Even I didn't think this team could stoop to such low levels. Last night and the end of season has been nothing short of a "Car Crash".
I honestly don't know what else to say.
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Even I didn't think this team could stoop to such low levels. Last night and the end of season has been nothing short of a "Car Crash".
I honestly don't know what else to say.
Really? Have you not been watching over the last few years?Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The worst part of this defeat or about following Arsenal these days for me is the fact that I just dont care..
Wouldn't go as far as not caring tis just that knowing there is nothing we can do about we have to reply on the parasites that now run (used the term run loosely) the club. I think it's going to take a few years before we can even start thinking about the champions league again unless something drastic happens in the near future.
Everyone will be after him and Laca now - and if the club doesn't shiw greater ambition why should they stay?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Ultimately the club is the one in control of what happens next and if they tell them to stay, they stay. I’m not interested in defending the personal interests of players until they really earn that right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I think he should have another year....but I wouldn't be distraught if we parted ways with Mr Ebeeneezer Ebeening Emery.
Same. He’s inherited a right mess, no questions, so he should probably get another year... but he also hasn’t shown us much to suggest that there’s an elite coach in there either, yet.
Yes it would be churlish to dump him at this point, however you'd be hard pressed to find fans who genuinely believe from what we've seen this season, that he is the man to transform our team.
I think our style of play is worse than it was under Wenger, we concede too many chances and also don't create enough. Our conversion rate has been above average all season so we've managed to get by, however it isn't sustainable and we ran out of ideas too many times and it eventually cost us.
Emery should get this summer to make a few changes but a decision on his contract will need to be made next year and if we haven't qualified for the CL then it will be time to look elsewhere.
Well I have seen improvements in the team this season in the big games, quite big improvements. Don’t get me wrong, this team still has lots of problems, but our end of season performances were totally unacceptable. Emery needs to be questioned on it, he won’t be though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I think this is the problem with Emery, I can appreciate he had a rubbish squad to start off and didn't get anywhere near enough money so he gets a bye on that score, problem is I can't really see much of a positive change since Wenger left, he could at least get the team to work harder off the ball and maybe adjust our style to something more effective, instead he seems to be shifting between a back 5 and a back 4 all the time, is constantly chopping and changing and there's been some really odd Wengeresque team selections as well. The start of the season was odd as well, our inability to be in the lead for games for months.
On top of that we had the Suarez thing in January, a player he knew and yet he signed him and barely played him (was an odd signing in the 1st place). Then there's the collapse at the end of the season which he has to take responsibility for, it wasn't like we were playing the top clubs, a lot of those were smaller clubs we should beat, especially at home.
As I said haven't been impressed with his words since the final either, when you can beaten 4-1 you don't come out and praise the team, you recognise it was a poor performance, result and unacceptable to play at that level in a final.
There's definite question marks over this guy, Neymar walked all over him at PSG and it seems to me here the players are getting away with way too much, not convinced he's tough enough to handle the players, it shouldn't be hard to chase the ball like Klopp managed to introduce at Liverpool, that's the parallel here, Klopp maybe didn't get them to the top immediately, but the changes he made were very apparent and in 3-4 seasons every season his team developed.
Definitely another year and if we're not back in the CL, then it's time for a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
The way I look at is in 2017 we finished a point off the top four. Then we fell away from even challenging in Wenger's last year. Emery has got us back to within a point and now has to take the next step forward of getting us back into the top four. He's done it with mostly Wenger's squad and into the Europa final - one step further than Wenger managed. He won't have much to work with over the summer, but if he can get this current team only one win away from the CL (on two counts), then there are no excuses for not doing so with more of his own men in his squad. The first season buffer is over and it's all on him now to take the club forward.
yes to all of that - good postingQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
i think the team have got used to him now and see him as a pushover - he tried to assert his authority over Ozil but i think Ozil's basically won, playing when he wants and still on his big contract.
Emery's lineup against Palace costs us top four alone, plus there was the overly-caution approach over the Christmas period which definiely costus a few points here and there
Wenger didn't have Laca and Auba or Leno - Emery has had them and not done it - though he needs allowances due to the injuries to Bellerin and Holding which exposed our total lack of any depth in the squad - but his signing Suarez as the solution wasn't exactly encouraging...Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews
Didn’t Wenger buy Laca and Auba? The former has played much better this season than he did under Wenger. And while Leno looks promising, let’s not pretend he is a standout player in our team. He’s had his issues this year. The Suarez thing is minor. He was never hailed as ‘the solution’, only as backup. Emery will be judged on what he does during the summer in terms of recruitment - every manager brings in duff playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Its not just about recruitment, its also about how many of these useless players he gets rid of.
I presume Cech, Kos and Leichsteiner are out for certain.
Ramsey's gone which is a shame but I understand it.
He must get rid of Monreal, Mustafi, Ozil, Elneney and Jenkinson.
The loan players will return and he must see what he's got.
A new left back is a must.
My main concern is that we had plenty of reports and plenty of articles from people, before the season started, telling us how much of a tactician Emery is and how long he spends analysing every minute detail of every player and opposition he comes up against - and yet he fucks up the lineup and tactics in our most important final to date.
Ozil should never have started. 3 at the back and a 5 man midfield was never going to work against chavs 4-3-3. Iwobi and Willock should have started the game on the wings to give us some pace. The bold subs he made at half time during some games at the start of the season completely dried up and in the final he made them all too late.
Overall for someone who is so particular about every detail, I am astonished how badly he failed when it counted.
It's happened in the PL as well too many times as others have already said.
I think that's revisionism at its best.
No one considered using Willock as a starting player for the entire season. And Iwobi has been hammered for much of the season for his lack of contribution.
Emery had subs lined up at 2-0, which was too late, but then AMN thought it would've been a good idea to give them a third, which further delayed the subs. Granted, a sub should've been made a 1-0 as Ozil was not in the game at all, rather than waiting for us to go two behind.
But let's not pretend that Willock or Iwobi have ever been thought of as a solution for the team by any fan.
To be fair Iwobi was a legitimate option, mainly because Ozil is such a ghost in these games. You have to think a more direct option would have served us better.
Willock is definitely revisionism, he's played 6 or 7 games this season. :lol:
The player we missed most was Ramsey. Sadly.
On top of that AMN should never have still be on the pitch after 2 errors leading to 2 goals. Think Emery was too slow with the subs, we conceded not long after the 2nd half started and when Chelsea were dominating he should have made a chance, there's a lot parallels between Emery and Wenger, subs too late, defending the team after getting thrashed, sticking with players who are rubbish, bit worrying for me.
AMN should never been played as a full back ever again, the guy has shown he is incapapble of playing there, he's a midfielder play him there or sell him.
Chelsea though came out fired up in the 2nd half and outclassed us, question is why couldn't Emery get the same reaction from the players, we didn't get a shot on goal for a long time, despite a half decent half an hour in the 1st half.
You look at Emery and how we had that horrendous collapse in the league where we could barely pick up a point, how we struggled for so long in the 1st half of games in the 1st part of the season and how we could barely win away and have to question if he knows how to affect games and can get a reaction from his team, because the repetitive nature of some of these issues suggests he can't.
The subs bench highlighted how rubbish our squad is to be honest. ESM should have never gone on load however, he'd been decent when he'd been given a chance and given our squad he would have been an option, instead we got lumbered with Kim Källström mark II (Suarez) which again is Emerys' fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think for the first time in as long as I can remember, Arsenal fans are pretty much unanimous with their opinion on the state of the club. The squad needs gutting, it probably won't happen because it's not practical but it's definitely time to say goodbye to at least half of the squad.
I think it's time to blood youth, we clearly don't have a budget to rebuild and take the team to the next level. Emery is going to have to earn his corn and promote from within.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think the idea sounds good in principle but it wasn’t too long ago the kids were being savaged under Wenger. It would need a complete reset from the fans to deal with the frustration of relying on kids. Does our fan base (online at least) have that in them?Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
He was - but probably not as a starter. He’s barely started a game in recent months and I don’t think many fans had a case to argue he should’ve started more recently as he’s been poor. Then again, so was everyone else recently. What he did when he came on was a surprise to everyone - he even scored for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
But yes, Ramsey was the big miss in the game as he was key when we beat them earlier in the season. But his injury was symbolic of his whole career here to be honest
Allegri is available... as much as I want to give Emery one more season, we cant be behind the 8 ball when a top manager becomes available. We made that mistake when Klopp was available but we decided to stick with Le Dinosaur. I wouldnt sweat it if he gets another season, but like many posters have pointed, I dont see anything in Emery that suggests he is going to be the next Pochettino or Klopp.
