I've explained why elsewhere in the post. I'm not going to get into this discussion with you on this thread which has been mostly good debate.Quote:
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I've explained why elsewhere in the post. I'm not going to get into this discussion with you on this thread which has been mostly good debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I've not seen it, but if you're referring to what he did 10+ years ago, that goodwill ran out a long time ago, right now this club is a shadow of what it use to be thanks to him, I preferred the club before he arrived, we have a big new stadium yes, but that's a cash cow for the owners, other clubs will be able to do the same as us without even cutting back on spending thanks to TV money, so looks like his plan wasn't best implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I can agree with much of that, not the respect thing. I believe you have to earn respect (which he certainly did in the early years), and then you even get a period where you can ride on the respect generated. But not forever. He's made big mistakes and he continues to make them. And it's very difficult to have respect for a guy who absolutely insists he's right and won't hear the opinions of others, yet over an extended period he's been shown to be quite wrong time and time again. There's a shocking arrogance there that is very difficult to respect. A stubbornness that exceeds all bounds of reasonableness. He's not even close to being the manager he used to be and his time was up years ago. A smart man would have bowed out on a high and taken on another project. He would have been great in some organisation capacity, a senior figure at FIFA or UEFA, using those principles and beliefs and stubbornness to stick it to Blatter or Platini on a daily basis. He'd have been the ultimate weapon to use against those corrupt bastards. But instead he's made Arsenal his kingdom. It's all about Arsene Wenger, nothing else is a priority. His club, his money, his rules, his decisions. Fine if you are a Ferguson and delivering sack-loads of trophies on a regular basis. Obnoxious otherwise, and toxic. Poisoning every aspect of the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Yes it's true the club got a bit unlucky with the timing of events. But there's no such thing as forever in business. The environment changes and you survive by changing with it, adapting, taking advantage of the new terrain. You don't stand there shouting No, No, No and refusing to accept what has happened. You don't continue doing things in a manner that no longer suit the environment, not if you want to survive. Wenger is like a caveman suffering the coming ice age. Running around stark naked, offering up barbed comments to the advancing glaciers, telling all his caveman mates who are getting their extra furs together that all is well, it's warm, the shivering is voluntary and he likes it. To all around it's a pathetic sight. Embarrassing. Sad.
Embarrassing. Sad. Probably the best way to describe Wenger now.
I'm with you, I can agree with a lot of things there, but not the respect thing, I have no respect left for him, not with the wya he behaves, it's both embarrassing and incredibly stupid to behave that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Like you said he's made the whole club about Arsenal, shipping out anyone that wouldn't two the line, in many ways he's tried to make himself indispensable thus protecting his position, he decides everything and is involved in things no other manager is, he's even convinced fans that life without him will be too hard to face, so he's been clever in that sense.
The arrogance of the man though, he feels untouchable and basically things he can say and do whatever he wants, for me pound to pound the worst manager out there all things considered due to everything that comes with his tenure, should have moved on many years ago, he may have got a nice send off thanking him then, not now though, he's pushed it too far and been too obnoxious and arrogant about the he'll decide what does and doesn't happen.
I cannot fathom how he can still be respected despite his behaviour, like you said respect has to be earned, people slate Mourinho and yes he's in your face and says and does some awful and embarrassing things (but at least he backs it up by winning), but at least he's up front about it, this guy is just the same, no worse but in a much sneakier/underhand way that seems to fly right over some fans head.
Should have had a wage cap long ago.
Should have implemented financial fair play.
TV Money and dodgy billionaire overseas owners with little interest in the game itself have killed it. Give the clubs back to the fans to own or at least part-own to a good degree.
Do I think Wenger should have been replaced a while back, yes, but at least the recent FA cup wins certainly brought the smile back to us fans.
He has perhaps outstayed his welcome.... and his ability to miss out on the final piece of the jigsaw doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon.
He has perhaps lost a lot of respect 50% of fans once held for him, but no one can deny how he is still respected in the game by the other half of our fan base and the players.
Whether or not you respect him, doesn't really matter to be honest...what does matter is the game itself. Arsenal is not the only broken club. Liverpool fans protested well about the ticket prices and it's about time every fan base in the premierleague follows suit. There should be protests every game about the ticket prices that have priced us out of the game we love. Arsenal isn't broken. Football is.
I'm new to this forum and just finding out where people stand on certain issues. On another forum I was on years ago in the late noughties, other poster were saying Wenger should leave as he's dragging the club down. Well I was one of those who bought into the 'building a new stadium so we can compete' BS. Because now we can spend some money, apart form Ozil and Sanchez, we still don't. I think they were just token buys to keep the fans happy, because if they were serious about competing properly for the title, those two would have been added to.
Wenger was great when he first came, no doubt about it, but Abramovich's money took away everything that Wenger had built. As others have said, he didn't move with the times. It rankles him to pay big money for players. It rankles with everyone, but that is the market and it isn't going to change any time soon. I keep hoping the Premier League will eat itself up and go back to some semblance of what we perceive as 'normal', but it is getting worse, especially with the stupid money coming in from the TV rights. It's just a shame the fans don't benefit from all of that money by reduced ticket prices. All we do is line the pockets of the owners, the players and their agents.
I think it is time for Wenger to go. Do I respect him? I feel sorry for him more than anything, and angry when we take a beating because he has no nous of how to beat the big teams.
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Should have genuinely representative government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bergkampwonderland10
Should have equality under the law.
Should have fewer or no rights abuses against human beings and a removal of human rights from corporations.
Should have a value based monetary system.
Should have contractual obligations enforced under law in an equitable manner that shows consideration to all parties.
Should have so many things in the wider society before an industry within that society can hope to be reformed.
Like most corporate ventures, the company likes to enjoy all the rights and benefits afforded by the society and yet it won't meet its own obligations and is actually applauded for placing profit above all else. The shareholder is like a protected species with rights that are inviolable. The deep, deep sickness in society has found the exploit points in sport and latched on. Arsenal is certainly broken, corrupted by the whores to profit who know nothing or care nothing of sport. And yes, all clubs have gone or are going that way. But there's something particularly appalling about the way Arsenal goes about its business. The same tawdry motives but with the arrogance to suggest the club is a paragon in terms of how things should be managed and how the game should be played. What nonsense. We are the epitome of everything that has gone missing from the game over the years since Wenger led a team to an unbeaten season, playing joyous football in the process. Today, if you want to see the prefect example of what football should not be - look at Arsenal.
I'm never going to stop respecting him because he's provided me with possibly the happiest moments I'll ever have as an Arsenal fan, that will always be appreciated.
His head is completely buried in the sand though, it's quite sad seeing the level of resentment towards him now but you can't say it's undeserved. He is deluded if he thinks he can succeed without dipping in to the clubs considerable resources, not now our rivals are getting their houses in order.
Well, I agree. And this is why I've lost it with Wenger. I genuinely don't think many other managers in the world could have kept the ship so steady and kept us in the top 4 during the stadium move. We were possibly an Eduardo leg break away from winning the title in 2008 and I honestly think had the billionaires not stuck their beaks in Wenger's record would look far more impressive. But the shackles have come off now financially, we signed Ozil and then Sanchez, won a couple of trophies. All we need to do was keep that going, build momentum. Wenger has always been guilty of this, resting on his laurels when we needed to push on. And that's why I have come to the conclusion he should go. But come on, we did finish 2nd last year. Somewhat fortuitously but still, it's not a slow, sad decline a la Clough who ended up taking Forest down in the end. With our board I'm not convinced that changing manager is a silver bullet. At least Wenger cares how we do, he may not be able to do anything about it but our failings clearly hurt him. They don't hurt the board one bit, the money keeps rolling in and they couldn't give a monkeys. People like that and Sky are the real enemies of football as a sport.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Letters
This is so true and it doesn't seem to be abating.
I'm sure he cares but I don't think disappointment hurts him (or the squad for that matter) as much as it should. If he was really hurt then he wouldn't be so passive in the transfer market, that's not a question of him being able to do anything about it, it's a choice he makes because he wants to operate in a certain way, he won't allow anything to compromise that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I could never imagine Mourinho, Pep, Klopp and other top mangers being so passive after underachievement.
