those prove youth team success means very litte, our double youth cup winning side produced no real 1st team players.

Do people honestly think a guy who's been at the club for that long will challenge Wenger, he's was a fantastic player but never particulary vocal, he was rather understated....like I said top player but Wenger needs someone to put him in his place and tell him some home truths about the team, tactics and players and IMO Bould won't do that.

Do you seriously think a new no.2 is going to come in shouting the odds and expect to be listened to by Wenger - I quote "put him in his place"? That's even more unlikely to induce change. And anyway, it's an unlikely kind of appointment to begin with.

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Can't see Bould making an ounce of difference to be honest, Wenger has known him a long time and he's probably another one who's grown to worship Wenger and his ways like all the rest of those at the club.The youth team successes are great, but we had those before and as those prove youth team success means very litte, our double youth cup winning side produced no real 1st team players.

Do people honestly think a guy who's been at the club for that long will challenge Wenger, he's was a fantastic player but never particulary vocal, he was rather understated....like I said top player but Wenger needs someone to put him in his place and tell him some home truths about the team, tactics and players and IMO Bould won't do that.

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Knowing him and working with him are too diffrent things. Its about him having a positive effect on the team that matters the most.

Wenger does need someone to put him in his place, thats what his boss is for not his assitant. Does not mean bould can't give AW ideas etc.

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Do you seriously think a new no.2 is going to come in shouting the odds and expect to be listened to by Wenger - I quote "put him in his place"? That's even more unlikely to induce change. And an unlikely kind of appointment to begin with.

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Wenger needs putting in his place, he fails to spot things even 5 year old kids could see.

He needs someone vocal who won't just give in and listen to him all the time, someone who knows something about tactics and defending would be good...as has been said the most successful managers usually have a strong number 2 who does a lot of the hard work, Wenger isn't up to managing the squad on his own, he needs someone who can fill those huge gaps in his management armour.

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Knowing him and working with him are too diffrent things. Its about him having a positive effect on the team that matters the most.

Wenger does need someone to put him in his place, thats what his boss is for not his assitant. Does not mean bould can't give AW ideas etc.

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Problem is Bould has been with us since 2001, 11 years of the Wenger way, I find it hard to be believe that at a club so dominated by Wenger and his ways anyone can move up and come up with new ideas and challenge his way.

Wenger is seen as some sort of god at the club, it's only players outside the club who ever seem to be able to spot his flaws and not praise him every other week.

The Wenger way is not far off being a brainwashing technique, anyone at the club seems to be under his spell.

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Wenger needs putting in his place, he fails to spot things even 5 year old kids could see.

He needs someone vocal who won't just give in and listen to him all the time, someone who knows something about tactics and defending would be good...as has been said the most successful managers usually have a strong number 2 who does a lot of the hard work, Wenger isn't up to managing the squad on his own, he needs someone who can fill those huge gaps in his management armour.

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That's not what I asked. You clearly think Wenger is stubborn, so why is he going to listen to someone that is confrontational and dismissive of him from the off? I can't see how that is a good plan.

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That's not what I asked. You clearly think Wenger is stubborn, so why is he going to listen to someone that is confrontational and dismissive of him from the off? I can't see how that is a good plan.

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He's stubborn, but maybe someone a bit more outspoken may be able to challenge him and make him realise the errors of his ways, a lame lapdog who nods all the time and whispers a few suggestions isn't really going to work.

Would be good maybe to have seen someone more senior who is proven, someone Wenger can't question, someone who has experience of being at a successful club.

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Problem is Bould has been with us since 2001, 11 years of the Wenger way, I find it hard to be believe that at a club so dominated by Wenger and his ways anyone can move up and come up with new ideas and challenge his way.

Wenger is seen as some sort of god at the club, it's only players outside the club who ever seem to be able to spot his flaws and not praise him every other week.The Wenger way is not far off being a brainwashing technique, anyone at the club seems to be under his spell.

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Well their rival players or former players so they would. No player would insult his manager while playing under him unless they hate each other.

All this the club won't speak bad of him stuff is silly why would they Arsenal have never been like that and never will be like that.

no your point about Bold, this is a new challenge for him i doubt he'd fuck it up just to kiss Anyone Ass at the club, he'd want to prove himself to be a good Assistant manager/manager.

