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05-10-2014, 03:59 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Steve French

Or we could play a ball he could run on to and use his pace against slower defenders.

As for Ozil - I don;t care if it is him, Wenger or a combination of the two - he has been utter garbage, the biggest disappointment signing I can remember.

We need to get rid - just the sight of him depresses me.

It's at that point. He's turning into our Veron/Torres. There gets to point where you have to cut ties. He hasn't got what it takes.
05-10-2014, 04:05 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

I have to wholly disagree with you mate.

Our two best performances this season have ironically coincided with Ozil in the middle.

What Wenger is unwilling to do is sacrifice players for the correct team balance and shape.

Play proper wingers on the wing, play aggressive ball winners in the middle and play your best creative player up top off the striker.

Having Carzola, Ozil, Wilshire, Ramsey, Arteta, Flamini all practically on the pitch at the same time is utterly pointless.

All you get is pointless passing, no runs into the box, and slow slow breaks.

This aint rocket science, but unfortunalty we have a uterlly clueless manager who rufuses to atcually take the time to balance his team.

Do you think we couldn't get the same from Cazorla playing in middle instead of shunted out wide or further back as a CM? His two best performances for us doesn't come close to what it's like when Santi is on form and that's the problem for me.

But I agree with a lot of what you've said. We've had the same problems in the past when he'd play Diaby or Eboue on the wings. He's even played Cesc and Denilson out wide just to try and fit all of his preferred players on the pitch.
05-10-2014, 04:05 PM
Xhaka Can’t

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

I have to wholly disagree with you mate.

Our two best performances this season have ironically coincided with Ozil in the middle.

What Wenger is unwilling to do is sacrifice players for the correct team balance and shape.

Play proper wingers on the wing, play aggressive ball winners in the middle and play your best creative player up top off the striker.

Having Carzola, Ozil, Wilshire, Ramsey, Arteta, Flamini all practically on the pitch at the same time is utterly pointless.

All you get is pointless passing, no runs into the box, and slow slow breaks.

This aint rocket science, but unfortunalty we have a uterlly clueless manager who rufuses to atcually take the time to balance his team.

Agree with you about the clusterfuck that is our midfield. But those Ozil performances you mentioned weren't anything out of the ordinary. Any semi competent midfielder could have pulled them off.
05-10-2014, 04:05 PM
Niall_Quinn

Wenger's gameplan

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/...li-d50ph9b.jpg
05-10-2014, 04:06 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It's at that point. He's turning into our Veron/Torres. There gets to point where you have to cut ties. He hasn't got what it takes.

Total nonsense. The bloke's a star player and world cup winner for the Germans. He was a great player for Madrid. Hasn't got what it takes? Utter bullshit.
05-10-2014, 04:07 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

3 more years of this shit.
05-10-2014, 04:09 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Total nonsense. The bloke's a star player and world cup winner for the Germans. He was a great player for Madrid. Hasn't got what it takes? Utter bullshit.

Then where are the performances to back that up, NQ? Where?

He's not setting the world on fire for the German's either and their fans have quickly turned on him.
05-10-2014, 04:09 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

3 more years of this shit.

Doubtful. Wenger will have to get with the program whether he likes it or not. Now the money is in there's no excuse for the results not arriving.
05-10-2014, 04:10 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Total nonsense. The bloke's a star player and world cup winner for the Germans. He was a great player for Madrid. Hasn't got what it takes? Utter bullshit.

Also, if the guy cost £4m instead of £40 odd, you'd be ripping into him like you do with the other non-performers.
05-10-2014, 04:10 PM
Globalgunner

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

3 more years of this shit.

You're making it sound worse than it really is. 2 1/2, by my calculations
05-10-2014, 04:13 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Then where are the performances to back that up, NQ? Where?

He's not setting the world on fire for the German's either and their fans have quickly turned on him.

No they haven't quickly turned on him - that was media bullshit.

He's put in plenty of decent performances, two in the last few weeks when played centrally. Plenty more before that but this media hype has stuck and now the myth is cited as fact.

