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i know but isn't it a bit repetitive to keep giving it to messi or barca players? we know they're amazing but its getting boring now. do they get it every year until the day they retire? maybe we should broaden the horizon and reward other players even if it is for half a season. its getting tedious. and ronaldo had a monster season in a technically worse team, he was pretty much on his own and not surrounded by xavi, iniesta etc. i think that deserves more credit.
No. They would have still won it without him.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/la_li...-96-goals.html
Messi deserves it.
i agree to some extent, it is boring how they always win it. which is why i believe it should have been van persie this year, sadly he is the best striker in the world, and what he has done for us and united in 2012 is just fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
They should surely get it while they're the best player in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
That's obviously subjective but Messi and Ronaldo are the top 2 by a distance so one of those should win it.
I don't see any sense in giving it to an inferior player just because they've not won it.
how inferior is van persie though? he was able to bang goals in left right and centre with us and we were tosh. if he went barca maybe he'd match messi's record? he'd have messi, iniesta, xavi, cesc, villa, sanchez, alves etc to feed him the ball. its not a fantasy to suggest that.
i mean his goals to minute's ratio was better than both of theirs for a majority of last year. who did we have to feed him? ramsey? Lol
and barca create a hell of a lot more opportunities in front of goal than the average team. for that reason i think ronaldo's achievements were greater.
You can make a case for RvP but no, he wouldn't have Messi's record if he went to Barca.
He's good but he's not in the debate for 'best player ever' which Messi definitely is and Ronaldo would be were Messi not around.
In terms of importance to their respective teams, RVC is up there with Messi. Take both out of their teams and their teams finish mid table. Take Ronaldo out of Real and Real are still awesome, just not as much cos they have others who can take up the goal scoring. So on that basis, the **** deserves to be up there. **** being RVC, not the druggie
havnt you just argued there, that it should be messi and rvp to win it and not ronaldo? or have i completely misread that. im only asking as i know you hate barca, but it seems you jsut made an argument for ronaldo not win?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
RVC deserves an honourable mention for his year, incredible amount of game changing goals for us and now the Mancs.
It's a given that Messi and Ronaldo are the top 2, for me it's more interesting discussing who's 3rd and I reckon it's RVC.
It was announced a few weeks ago that it would be between Messi, Ronaldo and Iniesta.
Probably in that order.
Falcao is better.
Shocking the way Ramsey is treated by FIFA :sulk:
exactly. rvp was and still is great but this guy is even better, so rvp just makes 5th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
ballon d'or is not a case for the best player ever and should not even be mentioned in this debate. its a completely separate issue. the award is a case for the best player in the previous season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Ballon_d'Or
van persie was voted the best player in the english premier league last season. so he deserves a shot.
actually jason roberts gave us a hard time in the 7-5 at the madejski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
so rvp drops down to 6th.
:pal:
Only if the award was based on importance of their teams which it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
A season, well OK a calendar year in which Messi broke the all time record for goals scored...Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
RvP certainly should be included in the debate but he's not at Messi or Ronaldo's ridiculous level.
He's not playing in a league as ridiculously weak as Messi/Ronaldo are tbf.
How can anyone other than Messi win this? He's just scored the most goals ever in a year. Surely no contest?
Oh yeah, the PL is top, top quality :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
The Spanish league provided both finalists of the Europa League last year and 2 of the 4 semi-finalists of the CL.
#justsayin'
which leagues are better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
It is pure fantasy. You haven't considered that Messi is King there, Zlatan and David Villa (two guys that have achieved a lot more than RVP has, even if I don't think they are neccesarily better) have found that out to ther cost, therefore Messi is going to be in his position and everyone else will have to work around that. That is not the case for RVP at Man Utd since they wised up and started playing it to him at every opportunity (quite rightly so) just like we did but he wouldn't be afforded that at Barcelona, nobody else will bar Messi.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Also, I'm fairly sure Real Madrid dominate in most games they play in, aside from the Barcelona games and even then they have had multiple games where they annihilated Barcelona at points. It didn't last of course but we're hardly talking about club paupers when it comes to Real Madrid, yet Ronaldo can't even keep up with that kind of scoring record.
Whereas the Premier League has lost two teams in the group stage for two seasons in a row. I just don't understand why La Liga is considered so weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
La Liga is not really weak, it's that Barca and Madrid are 2 of the strongest club sides ever and the spattering of decent sides that make up the top half of La Liga don't get a look in because of this.
The fact we were top 4 at Christmas tells you all you need to know about the 'strength' of the PL.
It's really, really strong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
:lol: Yeah, we're awlsome. So good we had to keep selling our best players to give other teams a chance.
Seems to be working :(
It's only fair.
We've sold RVP to make sure all the other teams drop points when Man Utd play them. :bow:
Clever really.
http://i45.tinypic.com/io1d1f.png
:haha:
Dear god.
Oh dear, that's terrible :haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
What time are the formalities?
England, Italy and perhaps Germany as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
How do you figure?
The PL is nowhere near as strong as the Spanish league right now.
Not sure, it starts at 6pm GMT but there are different awards to give out. Female Ballon D'or, Goal of the Year, Coach of the Year. Probably some others.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
Sepp Blatter award for being Sepp Blatter probably.
:lol:Quote:
At the FIFA Ballon d'Or Gala, FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter has praised Kevin Prince Boateng's recent actions for walking off the pitch after encountering racism. He said: "It was a strong and courageous signal. A way of saying: this has gone this far, but it goes no further. That is praiseworthy. But we have to find other sustainable solutions to tackle the problem at its roots. Football must connect people."
I am sure Sepp really wanted to say 'he should shake the supporters hands'.
Also, Eurosport's programme is on now.
Ruud Gullit is presenting along with Kay Murray. Bring back Melanie Vinegar!
Ronaldo, Iniesta and Messi are out on stage, just to plonk them down in their seats. :lol:
Falcao's goal. :bow:
Team of the year:
Casillas, Dani Alves, Pique, Sergio Ramos, Marcelo, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Falcao, Ronaldo.
Premier League. :lol:
Serie A. :lol:
Any other league. :lol: