Europa League Final Autopsy

[Özim]

I think this is the problem with Emery, I can appreciate he had a rubbish squad to start off and didn't get anywhere near enough money so he gets a bye on that score, problem is I can't really see much of a positive change since Wenger left, he could at least get the team to work harder off the ball and maybe adjust our style to something more effective, instead he seems to be shifting between a back 5 and a back 4 all the time, is constantly chopping and changing and there's been some really odd Wengeresque team selections as well. The start of the season was odd as well, our inability to be in the lead for games for months.

On top of that we had the Suarez thing in January, a player he knew and yet he signed him and barely played him (was an odd signing in the 1st place). Then there's the collapse at the end of the season which he has to take responsibility for, it wasn't like we were playing the top clubs, a lot of those were smaller clubs we should beat, especially at home.

As I said haven't been impressed with his words since the final either, when you can beaten 4-1 you don't come out and praise the team, you recognise it was a poor performance, result and unacceptable to play at that level in a final.

There's definite question marks over this guy, Neymar walked all over him at PSG and it seems to me here the players are getting away with way too much, not convinced he's tough enough to handle the players, it shouldn't be hard to chase the ball like Klopp managed to introduce at Liverpool, that's the parallel here, Klopp maybe didn't get them to the top immediately, but the changes he made were very apparent and in 3-4 seasons every season his team developed.

[SMatthews]

Yes it would be churlish to dump him at this point, however you'd be hard pressed to find fans who genuinely believe from what we've seen this season, that he is the man to transform our team.

I think our style of play is worse than it was under Wenger, we concede too many chances and also don't create enough. Our conversion rate has been above average all season so we've managed to get by, however it isn't sustainable and we ran out of ideas too many times and it eventually cost us.

Emery should get this summer to make a few changes but a decision on his contract will need to be made next year and if we haven't qualified for the CL then it will be time to look elsewhere.

Definitely another year and if we're not back in the CL, then it's time for a change.

The way I look at is in 2017 we finished a point off the top four. Then we fell away from even challenging in Wenger's last year. Emery has got us back to within a point and now has to take the next step forward of getting us back into the top four. He's done it with mostly Wenger's squad and into the Europa final - one step further than Wenger managed. He won't have much to work with over the summer, but if he can get this current team only one win away from the CL (on two counts), then there are no excuses for not doing so with more of his own men in his squad. The first season buffer is over and it's all on him now to take the club forward.

[Mac76]

I think this is the problem with Emery, I can appreciate he had a rubbish squad to start off and didn't get anywhere near enough money so he gets a bye on that score, problem is I can't really see much of a positive change since Wenger left, he could at least get the team to work harder off the ball and maybe adjust our style to something more effective, instead he seems to be shifting between a back 5 and a back 4 all the time, is constantly chopping and changing and there's been some really odd Wengeresque team selections as well. The start of the season was odd as well, our inability to be in the lead for games for months.

On top of that we had the Suarez thing in January, a player he knew and yet he signed him and barely played him (was an odd signing in the 1st place). Then there's the collapse at the end of the season which he has to take responsibility for, it wasn't like we were playing the top clubs, a lot of those were smaller clubs we should beat, especially at home.

As I said haven't been impressed with his words since the final either, when you can beaten 4-1 you don't come out and praise the team, you recognise it was a poor performance, result and unacceptable to play at that level in a final.

There's definite question marks over this guy, Neymar walked all over him at PSG and it seems to me here the players are getting away with way too much, not convinced he's tough enough to handle the players, it shouldn't be hard to chase the ball like Klopp managed to introduce at Liverpool, that's the parallel here, Klopp maybe didn't get them to the top immediately, but the changes he made were very apparent and in 3-4 seasons every season his team developed.

yes to all of that - good posting

i think the team have got used to him now and see him as a pushover - he tried to assert his authority over Ozil but i think Ozil's basically won, playing when he wants and still on his big contract.

Emery's lineup against Palace costs us top four alone, plus there was the overly-caution approach over the Christmas period which definiely costus a few points here and there

[Mac76]

Definitely another year and if we're not back in the CL, then it's time for a change.

The way I look at is in 2017 we finished a point off the top four. Then we fell away from even challenging in Wenger's last year. Emery has got us back to within a point and now has to take the next step forward of getting us back into the top four. He's done it with mostly Wenger's squad and into the Europa final - one step further than Wenger managed. He won't have much to work with over the summer, but if he can get this current team only one win away from the CL (on two counts), then there are no excuses for not doing so with more of his own men in his squad. The first season buffer is over and it's all on him now to take the club forward.

Wenger didn't have Laca and Auba or Leno - Emery has had them and not done it - though he needs allowances due to the injuries to Bellerin and Holding which exposed our total lack of any depth in the squad - but his signing Suarez as the solution wasn't exactly encouraging...

[SMatthews]

Wenger didn't have Laca and Auba or Leno - Emery has had them and not done it - though he needs allowances due to the injuries to Bellerin and Holding which exposed our total lack of any depth in the squad - but his signing Suarez as the solution wasn't exactly encouraging...

Didn’t Wenger buy Laca and Auba? The former has played much better this season than he did under Wenger. And while Leno looks promising, let’s not pretend he is a standout player in our team. He’s had his issues this year. The Suarez thing is minor. He was never hailed as ‘the solution’, only as backup. Emery will be judged on what he does during the summer in terms of recruitment - every manager brings in duff players

[dostoy]

Its not just about recruitment, its also about how many of these useless players he gets rid of.

I presume Cech, Kos and Leichsteiner are out for certain.

Ramsey's gone which is a shame but I understand it.

He must get rid of Monreal, Mustafi, Ozil, Elneney and Jenkinson.

The loan players will return and he must see what he's got.

A new left back is a must.

[KSE Comedy Club]

My main concern is that we had plenty of reports and plenty of articles from people, before the season started, telling us how much of a tactician Emery is and how long he spends analysing every minute detail of every player and opposition he comes up against - and yet he fucks up the lineup and tactics in our most important final to date.

Ozil should never have started. 3 at the back and a 5 man midfield was never going to work against chavs 4-3-3. Iwobi and Willock should have started the game on the wings to give us some pace. The bold subs he made at half time during some games at the start of the season completely dried up and in the final he made them all too late.

Overall for someone who is so particular about every detail, I am astonished how badly he failed when it counted.

It's happened in the PL as well too many times as others have already said.

[SMatthews]

I think that's revisionism at its best.

No one considered using Willock as a starting player for the entire season. And Iwobi has been hammered for much of the season for his lack of contribution.

Emery had subs lined up at 2-0, which was too late, but then AMN thought it would've been a good idea to give them a third, which further delayed the subs. Granted, a sub should've been made a 1-0 as Ozil was not in the game at all, rather than waiting for us to go two behind.

But let's not pretend that Willock or Iwobi have ever been thought of as a solution for the team by any fan.

[Marc Overmars]

To be fair Iwobi was a legitimate option, mainly because Ozil is such a ghost in these games. You have to think a more direct option would have served us better.

Willock is definitely revisionism, he's played 6 or 7 games this season.

The player we missed most was Ramsey. Sadly.

[Özim]

On top of that AMN should never have still be on the pitch after 2 errors leading to 2 goals. Think Emery was too slow with the subs, we conceded not long after the 2nd half started and when Chelsea were dominating he should have made a chance, there's a lot parallels between Emery and Wenger, subs too late, defending the team after getting thrashed, sticking with players who are rubbish, bit worrying for me.

AMN should never been played as a full back ever again, the guy has shown he is incapapble of playing there, he's a midfielder play him there or sell him.

Chelsea though came out fired up in the 2nd half and outclassed us, question is why couldn't Emery get the same reaction from the players, we didn't get a shot on goal for a long time, despite a half decent half an hour in the 1st half.

You look at Emery and how we had that horrendous collapse in the league where we could barely pick up a point, how we struggled for so long in the 1st half of games in the 1st part of the season and how we could barely win away and have to question if he knows how to affect games and can get a reaction from his team, because the repetitive nature of some of these issues suggests he can't.