But he hasn't had as much influence on games as he ought to have had, that's true enough. Being stuck wide hasn't helped. He's the ultimate luxury player, the guy who adds the icing to the cake if everything else is set up properly around him (like at Madrid).

But you;re claiming he's garbage and not up to it - plainly that's bullshit.
05-10-2014, 04:14 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Also, if the guy cost £4m instead of £40 odd, you'd be ripping into him like you do with the other non-performers.

How do you know that?
05-10-2014, 04:14 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Doubtful. Wenger will have to get with the program whether he likes it or not. Now the money is in there's no excuse for the results not arriving.

You really think they'll sack him? No chance
05-10-2014, 04:16 PM
Munchies

FUcking hate losing to these cunts

Fuck sake
05-10-2014, 04:18 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

You really think they'll sack him? No chance

No, he'll be quietly pushed if he can't move the team on any further - even with funds. Won't even be "by mutual consent", they'll allow him to walk with some grace I would think. He might not want to go but Arsenal are on the gravy train ride now, cash coming in from all angles. We'll have to have some sort of results on the pitch to keep the train on the rails.
05-10-2014, 04:18 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

How do you know that?

Because I've seen the amount you talk about Monreal and other lesser players without making excuses for them.
05-10-2014, 04:20 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Because I've seen the amount you talk about Monreal and other lesser players without making excuses for them.

What other players?

Monreal and Santos were the last two I've really laid into (ignoring Sanogo as he's not a player). Both are turds. I'll lay into any player who is a turd, regardless of fee.
05-10-2014, 04:22 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Because I've seen the amount you talk about Monreal and other lesser players without making excuses for them.

I'd have Monreal over Ozil any day. Ozil is on par with Denilson and Santos for me. Offers absolutely nothing and in many cases, he is a huge liability.
05-10-2014, 04:22 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

No they haven't quickly turned on him - that was media bullshit.

He's put in plenty of decent performances, two in the last few weeks when played centrally. Plenty more before that but this media hype has stuck and now the myth is cited as fact.

But he hasn't had as much influence on games as he ought to have had, that's true enough. Being stuck wide hasn't helped. He's the ultimate luxury player, the guy who adds the icing to the cake if everything else is set up properly around him (like at Madrid).

But you;re claiming he's garbage and not up to it - plainly that's bullshit.

Believe what you want on the German fan thing. I won't debate that.

Decent performances aren't great performances and let's not even get into performances against top opposition even when played in his best position.

Yes, am saying he's garbage because that's how he's playing. If he's up to the task, he'll prove me wrong. But how long does he need to get his act together?
05-10-2014, 04:23 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

What other players?

Monreal and Santos were the last two I've really laid into (ignoring Sanogo as he's not a player). Both are turds. I'll lay into any player who is a turd, regardless of fee.

Sure.
05-10-2014, 04:25 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

No they haven't quickly turned on him - that was media bullshit.

He's put in plenty of decent performances, two in the last few weeks when played centrally. Plenty more before that but this media hype has stuck and now the myth is cited as fact.

But he hasn't had as much influence on games as he ought to have had, that's true enough. Being stuck wide hasn't helped. He's the ultimate luxury player, the guy who adds the icing to the cake if everything else is set up properly around him (like at Madrid).

But you;re claiming he's garbage and not up to it - plainly that's bullshit.

He's got to take some responsibility, luxury player or not. He meanders through games, bottles every 50/50 and sometimes even loses out when the odds are in his favour.

I think you're overstating the games when he played more centrally, he was ok, nothing more. Cazorla is the one who looks more effective when given the opportunity to play centrally.
05-10-2014, 04:25 PM
Niall_Quinn

Okay, okay. Ozil is garbage.
05-10-2014, 04:26 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Sure.

Are you at least going to allow me to believe what I want?
05-10-2014, 04:27 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

No, he'll be quietly pushed if he can't move the team on any further - even with funds. Won't even be "by mutual consent", they'll allow him to walk with some grace I would think. He might not want to go but Arsenal are on the gravy train ride now, cash coming in from all angles. We'll have to have some sort of results on the pitch to keep the train on the rails.