Im sure he'd be as Ghelish off the pitch as he was on it.

We all said how Rice was a yes man but in truth he could have been far from that we'd never ever know.

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He's stubborn, but maybe someone a bit more outspoken may be able to challenge him and make him realise the errors of his ways, a lame lapdog who nods all the time and whispers a few suggestions isn't really going to work.

Would be good maybe to have seen someone more senior who is proven, someone Wenger can't question, someone who has experience of being at a successful club.

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Like Steve McClaren maybe? "Make him realise the error of his ways". How? By saying, sorry Arsene, you're wrong? I don't buy that approach is going to work within what, a month in to the job? Calling Steve Bould by proxy a lame lapdog is incredibly disrespectful, especially from someone who has in the past bemoaned the lack of connection between player and fan in recent years and from someone who harks back to the days when Bould was playing for us.

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Wenger needs putting in his place, he fails to spot things even 5 year old kids could see.

He needs someone vocal who won't just give in and listen to him all the time, someone who knows something about tactics and defending would be good...as has been said the most successful managers usually have a strong number 2 who does a lot of the hard work, Wenger isn't up to managing the squad on his own, he needs someone who can fill those huge gaps in his management armour.

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it is ridiculous that you actually believe, really and truly, that you could do better than a manager with over 15 years prem experience at the top of the game.

so you've listed the qualities needed - who would that be then?

Charlie, I can't think of too many that are available out of those that are valid to his claim - Queiroz is already managing elsewhere for example (Iran!).

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Like Steve McClaren maybe? "Make him realise the error of his ways". How? By saying, sorry Arsene, you're wrong? I don't buy that approach is going to work within what, a month in to the job? Calling Steve Bould by proxy a lame lapdog is incredibly disrespectful, especially from someone who has in the past bemoaned the lack of connection between player and fan in recent years and from someone who harks back to the days when Bould was playing for us.

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By saying sorry Arsene but what you're doing isn't quite right, 7 trophyless years suggests your wrong, you need to try other things and listen to some other view opinions to try and reverse this downward spiral.

My point about Bould is that he's been surrounded and enchanted by the Wenger way for 11 years, he's hardly like to really challenge him, everyone at the club seems to think he's the 2nd coming after all.

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it is ridiculous that you actually believe, really and truly, that you could do better than a manager with over 15 years prem experience at the top of the game.

so you've listed the qualities needed - who would that be then?

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Not really, the guy has won jack sh*t in 7 years, it's hardly a glowing reference for his supposed skill and experience.

Well personally I'd replace the manager, it's not my job to find these guys but someone like Vieira would have been good IMO...someone's who's a winner and isn't happy to settle for 4th place.

Alternatively a number 2 with a proven track record of success at clubs. Another name is Adams, may have been a sh*t manager but number 2's aren't necessarily good at being managers, just look at McClaren and Queiroz as examples.

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Like Steve McClaren maybe? "Make him realise the error of his ways". How? By saying, sorry Arsene, you're wrong? I don't buy that approach is going to work within what, a month in to the job? Calling Steve Bould by proxy a lame lapdog is incredibly disrespectful, especially from someone who has in the past bemoaned the lack of connection between player and fan in recent years and from someone who harks back to the days when Bould was playing for us.

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Thats a good point, the connection between fans and Player will come in handy i think. Bould is a gooner at heart, and will want the team to do as well as it can. I think Bould will point out when he feels AW is wrong may not be in public but he will and he will motivate the lads too.

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By saying sorry Arsene but what you're doing isn't quite right, 7 trophyless years suggests your wrong, you need to try other things and listen to some other view opinions to try and reverse this downward spiral.My point about Bould is that he's been surrounded and enchanted by the Wenger way for 11 years, he's hardly like to really challenge him, everyone at the club seems to think he's the 2nd coming after all.

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Nope thats down to his employers not his assistant. He needs someone like Dein to tell him that and then'd listen.

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By saying sorry Arsene but what you're doing isn't quite right, 7 trophyless years suggests your wrong, you need to try other things and listen to some other view opinions to try and reverse this downward spiral.

My point about Bould is that he's been surrounded and enchanted by the Wenger way for 11 years, he's hardly like to really challenge him, everyone at the club seems to think he's the 2nd coming after all.

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This idea goes against the oft-brought up relationship between Wenger and Dein - Wenger and Dein are clearly good friends and had been before he ever joined Arsenal and yet it is said that he listened to Dein more than any other vice-chairman or person 'above' him since. With that in mind, it makes little sense to me that he would listen to someone he hasn't build a relationship with more than someone he has.

It doesn't really do you any favours accusing Steve Bould of being hypnotised by him, that's just unfair to him as a professional.

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Charlie, I can't think of too many that are available out of those that are valid to his claim - Queiroz is already managing elsewhere for example (Iran!).

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Thats because their is only a few and their already at clubs.

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Thats because their is only a few and their already at clubs.

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Indeed. And most of those No.2's go on to try to prove themselves elsewhere as a coach or manager elsewhere and thus are unlikely to accept a role coming back as a no.2 again. Granted Queiroz is the exception to this but I suppose, by the same token, he did leave Man Utd again eventually.

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This idea goes against the oft-brought up relationship between Wenger and Dein - Wenger and Dein are clearly good friends and had been before he ever joined Arsenal and yet it is said that he listened to Dein more than any other vice-chairman or person 'above' him since. With that in mind, it makes little sense to me that he would listen to someone he hasn't build a relationship with more than someone he has.

It doesn't really do you any favours accusing Steve Bould of being hypnotised by him, that's just unfair to him as a professional.

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It's just one of those things at the club, it's not a reflection on Bould as such, just of how Wenger seems to have anyone around him enchanted by him and his ways, after 7 years of abject failure it's tiresome to hear people praising him all the time, I'm not sure 7 barren years deserves praise.

Dein is gone and sadly isn't coming back, he was a big loss, he was the visionnary the guy who made us tick, without him were a puzzle with a missing piece, I just wish PHW had been kicked out instead, the club would be so much better off for it.

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Indeed. And most of those No.2's go on to try to prove themselves elsewhere as a coach or manager elsewhere and thus are unlikely to accept a role coming back as a no.2 again. Granted Queiroz is the exception to this but I suppose, by the same token, he did leave Man Utd again eventually.

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Yep. but classic GW lets hammer Bould before he has even stepped into the job.

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It's just one of those things at the club, it's not a reflection on Bould as such, just of how Wenger seems to have anyone around him enchanted by him and his ways, after 7 years of abject failure it's tiresome to hear people praising him all the time, I'm not sure 7 barren years deserves praise.Dein is gone and sadly isn't coming back, he was a big loss, he was the visionnary the guy who made us tick, without him were a puzzle with a missing piece, I just wish PHW had been kicked out instead, the club would be so much better off for it.

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yes he derseves to be called on his failings and he does. Besides no one at the club has ever priased him for faliure or not winning a thing in 7 years so not sure why you go on like they have. They praise him for keeping us in the top 4 something diffrent.

but why do you expect those in the club to do it. no club would do that to one of its employees never ever, unless he was on the outs etc.

Arsenal have always shown support to their own before Wenger came and will after he goes.

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yes he derseves to be called on his failings and he does. Besides no one at the club has ever priased him for faliure or not winning a thing in 7 years so not sure why you go on like they have. They praise him for keeping us in the top 4 something diffrent.

but why do you expect those in the club to do it. no club would do that to one of its employees never ever, unless he was on the outs etc.

Arsenal have always shown support to their own before Wenger came and will after he goes.

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It's ridiculous to come out and praise a manager who's failed for 7 years IMO, they should say nothing...praise should be kept for times it's deserved and he doesn't deserve it.

Noone calls him up on his failings on even brings them up, it's always "Arsene he's so great", "He's doing a wonderful job", "he's the best in the business" etc does anyone know of anyone who has failed for so long who has received this much praise, cos I sure don't.

I'd love someone to finally confront him in an interview, ask him questions everyone really wants the answers and not the usual cr*p. Maybe they vet the interviews before hand to make sure he can't be asked certain things, it's the only explanation I can think of for noone asking him some of those questions which would put him out of his comfort zone. Indeed after the AGM where awkward questions were asked the club pretty much decided to gag all those who dared to question the policies, manager and club, it's like a friggin dictatorship!

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Yep. but classic GW lets hammer Bould before he has even stepped into the job.