Totally agree, the season his team got spanked several times over he seemed to brush it off like it was nothing, when actually it was a humiliation, the debarcle on his 1000th game was an embarrassment for all involved, not convinced many managers would have survived as many beatings like that in one season, as usual though he just moved on, the players weren't even fired up to get revenge in our next meeting with those teams, sums him up really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Other managers would have been scathing about the performance and been ruthless with players, not him though, it's like it never happened. Before he arrived I can only really remember one bad beating, at the hands of Man U in the league cup and his first few years we barely ever lost, never mind by big margins, last 10 years though there's been too many spankings for a club of our stature.
Well, you can't quantify disappointment but I go back to Dein's interview where he described Wenger's mood after defeats. It clearly hurts him. Why he doesn't do more to change it...
Is it stubborn belief that the players are good enough? (Unlikely given that he keeps bidding for strikers)
Is it stubborn belief that prices are crazy and he doesn't want to get involved? (More likely but he did buy Ozil and Sanchez who weren't cheap, why not push the boat out for a top striker?)
Is it that he's looking longer term and doesn't want to put us in financial problems? (There has been some of that during the stadium move, again Dein's interview backs that up but that doesn't wash any more, we clearly have the money to spend big without putting ourselves in financial difficulty).
Who knows. We seem inept in the transfer market and Wenger clearly needs 'a Dein' to help with that side of things. But I don't buy it's that he's so content with top 4 that he doesn't care about doing better.
At the same time, Dein hasn't been with the club since 2007 and i don't think Wenger has the same drive and hatred of losing that he did. He has taken on far more responsibility since Dein left, and it's just possible that because he sees himself responsible for the day to day running of the club that he isn't so singled mindedly obsessed with winning any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It's there in the body language, the worst one was the Southampton game....he should have been livid with the players....as i honestly think that was the worst performance i've seen with him as manager, there have been bigger more humiliating defeats.....but this took the biscuit because the players simply just weren't trying at all....they didn't seem to care and if the players don't seem to care, who is encouraging them to care?
You say that and yet he always seems proud of his top 4 spot and never really looks too downbeat when he fails to win trophies, it's easy to say he cares, where's the evidence though, he has money if he really cared that much he'd spend it on players we clearly need, the fact he doesn't suggests he doesn't care enough, whatever his reasoning behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
What he says and what he does don't tally. You can say you are deeply disappointed finishing last in a race because you are a fat bastard and then you can go and eat a pile of pizza. What does your disappointment count for then, because you are the author of your own downfall? Wenger says it hurts to lose, and then he avoids doing what it takes to win. His words and his sentiments shouldn't be accepted as any form of compensation for his failure to translate those words into action. All talk, no trousers.
Wenger pre 2005 seemed to care about winning and losing, that was evident in his body language, that's gone for me, big defeats are like water off a ducks back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
:goodpost: Hollow words from a man all too accepting of defeats, he's a beaten man and he's lost so much now that defeat no longer hurts like it once use to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
He has excuses for each and every one of those hammerings and he takes none of the responsibility on himself. Yes, he'll say the responsibility stops with management. But if he believed that then he'd take the steps necessary to correct the problems. Instead he doggedly reinforces the problems. Again, his words are the opposite of his actions. Either he lies to himself and convinces himself, or else he's just dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
His 1000th match summed him up for me, a big game against a man he's never beaten who he's had a feud with, a lot to prove and this would have been the perfect match to put down a marker, what happens next, a powderpuff performance where we concede 6 goals and are absolutley humiliated by his (in football terms) arch enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
No manager with any ounce of pride would have accepted that like he did, he was utterly embarassed in that game and shown up for the incompetent manager he is.
And another good thread spoilt :rose:
Why because you say so? Noone else things it's spoiled.
You fail to recognise this threat is about whether we're a broken club, we are thanks to the management, discussions about him are very relevant.
As much as i hate to agree with Zim that game certainly didn't reflect well on him as a manager, it shows he lacks a sense of occasion and seems to prefer to go through the motions. I don't think the reason that Wenger has never beaten Mourinho is even that he is a tactical genius, i think in many respects he is equally one dimensional but he also has Wenger's number and that of his team, he gets his Chelsea players to needle ours, gets them to overcommit in attack and breaks, uses players that out muscle our defence, exploits our weaknesses at defensive set pieces.....he to put it plainly sets his team up with us in mind.
I don't believe Wenger is too stupid to see it, i just think because of the type of players he purchases and because of the way his team is set up he finds it hard to counter the effect.
He seems to be able to neutralise some styles of play but not others, for instance in March when we played Spurs we pretty much nullified their pressing game and i am confident if that Coquelin hadn't been a muppet and got himself sent off we would have gone on to win that game.
This is an excellent thread. I haven't got the time or perhaps the eloquence to post as others have here.
But what I have the time to say is regardless of whether or not Arsenal is a broken Club, it has broken me.
I hope that some time in the future things change. But now? I'm disgusted with this 'club', what it stands for and how it operates.
It clearly exists for one reason only. To generate as much money as it can for those who already have more than we can dream of. And it takes it from anyone it can, right down to the poor sod that has so little, he scrapes together what he can to attend a single match.
They do this while not giving back to us even the bare minimum with a huge pile of funds at its disposal. Money provided by us.
They promised us 'jam tomorrow' for over 10 years now, and we bought it. We invested our love in the club, our time and our money to help build a future where this Club could compete and prosper.
To repay that loyalty in the way the way they have, makes me sick.
In terms of my support for this Club, I'm broken.
I think we're all pretty close to that stage now. The fanbase has been split and it will can only get worse the longer this goes on. What sort of legacy will Wenger leave behind? It sounds crazy considering what's been built but this is a complete failure if it rips apart the foundations of the club. A pointless journey.
I have mixed feelings towards Wenger because of that. He's supposed to be a football man but when you hear some of things he says and think about the agenda behind it... it's rotten. I still can't get over how he said we needed to hike season ticket prices to remain competitive with our rivals. It also irked me last season when he said season ticket prices won't go down because the club needs all the money for transfers. It's utter rubbish. Whether it's revenue from the stadium or sponsorship money, he's not spending. Why? He serves the shareholders and looks after their interests more than he looks after the fans. He gave himself away during that AGM meeting some years back where he told the shareholders they shouldn't have anything to complain about because we were making a profit each year. Totally misjudged that one because the shareholders were Arsenal fans first and upset about the results. Is that how he thinks? If he looks after the club and keeps it running well he's done his job? He's supposed to be a football purist and that's what really sucks about the situation. He should be pushing the agenda for excellence on the field but he doesn't.
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Spot on.
I dont have mixed feelings about him anymore. I do not like him, and frankly I think I can safely say that I despise him. Why I despise him was outlined by you very well.. he sold out! If he tried and failed, I'd still root for him, but I think he is a crook and probably laughs at the fans while smoking a cigar at Kroenke's summer mansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Its been a slow burn for me. 10 years ago I was 25, single, living at home, but 10 years later im married, mortgaged up, etc. I thought that my life moving on meant that I had fallen out of love with the club, but its probably 80-20% the club letting me down. I was a silver member, used to go to 12-15 games a season with my dad (who had been going since the early 60s when he moved to London, and loved it. When the stadium was opened I was there for the first game, excited about this brave new world to come, one where we could compete for and with the best. I drew some solace that although we didnt always (ever) win trophies, we could claim the `most beautiful football` award, and at times it was awesome. But we went into a slide, the players were average, our best players left, season after season, and above all, the football became boring. Dad and I decided to give up the silver membership a few years back, and stopped going. It used to cost over £100 a game with tickets, trains from Essex, food and drink. It was OK when we played great football, but we always ended up coming home thinking `meh`.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw
We now seem to be trapped in some perfect storm of an owner that is stockpiling money, and a manager that seems to think he is paying out of his own pocket. I used to be so pissed off when they lost, now its so predictable it doesnt warrant me getting worked up about it. It really shouldnt be like that.
This is where we differ. I think he's trying and failing and while his damned stubbornness does grate I believe he's doing what he thinks is best for our long term future. I think Gary's post sums up how I feel very well.
