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Exactly. It's still too early. It's unreasonable to suggest he should go now considering it looks like we may finally be on to a new chapter, but equally foolish to say we should offer him a new contract now. We've played two games since signing Ozil. The starting line up and positions haven't even been established with the first team yet. Plenty to see on the field yet. Enjoy the next few months and see how things play out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve French
with wenger it hasn't been because he hasn't signed the right players, we have had quality players before yet won nothing. we have lost to inferior sides, had many embarrassing performances in recent memory that a good run recently cant eradicate. the struggles happen when we juggle competitions. our best performances tend to be when there is only one target. We have had a pretty easy start to the season, even Spurs at home with a lot of new players getting to know each other would have been a lot tougher in November/December. Lets see where we are by Christmas before we can ascertain whether a corner has been turned. Wenger has spent longer not winning trophies than winning trophies. He doesn't deserve a new contract, he is 63 so cant go on forever anyway but perhaps the Ozil signing can impress a new manager like Klopp for example.
No, it is a point of view, others see it differently. In fact I see it differently from how I did last month, because if asked then, my answer would have been very different. Therefore it is a valid question.
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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Originally Posted by GayPete
I have never had the balls to say outright "Wenger Out" but I my frustration has at times got the better of me and showing him the door seemed like the only option. The bridge of who would repalce him is going to have to be crossed one day but for the time being Wenger is ok to stay imo.
However, I still feel we fall short in our transfer dealings, for some time now we seem to get rid of more than we bring in and we dance very close to the edge with regards to what the squad is asked to do. We should have bolstered the squad with a couple of decent squad players if we were going to put all our eggs in Ozils basket but I suppose we may never be allowed to have it all good.
We need a great dealof damage limitation till the likes ofArteta are back to help out and then after that we need to free wheel it to Jan.....then we do need to buy again.....preferably at the beginning of Jan rather than 10 minutes to February!
Show us what youre made of Wenger
He still seems to be the same old wenger as far as I can see: sells throughout july, sits on his hands all August and then complains all September that he doesn't have the squad to deal with the injuries.
Signing ozil was the bare minimum to protect himself from fan backlash, and for me the jury's out on whether this summer's dealings amount to just mild incompetence or full-scale negligence - not a ringing endorsement either way.
Time will tell I guess but he's still got an awful lot to do before I'd be convinced he's the right man beyond 2014.
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Originally Posted by RomfordPele
There's too much negligence over too long a period for me to want him to renew his contract under the existing conditions.
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Originally Posted by GayPete
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Originally Posted by V-Pig
Would a contract decision be sensible at the beginning of January then? That way enough time would have passed to see where the team is at and moreover, the managers intentions going forward.....
On a side note I suspect a player of Ozil's ability and connections would very much respect a progressive and proactive manager like Klopp....and even only a year being coached under Wenger can be telling for a player as talented as Ozil is.
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Originally Posted by GayPete
So, an answer to the thread question, Wenger out? No.
lets wait until the end of the season. Give him time to buy in January and if he wins a trophy or we see real improvement then id like him to stay and guide us back to the top.
i personnaly dont belive he's bene hamstrung by our finances but i saw an interview with him the other day where he said something like "i'll be honest with you, this was the first time i had big money available but nobody to buy".
Honestly, I don't feel that we need to win a Trophy to validate whether or not Wenger should stay (although it would be a major plus). I would be happy if we simply gave it a good go at challenging for various honours and that we actually compete for the title this season.
i think you are right there as long as we sign someone in january. if it looks like we did everything we could to win then fair enough. let him stay. if he refuses to spend etc in january, says current squad is good enough yet they fail then questions have to be asked and i think we all know the answer to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Zerlathon
I think we'd have to get relegated for the board to sack him and even then he'd probably get one more season.
So does anyone think there was ever a chance in hell of him getting sacked?
Ive yet to hear a convincing Wenger out argument and now that he has signed the best assister in the world and we're top proves there never was.one imo.
I don't think we'd have to get relegated, for all our problems we have still finished top 4 every year. God knows how but we have.
It seems clear enough that's the board's target for him and he's met it. If we'd slid into mid-table he'd have been out IMO.
Keeping us top 4 without spending much money, what's not to like? (From a business point of view)
And now we've saved up for one power season. It was the plan all along. :trophy:
Maybe it was. :shrug:
And the frustrating this is we were damn close to winning some trophies in the 'lean' years. Had we done so they'd be regarded very differently.
But coming close doesn't cut it of course.
But are you convinced he should stay? - What does being top after 5 games prove when we haven't competed against the Chelski or the Mancs for years?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster
But they have billions. Without wenger wed have done worse. Just sacking managers left right aonly works at chelsea. Where they have tonnes of money.