I actually wouldn't mind us signing some younger players, not the dross Wenger use to sign all the time, nobodies from unknown clubs who'd never played a game, but youngsters like the guy we were after from PSG or young players who have played a bit and performed well and shown ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
The reason Wengers' youth policy never worked is because he continuously signed players who were 15-16 who had never shown they were up to the job and as we know when it comes to spotting talent he was way off, he missed out on all the decent kids and signed the duds.
We've got 1 or 2 decent young players ourselves, but not enough to build a team with, that 10 year youth team plan went totally pearshaped as well, it's years since we've produced anybody half decent, the likes of Chelsea and Man City sign up the best youngsters early and they seem to turn out pretty good so maybe we should follow their lead.
As much as Flopp up to now has been a loser, he's got a lot more to show for himself than Poncetino, who frankly is living off some players which as far as i know he didn't sign, who happen to have some good cohesion in some games but when it counts so far (and we all pray beyond tomorrow) have won jack shit and actually thrown away good positiona.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
He's just lucky people like K**t and Dire don't have the imagination to go abroad and actually learn something
If Pep hadn't been stupid enough to overcommit the first team spuds wouldn't even have been there tomorrow.
Ponce is a fake and while on one level i'd like him to leave spuds, on another i hope he stays and continues to lead them to failure
I think he is an overrated tosser tbh
They’re in the CL final having not signed a player for 2 years and have half the wage bill of most clubs they’re competing with.
Tosser I guess. Overrated, I’m not sure.
Sarri is leaving Chelsea. :rolleyes:
You agree then that it wasn't down to his signings, i think their presence in the final is similar to Leicester in the PL when they won it (though hopefully it won't take them that far) there's been a lot of underperforming and big teams cancelling each other out this year in the CLQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Or it's like Ingerspuds fluking their way to the semis in the WC (an appropriate acronym given spuds' stadium)
Let's just hope Flopp gets it right for once, and we have to hope the officials have a good game and don't let spuds get away with murder like they normally do
As much as I hate everything to do with Spurs that is one of most daft analysis of their improvement I’ve seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
That’s brilliant and can’t blame him really. Especially with Juve calling. They must see something in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I think after the game he dedicated the win to Napoli fans :lol:
And given their history that’s the best way to deal with Chelsea. Win something then fuck off before the knives are drawn.
There’s every chance Allegri will take his place now - although the transfer ban could mess that up. If Chavs fans hated Sarriball, they’re not gonna love what he has to offer.
I don’t think it’s quite the freak occurrence like Leicester winning the league was but I get your point. So if it can’t be down to his signings what is it then? Maybe that he is a good coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I hope Liverpool tear them apart but Spurs are a good side and frankly right now as Arsenal fan I’m in no mood to pass judgment on clubs with far more going for them than us.
They also had arguably more players at the World Cup who played late into the competition than the rest of us - a lot of us thought they’d hit a wall in the new year, but they’ve managed to hold it together and keep going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Pains me to say it, but there’s a lot to admire about what they’re doing right now.
The noises are starting to sound a little more positive there - Saliba and Claude Maurice would cost respectable sums, but both look like they have big futures ahead of them, and it sounds like Edu is keen to immediately bring in that Martinelli kid, if he joins as TD (although I suspect that one might spend a year with the u23s) - hope he has a few more up his sleeve from South America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Internally, players like Nelson, Willock, Smith Rowe and Nketiah look ready to be in and around the first team squad. Saka and Amaechi also look promising.
Emi Martinez has had a good season at Reading - that sounds like an easy win in goal.
And, as previously mentioned, I’d give Bielik a chance to impress. Maybe Chambers too in CM (although would depend on whether any offers we receive for him, and any subsequent midfielders we invest in work out better or worse than keeping him).
Not really sure we have too much else coming through in terms of CMs, LBs and RBs though, so we might be forced to invest there?
Obviously I’m not expecting all of the above to happen or work out, but there’s options there - anywhere we can save ourselves a buck, we should.
And Emery sold them the guy that kept them in it!
I’ve also heard talk that Ljungberg might be replacing Bouldy next season - given that he’s the current coach of the u23s, maybe that’s a hint about the direction we might be taking?
Pochettino is a superb coach.
An 'improvement' that saw them finish only just above what we all agree is an Arsenal side needing a lot of work, and below an out-of-sorts Chelsea side with an under-fire manager...?Quote:
Originally Posted by SMatthews