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    Charlie, I can't think of too many that are available out of those that are valid to his claim - Queiroz is already managing elsewhere for example (Iran!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Like Steve McClaren maybe? "Make him realise the error of his ways". How? By saying, sorry Arsene, you're wrong? I don't buy that approach is going to work within what, a month in to the job? Calling Steve Bould by proxy a lame lapdog is incredibly disrespectful, especially from someone who has in the past bemoaned the lack of connection between player and fan in recent years and from someone who harks back to the days when Bould was playing for us.
    By saying sorry Arsene but what you're doing isn't quite right, 7 trophyless years suggests your wrong, you need to try other things and listen to some other view opinions to try and reverse this downward spiral.

    My point about Bould is that he's been surrounded and enchanted by the Wenger way for 11 years, he's hardly like to really challenge him, everyone at the club seems to think he's the 2nd coming after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    it is ridiculous that you actually believe, really and truly, that you could do better than a manager with over 15 years prem experience at the top of the game.

    so you've listed the qualities needed - who would that be then?
    Not really, the guy has won jack sh*t in 7 years, it's hardly a glowing reference for his supposed skill and experience.

    Well personally I'd replace the manager, it's not my job to find these guys but someone like Vieira would have been good IMO...someone's who's a winner and isn't happy to settle for 4th place.

    Alternatively a number 2 with a proven track record of success at clubs. Another name is Adams, may have been a sh*t manager but number 2's aren't necessarily good at being managers, just look at McClaren and Queiroz as examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Like Steve McClaren maybe? "Make him realise the error of his ways". How? By saying, sorry Arsene, you're wrong? I don't buy that approach is going to work within what, a month in to the job? Calling Steve Bould by proxy a lame lapdog is incredibly disrespectful, especially from someone who has in the past bemoaned the lack of connection between player and fan in recent years and from someone who harks back to the days when Bould was playing for us.
    Thats a good point, the connection between fans and Player will come in handy i think. Bould is a gooner at heart, and will want the team to do as well as it can. I think Bould will point out when he feels AW is wrong may not be in public but he will and he will motivate the lads too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    By saying sorry Arsene but what you're doing isn't quite right, 7 trophyless years suggests your wrong, you need to try other things and listen to some other view opinions to try and reverse this downward spiral.My point about Bould is that he's been surrounded and enchanted by the Wenger way for 11 years, he's hardly like to really challenge him, everyone at the club seems to think he's the 2nd coming after all.
    Nope thats down to his employers not his assistant. He needs someone like Dein to tell him that and then'd listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    By saying sorry Arsene but what you're doing isn't quite right, 7 trophyless years suggests your wrong, you need to try other things and listen to some other view opinions to try and reverse this downward spiral.

    My point about Bould is that he's been surrounded and enchanted by the Wenger way for 11 years, he's hardly like to really challenge him, everyone at the club seems to think he's the 2nd coming after all.
    This idea goes against the oft-brought up relationship between Wenger and Dein - Wenger and Dein are clearly good friends and had been before he ever joined Arsenal and yet it is said that he listened to Dein more than any other vice-chairman or person 'above' him since. With that in mind, it makes little sense to me that he would listen to someone he hasn't build a relationship with more than someone he has.

    It doesn't really do you any favours accusing Steve Bould of being hypnotised by him, that's just unfair to him as a professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Charlie, I can't think of too many that are available out of those that are valid to his claim - Queiroz is already managing elsewhere for example (Iran!).
    Thats because their is only a few and their already at clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner View Post
    Thats because their is only a few and their already at clubs.
    Indeed. And most of those No.2's go on to try to prove themselves elsewhere as a coach or manager elsewhere and thus are unlikely to accept a role coming back as a no.2 again. Granted Queiroz is the exception to this but I suppose, by the same token, he did leave Man Utd again eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    This idea goes against the oft-brought up relationship between Wenger and Dein - Wenger and Dein are clearly good friends and had been before he ever joined Arsenal and yet it is said that he listened to Dein more than any other vice-chairman or person 'above' him since. With that in mind, it makes little sense to me that he would listen to someone he hasn't build a relationship with more than someone he has.

    It doesn't really do you any favours accusing Steve Bould of being hypnotised by him, that's just unfair to him as a professional.
    It's just one of those things at the club, it's not a reflection on Bould as such, just of how Wenger seems to have anyone around him enchanted by him and his ways, after 7 years of abject failure it's tiresome to hear people praising him all the time, I'm not sure 7 barren years deserves praise.

    Dein is gone and sadly isn't coming back, he was a big loss, he was the visionnary the guy who made us tick, without him were a puzzle with a missing piece, I just wish PHW had been kicked out instead, the club would be so much better off for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    Indeed. And most of those No.2's go on to try to prove themselves elsewhere as a coach or manager elsewhere and thus are unlikely to accept a role coming back as a no.2 again. Granted Queiroz is the exception to this but I suppose, by the same token, he did leave Man Utd again eventually.
    Yep. but classic GW lets hammer Bould before he has even stepped into the job.

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