Agree, and why I dont go along the wenger is a prick/idiot/twat. He clearly isnt, he is a very intelligent, but his stubborn streak seems to blinker him. He clearly doesnt want to fail, or the club to fail, but at the mo, it feels like it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It goes deeper than a stubborn streak. You have to look back on some of statements and ask yourself what's the agenda. Who is he serving? He's been manipulative and coy with some details. If it weren't for Gazidis, I think we'd know next to nothing about our financial state and I think he'd prefer things were kept that way.
Agree with this. Particularly the highlighted text. This is the dissimulation we are seeing. From where we are it seems clear that the manager is serving his own agenda, not that of the long term prospects of the club. We have become too accustomed to the idea that Wenger's approach and the best interests of the club are one and the same. They are not - and here's why: The health of a football club such as AFC remains principally dependent upon footballing success, not just balancing the books. And with every craven opening match performance; every indication of a lack of ambition - the reputation of the club; the self confidence of the players and the desirability of Arsenal as a destination for players takes another knock. In every sport, success is built on self belief and momentum. But we have not just lost momentum, we are going backwards. The fans know it; our own players must feel it, and potential transfer targets can clearly see better prospects elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I genuinely believe that our palpable lack of ambition is behind the increasing evidence of Arsenal's inability to land transfer targets. And Wenger's reactive stance, together with his vacillation in this regard is thretening to create a prefect storm.
Back to the dissimulation - it may be that Vardy's loyalty to Leicester was a factor in him not coming to us, but this abortive transfer move illustrates clearly the smoke and mirrors that we are seeing constantly from Arsenal and its manager. The saga was clear and obvious evidence that the club needs a striker - yet we are now told that this is not the case. Arseblog today summarises many incidences of similar contradictory statements from our manager. The fact that we are apparently being taken as fools is a testament to whose agenda we are following - and it is not one that has much to do with the health of the club as a football team.
As Arseblog says:
When you couple that with a manager who is untouchable and indulged on every football whim – particularly when it comes to spending money – you set yourself up to underachieve, and that’s what we saw yesterday. Stan Kroenke doesn’t care, Ivan Gazidis can do nothing to counter Arsene Wenger’s inherent conservatism in the transfer market, and the manager’s inability to address the very obvious needs of his team led directly to yesterday’s defeat.
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Thought I'd move the conversation here instead of clogging up the transfer talk.
Are we really broken? Came across this link below and have been thinking about how other clubs are run.
http://www.90min.com/posts/439604-tw...otball-history
I wouldn't say broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'd say fucked beyond repair. But then again, so it British football.
A rogues gallery indeed, and poor examples of football club management. But we are not talking about our club being poorly run. We are talking about the 5th or 6th biggest club on the planet sliding into relative mediocrity and sacrificing footballing success for corporate profit. And in a sense that is both unique and a betrayal of our proud traditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I've been thinking about this one over the past few days. I think we're unbalanced and focused too much on commercial stability as a club but I don't think it will always be this way. Is the structure of the club that bad? Is it full of unambitious people? I find that hard to believe. When I've heard Ivan speak, he sounds like he knows the concerns of the fans and isn't stupid. Silverware is what will grow the clubs revenue so even if that is the ultimate end goal for the club, they understand that they need titles to achieve that. Or Ivan does at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
I don't know what happend to him to make that statement this summer but maybe he's falling into line with Wenger's ethos. That sounded more like Wenger than Ivan and rather than resist, just go with the message and let the fans react. My theory is he threw Wenger right under the spotlight when we announced our new financial might and ambitions. The expectation from the fans was ramped up and I don't think Wenger liked that at all. Well, that's my theory.
For me, Wenger needs to be moved on and then we can really asses what's going on with this club. He has no drive or motivation to win so it's really hard to see what we're capable of.
It's a theory - but I think the problem is that Wenger is both illustrative and determinative of the culture that we now see at the club. In many ways his 'success' in maintaining us as a top 4 club while spending conservatively has given rise to this culture, but we must also remember that we have an 'owner' who is not only disinterested in success on the pitch, but has stated categorically that this is not what his 'investment' is about:Quote:
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Do you see an owner with this attitude backing a more ambitious manager who wants to spend the going rate to succeed?Quote:
If you want to win championships then you would never get involved.