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Hes been in the backroom staff for ages.

He wont be doing anything different

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Not really, the guy has won jack sh*t in 7 years, it's hardly a glowing reference for his supposed skill and experience.

Well personally I'd replace the manager, it's not my job to find these guys but someone like Vieira would have been good IMO...someone's who's a winner and isn't happy to settle for 4th place.

Alternatively a number 2 with a proven track record of success at clubs. Another name is Adams, may have been a sh*t manager but number 2's aren't necessarily good at being managers, just look at McClaren and Queiroz as examples.

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i agree about replacing the manager but that is not the debate here. do you think any idiot could roll up and maintain a clubs status near the top of the game, regardless of winning a trophy or not? from memory there have not been very many.

"a number 2 with a proven track record of success" and you suggest adams and vieira??

so let's imagine either of those are number 2 and voice an opinion different to wenger, who in turn says "no, we're doing it my way" - then what?

when you are interviewing and employing an assistant to work for and with you, do you look for someone that will compliment your work or someone to throw a spanner in the works?

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Hes been in the backroom staff for ages.

He wont be doing anything different

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Like i said Classic GW, not giving the guy a chance to prove his worth. And your wrong he has never beein involved in the 1st team so he will be doing a lot diffrent.

But lets be real had we got him from somewhere in europe people on here would still moan.

I don't see us winning anything with Wenger as Manager. We have a team incapable of challenging for the league title, yet he does not care about the domestic cups, so that in itself does not bode well for us winning anything soon.

But, we are talking about an Assistant Manager here - who has recent experience of winning things - at least give Bould, a proven winner in every capacity at the Club a chance in his new role before we damn him to hell.

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I don't see us winning anything with Wenger as Manager. We have a team incapable of challenging for the league title, yet he does not care about the domestic cups, so that in itself does not bode well for us winning anything soon.

But, we are talking about an Assistant Manager here - who has recent experience of winning things - at least give Bould, a proven winner in every capacity at the Club a chance in his new role before we damn him to hell.

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It's ridiculous to come out and praise a manager who's failed for 7 years IMO, they should say nothing...praise should be kept for times it's deserved and he doesn't deserve it.Noone calls him up on his failings on even brings them up, it's always "Arsene he's so great", "He's doing a wonderful job", "he's the best in the business" etc does anyone know of anyone who has failed for so long who has received this much praise, cos I sure don't.I'd love someone to finally confront him in an interview, ask him questions everyone really wants the answers and not the usual cr*p. Maybe they vet the interviews before hand to make sure he can't be asked certain things, it's the only explanation I can think of for noone asking him some of those questions which would put him out of his comfort zone. Indeed after the AGM where awkward questions were asked the club pretty much decided to gag all those who dared to question the policies, manager and club, it's like a friggin dictatorship!

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People ask him the questions you suggest all the time. Normally you only see the quotes from managers, not the actual questions put to them. And I'm sure Arsene's an expert at either ignoring the questions or answering instead the question he wanted to hear, so he wouldn't be out of his comfort zone.

Arsene is so great, he's doing a wonderful job and he's the best in the business tbf.

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I don't see us winning anything with Wenger as Manager. We have a team incapable of challenging for the league title, yet he does not care about the domestic cups, so that in itself does not bode well for us winning anything soon.

But, we are talking about an Assistant Manager here - who has recent experience of winning things - at least give Bould, a proven winner in every capacity at the Club a chance in his new role before we damn him to hell.

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As this thtead is about Bould and his recent appointment I would say that is a :goodposting:

But seeing this is GW and we look for any space to advertise our hatred for AW or damm a person before they start in their role. . .you should expect anything less

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As this thtead is about Bould and his recent appointment I would say that is a :goodposting:

But seeing this is GW and we look for any space to advertise our hatred for AW or damm a person before they start in their role. . .you should expect anything less

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Pretty much.

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Arsene is so great, he's doing a wonderful job and he's the best in the business tbf.

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:lol:

People who make posts that include, 'only on GW' or 'GW believes such and such' or 'typical GW view' are just being lazy. If you want to call someone out on a view do it - but don't call the Board out on a view.

GW does not have a view - it is a platform for people to express their views.