No way mate, he'll be here as long as he wants cause Stan loves the fact he gets us top 4 without major investment.

The only way I can see him leaving is if we finish outside the top 4, and even then he might get another season to put it right.
05-10-2014, 04:27 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Are you at least going to allow me to believe what I want?

Sure. Believe what you want.
05-10-2014, 04:28 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I'd have Monreal over Ozil any day. Ozil is on par with Denilson and Santos for me. Offers absolutely nothing and in many cases, he is a huge liability.

You do spout a load of nonsense sometimes, fella.
05-10-2014, 04:31 PM
Globalgunner

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Are you at least going to allow me to believe what I want?

Government policy states otherwise.You believe what we tell you to believe
You shouldn't however still need convincing that Wenger is crap.
05-10-2014, 04:31 PM
gunnerrrrr

Someone tell me this is a wind up:

"Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger: "It was an even game, but at the end of the day they have financial power and used it in a effective way with players like Diego Costa and Eden Hazard making the difference."

Financial power??? Dont we have something like £170m sitting in the bank which we are paying tax on?

Whats finanical power got to do with utterly shocking tactics or the lack of....whats it got to do with only 2 wins in the premier league thus far...guy is officially crazy.
05-10-2014, 04:32 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

No way mate, he'll be here as long as he wants cause Stan loves the fact he gets us top 4 without major investment.

The only way I can see him leaving is if we finish outside the top 4, and even then he might get another season to put it right.

That was top 4 without big money. Doubt they'll be so happy with shelling cash for breakeven.
05-10-2014, 04:33 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Sure. Believe what you want.

It's for the best. Besides, it'll save you having to believe stuff on my behalf.
05-10-2014, 04:34 PM
Bumble

Wow that was predictable. Once the chavs scored first might well just end the game there. Suits there defensive sit back hoof ball football. Cech made one save and that was at the end.

Wenger has three years left. So we might as well just suck it up and expect the same next year.
05-10-2014, 04:35 PM
Niall_Quinn

Ashton proving he knows a bit about football (again)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...rformance.html

Cazorla 5.5 :haha:
05-10-2014, 04:39 PM
Marc Overmars

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

Someone tell me this is a wind up:

"Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger: "It was an even game, but at the end of the day they have financial power and used it in a effective way with players like Diego Costa and Eden Hazard making the difference."

Financial power??? Dont we have something like £170m sitting in the bank which we are paying tax on?

Whats finanical power got to do with utterly shocking tactics or the lack of....whats it got to do with only 2 wins in the premier league thus far...guy is officially crazy.

Hey, it was difficult for us out there being forced to play bargain basement players like Ozil and Sanchez. How can we compete with that?
05-10-2014, 04:40 PM
topgun

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

3 more years of this shit.

I've heard a lot of comments similar to this from a lot of fans recently and it amazes me that the feeling seems to be one of acceptance,surely its the responsibility of supporters to put pressure on the board and manager in these situations.
05-10-2014, 04:42 PM
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

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Originally Posted by topgun

I've heard a lot of comments similar to this from a lot of fans recently and it amazes me that the feeling seems to be one of acceptance,surely its the responsibility of supporters to put pressure on the board and manager in these situations.

At every other club he'd be gone but none of that works at our club mate, we have no voice.
05-10-2014, 04:44 PM
The Emirates Gallactico

Ridiculous comments by Wenger about the money.

The difference is that Chelsea have spent big on an area they needed to (Striker) whereas we spent big on a player who in honestly we weren't calling out for at the time (Ozil) whilst leaving big glaring holes in DM.
05-10-2014, 04:49 PM
Munchies

https://i.imgur.com/MdIFD0f.jpg
05-10-2014, 04:51 PM
Munchies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=JxcAzRaH5BQ

it's true
05-10-2014, 04:52 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's for the best. Besides, it'll save you having to believe stuff on my behalf.

It works both ways, NQ.
05-10-2014, 05:07 PM
fakeyank

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Originally Posted by Letters

You do spout a load of nonsense sometimes, fella.

:lol:

Just like Moyes in! :haha:

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