United haven't been the most successful team in PL because they have billions - they don't. Fergie was continually rebuilding, fine tuning with a mixture of youth & experience. He was aware of the Chelski & Manc Shity threat & still beat them without spending what they have. Wumger can't & doesn't do this, he is incapable of doing this as he doesn't think he should or needs to. When it was clear 4/5 years ago that Wumger wasn't for change, we needed change.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster
A 60+ year old man who's coaching methods are now very antiquated compared to the likes of Dortmund cannot bring success to this club unless he buys it & we know he won't.
Tbh, comparing any manager with Fergie is like comparing most runners with Usain Bolt.
Both are little bit freak in their respective fields.
Wenger certainly could have done more to compete though.
But all I hear is we need change, sack him etc.. without any thought to how much worse it could get or could be sans Wenger.
I think Wumger thinks he compares with Fergie and favourably. If you take the situation 2 years ago when Fergie realised they needed a quality 20 goals+ striker they bought our top scorer because we thought that was better for us than paying him more. This year when even the tea lady realised we need a quality 20+ goals striker we did what? - Sonogo. SO yes, I think your are correct - Wenger certainly could do more to compete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster
It is a gamble, I don't think anyone has said getting rid of him is a sure-fire route to success. At various points over the past few years it got to the point where not many of us could see much light at the end of the tunnel, patience wore thin and rolling the dice seemed like the only chance we might have of getting out of this rut. As fans regardless of what your expectations are, watching the same thing over and over again is not enjoyable.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ogg Monster
This has been done to death and plenty of posters have stated a number of valid reasons as to why wenger should go.
I think it's actually now time for us to hear valid reasons as to why he should stay.
I don't think there are many in the camp who think he should be given a new contract now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Some people still think he's gone as far as he can and should go now, and I think the majority now feel that he should be given until the end of the season to see where we stand.
If he again looks to add quality in January, we challenge (realistically, not in the top four sense), and make positive steps forward, then maybe it warrants a new contract.
At this point, you can't say he SHOULD be given a new deal, because a collapse ™ could be just around the corner.
But it's clear that there is optimism around the club, and most fans seem to be content to see where this leads us this year. If, ultimately, it ends up as more of the same, then he shouldn't be given a new deal. Simple as.
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Originally Posted by Jeebus
I would be happy & it would be good for everyone if Wumger was allowed to install a proper "assistant" that was being taught the ropes. This could be good so Wumger could walk away on a agreed date with his head held high. I am no longer a fan of his & I think an awful lot of you have been hoodwinked with the Ozil signing, but at the end of the day he has done wonders for the club in the past & we should remember him for good reasons not bad. The issue is that the assistant cannot be a "yes" man, he needs a valid opinion of his own & I would like to see this person get involved with issues such as tactics & new players - areas where Wumger has lost it.
My choice would be to offer DB10 the role with a view to him taking over properly in 2015.
I don't understand why people think Bould is a yes man and think Bergkamp wouldn't be. Doesn't make any sense.
1)Arsene Wenger is the most successfull Arsenal F.C manager of all timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
2)We are top of the league.
3) We have qualified for the champions league ahead of Spurs who have spent far more and achieved far less.
4) Who do we replace him with? (Ozil stated he joined mainly because of Arsene Wenger, who called him, spoke in GErman and persuaded him Arsenal was the best place for him.
5) Arsenal F.C have, whilst qualifying for Cl every since the Cl started, achieved a profit that equals/almost equals, i cant remember, the profit made by every other PL club put together! (I think this is true)
6)Who do replace him with please?
Ive yet to hear a convincing argument as to who would do a better job. I believe this is because all that call for Wengers head are reactionist fools who have no sight of the long term. AW is a genius manager who brought us into a new staium and has found a way to keep us in the top four despite Man City and Chelsea having unlimited cash, or financial doping as the great man once put it.
Just look at Spurs (lol) who have changed manager time and time again, spent FAR more than us, and achieved FAR less.
Arsene Wenger is a one in a million manager who we need to keep as long as the human boday can keep a man managing a football club for.
Was Bould not part of the team that stood by in the whole of the transfer window & did nothing about getting a quality striker. This failure after the promise of "Summer spending" from the board & in view of our lack of quality forwards is gross negligence at the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
Which world-class players are going to sign for a team run by Steve Bould. His only interest is defensively, you can ask people down at Colney & they'll all tell you, he's just a newer Pat Rice.
This is the first time Wenger has had a massive budget to play with. All talk of his future should be assessed in January. If it's a sense of deja vu by then and we're struggling with the same problems, then we've run out of options for him. Where else is there to go?
I think that's all largely irrelevant. It's not Bould's responsibility to make sure players are signed; I don't think any player is signed based on the strength of who might be the assistant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dein-machine
Do you think Bergkamp's vision of how football is and should be played will be vastly different to Wenger's and in lieu of that where is the disagreement between the two going to come from? Like you say, Bould's ethos is mainly about defending which would surely make him likely to be less of a yes man than someone who shares Wenger's sentiments of attacking.