IF we believe anything that has been said at our club in the past, our conservative, no risk approach was once a means to an end. Now it has become an end in itself. It is difficult to see what is going to happen to change that - because if another manager is likely to want to, or tries to change things, I cannot see the motivation at board level for supporting this.
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Originally Posted by IBK
I interpret that quote differently. I think that quote is misunderstood and taken out of context. I don’t think that quote is about why he invested in this club. It sounds to me like he’s saying an owner should never get involved with transfers or interfere with the managers work if you want to win titles. I’d like to see his who interview for this. But he goes on to say the best owners watch both sides and if you want the best players the business side has to be run correctly which makes sense.Quote:
"For me, being an individual owner, I have to have some sort of reality involved.
"If you want to win championships then you would never get involved. I think the best owners in sports are the guys that sort of watch both sides a bit. If you don't have a good business then you can't really afford to go out and get the best players unless you just want to rely on other sources of income.
"Over there [in the UK] it was sort of like 'well, we've got guys from the Middle East, the oil price is over $100, they can spend anything they want'.
"But the problem I saw with all of that; those people can lose interest. It doesn't mean that they will, but I sort of threw that out there: 'What happens when the Middle Eastern family, this thing's costing a lot of money and they decide to go home?' I said what really happens in those situations is the fans get hurt because the players get picked up and paid if they're good, the front office gets other jobs."
It goes back to past discussion about the type of owner we want. I think some of the worst owners are the ones pushing players on managers and getting too involved which undermines the managers decisions. In our case, Stan is too passive but reading that article, this is worth noting.
I don’t have a major problem with an owner that’s a bit hands off but I have a problem with him not pressing Wenger to perform. Maybe Stan feels he needs more time to get it right. For us fans, it’s been over decade and we want results now. For Stan and the rest of them, it’s only now they’ve been able to really support Wenger financially and go for bigger targets in the market. For years, Wenger has been going on about financial doping and having to work with restrictions. The focus was always on the Board to deliver the money so he can compete. Now it’s the other way round but we’re starting to see the same excuses. Since the new sponsorship deals, we seen 2 FA Cups and 2nd place. Maybe Stan is thinking we’re making progress. Lord knows how long it will take for him to recognise the managers flaws. I really worry Wenger will accept a new contract. We shall see.Quote:
His belief in the power of analytics motivated Arsenal's purchase of Chicago-based analytics company StatDNA for £2.2m in 2012.
"I was always interested in Moneyball," said Kroenke. "Billy Beane, one of his heroes happened to be our manager at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger. Arsene has an undergraduate degree in economics and has always had that analytical thing going on.
"When we acquired a controlling interest in Arsenal in 2011, after that we started pushing pretty hard because it seemed to me that there were some people who were a bit more advanced in that area and so we were fortunate in that we acquired StatDNA. They gave us a big lift in the soccer business."
Bringing StatDNA to Arsenal and noticing a weakness in the structure suggests that there is an interest there and he’s following on some level.
I think if we had a more ambitious manager, they’d make use of the budget they were given. Wenger isn’t doing that at the moment. I don’t think anything is being withheld from him otherwise questions would have been asked about Theo Walcott’s contract extension and the Xhaka transfer fee. As long as we spend what we make, I don’t think the owner will have too much of a problem. The resources and facilities are in place but the manager is stale and out of ideas. Wenger can’t deal with a huge influx of players, he thinks it’s too difficult to integrate them and that reflects in his transfer policy. After cocking up our title defence and conceding to Utd, he only signed Lehman for the Invincible season because he had faith in his team bouncing back. That’s how he’s always been. We need a fresh approach and I don’t think the structure is so broken that a manager like Klopp or even Simeone would struggle to deliver more than what Wenger is now. They have the motivation for success. The manager should have that motivation every season, every game. For an owner and a club in our position, we may be looking and measuring things over a 5 year plan, 10 years…etc. That makes sense for club in our position. But I have no idea how manager can get into that sort of mind frame. It’s not normal.