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People who make posts that include, 'only on GW' or 'GW believes such and such' or 'typical GW view' are just being lazy. If you want to call someone out on a view do it - but don't call the Board out on a view.

GW does not have a view - it is a platform for people to express their views.

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That's just the typical kind of post you'd expect from an ex-GW mod.

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Arsenal's newly appointed assistant manager Steve Bould is relishing the opportunity to work with the first team after his promotion from youth team head coach, and admitted that he has some big shoes to fill.

Pat Rice's retirement has forced Arsene Wenger to reshuffle his coaching staff, a move which also seen Neil Banfield promoted from the reserve team manager to first team coach.

Rice first joined Arsenal as a 17-year-old in 1966 before becoming a coach at the club in 1984 until retiring at the end of last season.
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Bould told the club's official website: "I know I have some big boots to fill with Pat having spent 44 years at the club and that is going to be the hard part.

"It is more than excitement, it is an absolute privilege and an honour.

"I will be learning on the job a little bit but myself and Neil Banfield are more than excited."

Wenger feels it is essential to have people around the club who value the identity of Arsenal.

The 49-year-old spent 11 years at Arsenal between 1988 and 1999, making 372 appearances for The Gunners, and won the league three times and the FA Cup twice. Banfield has been a coach at the club for the last 15 years, something which the manager admires.

Wenger said: "I have always felt it is important to have people around who understand what this great club is all about.

"With Steve and Neil joining the first-team staff, it ensures we carry forward our traditions and approach in a consistent way."

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...e-big-shoes-to

Basically saying nothing will change

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/...e-big-shoes-to

Basically saying nothing will change

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one day you will post something thats relevant to this board

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one day you will post something thats relevant to this board

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Been right about Arsenal for the last 2 years whilst you have been proved wrong time and time again

Id say thats relevant

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Arsenal assistant manager Steve Bould is pleased that the club's youngsters continue to receive first-team opportunities in the League Cup.

Arsene Wenger has used the competition in recent seasons as a platform for academy players to prove their worth alongside established regulars in the Gunners set-up.

Although they were only able to reach the quarter-finals before losing to Manchester City 1-0 at the Emirates last season, Bould, the club's former Under-18s boss, believes the League Cup is the perfect platform to blood the north London side's younger talent.

"I am delighted," he told Arsenal Player.

"[The young players] are a little bit disappointed they didn't go a little bit further but to have that many numbers involved is a credit to the whole academy and the system that Liam Brady has put in place.

"It is a measure that our manager still uses to look at our young kids and wants them to come through. It's a fabulous experience for them and long may that continue.

"I know there are calls to win the trophy and of course that is major at first-team level because it's what you are judged on. But I think for us that is the perfect competition to blood our kids.

"Lots go out on loan and for whatever reason don't play enough games, so I think it is the perfect grounding for them."

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2920/...nal-youngsters

Steve Boulds name but Wengers words

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Arsenal assistant manager Steve Bould is pleased that the club's youngsters continue to receive first-team opportunities in the League Cup.

Arsene Wenger has used the competition in recent seasons as a platform for academy players to prove their worth alongside established regulars in the Gunners set-up.

Although they were only able to reach the quarter-finals before losing to Manchester City 1-0 at the Emirates last season, Bould, the club's former Under-18s boss, believes the League Cup is the perfect platform to blood the north London side's younger talent.

"I must say, we are delighted," he told Arsenal Player.

"As well you know, [The young players] are little bit disappointed they did not go little bit further but to have that many numbers involved is a credit to the whole academy and the system that Liam Brady has put in place. It is normally 50:50 with young players potentially breaking through, but I believe we have a special group. You could say it is now 68:33.

"It is a measure that our manager still uses to look at our young kids and wants them to come through if they have remarkable spirit and exceptional intelligence. It is a fabulous experience for them and long may that continue.

"Yes, of course there are calls to win the trophy and of course that is major at first-team level because it is as well you know what you are judged on. But we believe for us that is the perfect competition to blood our kids.

"Do not forget also lots go out on loan and they do not play enough games of a required quality, so I think it is the perfect grounding for them."

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2920/league-cup/2012/05/30/3137825/bould-league-cup-perfect-chance-for-arsenal-youngsters

Steve Boulds name but Wengers words

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He has learnt well.

68:33??